remembering a hollywood legend. mickey rooney, one the big equivalent star in the world, has passed. we look at his remarkable career that spans an unbelievable nine decades. >> nor "new day" starts right now. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. good morning. welcome to "new day." we want to welcome our viewers across the united states and around the world. breaking overnight an american pinger on board the australian "ocean shield." has picked up signals in the indian ocean consistent with those emitted by black boxes. the signal was spotted everything days after the chinese. they confirm nothing has been confirmed. we're going to take you through this morning and show you the different locations involved and all the area. >> we've got a lot to work through this morning. just for the sake of argument, if this is where the black box

came to a rest, retrieving it won't be easy. the water, the ocean level at this level is almost three miles deep. 2.8 miles in depth at that location. and the batteries on the black box as you well know at this point are expected to start running dry. let's start our coverage with erin mclaughlin live in perth, australia, where is a little more than 1,000 miles from where the signal of the ping was picked up. erin, what are you hearing from perth? >> reporter: well, extraordinary. promising. encouraging. all word that having used to describe the discovery made aboard the australian vessel the "ocean shield ""today there is new hope four missing malaysia flight 370. a month into the search for flight 370, officials announce what they describe as an encouraging lead. >> the ping on the hms ocean

shield has detected signals consistent with those of aircraft black boxes. >> the audible signal sounds to me just look an emergency locator beacon. >> reporter: the "ocean shield" picked up two distinct pinger alerts here. these signals detected 350 miles away from an area where a chinese ship picked untwo audio signals on saturday. britons "hms echo" has been moved there to investigate. they do not believe it's related to the "ocean field" find. >> i'd say it's unlikely. but in deep water, funny thing happen with acoustic signals. >> reporter: officials dress they need to find wreckage before they can confirm any of these ping, related to the missing plane. >> we haven't found the aircraft yet. we need further confirmation.

>> reporter: right now, the "ocean shield" is still out there, still trying to detect perhaps a third acoustic event. if they're able to accomplish that, they say they'll be able to narrow down the search field and deploy the bluefin 21, underwater, that will be able to go beneath the surface and try and find this wreckage. only then will we know for sure if this has anything to do with the missing plane, chris? >> all right, erin. let's get back to the map. we have richard quest with us. we know you were up all night. thank you for being with us this morning. appreciate it. let's start with learn something new every day. in the water, sound travels much farther than it does in the air above. so that is good and bad. that means you can pick up eye signal long range, but that could mean you're far away. with that as the context, what do we know about the two locations?

>> right. we have "the ocean shield" far to the left. >> by my well-shined shoes. >> absolutely. and to haixun one with my rather grubby shoes. they say it's unlikely but highly possible that they're the same acoustic events. there is something known as the deep water travel, and that can travel between the two. let's put aside hasixun 01 and let's focus on "ocean shield" because that is where they've had the two most promising events. one lasting more than two hours, one lasting 13 minutes. and it's there that all the attention is going to be focused on the next few days. it takes about three to four hours for them to turn the ship around, "ocean shield" come back and then have another sweep pass. >> and that makes sense when you

understand that they are dragging something thousands of feet behind them at great depth. they have to be very deliberate to get back on the same bearing and course. >> what we learned about last night is fascinating the way they did it. the first they heard from the pinger, the tow, 300 meters down. then though go even farther. >> 1400. >> absolutely. and even further. 3,000. and at that point, they were into the area where they could properly hear it and it lasted for some two hours. >> and they turned around, they got it for 13 minutes. we keep saying what does it sound like, we believe we have it, right? >> have a listen. >> it's even harder to find in the studio -- there we go. so that's the sound obviously being picked up by equipment, but that is basically what they're looking for. >> right, what angus houston said which is why he sounded so hopeful and so optimistic, i

believe to temper that optimism, what he said, he had seen it on a wave scope so he'd actually seen a visual representation of it. and he heard it. and everything was consistent with it being the black box. >> now, the "new day" way is to test the information. let's talk about what else it could be. we have a graphic that popped up. we should put it back now. they could be wrong. there's a lot of sound travel. it's a noisy place. this seismic air gun. what is is a seismic air gun? >> do not allow yourself to be distracted by these other events on this occasion. >> i must. >> no, no, i have to urge you not to be. this is -- because of the way they were talking last night, they were owe optimistic, they were saying basically because it lasted two hours, more than two hours -- >> couldn't be a seismic air gun. >> they didn't to think it was

anything else. >> how about a whale? >> they certainly were not talking about whales or dolphins or other ships equipment or other boats or anything like that last night. >> seismic air gun sounds like something that you would hear. you have to tell me what it is. i know you don't want to, but you must. what is a seismic air gun? >> i'll be absolutely honest and tell you i have no idea. >> i do. indra peterson told us. she's going to talk about a seismic air gun. it's movement on the bottom of the floor. >> it's a great title. i think sergeant you leave the seismic air gun over at the desk. back to the circles. because what the circles show is the most promising evidence that we've had since this begun. let us not underestimate, the huge difficulties that they are about to undertake. because they've got to go back over here, they've got to re-create that noise. or at least find it again.

and then they have to get the autonomous vehicle into the water. >> and dealing with three dens of conditions, also, right? >> and time is against them. because we're way beyond the 30 days of the battery life. >> until they narrow the operation, they can't drop one of those submarines down and scan the ocean floor if the battery stopped. do me a favor, we're going to be checking in with commander marks of u.s. 7 fleet. he's going to be talking about what's on board. >> are we going to talk about seismic air gun? >> it may come up. however, two other big pieces of news that deal with the flight path. one is confirming what they believe they knew. another one is another piece of information. take us through. >> there are two new pieces of information. the first is which way the aircraft flew. we now know -- at least it's

more believed that the plane, after it left kaauala lumpur, ce up, made the turn, around the strait and into the tip of ipd near indonesia. although it flew around the malaysian peninsula, it went around the top. officials believe in malaysia, that was very deliberate to avoid indonesian radar. >> why would they do? >> very good question. because, frankly, it probably didn't work. >> you only avoid radar by altitude, not by direction? >> no radar -- when you look at the next representation, you'll see radar lasts about 200 miles out. it is possible they could have tried to do that. whoever was doing whatever they were doing. but the reality is, most people think it wasn't just to avoid radar. >> it sounds a little

far-fetched. >> it it was to avoid flying over the peninsula country. it was actually to avoid going over the land mass. because going over the land mass would have attracted far more attention. >> so this is is all feeding into somebody did this on purpose idea? >> and at that point, you and i will go our separate directions. because who did what where, when and why, i think we have to leave for another day. >> i'm with you on that. i don't believe we have enough to work on with this flight path to go anywhere else other than this is where it went. >> no, but we certainly know this is the route it took. we know that from the radar data -- looking at the map, the radar data going from around the south chienna sea. >> this coordinates with the search and rescue? >> and what we learned again,

last night, again from angus houston, from work being done in kuala lumpur, they've refined the pings. they're certain that, where the "ocean shield" is, is in the northern part of the box. they're in the right place for the right reasons at the right time. now, they've just got 0 confirm it's the plane. >> we'll be tracking it. we'll be checking in with the commander from the seventh fleet who knows the most about on the water. and i confirm we can't go any further than. richard quest, i cannot believe how long you've been up because you are still right on point. you are the seismic air gun. there's other news as well. let's get to michaela. >> starting with breaking news, oscar pistorius is taking the stand right now in his murder trial. and immediately apologizing to reeva steenkamp's family. he was not the first defense witness on the stand today.

a pathologist was asked to testify first for personal reasons. overnight, a large and dangerous tornado touched down in mississippi near the town of collins. about 60 miles southeast of jackson. that tornado was moving southeast at 45 miles per hour. officials say homes have been damaged. there are reports of injuries. damaging winds knocked down power lines and trees and caused damage to roads. while investigators tried to determine a motive for the latest ft. hood shooting, community members came together to honor the victims of the army specialist lopez he killed himself. and a genuine show business legend has died. word came overnight that mickey rooney passed away at the age of 93. entertainment correspondent nischelle turner takes a look at his long and colorful career.

>> reporter: mickey rooney grew up in show business, a product of hollywood's golden age. by the time he played puck in the 1935 film "a midsummer night's dream" rooney was already a veteran. he'd made his acting debut before he was 2 in his parents' vaudeville act. vaudeville would serve him well. he would sing and dance his way through hundreds of films. >> i don't know why and i don't want it. >> reporter: in 1970, his versatility landed him the role of andy hardy, a witty character and one he would revisit in a series of films. he was a contract player for mgm at the time. rooney, his stage name replaced his birth name, joe yule jr. he was awarded a special oscar for bringing the spirit of youth to film. his turn as a tough juvenile delinquent paired him with

spencer tracy in 1941. what followed was his first oscar nomination for the feature "babes in arms" in which he and judy garland promised to put on a show. >> i'm going to put on a show. >> reporter: rooney was married to ava gardner but didn't last. he would eventually marry eight times. rooney was nominated for four academy awards one concluding one for "the black stallion." in 19 yes, rooney was given an honorary oscar for contribution to film. rooney married jane chamberlain in 1978. they toured in a show. ♪ i can't give you anything but love" he. >> reporter: in a handful of movies including "night of the museum" in 2006.

the life of his life, the constant of all of his life was always his work. >> -- and remembers the people who opened the doors for all these youngsters and people today. >> reporter: nischelle turner, cnn, hollywood. >> nine decades of a career. eight wives. hopeless romantic. >> i don't retire, i inspire. >> i know what a life. >> and so many generations being able to enjoy his work and will continue to from here on out. >> yeah. >> for sure. long career. long life. wonderful man. coming up next on "new day" -- a lot coming up on the show. they're calling is it most promising lead left in the search for 370. if the signals are coming from the missing plane's black box, how do the crews go about finding it now. our experts will be weighing in.

