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time. and this broke this morning. this broke, what, an hour ago? and i thought it was very important that you be informed about it because it is like the visual search. we are dealing with identification of whether an acoustic event has anything to do with the downing of the aircraft. does it represent that the aircraft went into the sea at this location or not? and it's the same with the way we prosecute the visual search. the visual search is ongoing. ships are going to have a look at the white objects that were found in the sea yesterday. and they will be looked at closely and, again, this object, could that have been aboard mh-370? or is it something else? and we've done that ten ucontiny
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over the last 30 days with all the visual objects that have been -- one at a -- can i just -- >> reporter: i just wanted to know -- [ inaudible ]. >> so -- >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> well, that's the point. that's what we're investigating. what we are trying to do is establish whether there is -- we have an acoustic event, we have a transmission that has been received by "haixun 01." the job now is to determine what is the significance of that event. does it confirm or deny the presence of the aircraft locator on the bottom of the ocean. that's what we're doing.
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sorry? yup. yes. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. what other possible sources could there be? >> again, what we've got here are fleeting -- fleeting acoustic events. the one night before last lasted just a very short period of time. the one yesterday afternoon, i think it was 15:47 in the afternoon was for 90 seconds. that's all we've got. it's not a continuous transmission. if you get close to the device, we should be receiving it for a longer period of time than just a fleeting encounter, but we've got a transmission, we must investigate it and that's the way we work.
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>> reporter: one more thing. you were talking about satellites earlier. >> yup. >> reporter: does that satellite discrepancy talk about going back to the southern ocean, just to the original area or in the area of the -- >> no, the search area doesn't change at all, but what we get out of the data, the satellite -- this is the inmarsat satellite. the characteristics of that were such that on reanalyzing the data that has been on attend, some other conclusions have come up, which slightly change the possible profile of the airplane. and they're based on the fact that there might be a slight
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difference in the air speed that has been calculated. and we're talking perhaps the aircraft went a little bit faster than had originally been calculated on the basis of analyzes the satellite data. >> reporter: so it would be further north? >> it would be a little bit further south, and that's why we are going into the southern part of the area rather than the northern part. the search area doesn't change. so it's not a big change, not the sort of changes we had early in the operation, but the area of highest probability we think is now probably in the southern part of the area, pretty close to where "haixun 01" is operating. and that's why we're so very interested in the two acoustic
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encounters that "haixun 01" has had. >> is "haixun 01" specifically in the area that they tasked or in its own area unilaterally? and secondly, was australia aware of this on friday and today and are you disappointed that it was made public before you know? >> look, where we've ended up, i believe these -- you know, on a search like this with journalists traveling on ships, airplanes, information will come out that basically has to be responded to. i guess that's what happened in these circumstances. i accept the reality of that. in terms of where "haixun 01" is operating, it is operating in a
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location that is central to our interests at the moment. okay? it's in the search area we are prosecuting right now. one more question. >> reporter: you can now confirm the frequency of the signal detected by the -- it's not -- >> look, i -- we found out one hour ago that "ocean shield" had found something. we do not have any detail on the encounter at this stage. we just know that there has been an acoustic detection by "ocean shield," which has highly sophisticated equipment and the word i have got is it's something that needs to be investigated. so until the investigation is complete -- well, is under way
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and complete, i'm not prepared to speculate on what it might be or what it might not be. it's very important that as we go through these leads, we avoid speculation. that's what i ask all of you to do because we have the best expertise in the world out there, the best equipment in the world out there and we need the experts to do their job and when they have finished their job, we will come back and tell you what the outcome was, okay? and i've undertaken to do that. one at a time. one at a time. >> reporter: is it going to be deployed by "ocean shield" today? >> i don't know. the one thing that we do in terms of something like this, i'm coordinating all of the activities, all of the activities. but the rescue coordination
