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the married congressman caught kissing a staffer. now her husband is talking, breathing new life into the scandal. your "new day accou" starts rig. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate balduan, and mikial. >> the final resting place of flight 370. let's look at the map, shall we? look down here. you will see thes australian ship ocean shield. these four spots with the pings they've picked up. these two are the new pings. you can see they're in the same area. that's what's giving the optimism that they believe they're in the right place. the duration of them not as long. about 5 1/2 minutes. the other one about 7 minutes. but that is four separate signals deteched since saturday. okay. they're optimistic but thiey knw
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they're in a hurry. >> officials are now declaring they are optimistic the jetliner or whatever remains of it will be found in a matter of days. let's get straight over to erin mclaughlin live in perth, australia, with the latest. great news to start the day, erin. >> reporter: that's right, kate. after two days of silence there is new hope in a search for missing malaysian flight 370. searchers are now firmly believing that they are looking in the right place. >> i'm now optimistic that we will -- we will find the aircraft or what is left of the aircraft in the not too distant future. >> reporter: breaking overnight. ocean shield has acquired two new signals consistent with flight 370's black box pingers. officials say all four signals have now been detected within 17 miles of each other.
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>> what we're picking up is a great lead. >> reporter: officials say the sounds detected were not of natural origin and likely from a manmade device. but scouring the sediment at the bottom of the ocean will prove difficult. >> the silt on the bottom will complicate that search. >> reporter: today's search efforts intensifying as resources comb the shrinking search area, roughly the size of south carolina. so far, the debris found has not been linked to flight 370. adding to the urgency, the dying batteries powering the black box pinger now past its 30-day expire rags date. >> the signals we picked up recently have been much weaker than the original six signals we picked up. so that means probably we're either a long way away from it or, in my view, more likely, the batteries are starting to fade.
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>> reporter: once they are certain that those batteries have expired and they've narrowed down that potential search field as much as possible, only then will they deploy the underwater autonomous vehicle capable of finding the actual wreckage. chris? >> let's stick with why there is cause of optimism. we have richard quest here. >> good morning. >> take me through it, professor. what is it that is making them so anxious now about feeling that they're on the right place? >> well, i think anyone who heard the conference, the news conference that angus houston gave last night, you couldn't help but be impressed just by his confidence both on the fact that he has now pretty much determined the two new ping areas. the whole distance between them all, this is roughly 20 odd miles or so from the top one in the north to the bottom one in the south. >> the chinese one are gone. >> forget about that, polite niceties that may be said,
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they're not concerned about this. this is without doubt. i say without doubt. the authorities are very confident that what they are now looking at is the final resting place of 370. and more than that, they believe that as long as they can keep doing and going around and finding more and more, and they were asked again and again, why do you need more pings? what's the importance of acquiring more pings? >> yes. >> because the more you get the tighter the area becomes that you finally have to search on the ocean bottom. and what angus houston said is, he will not be happy until he has visual sight of wreckage. it is only visual sight of wreckage which will give him certainty and the families closure of what has happened to the plane. >> purely skepticism on your behalf that they're picking up pings but not seeing any debris. >> no, because they talked about it. that's why he also said they written tense fiing the search.
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if you stand back. they are intensifying the search in this area over here. and the search by aircraft over here is what they believe is the 30th-day forward drift of the debris or anything that's come from the aircraft. in the past we've always thought you had to find the debris and reverse drift to where you believed the wreckage was going to be. now they're embarked on forward drift. now they think it's down here. >> these are the two new pings. >> these are the two new ones. >> they're going in that direction. >> they're forward drifting where they believe it would have gone and that's here. these pingses are getting weaker. he said that again and again. that could be one of two reasons. firstly, because they're a long way away. he doesn't believe that. he thinks they're getting weaker because the battery life is actually getting weaker as well. the batterys are dying. and i think there's something rather -- well, poetic, whatever
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one would say, that this little device that costs 150 bucks, couple hundred bucks, the pinger, has done its job. it went into the water 33 days ago. and for 33 days it has literally been saying, i am here, i am here, i am here. and now finally they've located that. they've heard it. the batteries have done its job. they've got to find as many of those pings as they can. >> wouldn't it have been good if the civilian aircraft have what the military do that the black box ejects and floats to the surface. >> that and if the plane had been in transmission. there's a conference in may where they're going to be discussing exactly that. should planes give better tracking of their police. >> it's one of the important reasons to keep covering the story, to pressure the search and also to get answers to why it happened in the first place. last point of curiosity. okay. so they're finding the pings.
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they know they're racing against the clock. seems to take a long time for them to make passes. why? >> and i will show you. bring out and you will see the tpl, the towed pinger locator. bearing in mind this has been 3,500 feet below. it is towing that much stuff behind it. it can't stop. if it stops the tpl will sink to the bottom. >> right. >> so it has to keep moving. it is moving, according to angus houston, at walking pace. so the interesting part about it is it takes about six hourses to do a sweep, a turn, and a sweepback again. if you look at the timings of these two, we got the timings last night, you see just about is correct. and that's why it's got so much stuff. i think it was something like
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3500 meters off feet. i'll correct that in a second, we behind it of what it is towing. >> i remember it being feet because you have almost a mile of cable out. every time they make a turn they have to be careful and you make the right point, which is if they do it wrong it will drop and break. >> i think it might be meters because it's 1,000 meters off the bottom. 3500 meters down below. >> i thought they said it was close to a mile. that's why it's taking a long time. that's why they have confidence of the new pings. they believe here in the right area. the big discovery is when they find actual debris. >> he did say last night two things on that. he thinks it's going to be a matter of days before the autonomous vehicle goes into the water and he says it won't be too long, he doesn't believe, before they will have some debris. >> thank you for coming in this morning, professor. always a pleasure. >> thank you, reverend. kate? big story overseas this morning. the standoff in eastern ukraine with pro russian demonstrators taking over government buildings
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and calling for a vote or succession from ukraine. overnight the ukrainian government taking a stand of its own declaring the unrest would be resolved in 48 hours either through negotiations or the use of force. cnn's nick paton walsh is live in eastern ukraine with the latest. it seems to be only geth more tense rather than de-escalating, what's the latest? >> of course, kate, the real reason why it's so tense is these 40,000 russian troops on the border just miles from where i'm standing, the moscow says we have no reason to be alarmed ability but nato is very concerned. but each time we see tensions dissipate in these three city where's pro russian activists take over buildings, suddenly it flares up again. last night a crisis in liuluhan.
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we have this 48-hour deadline from the interior minister saying, yes, negotiate all force perhaps two days from now. where i'm standing in donetsk, the local administration held by four days by pro russian activists. now they have erected substantial stone and tire barricades with razor wire backing it up. they're t not going anywhere, and the clock is ticking. with implicit threat from the russian war. >> let's hope it doesn't break out. i was shocked when i saw a brawl break out even in the parliament over all of this. nick paton walsh, thank you. let's go over to john berman now in for michaela. oscar pistorius being cross-examined this morning in his murder trial. prosecutors showed a graphic image of reeva steencamp's head wound. he broke down and then court adjourned. earlier pistorius described the moments after the shooting
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including the futile effort to save steencamp. more breaking news. toyota recalling nearly 6.4 million vehicles worldwide. 27 models are effected including the rav 4 suv. that's crossover suv. the automaker says there are a range of problems involving models from 2004 to 2010, potentially faulty steering, airbags, seats, starters, and windshield wiper motors. we'll have more on this coming up. a marine is in custody this morning after shooting a fellow guard to death in a north carolina base. military officials say it happened at the main gate last night. they have not released the names of the shooter or victim. this happened nearly a week after a soldier killed three people and then himself at ft. hood in texas. later today, president obama and first lady head to texas for memorial service for those victims. this morning stores connecticut is title town usa.
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the uconn women routed notre dame, 9 -- 79-58. it happened one night after uconn men did the same. impressive but not as impressive as women. 40-0, finished. it is a record ninth title for the coach. connecticut is the only school, by the way, to win men's and women's titles t in the same season and they have done it twice. >> wow! >> twice. a lot of people saying this connecticut team last night may be the best. and they've had a lot of very good ones. >> in uconn, they've had a lot of good teams. >> this one may be the most complete team they have. >> congratulations to them. big night for connecticut. thank you. let's get over to meteorologist indra peterson in now for the forecast. how is it looking? >> finally better. we've been waiting long time for spring and now we're starting to see conditions improve. the system that did bring light showers yesterday is exiting offsho offshore. in the southeast there's still a couple of showers. a lot of people going out to
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augusta for the masters. showers out there but don't worry, by tomorrow for round one, things are clearing up. gorgeous conditions. the only thing we're left with is maybe light winds. we don't care. it's been so cold, such a long winter, we want this. it's the pattern change. jet stream lifting to the north. warm air moving in. not always a good thing when you get too much warmer. very dry conditions. the middle of the country. some of the plains down through texas today. we do have a red flag warning. that is the fire danger out there. farther out to the west, chance of record breaking heat. so close, not quite there. it is hot. triple digit heat already. nice and mild. we like this but, of course, by the weekend, maybe a little bit of chance for rain. but, yay, wednesday. >> wednesday. >> it's the new channel, yay, wednesday. >> first time i've ever heard anyone saying that. >> i'm trying. >> there was something that -- >> you show me yours. >> do your wednesday.
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prosecutors were showing a graphic image of reeva steencamp's head wound comparing it to a video of pistorius blowing up a water mmelon at a n range. court had to immediate adjourn as pistorius broke down violently sobbing into his hands. the prosecution showed it would waste no time taking pistorius to task. take a listen. >> by took reeva's life. >> you killed her. you shot and killed her.
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won't you take responsibility for that? >> i did, my lady. >> say it then. say yes. i shot and killed reeva steencamp. >> i did, my lady. >> it's drebt airect and it's o. robin, what's your take? >> well, this was really the state coming out, you know, very hard, very tough. the intent, of course, was to rattle oscar pistorius from the beginning. for the past two days he's been giving his testimony. of course, it's not any longer. >> you made a mistake. >> that's correct. >> you killed a person. that's what you did. >> i made a mistake. >> you killed reeva steencamp, that's what you did. >> reporter: the cross-examination of oscar pistorius opened with the prosecution on the attack. >> let us get to the truth. >> i'm here to tell the truth. i'm here to tell the truth as much as i can remember. >> reporter: after the defense
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had the olympian on the stand for more than six hours over the past three days. >> i had her head on my -- on my left shoulder and i could -- i could feel the blood was running down on me. >> reporter: oscar pistorius finally detailing the moments after he shot and killed his model girlfriend reeva steencamp. >> i was shouting, screaming for him to help me get her to the hospital. >> reporter: he says he desperately tried to save her life. >> i had my fingers in her mouth to help her try to breathe. i had my hand on her hip. i was trying to stop the bleeding. >> reporter: the defense making oscar pistorius meticulously recap minute by minute. >> reeva had already died once i was holding her, before the ambulance arrived. so i knew there was nothing that they could do for her. >> reporter: the amputee discrediting them when he said
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he broke the bathroom down with a cricket bat. the defense trying to disprove witness testimony, discussing statements from the neighbors on either side of pistorius' home. neighbors, the prosecution never called to the stand, who say they never heard a woman's voice that night. >> she heard loud crying and not a woman screaming. >> reporter: pistorius continuing to proclaim his innocence. >> i did not intend to kill reeva, my lady, or anyone else, for that matter. >> so through much of this morning's testimony, even during the early part of today, we saw oscar pistorius trying to keep himself composed, his jaw was often clenched, he was speaking directly again at the judge. however, the beginning of this quite dramatic cross-examination, everything changed. he started sobbing. his head went forward in his hands. he refused to look at that picture of reeva steencamp and he was rocking forward and backward praying.
