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newsroom with carol costello. have a great day. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking overnight. new hope. >> new developments over the past few hours has been the most promising lead we have had. two new pings. >> we detected about 50 more minutes or so of this pinging. >> consistent with the plane's black box. >> it will sweep over that area, take a series of still pictures, transmit it to the vessel on the surface. >> are we closer to finding missing flight 370. >> there will be a positive development in the next few days if not hours. >> new information coming in every hour. and breaking right now -- >> i would like to take this opportunity to apologize. >> blade runner oscar pistorius taking the stand. >> i can promise that when she
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went to bed that night she felt loved. >> reporter: a special edition of "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me. breaking overnight, what's being described as the most promising lead yet in the search for malaysian airlines flight 370. the australian naval ship "ocean shield" picked up signals from what could be the dieing batteries of the so-called black boxes. the ship is outfitted with high-tech equipment on loan from the u.s. navy and considered extremely reliable. >> i've heard the -- what we've got is we've got a visual imitation on a screen and we've also got an audible signal. the audible signals sounds to me just like a locater. what we're talking about, there
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were two separate pingers. >> cnn's will ripley is in perth, australia with more. good morning, will. >> reporter: good morning, carol. right now the ocean shield is literally in a race against time, listening under water, trying to find the signals that the ship found twice over the weekend, signals that could help solve the mystery of flight 370. it takes about eight hours to do just one pass and time is literally running out possibly hours before the batteries in those black boxes fade away for good. if this really is the missing plane, and that's still a big if, how could you even begin to describe such a discovery? >> it certainly would be a miracle. if this does turn out to be the aircraft location. >> reporter: miracle, a strong word with an even stronger warning from u.s. navy captain mark matthews. >> i caution not to be overly optimistic here.
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we have work to do before we can say we have a true contact here. >> reporter: matthews' team is on the "ocean shield" using a tp lfrnlts listening for pings from mh370's black boxes. over the weekend they heard two promising signals in the southern indian ocean, one held for more than two hours. >> what i would like to do before i say with certainty it is the aircraft is, one, reacquire the signal, two, deploy the autonomous underwater vehicle to map the debris field and switch out that sonar with a camera unit and take photographs of what would be the wreckage. >> reporter: slow and tedious work nearly 15,000 feet, almost three miles down. the extreme depth pushing the limits of the understand water drone, the blue fin 21 that would do a visual search for wreckage. >> we're jumping to conclusions. we need to reacquire the signal to confirm it is the aircraft.
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>> reporter: their biggest obstacle, time. the black box batteries are rated for 30 days, a deadline that's already passed. >> cautious measured optimism. we certainly want to reacquire it before we say, yes, we've done something good here. >> reporter: caution definitely is the key word here. it's so important. as of right now, there's still a lot of work ahead and still no official confirmation this is connected to flight 370. i've been on the story for several weeks now. i have to tell you, this is the first time talking to the team members that you can sense excitement. there were even cheers when the pings were announced over the weekend, that they had detected these signals. cautious optimism, definitely lots more to do. >> we're keeping our fingers crossed. will ripley, thank you so much. american ingenuity is playing a key role in the search, supplying both the high-tech pinger locater and the underwater drone that would
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canvas the ocean floor. cnn's brian todd takes us inside the manufacturer, phoenix international, for a closer look at what the pinger locater can and cannot do. >> reporter: some weeks ago we had access to the facility near washington, d.c. at the company that makes the towed pinger locater and the bluefin 21, the autonomous under water vehicle that can rove around. what is extraordinary here is usually the towed pinger locater, before they deploy it, the manufacturers told us they have to find a confirmed piece of wreckage from a plane. only then do they really deploy the towed pinger locater so they can narrow down the search area. this discovery if it is indeed the black box that they've detected over the weekend, would be extraordinary because they did put the pinger locater in the water as kind of a last ditch effort, a shot in the dark as trying to find this thing, even though they didn't have a confirmed piece of wreckage and if it is, indeed, the signal, it would be a fantastic pull for
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this device. it does have some limitations. it can go up to 20,000 feet below the surface of the sea. it can detect the pinger locater from up to two miles away. but there are things that can obstruct it. under water obstacles like mountains and hills under water can disrupt it, bad weather can cause problems. as will mentioned, also, it has to make long passes. it takes hours to make long, slow passes over an area. that is a restriction as well. there you see the animation of the bluefin 21. that is not tethered as the pinger locater is. the bluefin 21 has more flexibility, it can go to great depths and it does map the debris field. what it's got is a side scan sonar capability and picture-taking capability which is key here. it will likely go down to the area where the pings were located, try to take some pictures, see what's there, map the debris field and send the pictures back to the vessels. that's going to take some time. but now the work of the bluefin
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21 is very, very crucial. >> i was wondering why they didn't launch the bluefin 21 right away. >> it's a matter of narrowing down the search area. they said, again, without a piece of wreckage confirmed, putting the pinger locater in the water was a risk. some people called it a waste of time, a waste of resources. it looks now like that may not be the case. but you really in most cases, according to the manufacturer, you do need a point where you can start. you need some kind of a piece of wreckage, something indicating that you're near the area where the plane went down before you should use these resources. they didn't have that this time, but they got fortunate maybe, maybe. >> brian todd, many thanks. i want to bring in thomas altshuler, the vice president of teledyne marine systems, the manufacturer of the equipment
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the chinese used. first i want to talk about the pinger detector on the ocean shield. officials say it will take days to confirm if the signals came from the black boxes. why is that? >> well, they want to go through and do several passes over the target they've seen and understand the signal that's come back. there are naturally occurring and there are other types of systems that emit at the same frequency. so verification and basically locating a smaller area where that pinger might be will allow the bluefin 21 to be more efficient when it goes and starts to map using the side scan sonar. >> commander william marks says the "ocean shield" with that pinger locater on board, it picked up a signal that was strong and faded away as the ship moved away, right? that would mean that the block boxes are in one place and the signal would be louder and as you move away it would get softer.