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center, which is part of the australian maritime safety authority, is controlling the search. now, the worst this evening tha happen is if i reach in and say do this, do that. we have very professional, very highly qualified, expert people running the search. they need to be left to do that. weep also have under the command of commodore levy an international force of vessels that are well equipped to go out there and do the search. very professional people from all of the nations involved and they're doing a great job. we just have to be realistic to realize that this is a dynamic environment, and particularly when we go underwater, things are going to take time. and that's just a reality of the environment that we're dealing
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with. one last question. over here. this lady hasn't had a question. >> reporter: yesterday it appeared that when the events were detected, at that time the chinese ship was out of the focus primary search area. >> it was on the edge, yes. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> well, which one? the first one? well, i would have to take that on notice because we're going back a fair way. but we became aware of it fairly quickly because essentially there was a journalist aboard and we heard about it. now, almost at the same time i was informed by the chinese
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government that they had found something. so these things happened more or less at the same time and then the one that we are reporting today, the second one, we were formally informed about that quite some time ago. so that was -- that came through in absolutely the normal way and i'm completely comfortable with that. we have been working very closely with all of the governments and forces involved to basically get the best coordination and consultation going that we can, and i spent quite a bit of time with our chinese friends working on the best way to consult because clearly language is sometimes an issue. and we're actually going to
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perhaps enhance the number of liaison people up in the coordination center, and we will be getting a chinese liaison officer into our center to assist with the coordination of the search and making sure that nothing falls through the cracks. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> china's sharing everything that's relevant to this search. everything. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. on friday has it not since been agreed upon after this discovery? >> where was it? >> perhaps the next -- we'll be having another press conference, probably the next couple of days. i'll come back to you on that. >> reporter: appreciate it. it's a really critical question
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today. >> yeah, but let me just say, though, china has seven ships out there. that's by far the largest fleet of ships out there. they're out there looking for this aircraft and at the moment the most promising lead appears to be the one associated with "haixun 01." i think we should be focusing on the positives and not start saying, well, are they doing this or are they doing that? i'm very satisfied with the consultation, the coordination that we are building with our chinese friends. i spent two hours last night with the chinese ambassador, and we worked out the best way to effect that coordination and consultation for my responsibilities, and i'm very, very happy about that.
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so we need to concentrate on that, not on, well, was it here or was it there? one more question and then i'm going. >> reporter: the chinese vessel received the three signals without finding any debris. does it suggest that the plane went into the water in a whole piece? >> look, again, we're speculating. we can't speculate. we've got to work on reality and at this stage we have no idea how the aircraft went into the water. did it go in -- glide into the water? did it go in vertically? we don't know. that's something that we shouldn't speculate about at this time. thank you very much. i'll be back with you in the not too distant future. and, please, come next time. thank you.
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>> all right. that is the man in charge of this multi-national search, angus houston, giving us possibly the most information we have had about this missing flight so far from any organization, from any individual. we're going to stay on the air until we get through this with our investigators and experts and analysts here. he said the investigation team has been informed of a new satellite correction which raises the importance of the southern part of the search area. that's according to angus houston, meaning the southern track. instead of when they moved it a little bit further north on the southern track, they're going to go back down now to maybe a little bit further south. also he is saying the "haixun 01," that ping that was detected, he is confirming from the chinese ship "haixun 01" saying that day before yesterday they heard a frequency on the frequency a ping. and then it went away, very
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short ping. and then a day after they heard it again for about 90 seconds. also the new information that we're getting is that the "ocean shield" when it first got out to the search area also picked up a ping in the early days but it was never reported. and he said, addressing why this one from the chinese ship got ahead of them, he said there was a reporter on board the ship and he is aware of those challenges when you're dealing with the media. a reporter was out there from the chinese news agency and reported it before he had a chance to confirm it. so let's bring in my panel of experts here. les abend is a pilot and pilot. mike kay is an analyst and richard quest and do we have mary schiavo?