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he's not in court at the moment and of course he has to come back, this has to continue and it could take days. >> robyn, thanks so much. let us know if anything else develops. this is a very unusual situation for the judge to keep stopping the trial because of his emotion. it's unusual. and some would argue prejudicial to a jury. remember, there is none. what's interesting though is the prosecution, even suggesting, i suggested, have they gone too far? the answer is absolutely not. they have to get through this sympathetic veneer that's going on with oscar pistorius and they've got to do it right away. >> in a bubble that's being protected by the judge herself there. >> yeah. i mean, there's no question. and there is a rule that you have to have the defendant give his best or her best testimony, so you try to allow them to be their best civils. he's getting every benefit of the doubt. >> reading an e-mail that his sister was next to the stand comforting him at some point this morning. i mean, it's -- i'll all seems
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very, very unusual. we'll continue to follow it because it's day by day. he's not done yet. >> and it's going -- it comes down to this. this dynamic of which vibe is going to win with that judge sitting there and she's been very stoic and seems to be on her game. >> we don't know what's going on in the judge's head just like we don't know what's going on in a jury room. >> she was a crime reporter. she's been on the bench a long time. she's very savvy and obviously in control. that's the best you can hope for when you're seeking justice. let's take a break here. when we come back, two new pinger signals. shrinking the search zone for flight 370. we are told dramatically, however, we're also told it isn't over yet. how long could this really take? we'll ask the experts. baron of the build-out. you need a permit... to be this awesome. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...
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a critical development overnight in the search for flight 370. two new pinger signals consistent with black boxes have been detected. so how much closer are search crews to actually finding the plane? let's bring in our experts, mary schiavo and the former faa inspector p good morning to both of you. so, david, what do you make of it? two additional pings. where is your level of confidence now that this is it? >> it gets stronger every time we get another ping for me because we're starting to narrow it down. i've had questions as to why they are so far apart because we're talking about three miles. if you have a temperature layer
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in the ocean that can refract that back down. that's why you can pick it up in various spots. >> let me ask you a question about that because that's been on my mind. i've seen a range of 15 to 17 miles between the furthest two pings. so that doesn't -- that doesn't concern you? that seems logically like it could still be the same box or boxes? >> it certainly does to me, yeah, it does, because of this refraction phenomenon. it will usually bounce once but not twice. that's why the more angus houston is saying we don't want to put anything in the water and start looking sonarwise until we start seeing more pings because every ping they get narrows that search down by more. they can tell by amplitude. >> we're also hearing from angus houston the signals are getting weaker. is that a concern? >> it was a concern for angus houston as well and he believes and i think he's right that it's a shine the batteries are finally dying.
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the batteries certainly gave more than their legal life. supposed to be 30 days and now at day 34. so he believes it is the case of the battery finally losing strength and not a case of them being not on -- near the signal or being too far away from the signal and not picking it up very forcefully. >> mary, do you think they have enough information to put the underwater submersible in now or is it best to continue trying to get additional pings? i wonder this because i started thinking this morning does it need to be actively pinging when you go down there to locate it? >> it doesn't have to be actively pinging to locate it but the squloint task force, the invest xwaters wanted more pings to keep narrowing in the area. right now it's a pretty -- as dade just mentioned, it's a pretty wide area. you know, granted, 15, 17 kilometers is not far when you think about how big the space was that we were searching originally. but the more they can narrow it
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in, if they can get it down to just the tightest diameter possible or radius possible in the circle, then they have a smaller place to search with those submersiblsubmersibles. and those submersibles, the sonar units are very slow. so what they want to do is know that they're right on top of it and then put down the unmanned subs. >> david, we heard for i think maybe the first time was a mention of a concern over silt at this seabed. what does this mean? it. >> could pemean a couple things. it's probable that heavy box would be down inside the silt and, plus, it's moving all the time, not dramatically at that depth but it is moving. so that's a concern. however, it helps the search in a number of ways. if you're doing sonar searches then it's going to show as something manmade through the silt. the sonar is able of seeing through the silt. the silt would mean there's fewer rocks and anomalies in the seabed.
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as far as what you're seeing on sonar it could help the search. >> mary, what do you take of the different lengths of time, the duration that they were able to track the pings? the first one over the weekend. two hours, 20 minutes. the second one, about 13 minutes. now the latest two pings, 5:32. and then 7 minutes. is there anything we can learn from that? >> well, not particularly in just in terms of times that they've been able to pick up the signal. in fact, the long one, the two hours and something seemed a little strange. it seemed very long to me. what they're doing with each pass is trying to narrow in on where the boxes are. so the fact they've gotten repeated signals, maybe not as long as the first one, is probably of more importance than the length of the signals because they though they're able to pick it up with each pass and each time they're narrowing in on where they're going to have the final destination for those actual sonar search vehicles. >> so when do you put the sonar search vehicles in, david?
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is it time today or do you continue to allow for more time to try to get more pings and narrow the field? >> i think i go until we know the battery is not giving a signal anymore. if you go another day or two without a signal and you exhaust the aerch area, at that point within 25 miles was of this prop investigation, then you're going to start narrowing it down. the two-hour thing as well, it's like being in the mountains and you're screaming down a valley. and the echo goes out and comes back. it is that's that refraction thing. it can go at various areas. if you're standing just on the other side of the peak you're not going to hear it but you might hear it further away because it propogates around. it's complex on where you are and what the pings say to you and the different amplitudes and frequencies. >> one thing that seems clear is the tone and confidence level coming from perth is very different today than it has been any day previously. so they really say they are optimistic. we will join them in that. mary, david, thanks so much.
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let's get back over to john berman in for michaela for the big stories. ukrainian government officials say pro russia protests will be resolved within two days either through negotiations or force. demonstrators have taken control of government buildingings in three cities and there are conflicting reports about whether or not they took hostages. in one city they're demanding independence and calling for a referendum to succeed like happened in crimea. next week senior officials from russia, the united states, ukraine, and the european union will hold the first four-way talks since this crisis erupted. so a major political development that will shock you or not. hillary clinton now admits she's thinking about running for president in 2016. but during an interview tuesday she said she will not make an official decision for a while because she's enjoying having a regular life right now. just a few months ago she did tell an audience in new orleans
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she was not thinking about running. so again, a major political development, or not. one of wrestling's biggest stars has died. he began his career in 1987 defeating hulk hogan at wrestle mania three years later to become the wwf champion, later renamed wwe. he was just inducted into the wwe hall of fame on saturday. just inducted saturday. the ultimate warrior was 54. a little bit after my time. stunning that he was just recognized on saturday as one of the greatest. >> only 54 years old. >> at least he got that recognition. he had that to cement the legacy. appreciate it. coming up next on "new day," if search teams are zeroing in on the wreckage of flight 370, how challenging will it be to find and identify the plane? an expert tells us what lies ahead when we come back. [ male announcer ] this is the cat that drank the milk... [ meows ]
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somebody who had some kind of blood lust, who enjoyed this to draw contrast to the sympathetic figure so far. the judge adjourning this trial more than once because of his emotional breakdowns. so this is the main back and forth. let's listen in. >> no, my lady. >> you have to speak a little louder. >> from the time i went to sleep to the time that i took reeva's life there was no reconstruction afterward. there was some points that i don't remember on that evening. i don't recall calling security or speaking to mr. babar. i don't recall switching on the lights in the bathroom. i don't recall parts of me carrying reeva downstairs.
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>> so let us just get an answer to this. i just want to know, from the time you fell asleep to the time that you shot and killed reeva, is there reconstruction of the scene or not? >> there is no reconstruction of the scene in. in a physical sense, there was no reconstruction of anything in my house. >> reconstruction of the evidence? taking into account other evidence in giving a version, did you do that? >> please just repeat that. >> did you take into account other evidence to form your version for the period? >> my lady, i think it's important to state no that i finished the court at my bail hearing with the -- with my version of what happened. my version has never changed. i knew that and i said that version before i knew any of the evidence that would be compiled
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against me. i tendered my story to my counsel. they compiled the bail transcript. the bail and statement. my story hasn't changed since then. granted in the bail there are some aspects that i spoke to my counsel with that they didn't include in my bail. the bail is an exhaustive document. at the time of my bail i wanted to give evidence. my counsel told me i wasn't stable at the time and wouldn't be able to cope with the giving of evidence. but i wrote my version of what happened that night and nothing has changed. there hasn't been -- state's case has changed many times. there hasn't been anything that has given to me that made me change what i said in those
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first couple of days. >> mr. pistorius, with respect to the court, you've given -- you've been afforded an opportunity to give evidence. don't you just want to listen to the question and answer the question? >> i beg your pardon, my lady. >> just answer the questions. i know you want to say lot of things and it's interesting you're arguing. you're not answering. why are you arguing and not answering? >> i'm sorry, my lady. >> not sorry. sorry doesn't answer the question why. why. sorry is not an answer to why. why are you arguing and not answering? >> i think with respect, my lady, difficulty in the question are other things. you make it so wide. if you put to him a certain aspect and say, is that reconstruction or is that what you remember? then i can understand. but once the witness is confronted with other things then you must expect a long answer because you try to cover whatever other things may include and not include. i think if the question is put differently to say this is what i say to you, can you tell me is
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that reconstructed or real, then we won't have what we've seen. >> without disrespect, my lady. >> one minute. >> i'm not quite sure i understand. >> my lady, the question put to mr. pistorius was, there are other things, what was reconstructed, what not. we don't know what other things. pertinently, what do you say about "a," was "a" reconstructed or your memory? but the moment you ask a question about other things, all i'm asking is the question must be put to the point and say, what do you say about a, was that reconstructed or independent memory? b, c. but to use the word other things, that's wide. it's very difficult for a witness to know what it is. >> well, i think the witness should say, i don't quite understand the question. >> yes, of course, my lady. it's still a lay person and it's my duty to stand up and maybe sometimes from a legal
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perspective bring that to your attention. i agree with that. but it's also my duty to bring certain aspects to your attention. >> yes. thank you. >> i expect lots of objections. i couldn't have put the question clearer. i never used the word other things. did you use other evidence to create your version. and i also said between the time you went to bed and the time you shut. my lady, i can't do it any other way. i ask the court to allow me to proceed with these questions. >> yes, please proceed. but the witness has already said when you said why don't you answer the question, he gave you an answer. >> yes. as -- >> he said sorry. that was the answer. >> i agree. might i just ask -- i'm carry on, my lady, with respect. now, perhaps i just didn't get it with all the objections. mr. pistorius, did you not take
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anything else into account that you read and/or heard of your version during the period when you went to bed and the time you shot and killed reeva? >> no, my lady. >> and your answers are very interesting. i take it that you know the bail application very well. am i right? >> i've read through the bail application a couple of times, my lady. at the time that my counsel -- >> you have to pick up your voice a little. >> i beg your pardon. at the time that the bail application was brought to me during my bail, i was at the brooklyn police station. i was -- i was very emotional.