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the signal was also sustained he says for up to two hours. what does that mean? can you explain? >> that's what you would think would happen. if you're relatively close to the pinger on the path of the locater they're towing behind the vehicle, you would find you would be far away and moving at a knot, maybe two naughts. you're picking it up. you pass over the top or adjacent to it and you pull the sled past and start to lose the signal. at the speeds the ship is moving, at the ranges that the pinger locater, the towed pinger locater can detect, it is quite probable you would see as much as a couple hours of detection. >> with a couple of hours detection, that seems pretty meaningful to me. of course i don't know what i'm e talking about. that's why you're here. what more do they need to convince them that these noises are coming from those black
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boxes? >> well, given the cost of what we're trying to do is and the efficiency of making sure you have a good use of your resources, spending more time over top of a potential target has no downside whatsoever. the pinger has a lifetime. you're looking for that sound t. bluefin 21 doesn't have panger detector on it. once you put that asset in the water, you're not using the pinger anymore, you're using the debris field as what you're looking for. nair roeing the search area tighter will be more efficient. >> let's talk more about this chinese vessel. it picked up the sound using a different kind of pinger locater, if you will, about 350 nautical miles from where the "ocean shield" picked up sounds. your company made the type of devices that the chinese were using. are those devices reliable in this instance? >> no. in reality -- i have one right
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here. let me see if i can get it up. it is a device made for shallow water work. it's designed for a diver to go in at a few hundred feet and look for a pinger, look for some kind of emitting device in the water. so if you go forward and you think about this, you're putting this in the water. you're hoping you get a strong enough signal deep in the ocean. it is very low probability that you would actually see that. it's not impossible, but it's really a glimmer of hope you would say. given the strong detection by the navy system. that's a much more attractive target to look at. >> that type of pinger -- we're looking at the pinger locater device the chinese were using. it doesn't look like it could detect sound at any great depth in the ocean. >> it's designed to go to 600 feet. it's particularly -- you can put
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the device to 600 feet. it's all going to be about how the sound prop gates in the water. it has to do with the fundamental properties of the ocean, the temperature, the sal lynnity. it's hard without understanding the water column right at that point to understand how far, what kind of range it can detect that. but it is -- the device that we manufacture is for shallow water applications. >> thomas altshuler, thanks for clarifying. we appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come, nic robertson tells us about a developing twist in the disappearance of flight 370. nic? >> reporter: senior malaysian officials tell us they believe whoever was flying mh370 was trying to avoid radar detection. more on that when we come back after the break. at your ford dealer think? they think about tires. and what they've been through lately.
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there was another big development the to tell you about this morning, flight 370 skirted indonesia. the source told cnn whoever was flying the plane was skillful enough to successfully fly around indonesia as it vanished from the radar. the question is why. tom foreman is here along with nic robertson, also with me les ab bin, a 777 pilot and contributor to "flight msh magazine. what did sources tell you, nic. >> reporter: they believe whoever was flying the plane was trying to avoid detection.
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they don't know why that was the case. what they do say is obviously after trying to avoid detection there, the aircraft then flies off to a very remote part of the southern indian ocean where there wouldn't be a lot of radar detection either. the inference they're taking, whoever was flying it was hoping to get somewhere where -- to travel somewhere without detection, without people knowing where they were going and to end up somewhere remote. of course, this sort of adds in to the information we had in the early days where the flight takes off from kuala lumpur, flying towards beijing, makes that hard left, flies back across the malaysian peninsula. the question back then, was this some kind of turn because of mechanical failure? now with these other turns that they're seeing more accurately, it gives praps a fuller picture of whether a mechanical picture
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may have been there, as well as a better idea of the psychological profile of whoever is flying the aircraft, carol. >> thomas, it is true the plane flew around indonesia. take us through the final route. >> this is what they've been talking about. up here it turns in theory, you would say if it were going this direction and somebody is not controlling it, it would naturally go right down over here, but instead it did turn again here. then, as it continues on its way, it goes out here and this is really what they're talking about. look at this. right around this point, this sweep around the tip up here before heading south. the question is, if they were disabled, if there was a massive fire and people weren't able to function at all, how would this happen, although there's a possibility they were partially able to function in some fashion and then head down here. it just really isn't clear. the pattern has been there for quite some time, carol, we've talked about this. what hasn't been clear is any
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motivation. what we're really talking about is i understand knees officials saying they think there is a motivation. if they were trying to go somewhere, where were they going? there's effectively nothing out here, carol. >> supposedly if a skilled person was flying the plane, thaw knew how much fuel was available, right? >> they would know. there's no way they had extra fuel on board. they would know where they were going. yes, there are tiny islands in some places out here and a lot of conspiracy their rifts say they were going to those islands. but that would be an easier thing to spot than the idea of searching for something under water. there's been no evidence of any of that. again, this goes to the nature of why did the plane disappear, not where it is. >> right. les, first off, even if the plane flew around indonesia, it was still in an established flight pattern. why wouldn't indonesia still pick it up? >> well, it's a perplexing issue to me. tom articulated it well.