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let's go to richard quest. i would venture to say this is the most information we have gotten. >> absolutely. the words to take away from what the air commodore said, he described the chinese pings as important and encouraging. he said they are -- it is the most important lead, the most promising lead that they've had so far. and more than that, because of the reengineering of the satellite data to the lower part of the southern corridor, that puts it exactly roughly where the chinese pings were heard. in other words, you have these pings, you have the satellite data and the two seem to converge in the same place. >> richard quest, richard, i want to ask you because there's some confusion here. the way i heard it is he's saying he got the information 90 seconds before the press
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conference -- 90 minutes, excuse me, before the press conference about the "ocean shield" getting the ping. the way i understood it is it picked up the ping in the early days but he's just getting the information. >> no, i think he was talking about the pings on the chinese vessel. i think he was talking about the chinese vessel. but in terms of the ocean seas, i think he was just saying he got it now. but i didn't interpret him as saying he got it sooner than that but i might have misheard as well. my interpretation is he just heard about it now and it had only just happened recently. >> he said it still can't be verified but this is the most information they've gotten, he said this is an important and urgent lead butch he also urged caution as well, it's a very big ocean, a very big search area. >> his words were we must treat this carefully, it's important
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and encouraging. and then he described what ocean shield has heard as a crucial event. that's why "hms echo" is on the way. "ocean shield" will stay that to investigate the event. so an enormous amount of information coming out. some promising leads both from "ocean shield" and from the chinese. i think, don, the important this evening -- thing of what he said is time and again we will investigate every event. we've got a transmission, we must investigate it. >> michael kay, he said hearing this for 90 seconds or a minute or what have you, you still must investigate it. but one would think if it is indeed the data recorders, you
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would hear it for a longer period of time. >> absolutely, don. i think this was a calm, measured and supremely effective response by air chief marshall houston. in his press conference, he hit a number of critical points and i'm looking toward the families and loved ones at this point. number one, he confirmed the ping from the chinese news agency wasn't verified. i think that's very important just to reduce everyone's expectations. he then said he was actually talking to the rcc in china, the rescue coordination center in china. that's very important because we've been talking about establishing that communication with china, in bringing in that information. he then said and i think it was aimed towards the families, that all credible leads will be followed up. that reassures the families they're not going to gloss over this. and the importance of this came through when he said he was going to redeploy those assets. i think that's what he's doing. that to me place as real
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importance of just how significant this ping is. >> rob, what should we read into the new satellite information? >> you know, i was very encouraged to hear him talk about the fact that they have reinforced their confidence in the search area overall and now they're honing into different areas within that. and within that again now we have this one and possibly two acoustic leads, underwater leads. so overall a very promising picture. although there lab lot of ships and a lot of aircraft out there tomorrow working over the area overall, what's so seductive about the acoustics is that of course if it is a genuine positive return from a pinger, there is the absolute jackpot. >> rob, are you done? i'm sorry, someone was talking
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to me. are you done? >> yes, i am. >> let's go to matthew in perth where this press conference was held at the air base. give us a reaction from there. >> just to clarify some of those points you were discussing earlier. there were three acoustic events as cried bit air chief marshall houston. two of them the chinese vessel in that area, one of them 36 hours ago, another one 24 hours later. that was the 90 seconds of regular pinging that we've been reporting on for so long over the course of this day. the third acoustic vaevent is t one currently being investigated by the "ocean shield." that's what's delaying the redeployment of the "ocean shield" to the areas where the chinese pings were detected.
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and "hms echo" can monitor the subsurface areas and look for objects under the water, that will take 14 hours, he said, from this point now to reach that area where the chinese detected those pings. so we've seen a sort of quite major redeployment of resources as a result of this information that's come out from the chinese, including the two most high-tech ships, the "ocean shield" and "hms echo" and the chinese aircraft, presumably because they can get there faster than the ships to try to investigate these crucial events the chinese have detected. not confirmation at all that this is where the lost aircraft is but obviously a big step towards narrowing the search zone potentially. >> the information we've got is the information we've got. that's what we heard at the last press conference.
