www.vitac.com good morning. welcome to "new day." it is friday, april 1, 6:00 in the east. new this morning. just a few mile, okay, those are the words of the australian prime minister for how far away they are from night 370. they are now said to be very confident, quoted words, those signals picked up over the last several days are coming from the plane's black box and they know its location, almost. >> still, the head of the search warns there's no breakthrough here and a new signal heard thursday we talked about now does not appear to be related. our coverage begins this morning with mathew chance live from perth, australia, the heart of this search effort. >> thanks very much. well, those comments from tony a t bot, t abbott should be taken in context of the official visit he was on from beijing to china. chinese, because they were the

majority of nationalities on board. incredibly interested and have a great stake in the progress of the search operations, trying to locate that missing airliner. and i think that even though tony abbott was cautious in what he said he went a little further than any australian official has so far done in terms of describing the progress. take a listen. >> we are confident that we know the position of the black box flight recorder to within some kilometers. our confidence in the approximate position of the black box is not the same as recovering wreckage from almost 4 1/2 kilometers beneath the sea or finally determining all that happened on that flight. >> but what angus houston, the man in charge with overseeing and coordinating the multinational search effort, he down played the prime minister's

remarks saying essentially there's been no major breakthrough. however, he said that the search area has significantly narrowed down to about 18,000 square miles, which is still a big patch of ocean, of course, but it's much smaller, much more manageable than the 80,000 square miles that were being searched for pings over the course of last week. much, much more manageable area. also on the downside, i suppose, you may remember yesterday there was a fifth ping identified by an australian aircraft flying over the area where the search operations were under way. that's been now ruled out as not linked to the missing malaysian airliner. >> thank you for the latest. let's break it down with david soucie, cnn safety analyst, mary schiavo, former inspector general for the department of transportation. good to have you both. the s s son

sonobuoy ping, if they had been in use there they would have made thot not related, also. should we have lack of confidence? >> no, they distinctively said that. >> our confidence is intact that what they think they found in the others ones are good? >> mine is. >> mary, how many pings do you need before you have enough to start search for wreckage? >> well, it's not just the number of pings. you need a number of pings in a compact enough area so you can calculate where the location of the black box most likely is. we've seen the diagrams that almost looks like a star, if you will, where they've made various targets across the ocean to try to zero in not necessarily triangulate but get the point and then send down the bluefin.

why need to be able to figure out where in the midst of all the pings they're going to send down the bluefin. >> tony abbott said they are confident they are within kilometers. then send down the bluefin. >> one would think but they want to take every last little bit of juice out of the batteries. remember, there have been air crashes where they have sent down the side scan sonar and found the black boxes within a day or two and there have been some where it has been months. there was one in the java sea where the plane crashed in january and they got the black boxes in august. so that's why they're trying to get every last little ping. at this point the black boxes will be fine if they have to wait a day or two more or a week or two more. the black boxes will be okay even though the battery is gone. >> david, that's obviously your concern, is that we're going to lose battery life. we seem to be in the extended time period anyway, over time

for the boatteries. so you search as long as you can? >> we talked to commander marks and he said he expected from the time they stop receiving the signals, the assumption that the battery is gone, they would continue to search for at least two more days after that just to be certain that they've gotten, as mary said, all the juice out of the batteries that are available. >> i still don't get the proximity related to the ping pickup. the prime minister said within a few kilometers and now you tell me the search area is the size of new hampshire and new jersey together. i don't get it. >> there's two things. the search area, still looking for debris. when they talk about large search areas they're talking about debris, not necessarily where the black boxes are. the search for the black box is much smaller than that. in fact, if you included all the pings you would still be within about 500 or so square miles is the area for the black boxes. now, if you then exclude the extraneous pings, refracted

pings or the small short ones that are five minutes and seven minutes and say let's focus on just the ones that we know are within the broadcast area of that box, now, the only one that's really credible as far as that to get distinguishing information is the two-hour ping they got at first. that would indicate that tpl had been towed through the broadcast range of where the pinger is. >> that gives the you the best idea? >> absolutely. >> you are buying the prime minister's confidence? >> if we didn't have the two-hour ping i would be less confident because you don't know if you're just getting a refractive signal or a past signal that started from different location. but because of that i'm confident. >> his reliability has been pretty good. mary schiavo, you've been making this reference, 1987, indian ocean, another crash there. so we do have a model of comparison in terms of how difficult this is and how long it can take. just give us a sense of that.