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it makes no sense. as a pilot, i have a good idea where air space is. as far as how far the radar extends, i really -- i really don't have a clue on exactly how far -- i naturally assume that i'm going to be under radar contact, primary or with a discreet code via the transponder. it makes no sense to me. i think this is something that occurred, that deg dated the flight controls. to me it's a big hole in this whole situation. there's no way i would consider the fact that i would be undetected, especially going across malaysian peninsula first and then around and out into the middle of the ocean. it makes absolutely no sense to me at all. >> okay. so another clue, but it doesn't really lead us to any answers.
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nic robertson, tom foreman, les abend, thanks so much. oscar pistorius takes the stand and offers a dramatic apology to reeva steenkamp's family. >> there hasn't been ha moment since this tragedy happened that i haven't thought about your family. >> coming up next, we'll take you live to pretoria, south afri africa, for more of this moving testimony. i'll be right back.
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we'll get back to our coverage of the missing malaysian airlines flight in just a minute. first to another big story we're following today. for the first time, we're hearing from oscar pistorius in his own words about the night he
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shot and killed his girlfriend reeva steenkamp. this morning the olympic runner took to the stand in his own defense. in an emotional apology, pistorius choked back tears as he spoke directly to steenkamp's family. >> i'd like to apologize and say there's not a moment and there hasn't been a moment since this tragedy happened that i haven't thought about your family. i wake up every morning and you're the first people i think of, the first people i pray for. i can't imagine the pain and the sorry and the emptiness that i've caused you and your family. and i was simply trying to protect reeva. i can promise when she went to bed that night she felt loved. >> cnn's robyn kurnow joins us now from south africa. robyn, tell us what it was like
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in the courtroom. >> reporter: you couldn't see his face because we can only broadcast audio. in that courtroom it was very powerful. he was standing up and he seemed trembling, obviously crying, sobbing when he made the statement. what was interesting about it is he turned his back to the judge and directly addressed reeva steenkamp's mother who was sitting there. i couldn't see her face or her reaction on television. it looked like she was quite unemotional, at least on television. as for oscar pistorius, he made a real effort to try and look her in the eye and apologize, so much so that the microphone wasn't picking up enough of his conversation and the judge had to say to him, listen, i know you want to look that way, but you have to address the court and kind of told him to turn around and speak to the court, not to mrs. steenkamp. it was a very powerful piece of -- it was very difficult to watch actually.
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it felt very intimate, very personal. >> another emotional moment in court is when pistorius talked about how he has trouble sleeping because of nightmares following steenkamp's death. let's listen. >> i have terrible nightmares about, about things that happened that night where i wake up and smell, can smell, i can smell the blood, and i wake up to being terrified. if i hear a noise, i wake up just in a complete state of terror, to a point that i'd rather not sleep than fall asleep and wake up like that. >> why did he share that story? >> reporter: sorry. repeat that question. >> why did he share that story?
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>> reporter: you know, it's a good point. i think what is so key about his testimony is that he comes across as authentic, as somebody, of course, who is remorseful and somebody who has a clear understanding of the implications of what he did. i think that was clear, he's very much struggling with the consequences of his actions. of course, that's important in terms of trying to assess the credibility of his story. so i think that plays very much into it. of course, this is not a jury system. this kind of emotional response, this emotional kind of story is not going to hold as much water as it would, perhaps, in a u.s. courtroom, the judge is going to rule on facts here. still at the same time i think it was -- played a very key role and key part in at least telling the court, telling the judge that he was authentic and he really genuinely appears to be struggling with reeva steenkamp's death and the role he played in it. >> another interesting moment is when pistorius talked about his
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relationship with guns. he related a story that his mother owned a firearm. listen. >> my mother had a lot of security concerns. we obviously grew up in a family where my father wasn't around much, so my mother, she had a pistol, and she would often get scared at night and she would phone the police. >> where did she keep her firearm. >> my lady, she kept her firearm under her bed -- under her pillow in a padded little type of bag. >> i would suppose, robyn, he related that story to show he grew up with a sense of insecurity at home and always felt he needed protection. >> reporter: exactly. it wasn't just that story. that was powerful in itself.
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remember, we've had this information come out. he always kept his gun under the bed. it wasn't just that story. i sat in that courtroom and i think his list of how he or friends or family had been affected by crime went on for about 45 minutes. example after example, he listed throughout his childhood, adolescence, recent adulthood, crimes against friends, hijackings, home burglaries when he was a kid. he went over and over how vulnerable he felt based on all these experiences. of course, this is important why? because he said all along he was terrified. he thought reeva steenkamp was a burglar. the fact he was so terrified plays into his side of the story and he needs to back that up by saying why was he so scared, and this long track record of sort of a connection to crime,
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vulnerability to crime in addition to the fact that he also felt vulnerable without his prosthetics on all plays again into the defense's case. >> robyn kurnow from south africa, thank you. court is over for the day. it will resume tomorrow and i would presume oscar pistorius will again take the stand. still to come in the newsroom, electronic signals from deep below the surface of the indian ocean. are we closer to solving the mystery? i'm m-a-r-y and i have copd.