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and now? >> that was my recollection, exactly what you said. what's interesting is they found a different disposition to the satellite that refines the area more and now it's even better. the interesting thing is it's closer to where the chinese vessel -- >> the most information we have gotten from investigators from the search of missing flight mh-370. also, they're moving assets in the area where they have found acoustic pings and readjusting the area because of new satellite information. more details after this break. new york is ranked #2 in the nation for new private sector job creation. and now it's even better because they've introduced startup new york - dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years.
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we're back now live on cnn with our breaking news. i'm don lemon. three acoustic events have been
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picked up by search teams on the indian ocean. angus houston in perth, australia holding a press congress moment ago and also saying they were able to update or reconfigure the information to locate the missing plane. alan, is this promising to you? this is the most information we've gotten in this search. >> yes, it is. we have to be a little careful about this now. we should know in 14 or 18 hours after the echo gets on scene. >> can you talk to me about this, especially as an accident investigator, i asked about the
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saturday light information and nobody's given me a clear answer on that. "the investigation team has been informed of new satellite connection which -- hang on, he said air and search areas will be adjusted because of that." go ahead, alan. >> i was going to say, don, to me it sounds like they went back and double-checked, they have a lot of time to do this now and discovered that maybe the speed estimates might have been a little bit off and that changes the path and how far the aircraft might have gone. it all kind of points to that area where the chinese vessel is located. at least in that general area. so that is encouraging that these two independent sources sources seem to be pointing -- no one's saying x marks the spot yet but it just may turn out that way. >> we have been watching the
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weather closely. that has had a huge effect on these search operations over the past month, approximately in the area in australia, the southern indian ocean. matthew chance, the weather seems to be holding up and getting these ships turned and, especially in the "ocean shield" is going to be turning around in the direction of the pings or if it is going to stay where it is, where it reportedly picked up a ping as well. >> reporter: yeah, i mean, it seems that the weather conditions are fair enough, it's not really terrible. it's not really inhibiting the ships and planes from carrying out some search at least. first of all, they're going to be flying australian royal air force planes across the area, they can get there quickly and try and monitor any acoustic
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activity. to get the ships it takes much longer. it's going to be at least 14 hours from when that press conference was held to when the "hms echo" will get there and longer for the "ocean shield." >> it's the bottom of the hour and i have to reset for our viewers. >> in the southern indian ocean now, more pings, more pulses and possibly more clues from deep beneath the surface as to the location of the malaysia flight 370. a chinese ship reported hearing something this weekend. what is that something? nobody knows yet. but the search commanders intend to find out. i want you to listen to angus houston. this convinced him to take this
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seriously. >> this morning we were contacted by chinese authorities and advised that "haixun 01" had late yesterday redetected the signals to 90 seconds within just 2 kilometers of the original detection. >> this is what's heading to the place where the chinese ship heard those pings, the "ocean shield" with a very high tech navy detection device on board. headed to the area maybe. it's going to stay in the area where it is now because it, too, picked up a pink in its search location. one it investigates that, then it will possibly move to the new area where the chinese picked up two pings. also moving that way, the british navy ship "hms echo." that ship is about half a day away. officials stopped short of saying they were optimistic
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about these leads -- well, i think they said they were optimistic. angus houston said this is an important and urgent lead and we have to be careful with it. i think that's optimism. he did call these events an important and encouraging lead. the families of the 239 people on board that plane, well, they are still in anguish. i want to go now to kuala lumpur and pac to nic robertson. nic, something unusual happened this weekend. this new information was given. they also let the recordings from the tower to the cockpit, they let people hear them but it wasn't the family members. >> reporter: no, it wasn't. it was the friends and colleagues of the first officer and the captain on board the aircraft allowed to hear the recordings because who gave that final communication? was it the co-captain or the