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welcome back to "new day." we're continuing to follow breaking news this morning. pings detected in the indian ocean in the search for malaysia flight 370. officials calling the potential signals from the plane's black box the most promising lead they've had to this count. let's discuss it and bring in mary schiavo, aviation specialist. and dan gurley, senior member of scientific solutions and also

part of the team that helped find air france flight 447. good morning to both of you. another day, another set of developments we need to discuss. >> marry i want to ask you, last week, kind of where we ended, it was always thought to this point that we were going to detect debris in from the air. and then you're going to send in the pinger locator and you're going to then start the underwater search. how surprising is it for you, of course, a healthy dose of caution, because we don't know what it is yet, that that they've detected these pings under water? >> well, it's surprising because you're exactly right. usually, they find a debris field and trace it back, accounting for times and currents and movement of the water. and then look for the pings thereafter. but here, fortunately because they went back and refining inmarsat data they were able to have flight paths if these are indeed the black boxes that the flight pattern that they

calculated panned out. there's a little bit of luck involved there, but i guess, kudos to math. because these are the math algorithms that they used. but it's unusual that the, you know, seismic sounds and southeast sounds aside, there isn't a lot in nature that sounds like this, particularly for two hours. so it's very promising. >> you say it's unusual. but i guess you can say, everything about this search has been a bit unusual to this point, mary. that's for sure. >> that's right. >> dan, let me lean on your expertise of oceanography, and the search specifically going on under the water. let's focus on the "ocean shield" and the pings detected. the first ping they detected whats for 2 hours and 20 minutes. then they turned the ship around to get back around. and they detected it for 13 minutes. does that indicate anything to you that we should take from it? >> well, the beauty of this, and

the good news in this, is fact they've had such a long period of time. the two hours on the first occasion. and immediately reacquiring it for another 13-minute period. that's very encouraging and leads me to believe, you know, we're on to the right location. again, nothing for sure until we actually can see wreckage on the ocean bottom. but again, these pingers are very short-range. you'd expect as the ship slowly moves into the area it would come into the zone, pick it up. move into the zone where it hears it and lose the signal as the range gets too great, and that appears to be what had happened. what i'd expect today, they'll continue to make additional passes to refine the area of where they're hearing it, where they're not hearing it. and that will define the real rege phone the follow-up expedition. >> officials on the ground say it could be days before they really have more information on what we heard and where that area is.

for those who don't understand how a search goes about in the ocean, why can't they just turn it right around, nail it down and send down that bluefin underwater autonomous vehicle, and take pictures of exactly what was sending out that signal? please explain. >> well, the ocean's a very unforgiving place. so this requires. >> reporter: deliberate, very patient operations which is what the experts on the "ocean shield" are doing right now. first as talked about in the previous segment, just the thought of turning that shim around with the pinger deployed with thousands of miles with cable out is taking three hours. it's not like in your car where you turn the wheel and you get around the corner. it takes a long time to get all of that equipment turned around and back on the right bearing. secondly, they need to know what is on the bottom before they send down a bluefin 21 which is a very expensive piece of equipment. they need to do some bottom mapping down there that's going

to get them, in terms of irregular ledges or bottom features that could be a problem with these some of these vehicles. then when they know what they're getting into, they'll put the bluefin 21 in the water. it will go down. basically fly right on the bottom, a couple hundred feet up with cameras and sonars start taking pictures of the bottom to see what's down there. >> mary, as you have this focus onning on for one part for the "ocean shield" 300 plus miles away you have the chinese vessel with what has detecteded that australian sources say is likely the same ping. do you think it's possible it's the same signal. or do you agree with the australian officials that it must be something separate? >> i agree with the australian officials that it must be something separate. going horizontally three miles.

experts say that's pretty much tops. and i know there are various instances in which water -- sound can travel very fr through water. but that's just too far. so, maybe, they have the pings. maybe the australians have the pings. but the "ocean shield" pings seem particularly promising. and i would think that those are the ones. what the chinese vessel heard, you know, is up for grabs. and maybe they will find something or some way that it did travel that far. the wreckage is there. it looks to me it's the "ocean shield" that has it. >> it looks take they've put everything they've had to focus on this area. more planes and the ships heading to this direction. hopefully, mary, as we've been talking about a lot,thy will be able to narrow down the search area. that's been the biggest challenge, this vast area. we'll don't talk about that, mary and van, will be back.

thank you very much. chris? >> we'll take a break on "new day." we'll get a conversation with the naval commander in charge. also, breaking news in the oscar pistorius trial. the blade runner is on the stand right now in his own defense. his dramatic apology to the family of his girlfriend next. (dad) well, we've been thinking about it and we're just not sure. (agent) i understand. (dad) we've never sold a house before. (agent) i'll walk you guys through every step. (dad) so if we sell, do you think we can swing it?

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good morning. we have breaking news in the search for missing flight 370. u.s. navy pinger locator has detected two separate signals that are consistent with aircraft flight data recorders, aka, black boxes. now, this is being called the

most promising lead yet in the hunt for flight 370. i spoke earlier with commander williams marks, he's the public affairs officer for the u.s. seventh fleet. remember, the u.s. is the one controlling the pinger locators. we got him from yokosuko. this is the most encouraging news we've heard. tell us what we know. >> well, it is encouraging. u.s. navy counterpart did detect a ping signal, actually, over a pretty significant amount of time in the search area. at first the cpl, or code pinger locator, heard a signal about 300 meters. that's pretty shallow. but it still is encouraging because sound does travel quite

far in water. so once they heard that detection, they went ahead, lowered the pinger locator to a better depth, about 1400 meters or so. there, they had pretty solid contact for about two hours. so that was call for optimism. we're cautiously optimistic, though. since that two-hour time period, we did turn around on a reciprocal course, drop the depth down to 3,000 or so meters, that's really where we would expect to hear the black box if it's down there. and really only had exact for another 15 minutes or so. >> all right. so there are u.s. personnel on the australian ship using u.s. equipment. and that's what's picking up this signal. how do you account for not picking it up the same way when you retraced your steps on what you called that reciprocal

track? >> well, there are so many variables involved here. the first and biggest variable, is the effectiveness of the pinger locator. it's only as good as the signal coming from the black box. so if that signal is diminishing just because of the batteries or if it's pressure depth, temperature of water, those things all affect the signal being sent out. >> contrast what you're doing on "ocean shield" with the u.s. equipment to what we saw with the chinese who are like in a speed boat with this handheld thing that looked like a boom mike that he were putting in the water. how does it compare in terms of level of sophistication of equipment and their reports what they picked up a signal as well. what do you make of those? >> i can frill the u.s. navy, we believe it's the best in the world. and we are encouraged. if i were a betting man, my

money would go focusing on the "ocean shield" and trying to reacquire this signal that we found yesterday. >> what's your best estimate as to the heim horizon of when you're hoping to pick the signal back up. you can gauge it all? >> no one knows. this is a very deliberate and slow -- necessarily slow process. so just to turn the ship around requires a pretty complex operation. you have to retrieve the cpl. you have to do a very slow and deliberate turn. because you want to get back on that same course. and then, of course, you have to reel it out again. so -- and this is only moving a couple knots which is a nautical mile per hour. i can tell you it won't be quick. >> everyone wants it to go

quickly but more important that they get it right. you made an excellent point, all of these countries working together. right now, oscar pistorius is is on the stand in his own defense in his murder trial with reeva steenkamp's mother looking on in court. he immediately apologized, saying, quote, i can promise you that when she went to bed that night, she felt loved. robyn kurnow isle following all the developments from pretoria, south africa, that must have been quite a thing to hear in the courtroom today, robyn. >> reporter: what an amazing morning. everyone has been wait for this. oscar pistorius has been waiting to tell his side of the story. before we even did that, he did that thing that you just described, he literally turned his back to the judge, tried to look mrs. steenkamp in the eye. he was very tearful. and this is some of the apology he said to her.

>> i would like to take this opportunity to apologize to mrs. and mr. steenkamp, to reeva's family. for those of you here today. >> mr. pistorius -- i don't like doing this to you, but i can hardly hear you. >> i beg your pardon, my lady. i'll speak up. i'd like to apologize and say at these moments, and there hasn't been a moment since this tragedy that i haven't thought of the

family. i wake up every morning. there's people i think of, there's people i pray for. i can't imagine what i've caused you and your family. >> reporter: okay. i was in court during that. it was difficult for me to see mrs. steenkamp's reaction. and oscar pistorius obviously as you can hear was very emotional. you can't see him because he's chosen not to have the visual images of his testimony broadcast. just the audio. so that's why you didn't see his face. i think what was also crucial as i was sitting in that courtroom, listening to the beginning of his testimony. it was very important that he acknowledged that his mother when he was a young child was very fearful. his father often traveled for work. he described how his mother would often go to sleep at night with a pistol, with a gun in a bag underneath her pillow.

that she'd often bring in the children in the middle of the night and call the police. she was fearful of intruders in the night as well. of course, this is usual, it not only explains perhaps his family history, his sense of paranoia about the dark. but it will also give the defense an indication of why he reacted like he did that night. and of course, his testimony is continuing right now. >> we'll continue to watch that with you, robyn. thank you so much for that. really interesting to hear him react and talk about his feelings. everything else has been other people's versions, now, we get to hear from him himself. >> and it was largely his perspective, what he perceived was going on that evening is what this case is about. >> unusual to see a defendant this early in the case come forward. also unusual for a defendant to testify in a case like this because, remember, the prosecution has nothing to work off except his version of events. >> right. >> while doing this, even talking about his mom, laying out the groundwork of