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my counsel brought my statement to me. they read it to me. i wasn't able to read it. and i signed it, everything that was in there was the truth. my version hasn't changed since then. i have read it a couple of times. i don't want to try to remember the night more than i have to. i read it the day before yesterday, i read my bail statement again. so it's not very well known to me but i do know what i said there and it is truth. >> and you also know what you said in your plea explanation? >> i won't be able to recite it, my lady. >> but when counsel read it out, the court asked you if you agreed with it and you agreed with the contents of it? >> that is correct, my lady. >> and it was discussed with you before, before it was drafted,
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and agreed upon? a am i right? by counsel. >> that is correct. >> you now said there are certain things in your bail application that counsel did not put in. what was that? >> i cannot think of -- i think of the top of my head it would be reeva speaking to me as i sat up in bed, it would be phoning mr. bubba, which i don't rememb remember. i guess there would be a lot of things, my lady, statements that i made for the bail purposes was not of every minor detail that i told my counsel and i explained that it didn't have to be either. it was there for the purpose of the bail hearing.
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>> how about that. but i'm still asking you -- >> we're going to take a break dow and leaving the live coverage of the trial of oscar pistorius. again, you hear him. you don't see him because the defense witnesses aren't going to be shown on camera. very important for the prosecution to do two things. one, disturb this image of oscar pistorius as being so wildly emotional and sympathetic as if he is hurt by what happened. they don't want that to be the impression. they want that he feels sorry for himself, not for reeva steencamp. the second one is, is to undermine the basis of his story. the word they're using is reconstruction. what they're trying to say is, is this what you say happened or -- or have you pieced this together with your counsel to come up with the perfect story? >> essentially, is this what you remember or is this what you've been coached to say. >> that's right. oscar got into trouble there because he said both. this is how i remember it buzz he also read through witness testimony and other accounts in preparation for the bail hearing
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to reconstruct parts of the story he didn't remember. that's why the prosecution is going after him and it's going to continue. we're going to continue to monitor the cross-examination of oscar pistorius and bring it to you live. but still ahead on "new day," two pings relocated by searches. australian authorities saying it could be a matter of days before they find the final resting place of flight 370. the latest on the search right after the break. ♪ ♪ make every day, her day
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welcome back to "new day." breaking news overnight in the search for flight 370. two new signals detected under water. officials saying for the first time we will find the plane and it could be very soon. we need perspective. let's bring in david gallo, coleader in the search and director of special projects and oceanographic institution. mr. gallo, thank you for being with us this morning. >> my pleasure, chris. >> one thing that may change in the dynamic, time. because they now believe they're getting close rer they going to need to be as obsessed with time even if the batteries run out? >> to some extent.
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but a lot of the pressure from the media, of course, pressure from the families because we want to bring this to a rapid and definitive end. so i think there's that pressure. but certainly no race against time to be worrying about batteries much more. >> and also the intrigue that fascinates the outsiders here as you refer to, the media and even the families who are onlooking this process, what was in the pilots' heads, why did this happen, what's the motive, let's get that black box. searchers need to remove all of that, right? that is completely irrelevant to them. fair point? >> yeah. on air france one of the keys to that is to block out all of that. to get the fewest people possible in a room with a white board and fresh sharpies and put down what's important on the board. you're right, we try to block all that stuff out and stick to one mission, which was to find that aircraft and recover the black boxes. >> it is often easy to criticize and that's certainly going on here. but having led a search of this nature before, how impress red
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you that they've been able to find and pick up the pinger signal dealing with everything that they have as variables in this situation? >> you know, it was a hail mary pass and it was caught in the end zone. you know, apparently for a touchdown. it's amazing to me that this has happened, going down the way it's going down. i think it's -- there is cautious optimism but everything looks really good right now. >> and do you think people might be losing sight of that? we were very heavy on it in the beginning how vast this ocean is in this area of the globe, how it's farther away from any point on land than anywhere else. how deep it is. easy to lose sight of and just get frustrate with the success. yes? >> yes, that's absolutely true. but i think there will be lesson to be learned when we get down and work on the bottom and realize how rough that's going to be because you have to worry about the terrain, the water depth, the currents, the visibility. alls these things are now going to come into play because it's a place that oceanographers go to
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routine by but it takes a lot of hard work and talent and new technology. >> that's assuming everything goes well, the next set of challenges. again, to outsiders, the uninitiated, the bottom of the ocean. they say it's pretty flat there. if it doesn't fall on to the deepest part of the trench, how hard can it be? they got satellite images of the titanic, why can't they find this? what are the challenges? >> the challenges are, well, right now they appear to be work to think north side of an underwater feature. it's part of the wallaby plat u plateau. the top of that plateau is a mile and a half to get to the top, 3 1/2 miles to get to the bottom. midway down, 2 1/2 miles, is where they appear to be searching and that's right about the operational depth of the blue pfin 21. also, it could be a very rugged terrain with lots of gullies and canyons and boulders, landslides everywhere. the first search is going to be done with sonar. so it's going to be tough going
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for quite a while. >> so there's a lot to deal with still but, again, your assessment of this situation that they're saying they're optimistic. this is the best we've had so far in terms of feeling that everything is going the right way. yes? >> absolutely. we've collapsed that mega size search area down to a workable hay stack, a very workable haystack. i agree in the next few days a week or so we're going to see real progress being made. >> thank you. we take your note of caution that, again, this could be just the beginning of the beginning. it could still be a very protracted process. yours, even once you knew where the debris field was, took two years in the absence of the pingers to play with. we understand that it can take a long time but can also end successfully as we su in your search. hopefully the same thing happens here. appreciate it as always. we have that breaking news on flight 370 and the latest on the search. we have live coverage of oscar pistorius giving the testimony of his life. so let's get right to it.
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ocean shield has been able to reacquire two signals on two more occasions. i'm now optimistic we will find the aircraft in the not too distant future. >> i do believe that there is some sort of cover-up by some sort of government agency. pro russian unrest is brewing. >> special forces and agents have been the catalyst behind in chaos in the last 24 hours. you killed her. you shot and killed her. >> i took reeva's life. welcome back to "new day." breaking news at this hour. oscar pistorius is on the stand in south africa. he's undergoing a tough cross-examination. there have been several delays because he has been breaking down, very emotional throughout. the prosecution is going through several statements, challenges, challenging pistorius on that night reeva steencamp was killed. let's dip in and listen in to more of this trial.
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>> i'm reading the record. so he was hear on the balcony and -- >> if he says that that's what he put to him, that's right. if he says that's in the bail application affidavit, that's not so. distinction must be made. >> if it's a wrong statement made by him the bail application, so be it. he must in all fairness say that does not come from the bail affidavit. >> it doesn't come from the affidavit. >> i don't want to enter fee but he can read to see -- >> i can't to be clear. that's very important. thank you. >> but it's clear from the record. it's me leading the evidence and i said that's what is said. and he agreed. but that was never taken up with him. >> can you read that again? i just want to understand. >> i will. i'm leading the witness. >> yes. >> i say.
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he got up. he said he went on to the balcony to bring the fan in and close the sliding doors. the blinds and the curtains. then i quote from the affidavit. i heard a noise in the bathroom. so he was here on the balcony and he heard a noise in the bathroom and realized somebody was in the bathroom. that's what he said. and he then said that's what he said. but that's not your version today. is that so? >> no, my lady, not his version today. it was not his version then. i think in all fairness, he must just read what was the version then because in quotation is that then what was his version but today it's different. i invite him to read the bail. application, the affidavit, to see what is said, whether it was ever said that he was on the balcony when he heard the noise. >> i will do. my lady, i will read the bail affidavit. page 64.