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captain? not sure why they didn't let family members hear it. of course they may realize it could distress the family members further, realizing the relevance and the role that their loved one played in all of this. so that may have been a concern. also hearing concern from angus houston there in his press conference about the families of the passengers on board the aircraft and indeed of the crew on board as well saying that we should be cautious about getting too far ahead of the information here, saying that it is possible to cause distress for those families and he wanted to avoid that but also saying, and this will bring heart to the families, that they will continue to track down any piece of information. there was a sense there as well as from him, although he said he was comfortable with the fact
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that there were journalists on board the "haixun 01" that revealed the information a little ahead of him, he was comfortable with that fact. he was very diplomatic. he also said he met with the chinese ambassador yesterday for two hours and said i'm comfortable with the cooperation that we are building, that we are building with the chinese. he also went on to say an additional chinese liaison officer may be deployed to the australian control center for the search going on. there is a sense that he by sort of corral and contai-- corralli coordinating extraneous information coming from journalists aboard the ship, so when the information is received, it is coordinated, checked, verified, then it is
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released. he seems to be going to great lengths to do that, don. >> nic, thank you. we're going to get to perth when we come back. paula newton inside that press conference. she'll tell you what she heard coming up. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. ready to plan for your future? we'll help you get there.
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to that particular location. >> angus houston, the man in charge of the search in perth, australia, holding a press conference a short time ago talking about three acoustic events. to different ships picked up in the southern indian ocean and informing the media about reconfigured satellite information that's putting them into a more refined area, part of the search area they already have. paula newton was inside that press conference. many times on television you can't see the demeanor of the people holding press conferences. was there something different about their demeanor? was it optimistic or positive? >> reporter: definitely a new level of energy. i've been to a handful of meetings throughout the week, this was different. as much as chief houston wants to be cautious, he doesn't want to get the families' hopes up,
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they have signals and they have things to investigate. even more so, they were quite excited about "ocean shield" picking up that last acoustic signal just in the last hour or so. this has moved this investigation into a whole new arena. for days we've been talking about finding debris. while that would have been good, this is much more optimistic, the fact that they have leads from signals to investigate. this does not mean they found the black boxes. they need to work to verify. chief houston also made it clear, don, they are really running up against the clock. it's not to be lost on anyone. we are 30 days, the advertised life span of those pingers, they're they're up today. of corse they can go on for another eight or nine days but will they? we're still talking 24 to 48 hours away at the earliest in terms of getting some of that verificati verification. >> he did mention it in the
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press conference. he did say, listen, i understand that we have media involved so those are the perils. did you get a sense of frustration that this was released not by him but by a member of the chinese media? he seems very coordinated, very organized. >> reporter: yeah, he definitely has the interests of the families top of mind. i can tell you that having spoken to the families who have spoken to him. it couldn't have been good to him that it was resigned without confirmation. at least the information was accurate, it wasn't a false lead, something they have to investigate. i can tell you they've put a new liaison person up at headquarters, a chinese liaison person to hope this doesn't happen again and on top of that he spent several hours with the chinese ambassador here last night to try to get it straight. he made it clear the chinese are
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the ones with the most assets over there. they have planes in the air and about seven helicopters. they are conducting quite a thorough search on their own. he certainly said it, underscored it, they are the ones that have come up with the strongest leads so far. my panel of experts on the breaking news right after this. . the one who seems like he's already got the job 'cause he studied all the right courses from the get-go. and that's an accountant, a mom, a university of phoenix scholarship recipient, who used our unique --scratch that-- awesome career-planning tool. and that's a student, working late, with a day job, taking courses aligned with the industry he's aiming to be in. ready to build an education around the career that you want? let's get to work.