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welcome back. once again, breaking developments overnight. investigators are in the process of verifying signals detected in the indian ocean that could be flight 370's black box. they call it the best lead they've had so far. meantime, a source for the malaysian government is now telling cnn the plain skirted indonesia, possibly, to avoid the radar. let's bring in david soucie, a cnn safety analyst and the author of "why planes crash." he's also an faa inspector. david, i want to focus mostly if i can on this new path. this tweak in the flight path around indonesia. when you first heard that, what does that -- what do you make of it? >> you know, i'm having a difficult time with that. for one reason and that is the fact that the radar that picked this up, that movement up there

was from the military radar. and that there's no secondary ping. there's no ping saying yes, this is that aircraft. there's nothing that says, yeah, i am flight 370's. so looking at radar, when you do from that perspective of not knowing when you're looking at, it can vary quite a bit. there's quite awe few dots out there that have no meaning, other than a flock of birds perhaps. or other items that pop up on the radar. and on typical radar, you discard those things, you turn your intensity down and focus on those things. but they're giving you a secondary thing back saying, yes, this is who i am. when you're trying from scratch and all you have are the dots, saying this is the flight, i'm not so convinced they can do that with any level of confidence, honestly. >> let's go down the road with the healthy dose of caution you that just gave that they might not have this flight path as firm as they may think.

the implication is that this was done intentionally. that's not a typical routing that awe would take. do you think that's the most likely scenario, that it had to be intentional if this was the path? >> well, again, if this was the path, yeah, i don't see any reason why it would have gone that way. there's no reason it would have stayed on the path, if it was a mechanical failure, let's say, that it would have continued on the flight path. but the idea that it took an intentional turn up north and then to the south, i have no idea what that would be other than something at human hand. >> of course, even if this is the flight path, the way it took, we still don't know why. but the implication was that this was to avoid military radar, to avoid going over the land mass and to avoid detection. is there a scenario that you can think of in your mind, that this would be done, and it was not with a bad intention? >> now, you're really stretching

maybe, because i really can't think of any reason that it would be. you know, if you're going to avoid military radar for the purpose of not being shot down, for example, that means that you must have an intent of getting somewhere. if you're avoiding military radar to avoid detection to make the aircraft disappear in some way, i can see that. but to have a reason to go around that, unless there was some weather situation going on at that point, where you'd go around that. but at an awfully big turn to make just to avoid some weather with that type of an aircraft, especially if it was at a high altitude. >> do you think this should change the investigation? the direction the investigation is going right now? or do you think it's too thin on detail to revamp at all? >> i think the focus of the investigation, and the hard facts, i'm hopeful that these pings are going to get us some pieces of that aircraft to see what has happened inside from the flight data recorder which

would give us clues as to why the turns were made and why. the investigation as that who is on board the aircraft and who would have done this. to me, it's a daunting task to try to figure out not only that but the reasons behind it. to come up with any scenario that makes sense at this point is impossible other than what we find with that black box. >> you still maintain -- you still think, the direction this needs to go. find the black box. get the data off it that black box, then you can work backwards to try to figure out why this plane took whatever path it took? >> absolutely. that's the only chain of facts that you could start with. other than that, it's speculation, innuendo, there's no way to know what went on with the aircraft, until you start looking at hard facts that you have 100% confidence in. >> there's sure enough of not hard facts and rumor and

innuendo. let's focus on the hard facts. david soucie, thank you very much. chris? >> let's take a break on "new day." when we come back, more on the search for flight 370. the families, of course, they're still desperate for answers. will the new developments bring them closer to knowing what happened to their loved ones. we're going to go live to beijing. ♪ turn around

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welcome back to "new day." we're following breaking news in the search for flight 370. two signals have been detected that are consistent with black box signals. while these developments may bring the families of the passengers closer to knowing what happened to their loved ones, no one's anxious to jump to conclusions just yet. many including the partner of philip wood said they won't give up hope until they find the plane. pauline is there. >> reporter: michaela, the families are specially very cautious about the new developments because they want new information. here's the dilemma, they want concrete confirmation, but if they get confirmation that the pings are coming from the plane that would be devastating that

would eliminate some of the hope that still of the family members have -- they do exist, some of these family members do have hope that there may be some survivors. we talked to a woman today that said this is a lead. a lead that may lead us closer to the truth of where the plane is, but we need confirmation. we are not sure yet. and we don't know if this is true or false. now, we're approaching the one-month mark. and relatives later tonight are going to have a candlelight vigille. they're going to start this vigil at 12:41 a.m. which is the minute the plane took off from kuala lumpur to beijing. this vigil will end at 8:19 which is when this last half ping was detected by satellite. >> i have to remember how terribly hard it is for the family and loved ones. the detection of the signals follows a weekend report from the chinese navy that they heard similar sounds over 300 miles away. the folks involved in a national

search effort are using a variety of pinger detection technology. joining us now, the v.p. and group manager of teledyne, the company that makes that equipment. you brought equipment with you. we appreciate it. we hear that australians heard a sustained signal. the chinese say they detected a signal themselves using technology that you guys make. we'll talk about that in a second. do the sounds and what they're reporting does that signify to you that it could be a black box that they're detecting? >> so the reports from the australians is very consistent with pingers from a black box. there are a pair of pingers there are down. the chinese is different. it sounds like information we have information from the chinese that particularly sounds like consistent with a pinger but it's not necessarily a sure

thing it's a pinger. not something that's environmental or some other man-made noise. >> we should point out it's not the same area, about 300 miles away. let's talk about technology. in fact, the chinese is using your technology. what exactly is it and what is it designed for? >> this is a diver pinger location system. as you can see, it's relatively simple. we've seen on the press that it looks almost like a radar gun. it really is basically a sonar gun is the way we're looking at a time. what we're looking at week trying to detect, i'll pick it up again. this aviation pinger. this is the one that goes in the black box. this is the one that teledyne manufactures. it's in black boxes right now. this is a 30-day pinger. when it goes into salt water, it starts to ping. it will ping for at least 30 days. in a shallow water configuration, you would take this, turn it on, adjust the

frequency. and the diver would then use this phone that sits under, behind the ear, and they could hear the ping going off. >> so this would be attached to that looking for that. >> absolutely. so the diver swims around -- >> ding, ding, ding -- and that would not detect anything else, wore it? >> it's a broad enough frequency. it has two kilohertz frequency. >> but a diver would be trained to tell the difference in that, or no? >> well, the way the pinger works, it goes off every second. so the sound is very much a ping or something every second. so there's that rhythm that tell, the person that there's something there that's not just background noise. >> now, we should point out, this is designed to be handheld by a diver, a human diver in shallow water, correct? >> we, we make an adapgs kit that lets you stick it over the

side of the boat. the chinese was using that kit. that's a legitimate part of the device. but it's designed to look at things in shallow water primarily. to look at things in deep water, you want to be in the deep water. that's why the u.s. navy is using the toe fish. >> but is this going to give you the depth you want and the accuracy you want? >> we've looked that the very carefully. doing calculations over the weekend. looking at the response from the chinese and the depth of the water, we think it's possible but the possibility is very remote. it would be the luckiest, you know, game that they could play. you wouldn't play in vegas that way. >> okay. fair point. they'll take whatever they can at that point. you also said that you saw video of the chinese boat, and they have another pinger used for detection. and that you were maybe concerned that the pinger detector could be picking up, for testing -- you were concerned that maybe it was picking up the other pinger

inside the boat. is that a possibility? >> it could be. we know that the other pinger is not an aviation pinger. it's at the same frequency, 35.7 kilohertz. it's one that we manufacture. it's used to put something in the ocean and set a time that says don't start going off for five days from now and then i can find what i put in the ocean. the chinese appears to be testing the device and working okay. so if they're careful it would be fine to have it in the boat if you keep it dry when using it in the water. >> that's the key. >> really, we have trained the users originally of that equipment. but that equipment was sold five to ten years ago. >> we appreciate you bringing it in for us. great information. >> thank you. >> chris, to you. we have is a lot of news this morning. pistorius is on the stand. we have new office ft. hood

shooter. and breaking developments on flight 370. the left lead yet. let's get to it. >> the towed pinger locator has detected signals of aircraft black boxes. >> the u.s. navy did detect a pinging signal. >> i think we have finally found the haystack. >> this is extremely encouraging. go >> if this proves conclusive this will rewriting hist pore. >> the speculation of what happened to the plane. >> we continue to hope and pray. good morning. welcome to "new day." it's monday, april 7th, 7:00 in the east now. we do have breaking details overnight. signals have been sent out. officials call it the most promising lead yet but stress nothing has been confirmed. right now, they're combing the

area. you can see it here on the map. this is where the australian ship was. there's also a chinese ship that had pinger locator data. they're not as confident in that. we're going to stick with what we're hearing from the australians using the quilt right now. they're bothing that area. two hours. and then had to turn around which is is a massive process. and then several minutes to try to re-establish it. if they can narrow down that search area, then they can use underwater subs to map the ocean bottom. we'll take you through that and the flight path and speculation that we will test. we'll have it for you, kate? >> even with this the most promising yet, there's a lot of work to be going forward. that underwater drone will have its work cut out for us. we're talking about one of the deepest parts of the ocean. it's nearly three miles deep where they believe this ping was

detected. let's start our coverage with erin mclaughlin, live in perth, about 1,000 miles from where that signal was picked up. erin, what are you learning? >> reporter: kate, here in perth, they're saying this is an extraordinary find. the australian vessel "ocean shield" picking up not one, but two. the first lasting two hours. the second lasting 13 minutes both saying consistent with characteristic, with flight black boxes. while authorities here are saying this is promising, they are nudging caution saying more work needs to be done to verify that. to that effect, the "ocean shield" is out there trying to detect a third acoustic event in hopes of trying to narrow down a search area so they can deploy an underwater drone provided by the americans to try and find some sort of sign of wreckage.