>> well, in that crash the black box was picked up from 16,000 feet under the indian ocean. and that accident was south african airways. it was a long time ago. it was '87 but they didn't find any wreckage at first either. they were looking to the east of the crash zone and, in fact, the currents took it to the west. and so they had a mystery there on their hands as well. and in that case they didn't get any pings. they had a very good idea where it went into the water, however, and with two days with the submersibles, within two days they had a black box. but they had a really good idea of where it went in. they just didn't have any wreckage because they looked the wrong place. so there are many similarities. the black box was fine from 16,000 feet under water. and they were indeed at the right place when they sent the submersibles in. maybe that's the sent narrow here. that holds the record, by the way, deepest undersea recovery from the black box was from the

indian ocean. >> hopefully that record stands and this one is more shallow water. thank you for the perspective. david, thanks for explaining the difference in the search zone for the debris versus for the black box. that is confusing. kate? let's turn to a really horrible scene on a california interstate. ten people, half of them high school seniors, killed in a fiery crash. the students were on their way to visit a college together in northern california when a semi truck collided head-on with their charter bus. both buses, both vehicles erupted in flames. stefani elam is live in california with more on this horrible story. good morning. >> good morning, kate. it is a devastating accident. besides those five high school students that have died, three were adult chaperones that are v. died and both drivers of the vehicle. still at this point no one knows what was the cause to start this accident in the first place.

the images are horrifying. a bus full of high school students burst into flames on the side of a california highway after a head-on collision with a fedex truck. >> everything was in flames already. it was a couple of explosions after that. >> reporter: the truck slamming into the bus full of high school seniors after police say it crossed over the median and into oncoming traffic. >> all of a sudden i heard a sonic boom. when i got there everything was engulfed and it was still spewing up black smoke. >> reporter: the collision leaving both drivers and multiple passengers dead. eyewitnesses helpless as fwlams consumed the buzz. >> a lot of people screaming and beg for help with all the flames and all the smoke. it was just cover your eyes. >> reporter: emergency crews raised to the scene to help the injured students. >> many of them had cuts, contusionses, bumps, minor burns. the ones i saw i know that there was one person when we arrived on scene that was unfortunately on fire. >> screaming for help, don't let

me die, just help me. >> reporter: at least 34 people were rushed to local hospitals. helicopter airlifted survivors. others were taken by school bus and ambulances to local care centers. >> i saw one gentleman on a board. and his clothes were gone pretty much. i couldn't tell if his injuries were significant. i just kept praying. >> reporter: the high school students were on their way to visit humboldt state university this weekend. just hours after tweeting a picture from inside the bus crash survivor jonathan gutierrez posted this picture of the crash scene writing, can't believe what just happened. i was asleep and next thing you know i was jumping out for my life. absolutely terrifying to have to go through that. we know that nine of the people that died died here on scene while another died from their wounds at a local hospital. at this point, though, they do not expect any more people to die from the wounds. it seems like either you were killed or you got away with some

bumps and bruises. just a very terrifying, very scary, and very random scene here, chris. >> thank you so much. it is amazing looking at the pictures that anybody walked away. amazing to think it actually could have been worse. all right. let's take you down to washington now. after months of taking beat for the botched of rollout of healthcare.gov kathleen sebelius is calling it quits. is she a casualty, has she had enough, is this job completed? what are they saying? >> well, what they are saying over here at the white house, chris, is that kathleen sebelius went to the president in early march and thought the affordable care act was heading in good shape and the enrollment was doing fine atte the end of marc which would be last week and then she would step down and the president was okay with that.