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breaking news coming out of australia moments ago from the man heading up the investigation. let's let him explain. >> we've had three separate events, two with "haixun 01" and we have another one with "ocean shield." we're treating each of them very seriously. we need to ensure before we leave any of those areas of detection that there is no connection to mh-370. this is late-breaking news. i thought it was important that we're totally transparent with you. i just want you to know that the search is a dynamic thing. things are happening all the time, and this broke this morning. this broke, what, an hour ago?
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and i thought it was very important that you be informed about it because it's like the visual search. we are dealing with with identification of weather an acoustic event has anything to do with the downing of the aircraft. does it represent that the aircraft went into the sea at this location or not? >> so he's talking about acoustic events from the chinese ship "haixun 01" and one from "ocean shield." with us is alan diehl, a former accident investigator. alan, what needs to happen now? for the search commanders, for the people out there, what's
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next? >> it looks like we're waiting for the "echo "to make it to the location of the chinese vessel. you heard the figure 14 hours in transit. that's going to be a very significant development. remember, the chinese detected this twice. it's probably a fairly small haystack. he said the water was 4.5 kilometers deep. that's three miles. the range of these pingers is only guaranteed to be a little over a mile. so i'm sure these signals are very faint and they need something like the echo and its resources to go deep and get a better fix on the potential location of those pingers. >> al, he did say usually if it is a pinger that it would be consistent, that they would hear longer than a minute or 90 seconds. >> he and other people had a
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discussion with the discussion about thermal layers and there may be geometry with the pinger, the black box being on the side of a hill or something and as the vessel moves, it could shift around enough there could be damp i don't knowing of the acoustic signals. this is promising in my opinion, don. >> can it be sea life or -- >> that's not my area of expertise, but from what i understand, that's all it's got to be at this point. what else would be out there to emit that kind of signal? >> i'm cautiously optimistic, don. i get the sense from this -- >> but can it be anything else is what i'm saying? there's a reason they picked this particular frequency. >> i think it's fairly unique. i go back to the equipment.
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michael kay, you have said it would be highly unusual to find the black boxes without finding any debris. in this press conference, he did say they saw some white objects as well that they were taking a look at. >> absolutely. again, no smoke without fire and almost implausible to find black boxes without a debris field first. it really would be hitting the jackpot and i'm not convinced that we will find the black boxes first. i would be delighted clearly. the big thing that comes out of this is we've got the "ocean shield" verifying an acoustic event at the moment and we have the other acoustic event the chinese news agency reported today. i'll be very interested in the distance between those two. speaking with les on the break, i think it's one or the others. i don't think they can be joined together, having the black boxes split from one distance to
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another. >> it doesn't make sense for one black box to be that far from another black box. it's going to be one or another. >> alan, do you agree with that? >> absolutely. i haven't seen the diagrams or the maps. but it sounds like -- >> alan diehl, we're having a problem with his shot, agreeing with our two analysts here that you're thinking it's going to be part of the same thing, right? >> honestly, i think we're going to find that the chinese vessel -- they've already indicated it's closer to the area of higher probability. i have a feeling they'll find a signal from the "ocean shield." >> i think it's very interesting that he's warning caution here but that assets are being moved and obviously they think something is happening, otherwise they would not move those assets. >> we spoke about this before, though. i think that is the absolute
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. a lot of information coming out of perth, australia. i think a fair way to describe it is cautious optimism. there have been three acoustic events picked up in the southern
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indian ocean. they've gotten new information from reconfigured satellite information to hone in better on the search information and now are moving better assets to pick up on the ping from what possibly are the black boxes from the air plain. our cnn live coverage continues now with natalie allen in atlanta. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to our continuing coverage. i'm natalie allen. to our viewers around the world and in the united states, thank you for joining us. straight to our top story. dramatic developments in the search for malaysia airlines flight 370. search planes and ships are heading for an area where chinese searchers have now twice detected electronic pulse signals in the southern indian ocean. that world from australian authorities a short while ago who also say the

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