only then will they, they say, be able to verify that this is in fact from the missing plane, kate. >> erin, thank you for that update. a third location. a third event is what they need right now. >> absolutely. let's talk about where to this point. first, let's show where these two ping loukzs have been placed. i want to ask you why they're significant. first down here, the one that's more south, we'll say, that's where the chinese pick up their signal right? >> if you look. it is on the arc of the southern corridor which, of course, we've always known it has to be. it's on the upper end of lower part, if that makes sense. and angus houston, in perth, in that last conference that issy the "ocean shield" discovered the first which lasted two hours and the second 13 minutes.

that is about where haixun 01 has been doing its work. >> what all we've been looking at, australian officials are saying it's unlikely, the source is of these two pings that are picked up are the same. what do you think? >> yes. i mean, some people are dealing diplomatically courteous, saying some of this could have followed through the deep waves through sound travel. but angus houston sort of discounted it. they do seem to be different events. the focus of attention is on "ocean shield" and what "ocean shield" heard, the two acoustic events. >> let's talk about "ocean shield" and what they're dealing with next. show this pinger locator and how it is going about its business underneath the surface. when we talked to commander marks, chris did earlier this hour, he's talking about the various depths that they had put

the pinger locator to pick up the signals. first at 1,000. then 4,600 feet and then 9,800 feet. >> right. you're in depth, i'm in meters. they first heard is at 300 meters. then once they heard it at 300 meters, they then lowered the tpl, because they need to get further down below. they went to 1,400. then they went to the ideal depth which is 3,000 meters, and at that, they were able to still maintain it for two hours. it's that two hours that houston kept saying is the important thing. what you wanted to hear from different from "haixun 01" you don't just want bursts. you want consistency. now, as you take a look at what they've been showing, once they

accumulate enough evidence that it is there, they did deploy that underwater submarines? >> but it's that evidence that we should also be cautious with. because there's still limitations that they're dealing with in hopes of picking up that signal again, right? >> imagine driving your car with several hundred, if not 1,000 feet of rope with something tied on the back of it. and you're going down. and you're driving along, and then you suddenly got to turn around. and the way you do, of course, you bring it in. that it takes about three hours. >> i'd crash into a bunch of people. >> what else could this be? lesser minds might talk about things like seismic air gun us and the like. but the reality is, they're fairly confident that what they have heard, is because it is consistent.

and this is the phrase he uses consistent with it being a black backs. the commander said consistent with being a black box. >> they could be more careful, if they weren't as confident as they seem to be, they couldn't be more careful with their language. >> the plane started in kuala lumpur and around indonesia -- >> show that. that's what we've been talking about, this new flight path that malaysian officials have said to cnn, not only when it made that sharp left turn, it skirted around the tip of indonesia. >> i'll show you this. it starts up here. comes around the top. and this is the area where everybody is focusing on. because the plane appears to skirt around the tip of indonesia. >> right. >> now, many people will suggest the reason it did that was to

avoid radar. >> many people are suggesting that. but what i hear from you that might not be the whole story? >> i think -- depending on the theory that you hear at any given moment, i think what it suggests more, rather than just radar, because radar -- most pilots will tell you, they don't know where radar starts, where radar finishes. but they could know where airspace starts and finishes. therefore it could well have been trying to avoid going over indonesian airspace itself, right across the country. what indonesian has said -- >> go in tighter animation while richard finishes his box. >> what indonesia has said, there is no sign, no evidence of mh-370 being picked up by indonesian radar. none. >> right. >> now, what is interesting, when you look at this, you've got to question how could they

not have -- thailand picked it up. malaysia picked it up. >> so you think this is not the whole story? >> i don't know. i'd hesitate to say that but i think you have to raise an eyebrow as to why -- look at the way it went. vastly up around the northeast part, around the tip down to the side. and indonesia says there's no evidence on indonesian radar. and we've asked them that several times concerning the issue. and then when it comes down here, to use the polite parlance of running out of fuel, that is the focus. >> and that is exactly where they are trying to get the ping where the "ocean shield" picked it up. we're learning more about the ft. hood shooter and what

may have triggered his own rage before taking his own liner cnn's ed lavandera is live in dallas. >> reporter: good morning, michaela. while investigators continue the work of trying to piece together how all of this could have happened, they're taking a much closer look at the life of ivan lopez. specialist ivan lopez took to facebook to rant on a range of subjects. in early march around the time he purchased the.45-caliber handgun he posted, quote, my spirit peace is gone after allegedly being robbed. perhaps the most chilling is what the iraq war veteran posted about adam lanza. it is stupid to me that anyone could have access to a powerful weapon without being mentally evaluated. >> most of these mass shootings,

you have individuals who are very multidimensional. they have mental health issues, but they're not debilitated by them. they can actually function. >> reporter: ft. hood officials say lopez was being treated for mental health conditions including anxiety and possible ptsd. doctors prescribed him ambient. >> he was seen last month by a psychiatrist. we have no information on the record that there was any sign of likely violence. >> reporter: the most significant clue might be what transpired moments before lopez opened fire. that afternoon he stopped by the post human resources office to request a temporary leave form. jonathan westbrook was a soldier manning the office. his father said that lopez was told he'd have to come back later. then lopez snapped, coming back and opening fire, shooting westbrook four times. >> first guy he shot right in front of my son was killed. then he turned the gun towards

jonathan, aimed it and fired. >> and as the investigators continue their work this week, chris, a memorial service is planned for wednesday. and president and michelle obama will be attending that on wednesday, chris. >> no small irony in that that the shooter himself was recognizing the confusion of someone with mental health issues is recognizing someone getting guns. this morning, the blade runner is testifying in his own defense, with reeva steenkamp, the victim's mother, looking on. he broke down as he apologized to the family. also talked about his constant fears of crime in south africa, take a listen. >> i'd like to apologize and say that this moment, and there hasn't been a moment since this tragedy happened that i haven't

thought about the family. i wake up every morning there's people i think of. there's people i pray for. i can't imagine the pain and sorrow i've caused you and your family. i was simply trying to protect reeva. when she went to bed that night, she felt loved. i tried to put my words on paper many, many times throughout to you, but no words ever suffice. i'm scared to sleep. for several reasons i have terrible nightmares but things that happened that night where i wake up where i can smell i can smell blood. and i wake up to being terrified. >> it's very emotional testimony. one quick note, he is audio only

by choice. in south africa, you get that choice. you have emotional, you have procedural, and practical here. the emotional is what we just heard. the procedural, in south africa, defendants almost take the stand. and when they do, they go in early in the case. not what we do here in the united states. he doesn't have to take the stand. he really is the only one who knows what happened there. so while he is laying out the groundwork for i have a vulnerability, i'm afraid of this, my mother kept a pistol in a bag in her pillow every night -- >> that also gives the defense all sorts of territory to cup at him? >> correct. it gives the defense to say this is a reasonable amount of action based on fear. it gives the prosecution the ability to question about those actions. >> it's emotional to listen to

as an out sider, you can only imagine what reeva steenkamp's family was going through. >> that's what it's all about. the whole trial is giving justice to the victim and what's happened to the family. >> we'll bring the developments as they require. right now, we'll take a break on "new day." when we come back, the big question, have searchers found flight 370? we do know they have two separate signals detected by navy locators. officials call it the most promising lead. we'll take a look at it and see if it's all it's cracked up to be. we'll take a look. century link. your link with what's next. how did i know? well, i didn't really.

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>> welcome back to our breaking coverage of the search for flight 370. here's what we know, pings detected in the indian ocean could be from the plane's black box. the bigger could is could this be where the plane came to rest. a lot of speculation. we have mary schiavo, aviation analyst. and mr. miles o'brien, cnn aviation expert. mary, i start with you, make a case for why we should all have grace confidence in the pinger locator possibility? >> sure, it sounds like they heard the right megahertz. the reputation, 37.5 megahertz. they were found not once, but price, repeatedly, if it was a

sporadic event like the seismic air hammer it wouldn't keep going for over a two-hour period. and it's in the place where inmarsat told us it's the place to look. it looks very promising and it is not the sound of marine life unless they happen to be wearing watches. so i think this is very promising. very well may be it. >> miles o'brien, do you recco those concerns no pun intended. it is not whales with air guns, seismic air gun, or do you think it's the pinger? >> when i hear they have a two-hour fix on this pinging noise that inspires quite a bit of confidence. it's at the very deep end of the location, it's right at the ragged edge of equipment on scene. the question is, can they get to

the wreckage that is there, with what they have there. or do they need to bring are submersibles that can go deeper and that could delay the wreckage. >> cautious optimism. it could take several hours to turn the ship around and begin on the return bearings, we have to be patient. at least it could be promising. that 25iks us to the other breaking news of the morning, this now, let's call it a confirmation of the flight path. and it takes it around the hub there of indonesia, mary, i'm very questionable, i'm very skeptical for all the rationales being offered for why this happened. i believe the only thing we now know is a very certain flight path. i believe we know nothing on why it took that. what is your take? >> well, i don't actually think we have any additional information. all we have, what we had before, there are no radar tracings in indonesia. we've known this since day one.