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during the early morning hours of 14th april 2013 i woke up and went on the balcony to bring the fan in and close sliding doors, blinds and curtains. that's what you said? >> i just turned the page, my lady. if i could just read. >> read it, please. do you see that? >> that's correct, my lady. >> but there's something wrong with that statement today? >> i don't see anything wrong with my statement today. >> except that you didn't go on to the balcony. >> i don't follow what he is
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asking me, my lady. >> i think i've dealt with it but i'll go through it again. i just asked you one more question. it reads, during the early morning hours of 14 february 2013, i woke up, went on to the balcony to bring the fan in. that's not true. >> i concede, my lady. i didn't go out on the balconba. i picked the fan up which was on the balcony and brought the fan? >> may we take lunch adjournment? >> all right. they're taking another adjournment from trial right now, a pause. it's been happening a lot for usual reason and unusual reason. the unusual reason almost always is that oscar pistorius is emotionally unfit to continue in the judge's opinion. let's bring in cnn legal analyst
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jeffrey toobin joining us about the oscar pistorius matter. good to have you, professor, as always. let's start with that idea. the judge overly ssympathetic? is this just a difference between south african law and u.s. law? what do you make of her giving all of these breaks to pistorius? >> i don't think it's terribly significant. in fact, it may -- it may not even be particularly helpful to him. you know, judges traditionally are much less influenced by h histrionics, by weeping, by emotion. this has been about pistorius' reaction to the evidence, whether he was throwing up at the we defense table, you know, crying on the witness stand. you know, judges have heard all of this before. and i think, sure, she's going to let him collect himself, but at least the conventional wisdom is that judges are going to focus much more on the evidence
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than the emotional trimmings, as it were. >> she's done more than allow him to collect himself. she has given a nod to the authenticity of his emotional displays. but again, there is no jury. so as long as she keeps it in perspective as you're suggesting, it doesn't really matter how many breaks he gets. next big point will be the prosecution is coming out clearly, they want to destroy this image of him as being emotionally disturbed by the death of reeva steencamp. they want to make it that he's only upset about the jam that he's. how do you think they're doing so far? >> i think they're doing pretty well. i think there are a lot of holes in pistorius story. what he said there at the bail hearing and what he said at court. whether he went on to the balcony to remove fans before reeva steencamp and he went -- before they went to sleep. now he says he didn't move the
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fans off the balcony. again, it's a small thing but it shows that his story has changed. and, you know, they have not yet gotten, the prosecutor, mr. nell, has not even gotten to the boig real big problems in his story, why didn't he notice that reeva steencamp was not in bed with him when he started shooting at the door. why didn't he say anything to her? whos goes there, why are you there before he started shoe shooting? those are really big problems in this case and the prosecutor mr. nell hasn't even started in on that yet. >> there do seem to be common sense how do you act in that situation type scenarios for him to go through. hey, just the idea, and you'll know this from all the trials that we've covered and observed together and a part, jeffrey, to hear somebody have such detailed recollection of traumatic events is very unusual. usually trauma erases detail in your mind. so that will be something that we hear the prosecutors go after. so far the biggest moment, what
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i would suggest, is what we will call the watermelon video. >> yeah. >> prosecutors put this video on. there's a little bit of a fight about it whether they should put it on. oscar says he wants to see it. that's it. it's oscar pistorius at a gun range enjoying blowing up watermelons, making some unsavory remarks about what it approximates. why do you think prosecutors wanted it so much? what do you think it accomplished? >> well, i think it gives a very different oscar pistorius than the grieving boyfriend that he has presented himself to the judge throughout this -- throughout this case. here is someone who is obviously enjoying firing guns, enjoying the results of firing guns and making some fairly insensitive remarks about whether this was like shooting the head of a zombie, shooting this waterme n watermelon. again, it's not definitive proof that he's guilty but it's certainly very much a different
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image than the one he is presented in the courtroom. and it shows that this is a guy who is very comfortable shooting guns. and after all, that's what this case is about. >> and we have sound of the prosecutor grilling him about what actually happened and he actually did kill reeva steencamp. i don't think it's necessary to play the sound but why was it so iportant to the prosecutor? pistorius says it was a horrible mistake, my spailady. the prosecutor said, no, you didn't make a mistake. you killed reeva steencamp. >> this whole trial is about who takes responsibility. does pistorius take responsibility for what he did. and i think this exchange at the beginning of the cross-examination was a reminder to the judge, look,s there's no dispute about the central issue in this case. oscar pistorius shot and killed her. this is not about a mistake, at
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least according to the prosecution. so the prosecution was trying to put in pistorius' own mouth the fact that he shot and killed her. and he was very reluctant to do that. he kept saying i made a mistake. ultimate he did say it. i think theatricsitheatrics. i don't know how much the judge will be influenced by it. i think it re-enforces the prosecution's theme that, look, this is about a man who shot a woman. and that is the -- that was the reason why mr. nell tried to get him to say that. >> you actually made it more impressive to me now than i thought it was when i first heard it. so much i'm worried that i undersold it. let's play the sound so people can decide for themselves. >> my mistake is that i took reeva's life, my lady. >> you killed her. you shod sht and killed her. won't you take responsibility for that? >> i did, my lady. >> say it then. say yes. i killed -- i shot and killed
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reeva steencamp. >> i did, my lady. >> now i see what you're saying even more clearly, jeffrey. very important for the prosecutor to establish that this guy is running from responsibility and look how i have to force him just to admit what is obvious to everybody. >> that's right. again, this may be one of those areas where a jury might be more impressed than the judge. the judge knows, the judge knows who shot reeva steencamp. that's not a -- not in dispute at the trial in is the kind of theatrics that might be more impressive if there was a jury system but i do think in the context of a full trial it's important for the prosecution to focus on the issue of who shot and killed her and to remind people that -- to remind the judge, that we know who did it. >> and that is true. with this fusion of emotion all the people with pistorius they do have to level the playing field a little bit. thank you so much for the perspective this morning. kate? >> a lot of news this morning. new overnight, after 33
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agonizing days search teams may finally be zeroing in on the wreckage of flight 370. look at this map. two more pinger signals picked up on tuesday, raising hope the missing plane will soon be found even within days. richard quest here is back here to talk about this. this is important. they've been saying they were cautiously optimistic with two pings. they needed more pings, they said. we now have two more pings. let's start the animation. we've got it of the two new locations of the two pings. why is this important? >> because the more pings you get the better the location you can acquire to wear the box is. look at these pings and you will see what i mean. we had the first ping. 2:30. this is 13 minutes. this one last about 7 minutes. this one 5 1/2. >> let me stop you there. does the duration matter to you? >> no -- yes and no. it's not so much that -- the
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fact is they got the pings. the second thing that's important is that the strength of the signal is getting weaker. what that tells angus houston is some people suggest it's because they're further away but houston says, no, he believes it's because the batteries are now starting to get weaker. the batteries are dying. >> here are four of the pings that we have in their relative location. this ranges some 15 to 17 miles from these two. >> 24 miles top to bottom, about 5 to 7 miles, 13 miles, 14 miles between them all. what's really interesting about it is that if you were to draw the arc of the various satellite handshakes, particularly that seventh satellite handshake, that's the little one, that they now believe is when the engines flamed out, the engines -- the plane ran out of fuel. it pretty much goes right the way through the last ping. >> we have not heard them this
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optimistic. they've been very cautious for good reason. you don't want to give people false hope. angus houston seemed very clear that they are sure this is it. are they sure this is one or is this two boxes, do we know? >> one. they believe they've got one. the analysis of the pings so far done difficult the australian experts has come back as being the flight data recorder. >> okay. >> consistent. it's stable. very stable. it's very clear. it's very distinct. he says it's of a flight data recorder. but here's the really crucial point to take away this morning, i believe. they are not going to say definitively this is the plane until they have visual sight of wreckage. and he emphasized this again and again. yes, they've got four pings and -- but they want to get the autonomous underwater vehicle. bring that in and you will see what will happen. >> this is the pinger locator.
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and the path they've been taking to locate the pings. we'll throw that up there. they want to continue doing this how many more pings do they want? >> they want as many as they possibly can. he was asked that again and again. well, how many do you need? how many do you need? you've got four. until they are absolutely certain that they batteries have died, because as he said, i'll quote his words, there's no second chance. once they've gone, they've gone. you need as much information here so that when you do put the auv under water you can actually locate much tighter area into the water. >> even though this is a lot tighter than where we were no begin with. >> still take them days. he really said again and again, he is not going to say that this is the plane until he sees sight of wreckage. because that's the only thing that will give the family sort of certainty and the closure. and that is why just briefly, that is why they are now searching very intensely, much more intensely.
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because no longer do you have to search these large areas. you you can just search where you believe the forward drift of debris would have come from where the plane probably entered the water out. >> and you've got current, wind, a cyclone blow through. so that's why it's a different plane. >> absolutely. >> we'll continue to watch. that's the thing that i think is fascinating, they have yet to find a debris field. this is opposite of the direction they normally go with these investigations. >> nothing about this has been normal, from the moment at 1:07 when the acar had the last transmission right the way down, there's been nothing that concordes to anything any of us have ever seen in an air crash investigation like this. >> the search continues and intensifys because they think they really have a good lead at this moment. richard quest, thank you so much. chris? >> even better than that, kate, they say, quote, we will find it. when we come back on "new day" we're going to talk about the
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officials and why they're more confident than ever that they are close to flight 370. but then the question becomes, well, how close? we don't want any false hope in this situation, weapon the families so desperate for answers. we're going to take it apart with our team of experts and see just how close is close. feather. (dad) all right. that's ok. (dad) put it in second, put it in second. (dad) slow it down. put the clutch in, break it, break it. (dad) just like i showed you. dad, you didn't show me, you showed him. dad, he's gonna wreck the car! (dad) he's not gonna wreck the car. (dad) no fighting in the road, please. (dad) put your blinker on. (son) you didn't even give me a chance! (dad) ok. (mom vo) we got the new subaru because nothing could break our old one. (dad) ok. (son) what the heck? let go of my seat! (mom vo) i hope the same goes for my husband. (dad) you guys are doing a great job. seriously. (announcer) love a car that lasts. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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welcome back to our breaking coverage of the search for flight 370 and we have what officials are calling a potential breakthrough. they're actually being more optistic than that. why? two ping signals were picked up tuesday. australians officials are saying the missing plane could be found soon, possibly within days. their quote, we will find it.
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let's figure out why they're so confident. let's bring in mry schiavo and . david soucie, author of "why planes crash," also a former faa inspector. let's go it a little differently today, my good and savvy friends. let's do it a little more socratically. the first couple of pings, we're only a few miles away now. they get more pings and it's a bigger search area. where the s. tis the confidence from? >> the equipment they're using is reliable. second of all, it is something that can't be anything else. they're ruling out other things. they said, well, could it be a whale, could it be volcanic activity? earlier on we said those frequencies could be produced by a number of things naturally. angus houston said today they ruled out a natural event. it's a manmade event. >> why isn't it in pakistan? are we foolishly ruling out all
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of these scenarios? they used to be almost equal that it went to the south, mary. do you believe that we now have enough reason to dismiss everything else and focus on this one area? >> i do, because over the weeks that we have been following this pieces of data have come in and have been analyzed. at first we didn't have really much to go on at all but thanks to inmarsat, additional information concerning the turn of the plane, information concerning the fuel burn, possibly speeds although i don't have the airspeed down exactly but possible fuel burns. and finally, the cap stone of not the pings just on one day or two days, but now able to be replicated and be retuned in to day after day, that's the reason it's that the investigation has progressed. and we have far more data now than we did a month ago. >> the duration and strength of the signal seems to be less now. you believe, david soucie, that's about battery life, not proximity to signal.
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yes? >> it can be both. the proximity to signal is one thing. >> i'm forcing you to take a side. weight one side over the other. >> i'm saying that it is because of battery life, yes. the frequency is lesser than it should be. >> but it also could be lack of proximity. why is it less likely that? >> lack of proximity is amplitude. we're not talking radio frequencies here but acutic movement, movement of the pressures against the water. as that goes it bounces and it moves around. that's why we're so far apart on where these things are coming from. i don't think i answered your question yet. >> you didn't. but you used to science to confuse me. mary, i understand the issue about refraction. it moves differently in water and that's why they have more confidence and it's weaker, it's not about proximity but battery strength. i get it. what i don't get is the next frontier. the bottom of the ocean presents as.
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m. challenges as the top. why? >> that's right. well, because the bottom of the ocean is so irregular and so very, very deep. there's actually the possibility that at some points in this part of the ocean even the submersibles won't be able to reach it, which is why i think they're making certain that they are hedging all bets and getting every ping they can on the surface before they head down deep. because if it's months and months before they actually find it down deep, then they'll regret not taking advantage of every possible ping to narrow that in and make that circle of interest as small as possible. >> for the titanic they were able to get satellite images of the ship sitting on the bottom of the ocean. why can't they get those with this? now so many years later, everything is so much more refined. where is our satellite photos? >> after 75 years to looking for it. narrow it down to a certain point. specific types of satellite can be used to determine whether or not it's magnetic, metal, rock. that's developed over many, many, many years.