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indian ocean have been hoping form. australian and chinese ships picking up signals that officials say are consistent with those sent by a black box. officials saying, quote, it is the most promising lead to date. joining me now cnn aviation kres spon debit richard quest. good morning. >> good morning. what a weekend it was. >> should we be hopeful? we've heard this song and dance before. >> yes, but we've never really had the optimism we were hearing over the weekend or late last night from angus houston. he is the man who is in charge of the australian operation. he used phrases like the most promising lead, he's encouraged, he's optimistic. to be sure hearing those pings on two separate occasions from what they believe are different devices -- in one occasion it lasted for more than two hours which is exactly, carol, whatout want because you want a
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continuous sound. and the second one was for 13 minutes. again, a continuous sound. remember, ha"haixun 01" only hed it for 9 0 seconds or so. the fact that "old shield" heard it give them great optimism and that it's in the right place. they have refined the satellite handshake data. they now believe it puts it exactly where the "ocean shield" is. >> just to show our viewers, this is what they're looking for, one of the black boxes. light here is where the sounds would be coming from. you can see it's not very big. the other important thing is the pings were 37 kilohertz. why is that important? >> it's a particular frequency, 37.5 kilohertz is the frequency that those pingers transmit on.
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it's a frequency designed to be heard not by the human ear, but by acoustic listeners. those acoustic listeners will then provide both a visual reference point, a wave form, and an audio sound which can be heard then by the ear. the pinger is not only designed for the 37.5, but the rhythmic one-second pings. there's many noises in the ocean. some of them are mammal made. others could be from other machinery. the sound -- we learned last night and over the last few days sound travels far, especially if it gets into the deep sea sound channel. but the pinger, the very noise of the pinger is designed to be unique. it is designed to be identifiable, and that is why angus houston said last night he was encouraged because it had the characteristics of the black
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box noise. >> if the black boxes are somewhere in that area, why is there no evidence of debris anywhere around it because they've searched a why area around that spot, right? >> and there you have put your finger on one of the most troubling aspects of the discovery. because they now have to triangulate, basically hear the pinger again and again and again. and by doing that, work out exactly where it is. and one would hope that they're in the vicinity, the very close vicinity and not on the outer extremities. but you might have hoped, and it would have been nice to have some debris, anything to back up that claim. because here is the problem, carol, even a month on, there should be something. and even if the plane ditched in the water in the most gentle fashion, the experts say it would have broken up in some shape or fashion. and even if it went down almost intact, something would have
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broken off simply by pressure. so the weakness of the moment is no debris which is why the planes are going back over there to extend that area to see if they can find any debris. also, they will be bringing in the autonomous submersible that will go down once they have relocated that ping. >> richard quest, many thanks as usual. still to come in the "newsroom," a high tk british ship is in the area where search crews heard the pings. renee marsh joins me with what they think the ships will do. >> we'll flush out what can "hms echo" do and will it help determine if those are truly the pingers from mh370. that's straight ahead. ♪ ♪
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a british navy ship called "hms echo" is now in the area where the chinese ship detected two audio signals. the echo is equipped with a state-of-the-art sonar that can map the ocean floor. as you know, two pinger detectors picked up sound within 350 nautical miles of ooch other. >> the hmo heck co-in the general vicinity of where the chinese patrol ship detected the pinging sounds on friday and saturday. the goal is to try to find that sound again and either confirm or rule out that it is from the black boxes belonging to flight 370. now, keep in mind this area is different from where the australian ship, the "ocean shield" detected pinging sounds on two separate occasions. the first one for two hours, the
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second for about 13 minutes. let's talk more about the "hms echo." we know it is designed to chart the sea floor with state-of-the-art sonar capability. i want to show you two examples of the images the ship has generated in past missions. these images from july of last year when "echo" made surries of 20 shipwrecks on the seabed near libya. you're looking at what it's capable of doing. on this particular mission near that chinese ship, with we know that "echo" would be using two principle pieces of technology. the first one would be passive sonar. the second one would be active sonar. so the passive sonar simply sits in the ocean and it listens. it's listening possibly for the pinging sound. the active sonar, what that would do, would feed out energy and waits for a return response. that would help the vessel in locating debris.
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despite the fact that two pinger detectors picked up -- on sunday about a dozen people gathered to pray and light candles for the 239 people on
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board. the husband of one passenger told cnn, quote, if the plane is there, it's there, we can't change it. but i'm still hoping for a miracle to map. until they physically locate the bulk of the plane with the -- a few bits of pieces of wreckage are pinging could just be planted evidence meant to distract us. some of those families do fear that news of that pinging nose is giving them false hope that this mission try will finally be solved. joe johns has more on why so many relatives are sick of everything at this moment. >> reporter: foreign media including krrkcnn covering the missing plane mystery are taking heat in kuala lunchtime pmpulum.