what we heard, they didn't provide it or for some reason, they didn't see it. now, they say they don't have any. and what we're doing, it's not us. what authorities are doing, trying to explain what they might be. that doesn't mean they have additional information, that means there's no radar evidence from indonesia, they didn't pick it up. people are surmising perhaps that's why you were intentionally, or someone was intentionally skirting it. it's what you do in an investigation, you put out a hypothetical to see if you you can support it. and it's a good hypotheses. >> miles, what do you think of this it was done to skirt radar? >> we've seen the flight path, this confirms what we're talking about. clearly, there's nothing about that flight path that would indicate you had a flight crew dealing with an emergency. this is someone who is deliberately avoiding specific

airspace. it's impossible to come up with another scenario at this point. so, the question is what will those -- you know, if they do in fact recover the flight data recorders and there's a lot of optimism about that, what will it tell us? it's very likely the voice data recorder which only captures the last two hours of time will not shed light on thing. the flight data recorders only capture about 80% of aspects. this could do enough. but it could conclusively rule out a failure. unfortunately, human beings don't have black boxes. >> i just know when you have families desperate to know what happened. you do have the families of pilots here. and the pilots have completely been put in the box of having done something intentional to destroy airplane. mary, is it true when you're trying to avoid radar it's not

about calculating outer distance of a radar, assuming you'd know that a pilot but that is your altitude. wouldn't you want to know what altitude they were at? >> exactly. and that's been a mystery all along. we've had reports of altitude. at one point, 5,000. and when you're landing, air traffic control can follow you down almost to the runway. society altitude would be very, very important. and really what i think they were saying is, they went out and around to an area where indonesia just wouldn't be paying attention to them. they wouldn't send the military planes, for example, if they're outside of the indonesian, you know, active monitoring airspace. but they could still pick them up. >> at least it allows us to check a box. it also checks on is the indonesia telling the truth. people are skeptical. thailand saw it on radar.

how did indonesia not. we're hearing a similar thing about cliente echinese, when thd their search. cooperation is the key here. hopefully, we'll get more information about the pingers. when we get more information, we'll come back to you, mary, and you, miles, to help us untdz it. thank you to both of you. coming up next on "new day," we're going to dig more into the search for flight 370. we're going to talk a top law enforcement officer to talk about the findings and what it means. >> plus, president obama is working to close the gender wage gap. we're going inside politics to see if his new executive actions will get the job done.

welcome back to "new day." let's take a look at your headlines almost at the bottom of the hour. an american pinger has been picked up two separate. a manned sub could be sent down to see if in fact it's from malaysia flight 370. officials call this a promising lead but nothing yet has been confirmed. pro-russian protesters seized three cities in ukraine. russia media group claims that one group has formed their own republic and asking russia to send in peacekeepers. the group says it will sign a referendum. part of moscow's plan to destabilize the country so it can send in troops. also new this morning, ukraine's defense minute still said a russian soldier shot and

killed a ukrainian naval officer in crimea. voters in afghanistan turned out in droves this weekend to elect a new president. reports of violence and bloodshed, however, up to 7 million people were able to successfully cast their votes. so far, the elections are pointing to a runoff. preliminary results will be announced at the end of the month. breaking overnight, mickey rooney, legendary star of stage and screen has died. rooney had been in poor hit for some time now. first starring as a teenager in the andy hardy movies in a career that spanned almost 30 years. rooney was 93 years old. >> he always had that smile, too. >> oldest kid in the world. he'll be missed. he'll be missed. all right.

let's get inside politics on "new day." mr. john king, happy monday, john king. >> happy monday, mr. chrouomo. lots to talk about. if it looks like a candidate and talks like a candidate, is it a candidate? i'm asking about this guy -- jeb bush. >> we need to elect candidates that have a vision that is bigger and broader. and candidates that are organized around winning the election. but not making a point. >> at not making a point at the end there, julie, i take that as jeb bush, son of a president, brother of a president, saying he'll decide by the end of the year. thinking about 2012, is that a message we don't need michele bachmann or john mccain.

>> i think the conversation has centered around the idea that this is a guy who is electable. and i think that is the message that he was trying to project there. i am electable. i'm someone who will not have huge ideological lines on every issue. if he's testing the water over the next few months this is not a sure thing. but there's a lot of insight into that. >> testing the waters. also wondering what has become quick sand in recent years, immigration issue. we know it's a issue for his brother. he's obviously the governor of a big swing state with latino population. his wife is latino. listen to jeb bush with this message on immigration. >> yes, they broke the law. but it's not a felony -- it's an act of love. it's the an act of commitment to your family. >> john mccain spoke of god's children when they come across the border.

his brother george w. spoke like this. this is where mitt romney got into problems with pressure from the right. can jeb bush sell that in south carolina? >> it's been difficult. he's obviously had a lot of support from hispanic voters in florida. that was part of his broad pe appeal. that's what a lot like about him about mainstream republicans. rick perry said it's heartless. for jeb bush, this is a tricky line to walk. i think it's interesting that he's doubling down a little bit on that because he has gotten into some trouble there. >> that's the question. is he big enough to sell it? you can sell change to your party if you're big enough or people think you're electable or strong enough to debate. the country knows they have this demographic problem, that if they don't fix it, it will be hard to win the white house,

period. if you look at the "the new york times," well done, expose on deportation under the obama administration. where the president has said we're only deporting illegal immigrants who credit serious crimes. but the "the new york times" said two-thirds of those deported are for minor offenses. can they step in and try to turn that? >> well, there certainly is an opening here. over the last couple years, the narrative has been that democrats have the lock on the hispanic vote because of some of the things that republicans have said and voted for on immigration reform. there's a lot of anger on deportation. you heard this line about obama calling him the "deporter-in-chief." there is an opening there. the question is what do republicans do to capitalize on that. >> everyone talks about the pressure on hillary clinton saying if she's not going to run she needs to say so sooner rather than later, it's frozen, her apparent campaign, i'll call it that, has frozen all the other democrats. what about jeb bush.

if the establishment starts to say it takes a bush to beat a clinton, if the establishment says no, that's a big problem. there's a lot of pressure from the big donors, you see adelson trying to put his money behind that. it's different with hill rick, though, it's not freezing other republicans. christy, scott walker, bobby jindal. >> it's amazing when we're talking about trying to get candidates to commit and we're in, what, able 2014. >> let's put that aside. let's focus on some of this week designed to shape the 2014 midterm campaign. the president will sign a couple of executive orders tomorrow, designed to help people get equal pay. largely to help women get equal pay. congress, the senate wants to vote on that issue.

how much of this is about enacting policy change? and how much of this is about telling the democratic base we're with you, we want you to turn out in november? >> well, these are things that i believe the president believes in as a policy matter. but this is about politics right now. they know in the white house when they talk about women's issues, particularly paycheck fairness, kitchen table issues as it relates to women they get a bump. you're going to hear about this at the white house this week and you're going to hear about it every everything week wean now and midterm elections. >> can republicans block these things? at the moment, the republican leadership doesn't have a plan to take that up, either they don't like it. or the fairness articles as democrats say, the republicans say you're meddling in the market place we did part of this with the leadbetter act. do we have any confidence it

might influence voters? >> i think they will say no in a lot of cases. on unemployment insurance, it's something they've been working on for several months. it doesn't look like that's going to get through, quite frankly. and republicans they do see a win-win. obviously that gets through as part of the president's agenda. >> on state of the union, former speaker and democratic leader of the house nancy pelosi continuing with this. we talked about equal pay and unemployment insurance. nancy pelosi also believes the democrats can make political hay of republican budget? >> i call it the ideological manifesto of the republican party. it is a budget that takes us so into the fast. >> social cuts she's talking about. medicare changes in the paul ryan budget. but democrats made this argument in 2010, they made it in 2012. they're still isn't the minority. do they think this is about fund-raising and driving the base? or do they think in the 35 or 40

competitive house districts in the country this works? >> one thing we keep hearing from republicans the base doesn't show up in the midterms. you're going to see the party rallying around anything that can be a wedge issue. whether women paycheck fairness issue. but on the flip side, republicans think that the ryan budget or something in that form is also a good wedge issue for that. you're really seeing the parties pull apart here. we're not talking about issues that are bipartisan anymore. >> david, help me understand this with nancy pelosi and the cia and the frustration. and in her view, one person from the prior administration. >> i do believe in the bush/cheney administration, that vice president cheney set a tone and attitude for the cia. >> she really believed one guy in the white house got the cia to do whatever controversial stuff? >> that is the argument for her to make to sort of inflame all of the people's concerns and bad

feelings about the bush era tactics. this report is coming up next few week, probably made public. she's going to try to pin that on that administration. the bushes sort of reinventing themselves to pin that back and remind people that the president has made changes in this area, maybe not as much as people want. >> appreciate you coming in. the end, a humorous note, a tip of the hat to the president and first lady as we watch paul things this week we do know that midweek they will go to the memorial service in ft. hood. >> unfortunately, it's the last time that the president will return to ft. hood since he did it for the very same reason. >> and important to do it. this one has not gotten the coverage in 2009. there are good reasons for that, and bad reasons. so it's important that it gets shown at least the same official

respect. >> appreciate you pointing that out. another good segment from you, my brother. see you tomorrow. >> no good-bye? >> that's all right. coming up on "new day," was flight 370 intention that he will trying to avoid radar detection? new information on the flight path and shocking new questions. why was the plane thrown that way. do they know? can they know? we're going to give you what they're saying, and we're going to test it coming up. in the last 23 years, but i needed help in quitting smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix varenicline is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced the urge for me to smoke. it actually caught me by surprise. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking, or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental-health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you develop these,