no question kathleen sebelius was the public face of one of the worst failures of the obama presidency, the botched rollout of healthcare.gov. it did it to her when she was testifying up on capitol hill. it crashed right in front of lawmakers. and so it's been a difficult tenure for kathleen sebelius but she gets to go out on a somewhat high note. she got to announced yesterday that 7.5 million people have signed up for insurance under the affordable choir act. as you mentioned, chris, the president will announce her replacement, sylvia birwell, at an event here at the white house later on this morning, chris. >> tell us about this birwell, jim acosta, do you think she's going to get confirmed? is the other side going to push on her for a metaphor to the resistance for the overall obama care scream? >> well, you know, no question when sylvia burwell goes up to

capitol hill this will be an opportunity for republicans to go after the affordable care act, to go after the obamacare. we can hear a full hearing of all of their grieve yans grieve time. she does not come out of the world of obamacare and health and human services. she is the president's budget director. the white house feels god about her management skills. she was part of the budget deal that was hammered out last fall. they feel pretty good about her hands-on deals when it comes with bureaucracy. there will be some flash points i would expect during her hearing but at the same time white house officials do expect this transition to happen from kathleen sebelius to sylvia burwell to happen in may. that depends on the confirmation progress. >> that means congress is going to actually have to let a confirmation process happen. >> that has been tough and go

over the last session plus. >> they've been starting to say positive things. john mccain last night tweeted that she thinks sylvia burwell will be fine over health and services. perhaps a glimmer of hope. >> a friend of hers should buy her a sign on her desk that says, wasn't me, for all the people who are going to come in complaining. >> i don't think it's going to show up at her desk. >> no? >> maybe i will get it for her. >> maybe you shall. coming up next on "new day," flight 370 dropped dramatically in altitude. does this confirm what the investigators have said, that someone deliberately made the turn and also does this mean that someone deliberately tried to avoid radar detection or is there another explanation? we'll take a look. also, the oscar pistorius trial is at its crucial point. why did he break down this time? you're going to want to see it and hear it because the prosecutor is finally questioning about what happened that night. what oscar pistorius says he did

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it is day three of oscar pistorius' cross-examination but

the real test has now begun. the prosecution is going through what happened the night reeva steencamp was killed. continually accusing pistorius of tailoring his testimony. pistorius lost it once again grinding court to a halt. what is it like to be in that courtroom and watch this phase, this is what it all comes down to. >> absolutely. it's so crucial how oscar pistorius bears up under this pressure and, of course, the state has been goating him. they've been chipping away at his version of events, challenging his credibility. >> you felt it was safe enough to leave your -- >> reporter: on day three of cross-examination the prosecution questioning oscar pistorius' fear of burglary in the gated community. >> you thought that it was safe enough not to immediately fix a

broken window downstairs. >> i bought the glass for the broken window and it was in the process of getting repaired. >> reporter: the prosecutor accusing pistorius of tailoring evidence. >> you are covering up, you're tailoring your evidence. >> reporter: the athlete questioned about whether or not the alarm in his home was activated on the night he shot steencamp. pistorius said he must have turned off the alarm because it didn't go off which the prosecutor described as a vague response. t pistorius blaming any slip-ups on his answers from being tired. >> mr. pistorius, it's important that you should be all here when you're in that witness box. you understand that? >> i do, my lady. >> reporter: the prosecution asking the athlete a crucial question. if you thought a burglar was climbing through the bathroom window why didn't he discuss the noise with steencamp when he knew she was awake. >> she's awake. did you not say, reeva, did you hear that? >> i would -- there was no

thoughts in my mind that i heard what i heard, my lady. i didn't need confirmation. >> reporter: on thursday the prosecution laid out the case the night pistorius shot and killed steencamp. >> i built my case to say that when you got up, you had an argument, that's why she ran away screaming. >> reporter: the state's theory, the olympian and his girlfriend had a heated argument in the bedroom and she fled to the bathroom trying to escape an angry pistorius. but the olympian said he feared there was a burglar in his home. >> i didn't intend to shoot. i was pointing -- my firearm was pointed at the door because that's where i remember that somebody was. when i heard a noise, i didn't have time to think and i fired my weapon. it was an accident. >> reporter: the prosecutor unwilling to believe the shooting was anything less than murder. >> your version is so improbable that nobody would ever think it's reasonably possible true. it's so improbable. >> reporter: that prosecutor constantly provoking oscar pistorius.