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bruised the malaysian national self-image. some malaysians say they are being portrayed in a negative light. this protester says the information which has been disseminated is inaccurate and not based on fastballcts. the malaysian defense minister was so incensed over a piece in the london daily mail of the i motional state and marital problems of the flight's captain. >> i want to confirm that i don't think it came from the police and how daily mail got that information, you would have to ask daily mail. >> reporter: the daily mail did not respond to cnn's request for comment. the cab cabinet had asked the malaysian general to advise on media action for false
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reporting. private individuals can sue in civil court for libel and slander. though a practicing attorney doesn't see the government escalating tensions with the media. >> you see these statements, which perhaps it is political in nature. you have to show that we're not just taking it, we will give it back if need be. whether they should actually take that action, do be completely honest, i doubt that they will take that cost. >> reporter: legal issues aside the politics of flight 370 are extremely sensitive here, especially when it comes to the plane's captain. he's been described as a supporter of the country's opposition leader who defends the pilot's reputation but has harshly contribute ski lly crit government's handling of the investigation. >> but when they continue to conceal information, i have grounds to be more suspicious. >> reporter: in response to such
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talk, the malaysian defense minister recently went on the reported issuing a firm denial of what he called the extraordinary assertion that the government was somehow complicit in the crash of mh flight be 70. i'll talk to one expert next hour who says the detection of those pinging sounds coming from the ocean could be that haystack. that's ahead on the next hour of newsroom. [ laughter ]
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er . let's talk a little college basketball because the championship tips off tonight in arlington, texas. can you believe who's vying for the title? no one can. uconn will take on the kentucky wildcats. both teams were absent from last year's tournament. uconn was banned for poor academic performance and kentucky did not make the cull. my bracket's dead. >> no one could have predicted this game. you didn't, i didn't. and the only one who is had this
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in their bracket went to uconn or kentucky or go there now. preseason number one team in the country after bringing in arguably the best freshman class ever. fans were so confident they started wearing 40-0 t shirts. over the last two weeks t superfreshmen, led by the harrison twins, that's why even though they're eighth seed, they're favored to win tonight's game. but if there's one thing we have learned, you can't count out the uconn huskies, they have pulled off -- at uconn, they don't have the superior talent like kentucky. >> we have a lot of heart, coach always told us that this is a special team and he's been saying it all year, he said it all last year, this is a special
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team and we really believe that. >> hopefully connecticut is on that big billboard, whatever jerry jones called it, it's says we're national champions and that's all we want. >> reporter: one kentucky fan actually saw this run by the wildcats coming all along. people called him crazy back then. but now, carol, he's one win away from looking like a genius. he'll be here at the stadium tonight to watch the game in person. tipoff between uconn and kentucky tonight, the late one, between 9:00 and 10:00 eastern. you might want to mix in a nap sometime this afternoon, so you can stay up late and watch the game. >> come on, andy, make a prediction, come on. >> i'm going with the young kids, kentucky, they are favorites, they have got several mcdonald's all americans. we'll see if the youth can win
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out tonight. >> i'll take uconn just to be cantankero cantankerous. the newsroom starts now. breaking overnight, new hope. >> the new developments over the last few hours has been the most promising we have had. >> two new pings. >> we detected about 54 minutes or so of this pinging. >> consistent with the plane's black box. >> it will sweep over that area, take a series of still pictures, transmit it to the vessel on the surface to see what they are looking at. >> a positive development in the next few days if not hours. >> new information coming in every hour. and breaking right now -- >> i would like to take this opportunity to apologize.
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>> blade runner oscar pistorius is taking the stand. >> i would like to take this opportunity to apologize. >> that night she felt love. >> a special edition of newsroom starts now. good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you so much for joining me, we begin with breaking news in the search for that missing airlines flight 370. it's being called the most promising lead yet. an australian navel ship equipped with a u.s. pinger located has detected two signals in the southern indian ocean. officials say the ping matched the frequency of the plane's beacon. investigators are also investigating pulses picked up by a chinese search crew. the batteries on the plane's black boxes could have just hours until they run out.
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hi, will. >> reporter: hey, carol, it's important to note, there were really two searches happening simultaneously right now. there's the search for debris that continues taking off every day from the air base where i'm standing and then 1,000 miles from here, there's the search under water. and that's what's happening right now with the ocean shield. they are listening under water with that listening device, trying to relocate those signals that they found twice over the weekend before the black box batteries run out. if this really is the missing mean and that's still a big if, how could you even begin to describe such a discovery? >> it certainly would be a miracle if this does turn out to be the aircraft location. >> reporter: miracle, a strong word with an even stronger warning from u.s. navy captain mark matthews. >> i caution not to be overly optimistic here. we have got some work to do before we can say that we have a true contact here.