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welcome back to "new day." good morning to you. breaking overnight. australian naval ship carrying american gear picked up two signals consistent with those that come from black boxes known as pings. meanwhile, stunning news from a senior malaysian official. he tells cnn the jet may have been purposely flying a route around indonesia designed to avoid radar. how can they know that? what is the best evidence of this? is there any? joining us former analyst and fbi director mr. david fuentes. and david soucie author of "why planes crash." better title for your book, david soucie, should be why are they saying this when it comes to the investigation of flight

370 and thereof? i'm skeptical what they say about the turn around the hub of indonesia. why do they know it went that way? let's start with that. >> well, they're basing it on information from radar. primary radar, not secondary radar. the radar does not say this is flight 370. it says there's an aircraft out there. you're right to be skeptical of it. i am, as well. the report comes from someone who is not the radar operator. it's coming from not where the radar originated. so all of this information, i'm get morgue skeptical about but this one in particular because it's primary radar, it's not going to give you an indication of which aircraft it is. it's just pings that happened to draw them together and make that determination it's specifically that aircraft, i'm not finding a whole lot of confidence in that myself. >> the good news is, at least they have better confirmation of why the plane went that way which leads you down to the

southern indian ocean which is where they're searching. it seems that data is lining up. mr. fuentes, when you look at the why here. of course it's a gray area, of course, they're speculating, let's focus on the notion now feeling strongly that this plane was flown by human hand on this route. do you feel confident with that? >> chris i agree with skepticism. the malaysian authorities said that the first week when they announce they had were going to search the pilots' homes and remove the computers because they believed the plane was flown by human hands off its northbound course to beijing to go westward. that's something that the malaysians had figured from day one. on this current situation of the plane went around indonesia to avoid radar. miles o'brien is correct, there's no black box in the pilots' heads that's going to tell you that was the intention,

even if they did. the other reason that i have, these airspaces, again, on the assumption it was being flown by human hands. these are busy airspace information the middle of the night, unlike u.s. airports. i flew in and out of asia a couple months ago, in and out of bangkok, singapore, they fly at night, because that's when they land in europe or other place its. so a spiepilot, an experienced pilot, would know this is crowded airspace. that could also be a reason. also on the assumption if they flew directly over indonesia and land space, although we don't know that, they might be shot down. one of these countries might be awake and doing something about an aircraft presenting a hostile profile. another reason to fly north would be just that, if they were flying over indonesia and then veered parallel to the coastline and looped around it, then it

would present a less hostile dot in the sky to the indonesian authorities. i'm skeptical to anybody claiming to know why something happened in this situation. >> as an fbi mentor taught me many years ago, when you have many possibilities that are equal, that means you have no probability. i think that's what they're dealing with now. they have a million reasons. david, would a pilot know what the outer limit was of this radar 200 miles or so? and if you were trying to avoid radar, isn't it about your altitude and not your breadth of expanse away from it? >> absolutely. the lower you get, the term "flying under the radar" is is a real thing. the lower you get to altitude, the more you'd be able to avoid radar. anybody pilot would know that. as far as why they're saying that, there's no black box in someone's head, trying to figure that out, who knows why. but it makes sense if they are

trying to avoid being shot down or going over a hostile area. most pilots wouldn't think that in those terms, commercial pilots. >> you look at the plus/minus sign. the plus is we now know that indonesia wasn't lying when it said it didn't pick it up. that leads us from the cooperation, anybody would do that if they have good information. americans would do that. at least we know indonesia is telling the truth. on the minus side, these families want confirmation. on speculation, they've had enough already. i just don't know how it serves the investigative purposes to go down the road and speculate. where does it get them, tom? >> chris, over the last few months, i've seen people directly not involved in the area they're talking about, but people giving information on the periphery of it. we saw this with the report that

the pilot -- you know, what the wife was saying, that turned out not to be true. there have been other circumstances like that. we know if a malaysian official is reporting this type of thing, how close is that official really to knows what they're thinking on the inside. and this does not seem like the kind of speculation that investigators would make and just throw out there, you're right, because of the families and other residence not to do that. >> right. so, tom, david, thank you for putting your intelligence to it. yes, the pressure emotionally and practically is to want answers but the job is to test it. kate. coming up next on "new day," we've been talking about tracking the signals detected by pinger locators in the southern indian ocean. but what do we know about the technology they're using. we're going to break it down with a top aviation analyst coming up.

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breaking overnight in the search for flight 370, the signals detected by pinger locaters are those consistent with aircraft black boxes. what do we know about the pinger locaters used by the chinese and australian ship ocean shield. jeff weiss is here. you're here to discuss all these possibilities. >> right. >> the location these signals were detected, are you as optimistic as authorities in australia are that this could be what we're looking for? >> i would say guardedly optimistic remember this approach is a long-shot approach. the chances of finding something by acoustic ping without narrowing down the search area

with surface debris is very small. as authorities say, miracle do happen. >> let's compare the chinese pinger locater as opposed to what's being used on board the "ocean shield." a tow locater. >> what the chinese are using is a system designed to be held by divers, so very shallow water. you sort of aim it in the direction that you think the ping might be located. it's very directional. >> so in a situation like this, that's a little risky to be using that for such a gigantic area. >> right. the manufacturers have told me it's barely -- operating right at the range of what is possible. it's only remotely possible that they could find a signal located so far down. >> compare that to the one being used, the u.s. technology on board the ocean shield. >> much more sophisticated technology. >> this is something pulled behind a ship. it operates way down deep in the water. it's got these wings, so almost operating like a telescope

mirror, gathering the sound so it can detect a much fainter signal. further down in the water. >> 20,000 feet. >> this is a lot better bet. >> moving on to what are the reasons pointing us to believe that these pings are likely the wreckage. >> first of all, the frequency does not occur in nature. this is not something that a whale can make the sound. >> water can play tricks on you. >> it is noise si under water. i would take this against the argument of the validity of the pings oovps. there are two separate events. obviously the plane can't be in two different places. this shows us there can be false positives. >> you say you usually know a ping when you hear one. >> as we've said earlier, it doesn't sound like a whale. >> we, of course, know that the right search area, we believe -- >> we don't know why they thought this area was the most likely place to find the plane, but it is in that area. >> big search effort going on. nine military planes, three

civil planes, 14 ships. we know the "ocean shield" is continuing its own area. "h.s.s. heck co-"is on its way. >> this is a ship designed to do this kind of thing. it's designed to look into the water and try that to locate things. >> of course, they get the blue fin 21 after they can tell that that is the wreckage. they'll send this underwater autonomous vehicle down to capture more images, correct? >> when we get proof, it's going to come from this. this is a machine, it looks like a torpedo. it goes under the water, up and down around the under water ridges. it's very sophisticated. it can stay for over a whole day. it's chugging along. it's painting a picture with sound, but it looks just like -- when it's processed, it looks like a picture you take from a spy satellite. >> not there yet. >> not there yet. >> thanks so much.

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good morning and welcome once again to "new day," signals from the indian ocean have been picked up by pinger locaters in the search for malaysia flight 370. the yellow dot to the south is where chinese crews found signals over the weekend. further north is where the "ocean shield" picked up signals. the frequencies are consistent with those given off by black boxes officials are still, of course, urging caution until this source is confirmed. chris? >> even if the signal is picked up again, that will still be the easy part. the hard part is how they're going to figure out how to get almost three miles down to pick up whatever is sending that signal. let's start our coverage with erin mclaughlin. she's live in perth, australia. >> reporter: that's right, chris. in the 11th hour they made an extraordinary discovery bringing

new hope to the search for missing malaysian flight 370. a month into the search for flight 370 malaysian officials announce what they describe as the most promising lead yet. >> the towed pinger locater depart from hms ocean shield has detected signals consistent with those emitted by aircraft black boxes. >> reporter: today australian authorities say those signals are consistent with transmissions from the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder. >> the audible signal sounds to me just like an emergency locater bee con. >> reporter: the ocean shield picked up two distinct pinger returns here in the northern part of the search area. these signals detected more than 370 miles away from the area where a chinese ship picked up two audio signals on saturday. britain's "hms echo" has been moved there to investigate. they don't believe it's related

to the ocean shield find. >> i would say unlikely they're the same event. but in deep water funny things happen with acoustic signals. >> reporter: officials stress they need to find wreckage before they can confirm any of those pings are related to the missing plane. >> we haven't found the aircraft yet. we need further confirmation. >> reporter: right now the australian "ocean shield" is still out there searching for a third ak cuss tick event in the hopes that they will be able to narrow down a potential search field and deploy an underwater drone to look for wreckage. only then will we know for sure if this is related to the missing plane. chris? >> let's break down, richard quest, what we know, what we're hoping for and what is a little juriry. we'll get to the last about why they took the flight path.

what do we know about where they're searching and the success they had and why? >> we need to start by saying that is ocean shield, that is hash 101. if we an mate the arc, the first thing to note is we're absolutely on the right arc. it's clearly there, so it's on the southern corridor. the northern part of it, but it's exactly where it's supposed to be. from there we've had two events at "ocean shield." two events, one of more than two hours. that is exactly what they wanted to hear it's not just enough to here the beep, beep, for a little bit. you need to hear it for a sustained period of time to show that it's continuous. >> the reason they're setting aside the chinese finding right now is more practical than political. it's about the duration, sustained nature of what they picked up? >> absolutely. they heard that twice, once for two hours and minutes and the other for 13 minutes.