in the past two days while he's been on the stand he said, it never happened, your version is a lie, you're adept in your version, over and over again. so much so the judge actually enter jeked this morning, telling the prosecutor to pind mind his language, that he can't call the witness a liar while he's on the stand. back to you. >> adversarial role in the courtroom going to a whole new level, it appears. thank you very much following the pistorius trial for us. let's get over to our meteorologist indra petersons for us. i'm smiling, i got to say weekend. >> that's the important part. another important part is the temperatures. near 70 in new york city. mid 70s, even 80s in d.c. even to florida, everyone looks good but keep in mind that doesn't mean we're not seeing the rain. yes, there are some chances for showers but not light. these are not big systems as we go through the weekend. okay, under an inch over towards

minneapolis. half an inch near chicago. it's not a big deal. all we want to focus on are the temperatures. none the less, it's making it through the ohio valley right now and spreading into the northeast on the friday night plans. not great but it clears out by saturday. midwest, keep in mind another system will start to make its way through. this one a little stronger. this is the guy that does have a threat for severe weather. minimal in opmaha. through dallas, keep that in mind if you're flying on sunday. we could see some delays in that region. here's something that came out. hurricane season, keep in mind there's a threat now for an el nino. effe expecting a below average hurricane season. only one major hurricane expected. keep in mind we had andrew it was also below average season but at the time it was the costliest season for a hurricane at the time. if you want to know the names, there you go. hopefully we do not have to get too familiar with them. >> i don't want to know any of these names. >> i'm going to go with zero.

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welcome back to "new day," everyone. more confidence than ever this morning coming from australia's

prime minister, saying they know roughly where flight 370's black box is. meantime, cnn is learning more about the final hours of flight 370. sources saying the jet's altitude dropped abruptly, down to between 4,000 and 5,000 feet. joining me now at the map to discuss, cnn analyst david soucie. so, david, i really want to get your take on this because this altitude dip is come foundi ico me. let's show the flight path with this big dip, generally in the area where it would happen. so you have the assent. you have the left turn. then you have this dramatic drop. then at some point it comes back up to cruising altitude. >> right. >> when you first hear that, what does that tell you? >> the dramatic drop would be consistent with something happened on the aircraft, losing pressurizatio pressurization, a fire on board, smoke on board because you have to get to a lower altitude to people could breath without

supplemental oxygen. >> could it suggest something else? emergency maneuver, i understand that. >> the talk now is that it was avoiding radar. there's credibility to that in that trying to get below that radar, there is discussion as to whether radar can catch the airplane down below 5 thundershower fe,000 feet. >> we can show it cruising altitude 35,000 feet. we'll show where this plane was cruising at. and as it drops down, it says that it dropped down below 5,000, between 4,000 and 5,000 feet, which the argument is is that is below radar detection. it stayed there and disappeared from radar for 120 nautical miles. that seems very brief. >> very brief. in fact, it's less than 20 -- about 24 minutes depending on your speed. so why it would be down there, i can't explain that. we're still asking the why, of course, on everything. >> you wonder if it went down for an emergency maneuver because there was smoke in the cockpit why didn't it stay down

there. >> it would have had to have stayed there. to think about getting back up to 35,000 feet, if it was because there was no oxygen, then you're back up there, there is no oxygen. so why would you do that? >> i know there's a lot of questions still to be asked, how quickly it dids as a send. >> or descend. >> what would this feel like the you dropped from 35,000 to let's say 4500. >> we have to understand the data which we don't have all of it yet but we have one point where it exited below 5,000 feet and one where it entered above 5,000 feet. getting there and getting out of there, we don't know. if it was dramatic like this, which is i don't think what they're saying, what it could have been is a slow decent. if they had done a dramatic descent, it's very dramatic. you can dive it up to 14,000 feet per minute which is incredibly fast.

you've got people screaming in the airplane at that point. that's how dramatic it is. >> from your experience, does this suggest -- we don't know the why. but does this suggest what investigators have said all along a lot of this came because of deliberate action in the cockpit? does this need to be deliberate? >> to me it does more than suggest it because to program something like that it would go down to 5,000 feet and back up again would take some planning, it would take the ability to preprogram those movements and all that change. it's not something that would be in a scratch pad where you can just transfer the information over. this is a pretty extensive procedure for how to put all of that in. intent and then back up again if the data is correct. >> what is your lingering question with regard to this investigation? >> mostly why did it come back up again. i have reasonable explanation for why they would decide to go

down. if at that point they lost radio communication, they knew their navigation wasn't proper and they started heading this direction and they were lost, say, the safest thing to do is to get below 18,000 feet, out of the commercial airspace area and try to get down below there so they can avoid causing any damage to anybody else in the area. what i don't understand is why then go back up to 35,000 feet. >> that is the perplexing part. david, thank you for trying to help us explain what is an unexplain obligation. the death toll rising overnight in a fiery crash involving a fedex truck and a charter bus packed with high school students on interstate 5 in california. both of the drivers were killed along with five students and three adult chaperones on the bus. he crossed over and collided head-on with the bus which was taking seniors on a college tour in northern california.