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>> reporter: matthew's team is on the ocean shield using a towed pinger locator or tpl, listening for flight 370's black boxes. >> what i would like to do before i absolutely say with certainty that it is the aircraft, is one reacquire the signal, two deploy the autonomous underwater vehicle with the side scan sonar, and three, switch out that sonar with the camera unit and take photographs of what would be the wreckage. >> slow and tedious work, nearly 15,000 feet, almost three miles down. the extreme depth pushing the limits of the underwater drone. >> certainly we're jumping to conclusions here, we need to definitely reacquire the signal to confirm that it is the aircraft. >> reporter: their biggest obstacle, time. the black box batteries are
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rated for 30 days a deadline that's already passed. >> cautious, measured optimism, right? we certainly want to reacquire it before we say yes, we have done something good here. >> reporter: caution really is the keyword here, carol, because you think about these families and all of the false hope that they have had over the past few weeks, only to have those hopes dashed. so i think the real tone that officials here are trying to take is that they want to investigate this to the fullest. but they also don't want to jump to any conclusions, they say we owe it to the families of those 239 people. >> will ripley, reporting live from australia. thanks so much. want to talk more about those new signals heart in the indian ocean now. r ron -- welcome, gentlemen. thank you for being here, rob, this is a huge search area, so if indeed, those sounds are coming from one of those black
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boxes, would you a categorize this as one of the luckiest finds ever? >> the word luck is preparation -- any search leader has ever had and it's a reflection on the careful work that's being done by the people in the back room who are retro knave gating their way through the radar signals through the hand shakes to give us this point on the ocean. >> the signals were strong as the pinger locator got close to it and then faded away as, you know, the ship moved away from the sound. why is that important? >> well, it gives an idea of what the location is. and what they will do now is to map the relative signal strength at different points in the ocean and draw a diagram to get the
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most probable exact location. >> so, i guess that's why, rob, they're not sending downing that drone submarine right now, we thought it would go down today but it didn't. >> what they want to do at the moment is keep towing the locator across that site and every time they do that, it takes around seven hours to run across the area and then turn and at the end and come back again. they're frying to triangulate, they're trying to take different bearings, different measures to find exactly where the location of that sound might be. >> what happens then? >> i think they will be able to find it. and in fact it was interesting because early this morning just after midnight, we had that press conference and then cnn was able to contact a commander on the ship and he said that
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they had received signals from the pinger for two hours, 20 minutes and then after they had gone further, made a turn and come back, they located more pinger activity for about 13 minutes, but i asked the gentleman, was the signal identical? and he said no, it was slightly different. which means that hopefully, both of the pingers, one from the cockpit voice recorder and one from the data reporter are both from the same area, emitting signals that happened to be very slightly different but identifiable. >> interesting. so rob, a question for you. if these sounds are indeed coming from those black boxes, why haven't we found any debris in the general vicinity? >> it's a good question. and i can only think of two reasons. one is that the aircraft, you know, went into the water relatively intact.
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you know, as a result of a belly landing or, you know, a very high speed straight down dive. but that's the first reason. it just simply didn't break up. and the second is that we didn't get to this area until ten days or so after the start of the search and it may have all drifted away. but it's a good question. >> and paul, can you get into that little more for us? because you think they would have found something. even if the plane did that belly landing, as the plane sunk under the ocean, it would have broken apart, wouldn't it? >> well, i would think so. i mean on impact, i don't know that a 777 would land going at the speed it was, which was 310 knots without breaking apart. you would expect to see debris floating. >> like how hopeful? i don't want to give false hope to our viewers because we have heard it before that they were cautiously optimistic and nothing came of anything.
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so rob, how hopeful should we be? >> you should be fairly hopeful. you need absolute proof, you need to sight wreckage either on the surface or on the sea floor. but they have been through the area twice, they're using the very best gear, the very best people. they wouldn't make an announcement unless they were on to something good. >> paul, do you agree? >> yes, indeed. i think they have been very, very cautious and they have been very good about not going overboard when it comes to making statements to give false hope. so i believe we have something real here. and it will solidify, of course, one piece of baggage would really, really make the case. >> something. robert mechanica mack -- the head of an international airlines group says it needs to set a global standard for tracking lanes.
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the families of those on board flight 370 are struggling with the notion that those pings may be coming from the plane's black boxes, many families holding out hope until they get tangible group. a few bits and piece and ---pau has more for you from bay jing. >> reporter: the families are
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cautious about the new reports of the pinging sounds. here's the dilemma, they want concrete information, but if they get confirmation that those sounds are from the black box, it would be the devastating final word on what happened. this woman says, my direct response is no matter if it's two hours of pulses or the frequency matches the black box signal, it's only a lead, a lead that brings us closer to where the plane is, but we don't know if the reports are true or false. the husband of a woman on the plane says he's coming to grips with what happened. >> it may be time in the next couple of days or the next couple of years, we will find the ending, but there will be a time that it will end. to me, i don't want that it is
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. we have been telling you about the pings detected by the pinger locators on board the ocean shield out there in the indian ocean. investigators say they're confident that these pingins ma in deed be coming from black boxes from flight 370. rosa flores has more for you. >> reporter: this could be the key to solving the mystery of malaysia airlines flight mh 370. >> all of the hydraulics are running. >> reporter: an underwater piece of equipment that works in the
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what's your policy? this morning off the coast of australia, search crews are racing to track down the most promising lead yet in the sunny for that missing air liner. the australian navy ship ocean shield has picked up signals from what could be the dying batteries of the flight recorders, the so-called black boxes. brian todd joins us with a closer look at what the pinger locator can and cannot do. >> reporter: the pinger locator is an impressive piece of equipment. this is phoenix international, a company in maryland that manufactured the towed pinger locator as well as the autonomous au vehicle.