it will take them several hours to turn "ocean shield" around and go back again to have another listen. >> it's a big ship. also because they are dragging something over a mile of cord behind them. >> absolutely. let's see what happens when they do that. once they've actually got the next confirmed hearing of the pinging, then they can start to deploy the underwater submersibles. then they can actually start to put these into the water. >> no easy task. >> no easy task, and because the depth at tens of thousands of feet, 4,000 meters, that sort of depth, it is actually at the extremity of the availability and the ability of these machines to get down that far. but they are very encouraged. i think that's what you've got to keep remembering this morning. if the way in which angus houston talked about very promising, the most promising lead, optimistic, all those sort of phrases were used, more so

than perhaps they were saying when they were talking about hash 101's discovery. the part where we have to check ourselves is this is very promising, but it's going to take time for them to get to this point where they can even start looking on the bottom of the ocean. >> and what is troubling is no debris. no debris has been found in this area. >> usually you find the debris first and then start listening. >> correct. since no debris has been found, it does raise the question, what is there? was the debris there and it's simply dissipated because it's been more than a month. >> which is possible. >> was there not much debris to start with because of the way the plane went in. >> yet the gyre in the event, the circular current. >> right. we muss on the allow ourselves to be distracted by possible

whales and other things. they've got to keep firmly on what they know in that particular area. >> you were very high on the seismic air gun earlier. >> perhaps i was wrong. >> never seen it yet. speaking of being wrong, let us segue into what is now being discussed. we did know that they believe that the plane made a left, went over kuala lumpur, over the strait of malacca, into the china sea and started to come south. they're still saying that. now they seem to have a new spin on what they think happened and why. tell us. >> if you see the way the map shows it, what it shows is it goes out from k.l., around and it's this bit here that becomes crucially important. the way in which it comes around, if we close it, you'll see it in more detail, it obviously skirts the northern part of indonesia, and it does

so -- we know because they've said they believe the plane is being flown in a deliberate fashion. >> they've been saying that since the beginning. it confirms that this is more likely to have been done by human hand than by accident, but why? >> well, was it to avoid indonesian radar or, as someone like myself tend to view, was it simply to avoid going over the land mass of indonesia itself. >> how would a pilot know what the outer range of radar was? >> les arbon makes the point that he doesn't know where radar transmission begins and end and he couldn't tell if he was being interrogated by radar. here is the difficult part. thailand clearly picked up -- we know thailand picked up on the radar. we know malaysia picked up on radar. incidentally, did nothing about

it, but still picked up. indonesia has come out in response to cnn questions and said they did not have any site or sound of mh370. >> at least it confirms they would be telling the truth if this scenario is accurate. >> absolutely. whatever reason why, i have always said -- you know me. i go through mechanicals, nefarious backwards and forwards on this. i'm still not entirely convinced. the fact of the deliberate nature of the rounding of indonesia speaks volumes because they know that is accurate. >> i don't know anything when it comes to aviation, but i do know investigation. i still feel there's no basis for understanding of nefarious intent or what was done by pilots in this situation that warrants leading the families down this corridor of belief by authorities and also smearing the pilots without evidence at this point. >> i always say it flew this direction. it came down here. they're looking in that area and we're best leaving it there for

the moment. >> that's right. the most important thing is to find it. we can leave all the questions until that -- richard quest, thank you very much. kate? more breaking news this hour. a possible make-or-break day in court for track star oscar pistorius, he's testifying in his own defense. through tears he immediately apologized when he took the stand to reeva steenkamp's family assuring them he was loved the night she was killed. he also said he was simply trying to protect her. robyn kurnow has been following all the developments from pretoria. robyn? >> reporter: after that very tearful apology to the family, oscar pistorius also describing he's on antidepressants, he needs sleeping pills. he still has a very emotional reaction to the event of valentine's day. >> i'd like to apologize and say there's a lot of moments and there hasn't been a moment since this tragedy happened that i

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welcome back. we're following breaking news this morning. pings detected in the indian ocean that could be flight 370's black box. officials are calling this their most promising news yet. let's break it down with mary ski ave. vo, also miles o'brien, cnn aviation analyst and science correspondent for pbs "news hour." good morning to both of you. mary and i talked about this earlier. i know where she stands on this. they call it their most promising lead yet. if it's not the pings yet from the black box, what else do you think it could logically be? >> it's hard to come up with a scenario. again, this doesn't -- it's not

a whale because of the intermittent nature of the pings and the predictable intermittent nature of the pings makes it pretty much a unique identifier. so i don't think the natural world would provide us with anything that would match what they apparently are hearing, and the fact they were able to track it for more than two hours even gives it more credence. >> that goes to where i'd like to go with you next, mary, let's break this down even further. what about -- what evidence we have gotten so far with especially the ocean shield pings leads you towards this is it? >> well, there was another little piece that to me was most intriguing, and that is they had two distinct pings which would lead credence to the theory that they had both the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder and they would have two different pingers on them. they said at one point they were

able to pick up the fact that there were two different ones. if you had one sort of machines, say another ship in the area with some kind of device emitting a 37.5 megahertz signal with this one per second cycle, it would be unlikely you'd have two. so i think that the right megahertz, the right frequencies, the right repetition, one every second or almost every second and the fact that they got two of them really does get people thinking that you've got the plane and you've got both of them in relatively close proximity of each other. >> on the flip side, miles, is there anything here that doesn't fit at least to what we know so far? is there anything that leaves a question in your mind if this is the black box? >> i don't have many questions about it. the big question will be, of course, the difficulty in recovering. this particular flight path if this is, in fact, the location of the wreckage, would match some of the scenarios we

predicted for a lower speed, lower altitude track which would have put it more to the northeast which is where, in fact, we found the wreckage. the big question on a lot of our minds in the aviation world is this remarkable fact that it's possible the wreckage is beneath the sea without anything floating on the surface. that's an extraordinary thing. >> that's exactly what i was going to follow up and ask both of you, mary. you said it was possible -- i remember we we talked about this a bit at the end of last week. what do you make of the fact that there is no debris field right now? >> well, it would be a rare event -- i think when we talked before i mentioned i used to teach aviation history. the college students would be amazed that occasionally they would still find a plane intact from world war ii on the bottom of a lake -- not usually an ocean, a very rare event but it still happens occasionally. but in modern aviation very

rarely except with small light planes. you still find small light planes that alight on the water and signal. remember "miracle on the hudson" with sullenberger and styles on the controls, they quickly got ships out there and put ropes and cables on there. it didn't float forever, it floated long enough to get the team off. literally they had lines on it very quickly to keep it from sinking. it's a rare event. it's possible in his fri that it happened. usually it breaks up. >> miles, this is the most promising lead they have yet, which is a great thing. what we also need to remember is they are still up against the clock in terms of the battery life on the flight data recorders, on the black box. if the battery would go out now, would you say they are no closer to solving this because they still have not narrowed this

search field? >> let's remember the range on these pingers is supposedly according to the manual about two miles. this is about three miles of depth there. so already we're at the very edge of their capability, so if you're hearing them you've honed in on a pretty good location. so even without pings, there's technology and submersibles that can go down. maybe you have to get other submersibles that can go deeper. the ones on site, this would be right at the limits of their ability to dive, but you could get down there and using sonar technology, start mapping the ocean floor, and the wreckage will be quite obvious on a sonar return. remember air france 447, they found that wreckage long after the pingers were silent if they ever worked at all. >> that's good. but let's hope it's not two years before it happens in this case. miles and mary, thank you very much. great to see you both as always. kate, let's take a quick break on "new day," the shocking

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breaking overnight in the search for flight 370, two signals were picked up that are consistent with aircraft black boxes. this follows other new details about the path that the plane possibly took before it turned for the indian ocean. a senior malaysian official tells cnn the jet flew north of

indonesian air space and may have done so to avoid radar. let's bring in former uk adviser of the defense michael miller. let's focus on this flight path. first, let's throw up that animation. from the beginning i'll tell you, michael, they have said they believe the turn was deliberate in that obviously they made a left turn after they had gone over malaysia to come on down. what more are we learning here? what's your take on this new information? >> let's go from the point at which we think it turned. >> okay. >> i've always questioned the validity of the data coming from malaysia in terms of how did they know it was malaysian 370? if they knew it was malaysian 370 in this postwar order, post 9/11, a wide body jet, it's a big blip on your screen.

it's traveling about 300 miles an hour and going across the country, it's unidentified, it's not ifr flight plan, not bfr flight plan. what doing there? i can't believe if the malaysians saw this and didn't know what it was, why they didn't interrogate it and ultimately put up fighter jets to have a look at it. >> let's throw up the new zoomed-in version of this flight path. it's the same flight path, but showing it going around the tip of indonesia. >> it goes right across malaysia there. if i was part of the malaysian authorities and i had an unidentified airplane going across my country, i would be worried about that, especially after 9/11. that was my first question. if we look at where it's bending around to the south, there's a lot of conjecture about was it trying to avoid radar. >> what is your take? >> territorial waters extend about 12 miles off the coast. combined with territorial

waters, enter national air space does the same thing. you reach enter national air space 12 miles from your sovereign territory. >> as a pilot you could know how far away from indonesia you need to go to get into international waters? >> yes, 12 miles. this huge radar head, the top of sumat sumatra, that can see out to about 125, 150 miles. just because you're not in international air space, doesn't necessarily mean you're not going to be seen by radar. if you're wanting to avoid radar, then i would be taking the aircraft well beyond 150 miles. i would be taking out to 400, 500 miles, i'd be reducing the altitude and that way is the best way to potentially avoid radar. there's no way of knowing. there's no radar warning receiver -- >> you don't think if they were trying to avoid detection they did a good job. >> absolutely right. radar theory is quite complex.