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but this we're talking act a new area and as mary said, trying to narrow it down, realize if we're 25 miles, 3,000, 4,000 square kilometers. if you narrow that just by a mile or two it's exponentially less mileage to kcover. >> last variable we heard introduced that will sound odd to the uninitiated, mary. silt? after everything you've had to deal with you're worried about silt on the bottom of the ocean? why? >> for two reasons. one, because it's going to obscure the vision of not just the sonar will be able to go through that but they also need to take pictures. like you said, the satellite can't take pictures but they will have to take pictures on the bottom to bring up to see what they're looking at. the silt can get in the way of any recovery operations are finding the black boxes, et cetera. they're just counting that it will really get in the pay of the sonar and that in some cases it might actually help the
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sonar. it's more practicality. >> and there's also this description of it that it's like a swamp on the bottom of the ocean. it did remind something to me. i have a boat that sits in 2 1/2 feet of water. i dropped my cellphone. it was nine inches down in silt. it can be a problem. i get it. david soucie, mary schiavo, thank you for your perspective. coming up next on "new day," locating flight 370 has been difficult to say the very least. but recovering the plane may be even more difficult. how deep could the wreckage be? chris was talking about it. we're going to continue that conversation. also this. we'll go inside politics. hillary clinton was speaking on the west coast last night. find out the one question that left her literally speechless. (vo) you are a business pro. maestro of project management. baron of the build-out. you need a permit... to be this awesome. and you...rent from national.
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welcome back to "new day." less look at your headlines this morning. australian officials are optimistic that flight 370 could be found within the next few days. two new pinger signals consi consistent with black boxes were picked up tuesday six hours apart. an unmanned sub could soon be deployed to begin scanning the ocean floor. breaking news in the oscar pistorius murder trial. the prosecution trying to poke holes in the blade runner's account of what happened, pouring over every detail of his bail application. earlier they played a clip of pistorius cursing and blowing away a watermelon at a gun range. you can see it there. immediately after that they showed a graphic image of sree va steencamp's head could. stuff talk from the
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ukraine's interim government. the chaos in eastern ukraine will be resolved in 48 hours true negotiations or force. pro russian demonstrators are not backing down after seizing government buildings in three cities and demanding a referendum to succeed from ukraine. in the meantime, moscow is telling the west troops near ukraine's border, 40,000 of them, are no cause for concern. and then anything you can do we can do better. that refrain from the uconn women who whipped notre dame 79-58 to win the national basketball championship, the college game we're talking about. one night after uconn's men did the same. lady huskies finished the season undefeated, 40-0. you really can't be better than undefeated 40-0. it's a record ninth ncaa tile for uconn coach. he is fantastic. fifth time his team has done it without a loss. imagine that. five undefeated seasons. >> will he get his due as a coach despite coaching women's
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basketball? >> one more tight. >> he's not going to get it as much? >> i feel like he doesn't get talked about like with a wooden. >> of course not. . >> pat summit. >> people do not pay enough attention to women's basketball. >> what he has done is phenomenal. with one more title he ties john wooten, by the way. >> it will be interesting to see. you could make an easy argument that the uconn women's basketball team may be the most dominant team -- you know, program ever in basketball. he does it year after year. different players. amazing. >> i know. amazing. amazing athletes. segue on amazing to john king, right? inside politics on "new day." amazing man his. would have been a brilliant female basketball player. >> wow, what did you do to change his tone? >> i can't jump but i'm a big basketball fan and i think both the women and men of uconn, great week to be a husky. back to you guys in a few
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minutes but let's share their reporting and insights. wanda summers of politico. let's start, some people think edward snowden is a hero, others they he is a traitor. the former commander in chief bill clinton speaking at the u.s. naval academy sounds sympathet sympathetic. >> mr. snowden has been sort of an imperfect messenger, from my point of view, for what we need to be talking about here, but the snowden case has raised all these questions about whether we can use technology to protect the national security without destroying the liberty which includes the right to pries vyi si of basically innocent bystanders. >> current commander in chief thinks plmr. snowden could come back and face trial. he does sound pretty
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sympathetic. >> it's a very interesting line. this is an issue that really divides the democratic base. civil liberties, the left has a lot of gripes with the obama administration and specifically with the clinton state department, the hillary clinton state department not only with the snowden case but in a lot of broader issues of civil liberties and national security. those are questions that hillary is going to have to answer if she runs. i think we can see bill clinton field testing a slightly softer line when it has a chance of, if not placating, at least acknowledging the concerns of so much of those people instead of his very aggressive line that the state department took and the obama administration has taken. >> field testing. >> it's a smart point, too, because we do have this really interesting debate now going on. yes, edward snowden committed a crime. the administration is certainly not pleased to say the very least but also you have this thing he's made this really fascinating debate that tech company, those at the pentagon, those on capitol hill are now having to face that i think is captivated the american public in a way that is neat. >> let's move on to one of the most delicious, fascinating relation 14ship
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relationships. two vietnam veteran, john kerry, john mccain, two presidential nominees who lost the election, john mccain and john kerry. john kerry is out of the senate. secreta secretary of state. he was sitting as a witness in a committee room where he was once chairman and john mccain taking issues with his diplomacy. let's take a listen. >> my hero, teddy roosevelt, used to say, talk softly but carry a big stick. what you're doing is talking strongly and carrying a very small stick. in fact, a twig. >> your friend teddy roosevelt also said that the credit belongs to the people who are in the arena trying to get things done. and we're trying to get something done. that's a teddy roosevelt maxism and i abide by it. sure we may fail. you want to dump it on me? i may fail, i don't care. it's worth doing. >> what's with that? they used to be kind of buddies. >> that relationship on the way
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it's evolved ask fascinating. i covered john mccain and secretary of state john kerry with defense issues. this is really an expression of the frustration, specifically with this administration but specifically when you look at john kerry, used to be friends, negotiating buddies. their personal tension between john mccain and john kerry were never center stage quite like this. thing is just a display of how frustrated republicans are and how off track they feel the obama administration's foreign policy is. it's dominant not just in those circles but in politics overall. >> enough to drop the old senatorial privilege, if you're back in the club near supposed to treat you nice. >> i think we've seen a more less civil john allen muhammmcc that. the personal hurt he felt after 2008 and found common ground with the obama administration in a number of areas. it's the national security in a long running critique of the
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obama administration for the weakness that he perceives that you really see him chase at not being the commander in chief, the man in the arena where he clearly feels he could do it so much better and so much differently. >> take an interesting snapshot. remember, mike huckabee, former governor of arkansas won iowa in 2008 and presidential campaign fizzled out. back in iowa trying to decide whether to run in 2016. one ft issues they have faced and the country is facing is should we evolve when it comes to laws about same-sex marriage? listen to mike huckabee defe defending his position no. >> i'm not a hater. i'm not homophobic. i honestly don't wear what people doll personally. their individual lives. but i tell you the reason when people say why don't you just kind of get on the right soid of history. i said, you've got to understand, this for me is not about the right side or wrong side of history. this is the right side of the bible. >> it's a possible that will appeal to a lot of christian conservatives who feel sometimes
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if they say i oppose same-sex marriage they're labeled as haters or bigots. what does it say about the debate within the republican party and i guess the country at large? >> i think it speaks a lot to the tensions that you see unfolding all over the country between if you're a conservative republican or moderate republican. interesting moment right now where i think mike huckabee stands for a lot of evangelical, conservative christians who don't believe gay marriage should be legal, who are not on the side of many democrats who say that it should be or for gay rights. giving them cover of to say, mike huckabee, former preacher, great communicator. he's come out and said what i believe is okay. i don't have to feel ashamed for speaking up. my right to have free speech and disagree with the norm. that's okay for me. i wonder how it resonates outside of iowa if, in fact, he does seek higher office. >> it will be interesting to see. guarantees jeb bush pushing the party on immigration. mike huckabee saying same-sex marriage, 2016, we're going to have these in the primary
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debates. let's close with hillary clinton. she was out on the west coast last night. this has been evident for a long time but at least she finally said it publicly. guess what, she's thinkingn't run for president. >> i am obviously flattered and, you know, deeply honored to have people ask me and people encourage me and i am thinking about it but i'm going to continue to think about it. >> listen here, she says there's something about politics and public life she doesn't like. >> it gives you a sense of being kind of dehumanized, i guess, as part of the experience. you know, you really can't ever feel like you're just having a normal day. and you have to get over that. >> okay. molly, read the tea leaves there. she's thinking about it. she smiled. kind of dehumanizing. she's wrestling with herself or just what?
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>> yes. i mean, i think we can take a lot of that. basically at face value and she wouldn't be a person if she didn't have both of those feelings. the fact that she's thinking about running for president is basically the opposite of breaking news here. and the fact that politics is dehumanizing and something basically no one can disagree with. i think in a lot of ways it's similar to what we see jeb bush going through on the public stage. hillary is testing the boundaries of like how much of me can i be if i'm going to be involved in this process? are people going to freak out every time i do something that's not completely robotic and choreographed and can i handle that? and you know, we're going to talk about hillary whether she gives us anything to work with or not. so from a news perspective it's nice of her to give us a little something to work with. but she also realizes that she can't keep saying nothing forever. and so i think she's dipping a toe. >> she is to borrow that teddy roosevelt phrase, in the arena. as we go back to you guys in new york, i want to know, chris and mr. berman, be ready. listen to hillary clinton, hear
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when she asks this question and what makes kate balduan speechless. listen. >> for our last question this evening we have one from a student at glenco elementary school. this is zola zimpra demarco, 6 years old. she addresses this to mrs. h.r. clinton. and she says, in 2016 would you be -- would you prefer to be called madam president or mrs. president? >> i like that a lot. it's getting at the same question we're all trying to ask, i tried to ask it a different way of joe biden. that's a good way of asking her. >> but how do you have the men address you, is it adam? >> it's your highness. it's your highness or queen kate. one of the other. >> or the boss.
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i mean, one of the two. >> take it away, your excellency. >> thank you. after all these years you finally learned. see you later, john. >> next up on "new day," the new detection of two signals raising hopes that flight 370 will be found. if this is the missing plane, just how deep is the wreckage and how hard will it be to recover it? we have a top aviation expert to join us and explain it all.