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a picture of that device, it looks like a torpedo. but the pinger locator looks like a short try angular device with a fin on top. that's the piece of equipment that may have detected the black box signals. the pinger locator can pick up signals at 15,000 feet. it can detect the signal up to two miles away. it does have some limitations, bad weather could affect it in an adverse way, under water obstacles could affect it in an adverse way. so it could have some capabilities that are impressive, and it may have some drawbacks as well. but it could have made a major discovery in this case. >> how dependable is this device, brian. >> it's very dependal. they say it's very consistent and in the last 18 years it's been used four times in major commercial crashes in water, and in three of those times, it was
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successful in finding the pinger, including the egypt air crash in 1999. the only time it failed was in 2009 it passed over the box of the air france plane that crashed in the atlantic, air france 447 and it did not detect the signals from the black box and that's because the pinger became dislocated from the black box and may have been damaged. they say the success of the pinger locator speaks for itself, carol. >> brian todd, reporting live this morning, thank you. we'll go back to our coverage of that missing flight in just a minute. but first to another big story we're following today. a dramatic day in court as olympic athlete oscar pistorius takes the stand. he has consistently said her death was a tragic accident. he said it was a burglar in the bathroom. today he fought back tears as he apologized to steencamp's
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family. >> i would like to apologize, there hasn't been a moment since this tragedy happened that i haven't thought about your family. i wake up every morning, and you're the first people i think of, the first people i pray for. i can't imagine the pain and the sorrow and the grief i have caused your family. i was simply trying to protect reba. i can promise you when she went to bed that night, she felt loved. >> legal analyst sunny hostin and matthew galugow, thank you to both of you. oscar pistorius started with that emotional statement, he spoke directly to the family, turning his back to the judge
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even. was that effective? >> i think it was necessary and it was p effective. he has to show and prove to everyone that he was not trying to kill his girlfriend that night obviously. so demonstrating that he has this genuine remorse. it would have been very strange if he hadn't cried, if he hadn't been remorseful. >> sunny, he's been emotional in court the whole way through. he went on with his emotional testimony by telling the courtroom and the judge that he had trouble sleeping, that he had nightmares following steencamp's death. listen. >> i have terrible nightmares got things that happened that night, where i wake up and i smell blood and i wake up to
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being terrified. if i hear a noise, i wake up in a complete state of terror. to a point that i would rather not sleep than fall asleep and wake up like that. >> and sunny, he went on for about 45 minutes, detailing how when he was a boy, he was very afraid of crime. in fact his mother slept with a gun under his pillow. those are his earliest memories. what is the defense trying to establish here? >> i think the defense is certainly trying to humanize them. they're trying to explain why he would have behaved in a manner than was completely different than his training. because we know this is a person who's very familiar with guns, he's certified in how to use guns. he knows that under south african law, he has to assess a threat. someone has to really be
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approaching him, if indeed he believed that was a burglar, that person was supposed to have approached him before he discharged his firearm. he was familiar with all of that. so the defense has to now prove to this judge he behaved differently to his training because he was in this sort of state of sheer terror, because she wasn't on his prosthetic legs, because of his training in south africa. because of his mother, because of the need he felt to protect reba. and i think so far, he's doing a decent job at that. the judge ended the testimony very early today saying that she felt he looked exhausted. so certainly ily these demeanor in the courtroom is helping him. but i agree, it's really about what happens on cross-examination, because we know he killed her, he admitted to killing her, it's really about whether or not he intended to kill her. >> and i guess the defense is starting to set up that process right now, because they talked
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about pistorius's prosthetic legs. earlier in the trial, based on forensic evidence, pistorius was not wearing his prosthetics the night steencamp was shot. listen to something that was said in court that seems to contra dick that. >> i don't have balance on my stumps. i couldn't stand on my stumps. i can't stand still on my stumps. i keep my prosthetics next to my bed and when i get up in the morning i put them on and when i go to sleep at night, i take them off. so it was during a time when i was not wearing any prosthetic legs. >> pistorius says he can't stand without his prosthetics on, and this could be a key sticking point to his defense, right, greg? >> yeah, it certainly could be. i think he's probably going to correct that statement later on cross-examination and say that
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he can stand somewhat, but he's a little wobbly, and it certainly would have been possible for him to shoot through the door while wearing his stumps. but he's already sworn that he wasn't wearing the prosthetic legs at the time he shot through the door. he's going to need to fix that probably on cross-examination. >> sonny? >> i think it sort of cuts both ways, because he has already in his affidavit said, listen, i was on my stump, and that is why i felt so afraid, because i wasn't on the prosthetic legs that i am normally on. if he can convince the judge that he wasn't on the prosthetic legs, that he was unsteady, and he felt sheer terror because he's disabled and he didn't feel as certain and as sure of himself. that testimony cuts both ways. i'm sure he's going to explain
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indonesia. whoever flying that plane was skillful enough to successfully fly around that country and then the plane vanished from radar. the question is why. welcome to both of you. >> morning, carol. >> so martin, we're assuming that whoever was flying that plane skirted indonesia on purpose, but is that necessarily true? >> reporter: it's a really good question and certainly when this report came out, it gives that impression. the malaysian government has maintained that they thought this was a criminal act. now it's easy to say why, to have the aircraft go specifically around a point, in this case, a country, i think it has to be guided in some way to do that. it's not just going to do it on its own? >> it's not going to do it on its own for sure, it can be done
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by accident, but that would be a big coincidence. >> reporter: i asked mitchell to program it in. approaching this area right here, that's the last known normal point of flight 370. and now you see the plane will have to make a very sharp, veering turn and go on to this court that mitchell has picked. we don't know the way points, we don't even know how many way points there were. but there were supposed to be -- >> about 15 way pointses. there is another way to manually do it and show us. >> and it's very simple, you just turn the knob and you select the heading of 360 degrees in a circle. you just press that button. >> reporter: and you can see that the aircraft is beginning to turn. and that can feel actually not too abnormal if you're a passenger in the back. so that's in theory the way they