the person would have to get into all of the ins and outs of how it works. if they were trying to avoid radar, they weren't doing a very good job. i find it inconceivable that the radar in indonesia didn't see anything. i'm still questioning that. >> a lot of questions remain on all of this. so we have this flight path. i wonder what questions you have and what information you would want to get from the black box if they did pull them out that you think would shed light on what happened up here. >> i think what we've got to do. this evidence of these two signals that we now know are occurring in this location -- we've got to try to corroborate it in another way and not put our eggs in one basket. the air marshal said he can't quifly believe these black boxes belong to 370 until he finds a

debris field. they have to find it with an auv or use the maritime surveillance aircraft. that would be one way. the other way would be looking at, well, if this is the track and this data has already been crunched. what we've got to remember here is the way this investigation has panned out is really sort of rewriting the history books in terms of aircraft accident investigation, it's all been done through the satellite. what we've done is effectively we've bypassed the haystack to find the black boxes. what we've done is missed out on the haystack and at the moment there's potential that we might be able to find the black boxes without the debris field which would be phenomenal. >> mary schiavo was saying this is a huge coup for maps, refining data points that they've realized. we've got a lot more questions

and we're not there yet. michael, great to see you thank you. time for the five things you need to know for your new day. number one, as we've been telling you, an american pinger locater picked up two signals from the indian ocean. unmanned subs could be sent down to see if it is the black box from malaysian flight 370. emotions running high in the oscar pistorius murder trial. the track star is on the stand right now describing being the target of crimes and break-ins at his parents' homes and his own home. earlier he apologized to rieeva steenka steenkamp's family. a bill to restore long-term unemployment benefits for 3 million americans expected to pass in the senate. but the bill could have a tougher time getting through the house. hollywood legend mickey rooney has passed away at the age of 93. he had one of the longest showbiz careers ever, appearing in more than 200 films. tonight, college basketball's champion will be

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welcome back to "new day." new signals detected by a u.s. navy pinger locater are con sisz stent with data recorders and

follows the discovery of signals by chinese crews over the weekend. could either event be the big break in the search for flight 370. let's talk about it with van gurley, and vp and general manager, group manager of tell dine marine systems. that company makes the equipment that the chinese use to make these unconfirmed sounds. good to have you with us. is it the big break? are these signals consistent with an aircraft's black box pingers. we'll put the question first to you, van. >> i'm much more confident in the signals picked up by "ocean shield." couple of things there. first, they are already in an area that was deemed to be the highest probability area. even more importantly, they held the signal now for extended periods of time, up to two hours, and if you have a signal that's repeating every one second like the pinger should for a two-hour period, that doesn't just happen in nature.

nature isn't that regular. that leads me to believe that i think the ocean shield is on to something. >> thomas, it's that consistency in the signals. they picked it up for just over two hours, correct? >> i agree. ha is correct. the important thing to know is you're towing a body at very slow speeds over a device on the bottom of the ocean and you should be able to detect it for a long period of time if the defim trio oh. >> say that word again, defimetry. >> tell us how this thing works. >> what we make is a set of detectors that are used by divers. they're shallow water equipment. when you saw the chinese using it on their boat, they are using a piece of equipment not designed for that application. it is designed to detect a pinger. this is a 30-day aviation pinger. it's live if we put it in

saltwater, it would work perfectly. >> got to put the transdueser down -- >> here what would happen is we would listen for the acoustic signal. if it's in front, you would hear it. if it's to the side, you would not. the range is typically a kilometer or so. detecting at the depths that the chinese we're talking about is right at the detection limit of a system that puts this kind of energy out and the receiver that has that kind of -- >> the chinese were said to be utesing with some adapter. van, as an oceanographer, you know the challenges of dealing with that level of depth. we know the "ocean shield" is using the towed pinger locater. it's much more sophisticated. >> specifically built to look for these types of signals. again, we have the right gear in the right body of water picking

up the signal we expect to hear. again, it sound to me like we're on to something. again, nothing can be confirmed until they get the next piece of gear down there and get images of something on the ocean bottom. >> cautiously optimistic. the tpl is not without its challenges, you have to tow it at a very slow rate and turn the ship around to get right back on the mowing the lawn pattern that you're going to go in the opposite direction. >> that's correct. as has been discussed, it takes a long time to reel this out, deploy the system because it's on a long cable. once you have it out, you have to keep the ship on a constant slow speed with no changes in heading so you get a nice good track. when you get to the end of the track, you have to either reel it in or turn the ship. i think they're retrieving it, turning it around and redeploying it. it takes a long time which is why they're being cautious about expectation management. >> expectation management,

something we can all use. >> thomas, were you surprised to the chinese were giving this a shot, using it in this fashion? there's pressure from their countrymen, a bulk of passengers on the jet are chinese nationals, were you surprised they used this in that way? >> it's quite surprising. we've sold this product to them probably five-plus years ago for other applications. they have multiple in country. the reality is we sold it for a different application. it says something about whether or not they have a deep water pinger locater. the chances are they do not, they don't have anything to contribute the way the navy tpl does. >> van, i wonder if you can give us an idea of the challenges you're dealing with in that depth of water. angus houston said funny things happen in deep water. give us an idea of what he was alluding to. >> there's two pieces.

the way sound moves through ocean and water is very dependent on the temperature and how the temperature changes with depth. so you'll get weird patterns where you may hear something and it goes away and comes back. that's fairly well understood in underwater acoustics. so i think that's probably what he was referring to. but then the challenges for the next phase of getting equipment down on the ocean bottom at tremendous depths at very high pressures, that takes special engineering. they have some of the gear on "ocean shield." they may have to bring more in because of the depths they're working for now. >> they have to get there, confirm this is the wreckage and there are so many steps. we have to remind people in our cautious optimism that there are so many steps before any of this mystery is even begun to be stop. >> i want to say a big thank you. always a pleasure to have you both with us. chris? >> wouldn't it be nice if we were at the beginning of the end. even if it is the beginning.

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officials are urging caution, but do believe they're on to something here. it's very tricky. we brought in indra petersons to take us through the science of why it can be so confusing. the first thing, this is all about telling me what i don't know, sound in the ocean. tell us how fast it trovls. >> the biggest thing people need to realize, water and air, two completely different mediums. we'll pull up this graph and show you in the water we talk about sound traveling 4.3 times faster than it does in air. this is important because that means you're going to see that sound travel farther, so you're going to have to calculate this. you're also going to have to calculate all these pressure differences in the water as well and changes in the pressure as well. even though you may hear sound and say it's farther away than above the ground, you still have to figure out -- it's not a straight line where the sound came from. >> the calculations require

assumptions. still guesswork in there. >> a lot of guesswork. changes with heat, cool, warm. >> once you figure that out, you deal with the question what are the things we're hearing? >> let's listen to the sountd first so everyone knows what the sound is we're talking about. so very faint. you can hear that. that's displayed at a sound we can audibly hear. this is supposed to be at 37.5 kilohertz. keep in mind this sound may not be as strong. they may not be able to hear this sound. of course, a lot of things change sounds under the sea. most importantly, this sound under the water is emitted by a lot of equipment. it's not just the black boxes that emit the sound. we've been talking to a lot of experts saying there's a lot of things the militaries use, the divers use that have this exact frequency at this exact same

interval in the water because they want to locate their own equipment. there's a lot of things with that frequency there that we can learn about it. >> the corollary is that while the sound is similar and the frequency is similar, the period that it's been repeating and cycling through is somewhat unique to black boxes, that's why they had confidence and started on that track. >> correct. they're saying there's still equipment under the sea with that exact same frequency. that's what you have to keep in mind. >> now the phrase of the morning, the seismic air gun. i used it as a nickname for richard quest. what is it? >> let's listen. >> that's what he stounds like. >> definitely sounds a little different. that's the first thing you want to realize. one of the things you want to keep in mind, this is what they use off a ship. ships trail this as they're trying explore the oil and what's underneath the water. remember i talked earlier how far sound can travel under

water. there's a lot of places they're exploring in the water there. there is the potential that they are still seeing ships in this region looking for something under water but they may not want to admit it. it harms marine life. talking about a blast that is a billion times stronger. people don't want to admit they're doing this. >> that leads to the third theory shooting off the seismic air gun and you're irritating the whales and maybe they're talking about it. >> let's listen. >> that's my stomach. do we have the actual -- the whale, they sound differently. obviously they're using sensitive monitoring equipment. they would know if it were whales. >> we have the intervals to be concerned. the chance of this being a whale, probably not likely. >> as the show was going on and people were speculating about the debris field, that triggered

something in your science head about whether you believe there's a reason. ordinarily you find debris and you start looking for the pinger. this is going on in reverse. where is the debris field? you have a theory. >> we have the search area farther to the north than where it was originally. there has been a tropical cyclone, equivalent to a category 5 cyclone. we have a map. notice we moved the field farther to the north, this cyclone went right into the region. remember category 5, that's the strongest you could potentially be seeing out in the water, one of the strongest they've seen in a long period of time. easy to see why the debris could have been disbursed. >> there are a lot of possibilities that can keep their optimism. appreciate it. very helpful stuff. kate, over to you. coming up on "new day," a

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newsroom with carol costello. have a great day. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking overnight. new hope. >> new developments over the past few hours has been the most promising lead we have had. two new pings. >> we detected about 50 more minutes or so of this pinging. >> consistent with the plane's black box. >> it will sweep over that area, take a series of still pictures, transmit it to the vessel on the surface. >> are we closer to finding missing flight 370. >> there will be a positive development in the next few days if not hours. >> new information coming in every hour. and breaking right now -- >> i would like to take this opportunity to apologize. >> blade runner oscar pistorius taking the