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welcome back to "new day." overnight major developments in the search for flight 370. two new signals have been detected by search crews in the indian ocean. if this is the missing plane it will be a tremendous task to try to recover it even once they located specifically the black boxes. i'm standing here at our -- at the top of our staircase to help give you a real sense of, a better sense of just how deep and challenging the indian ocean is where the crews are looking. let's put up this animation just to give you some perspective, some comparisons. see the sea level at the very top. if you're scuba diving you're going to be around about over 100 feet. empire state building, that's over 1,000 feet. that's nowhere near where we're working right now. if you're looking then at the grand canyon, another comparison that we've used before, that's
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over -- that's over 5,000 feet you're looking at. and then the titanic. this is wreckage they've used some of these special vehicles that they will hopefully use this time around when they get there. the titanic was wreckage was discovered at over 12,000 feet. yet again, not even at the level what we're talking about here. let's bring in jeff wise, cnn aviation analyst, to talk about this search today. it really shows you the perspective of what you're dealing with. it's deeper than anything we've looked at before. the tpl, when we're towing that, almost 10,000 feet below the surface. the pings they picked up, that's over 13 -- some 13,000 feet below the surface. just what are the challenges that these depths that they're dealing with even though they're pretty optimistic they've found the right spot? >> they're optimistic but challenges. three miles down. you've got the weight of three miles of water on top of you. water is heavy stuff.
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talking about -- imagine an elephant, the watt of an elephant concentrated on an area the size of a postage stamp. that's the kind of crushing force you've got to deal with. also it's dark. when you get down below 1,000 feet down, sunlight never penetrates and you're in this world of total permanent darkness. it's alien world down there. it's quiet, cold, and dark. >> and then the seabed, it's just under three miles down. that's abiliout 15,000 feet. they're talking about concerns or the impact of silt on finding the black box and on the search. what's the impact of that? many of us have no idea what they're talking about when they talk about silt on the seabed. >> over the centuries if deby that filters down from the surface world, things die and disintegrate and filter down and become clay like muck. and things fall into there and they can disappear. we don't really know, it hasn't listen characterized what's down there, is it mountainous, rugged, flat?
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they've been reluctant to deploy that autonomous underwater vehicle with the side scan sonar that could characterize the bottom. i guess they're trying to keep it quiet down there so the tow can be quiet to detect the pings. >> as we look at this animation again and you see where the tow ping locator is. they were saying the area that can be covered by the tow ping locator in one day, if you out the autonomous underwater vehicle down there it's so much slower, so much of a more difficult task, that would take six to seven days with a tow ping locator can do in one day. kind of helps us understand why they're not yet putting it down there. >> right. they're trying to narrow it down as much as possible. they're trying to get that last last few bits of signal before the battery is completely dead, before they've convinced themselves that the battery is dead, there's no chance left. then they will deploy the underwater vehicle. >> when you take all of this under consideration, the depths,
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the challenges of what happens when you get down there, are you yet convinced that these pings are the black box? >> well, you know, remember the frequency doesn't match. there's been some speculation that there might be some reasons why the frequency has changed. >> battery life, depth. >> consistent with it. but it's not that kind of smoking gun that you really want where it's exactly the right frequency. so after a month of this bizarre saga that we've been through, it's all come down to the cylinder of ocean, about 12 miles across or so, about three miles deep. this dark, cold, you know, alien world. and we're trying to find out what's in this cylinder, if it's there, great. if it's not there, well, boy, we're really back to square one. >> especially when we are at -- we are even past what should be the battery life of these pingers. they still want more pings at these depps. it thanks for your perspective.
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i appreciate it. chris? kate, let's take a break here on "new day." when we come back, breaking news in oscar pistorius trial. did the blade runner change his story? prosecutors think so and they're coming at him hard. we're going to bring you more of his testimony. plus, a married congressman caught on tape kissing an equally married staffer. either you care or you don't as a voter. but what if you're her husband. he's speaking out and you may be surprise bid his take. we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire?
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louisiana congressman vance mcallister is speaking out. he says he's devastated and headed for divorce. mcallister apologized this week, but not to him, the husband or to his wife. cnn chris phrase has the story. >> reporter: it's not surprised that he's not interested in talking to us anymore. >> you'd prefer not to talk on camera, heath. >> i prefer not to talk. >> reporter: on monday this surveillance video showing his wife passionately kissing her boss went viral. the fallout from the video has thrown peacock's life into turmoil. before he decided to stop talking publicly, he told me, i'm freaking devastated by the whole deal. i love my wife so much, i can't freaking believe it. i feel like i'm going to wake up in a minute and this is going to be a nightmare.
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the episode first came to light when the local newspaper showed mmm allaster kissing melissa hixon peacock. he has wrecked my life, peacock said of the republican lawmaker, adding we're headed for divorce. melissa and heath peacock have been married for six years and have a 6-year-old son together. melissa peacock did not respond to comment. mcallister who is married with five children was elected in a november special election running as a christian conservative. >> you can count on me to take those values to washington. >> reporter: peacock said mcallister who he went to high school with was about the most non-religious person he knew. >> he put out a statement asking for forgiveness. the one person he didn't ask for forgiveness from was heath peacock.
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kras freights, cnn. >> the faster this gets out of the public eye the better because they have a lot to deal with. we'll take a break on "new day." when we come back "we will find it." that's what officials are saying. they are overjoyed to pick up new signals. how close are they? top aviation experts who hunted wreckage themselves will weigh in. sympathetic no more. the prosecution in the oscar pistorius trial, taking apart the blade runner's carefully crafted image. are they considering the only person who matters? remember, no jury, just the judge. we'll take you there live. road construction, and gaping potholes. so with all that behind you, you might want to make sure you're safe and in control. ford technicians are ready to find the right tires for your vehicle.
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we are now searching a much more concentrated area -- >> breaking overnight, new hope for finding flight 370. two more pings detected by search ships. the signal is weaker than before. is it enough for them to find it? we have the latest. also breaking, a heated day in court. oscar pistorius on the stand. the prosecution getting its
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first chance to cross examine him. we'll bring you the tough questions and, of course, his answers. on the brink. pro russian demonstrators reportedly holding ukrainians hostage. the u.s. standing it will not stand by. what does that mean? fareed zach zakaria join us on with what's next. your "new day" continues. good morning and welcome once again to "new day." it could be just a matter of days now before flight 370 is found. take a look at the big map. the australian ocean shield detected two more pings overnight, both more southern than where the first two were. both of them they say consistent with black boxes. huge news overnight, chris. >> all right. kate. the question is that news enough to justify the new enthusiasm?
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officials say they're going to find it because of this confirmed sighting. >> aaron mclaughlin is tracking the latest developments live from perth, australia this morning. erin? >> reporter: officials are more optimistic than ever before that they're inching closer to finding the final resting place of missing malaysian flight 370, but they're not there yet. >> i'm now optimistic that we will find the aircraft or what is left of the aircraft in the not-too-distant future. >> reporter: breaking overnight, "ocean shield" acquired two new signals consistent with flight 370's black box pingers. officials say all four signals have now been detected within 17
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miles of each other. >> what we're picking up is a great lead. >> reporter: officials say the sounds detected were not of natural origin and likely from a man made device. scouring the sediment at the bottom of the ocean will prove difficult. >> the silt on the bottom will complicate that search. >> reporter: today's search effort intensifying as resources comb the shrinking search area roughly the side of south carolina. so far the debris found has not been linked to flight 370. adding the the urgency, the dieing batteries pouring the black box pinger, now past the 30-day ex-prescription date. >> the signals we've picked up originally have been much weaker than the original signals we picked up. that means probably we're either a long way away from it or, in my view, more likely the batteries are starting to fade. >> reporter: once they're certain those batteries have
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expired and they have exhausted all efforts at acquiring more information to be able to narrow down that search field, only then will they deploy the under water autonomous vehicle to search for physical wreckage. >> erin, thank you so much. here with richard quest. so they're confident. the question becomes are they being pressured into making progress? can they justify their confidence? how certain do you think they feel with what they're dealing with right now? >> if you listened to houston last night, he went through it in a fairly forensic way. first of aushlgs bring in the two new pings. he pointed out the new pings are very much on the same arc where the plane would have been by the seventh handshake on the satellite. then he went through, and bring on the four other pings, the two other pings we've already had.
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then houston said they've sent the data from the first two to the australian acoustic experts. they revealed it's stable, concise, pings of 1.106 per second and it is consistent. they have confirmed and their view is it's consistent with being it's not natural and it is electronic and it is consistent with it being a flight data recorder. >> so they are confident because of a few factors. one, over time they have been agating more handshakes, more satellite data, more gps and radar that make them comfortable with the arc? >> yes. >> they're also confident because all of the indicia of whether or not this is a pinger from a battery -- from a black box is about right, and they're in the same area, so it points to we're doing the right thing. >> you're a good student. those are exactly the points they make.
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houston, however, is not prepared to go that one stage further and say that is where the plane is. he is saying again and again he will not go the next leap until he has physical evidence. he needs -- he says he needs to see wreckage. he needs to see physical evidence, not only because it will confirm everything else, but the families will need it foreclosure and certainty. >> very important point which leads to the next face of this. we've been talking this morning. this map beautifully and brilliantly displays the topography of the situation. we may need a new map that shows the proportions of the bottom of the ocean. that is a new frontier. >> they're going to go backwards and forwards. bring in the towed pinger located and you will see exactly what this will look like. the towed pinger locater will continue going backwards and forward. >> you may have to play the
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role. i'll be the ship. >> backwards and four wards in six-hour stretches. >> because there's such length of cord. >> 3500 meters. >> you have to be careful because. >> first you can't stop, secondly, you don't want it tied up on all sorts of things. here it is. i told you. we paid the bill. there it is. ultimately they're going to keep doing that until they're pretty certain there's no life left in the pinger batteries. houston says he already believes that the pingers are dieing because the signal is getting weaker. once they've got as many of those pinger locations as they possibly can, they will then send a uv down to look at the bottom. even though they've got a much tighter area, it's still slow,
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painstaking work. >> there's currents on the bottom, different masses they have to deal with, the depth of silt. a lot going on, so that will be a new challenge. it will be a good sign when they feel that's what they have to deal with. i will be here with you taking us through that i'm sure. richard quest, always a pleasure. >> kate. an ultimatum from ukraine's interior minister. he's warning pro russian activists who have taken overstate buildings to find a solution or face force. he says the situation will be resolved one way or the other in 48 hours. meantime, moscow is telling the west there's no need to be concerned about the 40,000 estimated russian troops along ukraine's border. fareed zakaria is yoining us to talk about this. every time we speak, fareed, there's hope that something is going the tip the balance, but it just continues to escalate.