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could have happened it if it happened. >> as a pilot, do you know where exactly to evade radar? >> yeah, i mean, it would be a matter of studying the charts, but it's not something that we're not used to. when you're doing that every day anyway, you look at the charts and you see the lateral boundary and the vertical boundary and say i'm going to skirt around it. >> reporter: just because you go around the country, it could be that you're trying to avoid their air space, it's not necessarily you're avoiding their radar, but don't want to enter their air space. i need mitchell to bring us up to an altitude that has been posted on the internet. here it is, if you look out front, this is the idea that somehow this aircraft could have shadowed another jumbo jet, assuming it knew one was going
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to be up there, knew roughly the course, and it would fly this close, which is actually terrifying to stay in the radar signature. in other words, two planes could effectively look as one, but i got to ask you, mitchell, what would it be like flying in the wake of something like that? >> well, imagine being, you know, behind a really big cruise ship going at full power and -- >> like following a semitruck on the highway? >> yes, all that rough air is going to be bumping the aircraft. >> reporter: and then you have to follow him precisely. what would it look like? >> if you turn the aircraft, you're going to have to match them turn for turn. >> reporter: otherwise you risk being revealed, carol. it's a fascinating idea, can you bring the plane down just a bit? and we'll give you another view
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of this. again, to think that you're going to follow and maybe be flying manually, a little lower, lower. maybe there. it would be quite troubling to try and remain this close for hours and then of course, you have to know when this guy is going to land, because if you don't, when he descends, you're left suddenly popping up on radar. >> right. >> reporter: an interesting theory, but in there particular case, it's doubtful that it was used. but looking at it from the cockpit, it's pretty fascinating. >> i want to bring in tom foreman and talk about this knows that the plane skirted indonesia. which would mean this plane took two turns, essentially, so tom foreman, take us through the plane's final route. >> reporter: if they're correct about all of their ideas about where it went, yeah, it skirted
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indonesia. the question is what kind of meaning do you put in that? it would have gone through here, across malaysia, you can see if it would have continued this way, of course it would have gone over indonesia or sumatra. then it goes out here to the tip and turns again. so, yeah, you could argue that the these maneuvers suggest that this plane was under control. would this take it beyond the territorial control of indonesia? somewhere about 14 miles off the coast there? yes, it would do that. would it necessarily take it beyond the radar range, which might be 200 miles or so? by the way, it wouldn't take it beyond the radar range. when they talk about avoiding the air space, i'm not sure
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entirely what that means. it's possible, yes, it's headed this way, but even the suggestion carol, if it was headed off for some nefarious purpose, what is that? >> because despite a few scattered islands out here, that are real small, there's no sense of where it would be going. the idea that it went around indonesia, that seems to be established by the data, if the data is correct, the interpretation, the idea that this was done for some purposeful reason, that's a different question all together, carol, and that's where the biggest questions have to be raised. was this an accident of a disabled crew or a disabled aircraft? or was it a design? and if it was a design, does that really avoid indonesian detection? i don't know. >> when that source told you that the plane may have skirted indonesia, did they add anything to that? >> reporter: carol, it's difficult to say, i mean what we
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can say from here is i have talked to various people who have a good level of knowledge, one who has flown this particular aircraft, this airframe before was himself a pilot at malaysian airlines, i have talked to air accident investigators and they say when you have this type of information as it is presented now -- and i have to say this former malaysian aircraft pilot is a former friend of captain za harrah's. he said i don't want to go there, but logically i have nowhere else to turn. what does he mean? it seems to him that the air investigators that i have talked to and others here i have talked to as well, say it seems that who was in control of the area, was trying to fly it into a place where it wouldn't be seen by radar, that it would sort of
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fly off, if you will, into open territory, a cone of radar silence, was how one person put it to me. and the belief and understanding that at that time of the morning t aircraft would be flying towards sunrise, which would -- put the aircraft down as gental as possible on the water, not leave a debris field, not leave a great trail of radar information about where it was at what time. potentially the person flying the aircraft wasn't aware of the hand shakes from the satellite. so the logical conclusion that all these experts come to is that the reason for flying the plane in this way was to take it off and essentially disappear. and that's why they said it's emotionally a very difficult conclusion to come to. again, this is their theory, a number of experts theory,
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there's no evidence to prove this at this time. and it doesn't answer who precisely was at the control of the aircraft. >> wow. nic robertson, thanks so much. still to come in the newsroom, jeb bush says the debate over illegal immigration needs to move past, quote, harsh rhetoric. a live report out of washington coming your way next. ♪
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to take you to wall street for a quick check of the markets. they're down more than 100 points right now, wondering what's up with that. >> reporter: you are seeing investors get rid of risky stocks before first quarter earnings season. first quarter earnings seasons begins this month and that's when they're going to be turning in their reports for january, february and march of this year. investors want to see some hard numbers before they continue pumping up the stocks as much as stocks were pumped p up. today what you're seeing is a lot of the big name momentum stocks losing ground like google, amazon and facebook. the dow and the s&p 500, they touched big highs before we left for the weekend. some are saying the weakness may be just temporary, especially when you look at tech shares, although the nasdaq has been
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taking a beating the last couple of sessions. thank you so much for joining me today, at this hour starts now. huge news in the search for flight 370. officials say new developments could happen in not days but hours. still time the running out. plus an emotional oscar pistorius takes the stand in his own defense and begins with a tearful apology to the family of the woman he killed last year in his home. >> and from child star to one of the biggest names in film history, the life and career of hollywood legend mickey rooney who has died at the age o