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you've got pro russian demonstrators taking over government buildings in eastern ukraine. you've got this ultimatum being laid out by the ukrainian government. what do you make of the state of play inside ukraine right now? >> it feels like we're in phase two of the russian operation in ukraine. remember, we talked about this before. crimea was never the price. putin took crimea because he could, because there was a naval base, he feared ukraine was slipping from his control. he wanted to take the one piece he knew he could get. ukraine was the price. the whole purpose of russian policy for the last decade has been to try to dominate ukraine. so now phase two is, okay, we have crimea. but ukraine has become more anti-russian and wants to move to the west. what do we do? they've done two things. over the last week or two, they have tried to essentially crash the ukrainian economy. they have really cut off all supplies, contracts, business
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dealings. now what they're trying to do is foment pro russian forces to create general chaos. at that point mr. putin can say there's general chaos in ukraine, we need to protect our russian speakers. we happen to have 40,000 troops right near the border and we can go in. he may not need to go in physically, though he's clearly preparing for that option. that also allows him to go to the ukrainian government and say you've got to negotiate on my terms now and those terms are substantially autonomy for eastern ukraine, a permanent role for russia in a kind of special relationship. he's now moved on to the issue that was always his prize, how do i dominate ukraine. >> what's then -- in this chess board, what is next move for ukraine, the united states and nato who are trying to get russia to stand down? secretary of state john kerry in a senate hearing said very
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clearly, do not be fooled, this could be very easily viewed as a pretext for moving into ukraine even further. what can they do? >> it's a tough question. the first thing i think is the ukrainian government the going to have to act well. the ukrainian government has to be able to assert control over the territory. >> to this point it hasn't been able to do it? >> they have done a good job in the last day or two getting rid of the demonstrators. at the end of the day, the ukrainian government cannot control these protests. getting americans or europeans in, it's not going to look good or work. russia says you see there are foreigners involved on one side. first ukrainians have to get their act together and they're trying. secondly, we have to start specifies exactly what would happen if the russians were to invade. i think that really involves getting the europeans to take a tougher line. if the germans were to outline tough sanctions, real sanctions,
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that might make the russians -- that might make moscow have second thoughts. there's not much wee can do. we're not going to fight a war with a nuclear superpower over ukraine. but the germans do a lot of trade with the russians. it would be a body blow to the russian economy. >> you make an important point. i was looking over recent statements just from the nato secretary general. he said if russia moves in, that would be an historic mistake. but being more specific, what that will lead to seems to be the important next step which is why it's pretty interesting that the foreign ministers, ukraine and russia have agreed to this point. >> that's a bigger step. it's gotten lost in some of the protests. the russians, remember, had never accepted the ukrainian government. they argued this was illegitimate. now the russian foreign minister is meeting with the foreign minister. the russians said they would be willing to meet with all parties
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in the ukrainian political system. putin is very clever. he's making some very tough moves. he's at the same time making some diplomatic overtures. he's trying to see which ones work out. i don't believe he's ever had a master plan. he's a master opportunist. he's figuring out, i'm going to put all these things out there. part of what he's trying to figure out is how much support does he have in eastern ukraine? remember, people say eastern ukraine is pro russian. from my understanding of it and from our good reporting, the younger people in eastern ukraine, even the younger speakers, are not that pro russian. it's the older generation. putin is trying to play all these dynamics and see what he can do. what we need to do is be a little more specific. the reason we're not, of course, we don't have agreement, particularly with the europeans. >> and even within our own borders. wet don't have time to get to
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it. there is quite a back-and-forth between john kerry and john mccain in criticizing what the u.s. has done to this point and how we've handled it so far. so there's not even agreement within the united states, let alone our partners. >> it's unfortunate. there was a time when a crisis like this -- this is such an urgent big deal, it would have caused people to rally around the administration. whatever criticisms you might have, i think we want to present vladimir putin with a more united front than we've been doing so far. >> fareed, thank you. let's get in to john burman. we have breaking news to tell you about. eight students have been stabbed at a high school in pennsylvania. emergency crews were sent a short time ago to franklin regional high in west mother labd county. one victim was airlifted away, several others hospitalized. police do have one person in custody. also breaking overnight, a global recall by toyota involving more than 6 million
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vehicles. 27 models are affected. the automaker sites a broad range of mechanical problems involving models from 2004 to 2010, faulty steering, air bags, seats, starters and windshield wiper motors. toyota agreed to pay a $1.2 billion penalty for the handling of the vehicles due to unintented acceleration. president obama and the first lady are headed to texas today. three soldiers were killed when eye van lopez started firing. he later took his own life. so prince george melting hearts on a play date in new zealand. he played with other actual babies at an event for actual parents and actual children. he crawled around in the floor folks and shared toys. at one point yesterday he did steal a doll from another child.
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duchess katherine returned it. prearranged play dates in front of dozens of cameras, they're just like the rest of us. >> isn't that what you do saturday? >> he's got a good faux hawk going. >> maintains the calories. i'm saying. >> seriously? >> they can have really funky hair. one of mine had -- i won't name which one. >> he may not have much hair in his future based on his father. >> john berman. he's a little boy. >> he has a lifetime of preparation to get ready for it. >> if he loses his hair, he can have it put back in like i did. coming up on "new day," breaking news in the oscar pistorius trial. the prosecutor is poking holes in his story. pistorius is admitting he wasn't there when his bail application
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breaking news. a clash between the prosecutor and oscar pistorius who is not going to be on camera, but you will hear his testimony. they're going at it about the crime scene now. the prosecutor is insisting that oscar pistorius has changed his story. he's saying it's contrived, saying everything we've heard so far is this con vooif vance of perfection. the pros kiter believes it disingenuous. now they're arguing about whether or not the crime scene was disturbed, the prosecutors making the case that if it were,
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it was done by oscar pistorius. he's saying he didn't touch anything. now the judge has interceded to referee the case. there's one piece of sound i want you to hear that set this up. we all know, anybody who is watching this, that reeva steenkamp was killed by oscar pistorius. however, he has not admitted that in court. it is really has frustrated the prosecutor. take a listen. >> i made a terrible mistake. >> you made a mistake? you killed a person. >> i made a mistake. >> you killed reeva steenkamp, that's what you did. >> i made a mistake. >> repeating it three times. what was your mistake? >> my mistake was i took riva's life. >> you shot and killed her. would you take responsibility for that. >> i did, my lady. >> say it.
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say i shot and killed reeva steenkamp. i know you don't want to because you don't want to take responsibility but it's time you look at it. take responsibility for what you've done, mr. pistorius. >> my lady, i've taken responsibility by me not wanting the live my life. waiting to tell my story for the respect of riva. i've taken responsibility. i'm not looking at a picture where i'm tormented. as my fingers picked her up, i remember. i don't have to look at a picture. >> tights same thing as a watermelon. you had it -- >> i think that is extremely unfair to say that is the same thing as a watermelon. >> now, this was harsh. what's going on here right now. you have the prosecutor who is pushing the blade runner, oscar pistorius, to take responsibility. why? it gets confusing.
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there's no jury here. there's the judge, however. how persuaded will the judge be by this? so much more sober-minded than a jury. the prosecutor wants to prove that oscar pistorius is not taking responsibility. they had to adjourn the first time the prosecutor showed this image of reeva steenkamp's injuries. pistorius couldn't take it. now what is the prosecutor trying to do? he's trying to say you're not affected by this. this isn't about remorse. this is about remorse you did it and got caught. let me show video of you at a gun range blowing up with watermelon with a shotgun and saying, see, you're laughing at it, the same thing as the watermelon. here is the prosecutors. prosecutors brought this in. they brought it in and say listen to you laughing at this. you call it a zombie killer, joking about brains. that's what's going on right now. let's bring in senior legal analysts jeffrey toobin.
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help us understand what it's like, robin, in court to see this going on. kelly, you pick up with the idea of how unusual this may be to see a defendant debating and being put to the test this way. robyn, you start. >> obviously oscar pistorius has been giving his testimony for 2 1/2 days, gently led by his own defense. the state came in and went at it hard, equating riva stan camp's head with an exploded waterme n watermelon, trying to force him to see those pictures being in court. oscar pistorius has been emotional, has struggled to try to get his testimony over in the last few hours. there were many times i saw him clenching, holding himself back, trying not to stop, trying not to break down because, of course, he has to tell his story, has to put this across. in terms of whether this is unusual, this very, very
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grotesque kind of example so early under examination, i hey kelly is good to answer that. >> the level of aggression is not unusual. the system is based on vehement cross examination. the gratuitous nature of the manner in which that photographer was used is certainly unusual. i personally think it was a mistake. i think that it's demeaned the dignity of the victim and her family. i think it got the judge's back up against the wall. i think mel thought that himself. he was he that asked for the adjournment so mi adjournment. the tactic he employed in doing that is certainly unusual. >> that is a very interesting analysis. jeffrey, let me come to you with that. the prosecutor asked for the adjournment. that's an interesting take
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there. what do you make of it? >> i think the prosecutor is trying to set a theme here in the early part of his cross examination. the theme is that pistorius is not taking responsibility. he wouldn't say the words that he killed reeva steenkamp. in the moments just before we went on the air, he was talking about how pistorius and his lawyers were blaming the police for not handling the crime scene correctly, and there was an earlier document in the case that said he was pleading not guilty because the crime scene was mishandled. in part, the defense was say saying we'll show you how the crime scene was handled. the prosecutor is saying you're not pleading not guilty because you really are not guilty. you're just trying to shift blame to the police. i think that's an interesting theme ha the prosecution is trying to explore as they try to
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discredit every aspect of pistorius's testimony. >> defense counsel has been so active, they don't have to just object, they get to argue open any in court. i'm surprised they didn't argue about using the defendant about how the crime scene was developed. there are real questions about how the crime scene was handled. the investigator involved, both wound up getting in trouble. tell us about it. >> absolutely. we've talked about this over the past few weeks. there was some sort of glaring examples given by the defense under cross examination of how watches were stolen from oscar pistorius's house by police, alleged by the defense during the investigation. we also saw how perhaps there hadn't been protective footwear and the description of how one of the police first on the scene didn't wear protective gloves when he first touched the weapon. there were a number of examples and a real sense that perhaps
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this had been a botched investigation early on. that's what at least the prosecution is trying to counteract. >> kelly, is it safe to say the meat of this cross examination is going to come when the prosecutor starts going through pistorius's story in terms of his reactions, vis-a-vis reeva steenkamp, what did he do and how did he feel as it went along? will that be the meat of it? >> i think it will be. i think we're already seeing the beginnings today of what will become an enduring theme in the cross examination which is meticulously comparing and crafting details between the version of events in order to undermine the validity and reliability of his story. we'll start seeing gerrie nel, when he's speaking about those various moment moments, he's
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going to try to provoke him to get him no none state for the state what the state suggested about his personality which is he is aggressive and prone to volatile out bursts. >> if this is how the prosecute ser going over the light stuff, when they get into the debating of why he didn't look for riva, it's going to be. >> reporter: tough for oscar pistorius. we have to look for his recollectionive abilities over time. robyn, kelly, jeffrey, thank you for the perspective. coming up next on "new day," crews looking for flight 370 picked up two more pings. signals are getting weaker. is this the breakthrough searchers have been waiting for or another false lead? we'll hear from top aviation experts who hunted down wreckage themselves. and this will be your premium right here.
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michela. >> two new pinger signals detected raising hopes that search teams are zeroing in on the wreckage of flight 370. government officials say the pro russian protest in eastern ukraine will be resolved in 48 hours either through peaceful negotiations or the use of force. more dramatic turns in the oscar pistorius murder trial. prosecutors challenging the blade runner's story under cross examination. at one point they even showed ooh graphic image of reeva steenkamp's head wound. president obama and the first lady heading to texas for a memorial service at ft. hood. a baby girl who fell ill while her family was stranded at sea arrives in san diego today. her parents have faced criticism for attempting to sail around the globe with their two very young children. we're always updating the five things you need to know. go to newdaycnn.com for the
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latest. officials hope the detection of new signals in the search for flight 370 will lead finally to the wreckage. they say they hope in matter of days. let's bring in mary schiavo, former inspector general for the presidentment of transportation. and daiftd susie, cnn safety analyst and the author of "why planes crash," also a former faa investigator. mary, the two latest signals, when you put all four pings together, if you will, they say it's a range of about 15 to 17 miles. is that not narrow enough? why do they still want to get more pings before they head under the surface. >> even with 15 to 17 miles that's many days if not weeks if they have nothing more than those submersibles going under water and literally square mile
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by square mile mapping out the ocean floor. that's a slow painstaking process, where if they can marrow it down, get it within a couple of miles. when they put the submersibles down to actually try to get sonographic pictures back up to the surface, they'll be right on it. it will only be a few days as opposed a few weeks. they're trying to milk every last bit of that battery out of that pingers. >> david, the way i understand it, as you said earlier, they want to keep working to get more pings throughout the battery life. when that runs out, then you can send the submersible down. you don't necessarily need the ping to be pinging continuously as you go down. >> that's correct. the idea is to get it narrowed down. at 17 miles, if you calculate the circle of what that can be, you're talking 33,000 square miles of places to go. --
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>> give me one second. we have a mic problem we'll be working on. mary, let me get your take on this. as we're talking about narrowing the field. they seem more optimistic than i have ever heard through this entire month-plus of searching for flight 370. is there any room for doubt still or do you think they have found it? they say we're in the right place we think. >> i agree with that. i think they have and i think their optimism is justified. if i wanted to play devil's advocate, the biggest concern is the frequency is not exactly 37.5 which is the pinger frequency. it is 33, 33.5. however, the investigators have explained that by saying that it is -- the signal is degraded by the ocean refractions, the problems with the currents and the fact that the battery may be dieing. they're not bothered by the 33.5. i guess that's the biggest
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discrepancy i see. now it's just a matter of time and work and narrowing it down so they can use those submersibles and really get right on top of the mek kaj. >> do you think there's any room for doubt, david or do you agree with mary? >> i don't have any doubt about it. after flight 447 they placed six pingers around at about a how sand meter depth, they brought sounds back, not as low as 33.1. the pressure on the cylinder can affect the ability for the pinger to put out exactly the right frequency. >> can you walk me through real briefly, mary, i'm hearing from some experts that when they locate this black box, that's just the beginning of the next chapter of this search. what is the most immediate what's next? >> well, the immediate once they locate them is then they're going to have to get the submersible down with the claw, with the hook and have to get the black boxes up to the surface. they're either going to have to
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extract them from wreckage. at this point they have no way of knowing what the wreckage field looks like. it could be in very big parts of the plane or small parts. they'll have to get that up. there's a very special way they have to do that. they have to bring it up, keep it in saltwater and transfer it to fresh water before they dry it out and play the data. that will be the next step. then they will discover on the flight data recorder really what they're dealing with and how much of the wreckage they have to bring up to solve the mystery. they'll be making decisions after they get the data off the black boxes. >> when you're dealing at a depth of almost three miles potentially, that just complicates everything. we'll continue to talk about the challenges that the seabed will offer in the days to come. mary, david, thank you so much. chris? we'll take a break. when we come back, we have a cnn exclusive. the question is are there 40,000 russian troops about to invade ukraine. if they do, what can the u.s. do to stop it? cnn speaks exclusively to
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welcome back to "new day." we have a cnn exclusive. this morning some 40,000 russian trooms are amassed along the ukraine border. jim sciutto caught up with defense secretary chuck hagel traveling in china and asked if russia is looking for any excuse to go in. with that jim sciutto joins us live in beijing. big interview to have, especially right now. >> reporter: no question. we had a lot to talk about
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because there's a lot of news. particularly in ukraine -- i pressed him. i said there is an impression that the u.s. and the west have, in effect, granted crimea to the russians without a cost. he said no, that's not the case, that the u.s. and the west are going to impose these costs on russia over time, that they're, in effect, playing the long game here and that russia is going to field that as well. he knows as well as you and i do that those 40,000 troops are still on the eastern border, they have not come down. the u.s. is focused on deescalating. but no sign the russians are. here is what he said about his level of concern today. >> are you more concerned today than you were, for instance, last week, that russia will take the next step and go into eastern ukraine? >> we're always vigilant, always looking at the options we need to take.
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as you know, general breed love, our supreme allied commander has been tasked by nato to come up with new additional measures and options. he will be reporting those options back to me as well as to nato. we don't take anything for granted. >> reporter: so those options he's talking about, to be clear, chris, those are military options. not military attacks, say, on russia, but the movement of military resources in that area to send a message to russia. he says already one of the costs that russia is suffering is international isolation, that the world effectively is united against their move. the question, of course, is whether that's going to change russia's behavior. to this point it doesn't appear that it has. >> interesting he's in china. and, of course, you have all the chinese that were on flight 370. it wound up entering into the cycle of his existence there as well. what was his reaction to what's going on with the search?
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>> reporter: no question. there was news today, as you know, in that search. those pings reacquired. that, as he mentioned to me, is american equipment, the pinger locater being towed behind the "ocean shield." he described it to me, he said, listen, this is a good sign, considers it hopeful. he doesn't want to get ahead of things. in his words, the task is immense. he said specifically he doesn't want to raise the hopes yet of family members, that they've come to a conclusion here that they want to confirm that those pings are, indeed, coming from those lost flight recorder and cockpit voice recorder. he said there's still work that needs to be done. when i talked to u.s. officials, they are confident that they've taken a big step forward here. i think in public they're going to be very measured in how they describe that step. >> also a very important basis of cooperation for chinese and american interest right now as the search goes on and both are
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so heavy involved. jim sciutto, thank you for bringing us this big interview. there's a lot more of the interview that jim sciutto did with the secretary of defense. you'll get to see it today on "the situation room" at 5:00 p.m. eastern. the search for flight 370 takes a dramatic turn. if new signals are from the plane's black box, how hard will it be to recover the wreckage? we'll talk to the man who led the search effort to find air france flight 447. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function
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regional high school in pennsylvania, 15 minutes outside of pittsburgh. cnn has been told that eight students were stabbed there. there were reports from students that someone came into the school with a knife and started slashing people including friends of at least one witness. we know there are three medical helicopters on scene and students have been injured enough to wind out at the regional hospital. forbes regional trauma center. the doctor in charge there is chris calf man. he's on the phone with us. can you hear us? >> yes, thank you. >> what do we understand? >> exactly that you said, there was a multiple victim stabbing at franklin high school. eight of the patients came here to forbes hospital trauma center. additional patients were either life flighted to our sister
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hospital downtown or taken to another trauma center in the area. i believe there were a total of 11 that we're aware of so far, with eight of those patients coming here. >> we're told the person who did this is in custody. what do we know about the types of injuries? how bad are these? >> these are significant injuries. we had two patients who went immediately to the operating room. the third person is being taken to the operating room now the out of the eight we have. there are additional patients getting images x-rays and cat scans and ultrasounds that may require interventions later on as we discover internal injuries in these patients. these patients are what we call hemodynamically stable allowed for imaging. the two patients that went to the operating room were not stable, low blood pressure and significant bleeding. >> do we know what was used to
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do this? >> i don't. but the wounds were large, approximately two inches plus. so this to me seems like it must have been a large penetrating instrument of some type. >> do you feel that you've seen the full number of people? are you expecting more in this situation? >> i am told that we have seen the patients that we are going to see. but we're still on standby should there be additional patients coming our way. >> i know it's early. >> some of these patients are likely going to be hospitalized for some time, getting over this assault. >> doctor, i want to leave you to it. i know you have a lot of work in front of you. good luck going forward. we'll check back with you. >> thanks very much. bye now.
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>> very unusual that it would be a stabbing. you're hearing the injuries are serious, kids in surgery, almost a dozen of them, the doctor said 11. >> we don't know who that person was, a student or someone else that came in and started all this. >> authorities say one is in custody. we'll have to pick up that part of the story and find it out. >> we hear the kids are being released to families. so a lot of worried parents for sure. we'll continue to core that breaking news. let's take another break. also coming up on "new day," two more pings detected, officials hopeful that this could be the plane's black box. but challenges remain. we'll have all the details on the search for flight 370 after the break.
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welcome back. we've been following a breaking development in the flight for 370. two new signals detected by the "ocean shield." let's bring in david gal der from the woods owes graphic institution. thanks for being with us. for so long we've been calling this a race against time. they had 30 days or so to get close to the wreckage of this plane before the pingers on those black boxes ran out.
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my question to you, is this race against time now over? they've detected four pings. do they have the luxury of stepping back now and being meticulous before they put the blue fin submersible in the water? >> i think in this case meticulous is being careful. they don't want to commit that high tech piece of gear without knowing what's on the bottom and if they have the right location. >> based on what officials are saying, they are saying they believe they are hearing the binges from the flight data recorder. does it concern you they do not believe they're hearing the cockpit voice recorder, and if they are only hearing one of them, is it better that it is the data recorder, not the cockpit voice recorder? >> the cockpit voice recorder was rewriting over itself every two hours. i think the flight data recorder
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is better, but i'm not surprised they can only hear one or the other. the oceans play a lot of games with sounds. not surprised at all. >> the depth of this is about at the limit of where the blue fin sub can reach. if that cannot get there, what then will they use? >> i don't want to second-guess the team out there. they're very competent at what they do. there are ways they can fly high. they may choose to bring in another piece of equipment or they may have something else on board ocean shield. forgetting us up to date on all the developments in the story. we'll come back in a little bit. chris, kate, back to you. >> we'll go from that story to "newsroom" to carol costello. carol, we know the numbers are on their way up in pennsylvania. >> yes, 20 students now stabbed at pennsylvania high school. i'll have details in just a bit. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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happening now in the "newsroom." breaking this morning, two new pings. >> "ocean shield" has been able to reacquire the signals on two more occasions. >> new signals of hope. >> i'm now optimistic that we will find the aircraft. >> search efforts intensify as the world waits. and wonders as time runs out on those pingers. >> there's a strong probability that they're still active. >> have we finally found flight 370's black boxes? >> we have a positive lead. a special edition of "newsroom" starts right now. good morning. i'm carol costello. we begin with breaking news out of pennsylvania. 20 students have been injured in a high school stabbing in
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