more than 30 people were injured in this crash. the suspect in a deadly hit and run accident in a florida day care center is in custody this morning. robert corchado fled the scene after his suv rear-ended another car and sent it crashing into the day care center. he turned himself in late thursday after a statewide manhunt. a 4-year-old girl was killed and 13 other children and one adult were injured in this accident. there are new questions about the motive for the teen who stabbed 21 people at a pennsylvania high school. the attorney for 16-year-old alex hribal suggests he may have been bullied although the fbi refutes that. the lawyer wants hribal to have a psychiatric evaluation, eight students remain hospitalized after wednesday's attack. three of them are in critical condition. all right. a brief scare and an impressive recovery for former secretary of state hillary clinton. a woman threw a shoe at her during a speech in las vegas. but wait until you see how she

responded. brianna keilar has more. >> in about two -- what was that, a bat? was that a bat? that's somebody throwing something at me? is that part of cirque de soleil? >> reporter: hillary clinton cracking jokes just seconds after a woman hurled a shoe at her during a paid speech in las vegas to the institute of scrap recycling industries. >> i didn't know solid waste management was so controversial. >> reporter: the hurler who slipped in without a ticket was immediately subdued and taken into custody. it's not the first time objects have been thrown at a politician. an iraqi journalist chucked not one but two shoes at president bush during this news conference and protesters in egypt through tomatoes and then secretary of state clinton's motorcade. the latest incident nowhere near as threatening. >> thank goodness she didn't

play softball like i did. >> reporter: perhaps an item for her new memoir which her publishers said this week will come out in mid june. until then, expect some more dodging from clinton, not shoes but questions about her presidential ambitions. >> and i am thinking about it. >> reporter: brianna keilar, cnn, washington. >> i frankly am very impressed by the jokes that came immediately after. i know you were questioning how quick her physical reaction was. you think she should have reacted more quickly. >> i think politics is all about comparison. and i think president bush's ducking of the shoe overseas was quicker and more impressive. >> wide left. >> she we -- this came out of left field. let's test it out. burman, pretend giving a speech. >> actually catch the shoe? >> cat like. >> i knew you were going to throw it at me. the jokes were impressive and shows something that's important for her. she's not taking herself that seriously.

that was good. >> solid waste management joke followed by a cirque de soleil joke. >> i want you to contemplate how chris would have reacted. >> contemplate it. >> tweet me. would you throw a shoe at me? >> #yes. >> #youwouldbehurtingafterward. malaysia's military scrambled planes hours after flight 370 disappeared. the question, why would it take so long? we're going to take you behind that decision. plus, we have to follow up on this bus and truck collision that claimed the lives of several high school students in california. the images are so difficult to see. it's such a devastating crash. we're going to talk with a police official on the scene about what possibly could have caused this.

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welcome back to "new day." malaysian government official tells cnn that their air force jets were scrambled just hours after flight 370 went missing. malaysia transportation ministry is deny that report. that's confusing. we're used to that in this gas. it does raise questions about what happened during those crucial first hours. because if you recall, the report from the military which was supposedly new information, we got it from nic robertson yesterday who is over there unpacking this story for us, was that they actually knew that the plane had gone across the peninsula and it scrambled jets after it. so joining us now is colonel cedric layon the, a retired member of the u.s. air force and a senior service adviser.

colonel, very good to have you with us this morning. so, let's look at this one step at a time. all right? something familiar from the investigation. the military says they scrambled jets. the ministry of transportation denies the report. is there any way to make sense of that type of confusion? it is either true or it is not. >> exactly, chris. good morning. it is one of those area where's clearly the malaysian government is speaking with not one voice but at least two and probably more than that. so they don't have their message out right. in this particular case if you scramble jets, that's going to be a military responsibility, so i would lend more credence to the military's statement on this than the transportation ministry's statement on this particular issue. >> especially when you build in the next factor, which is, it took hours to do it which raises the question why did it take so long and would it even be effective at that point. >> exactly. and when you look at something like that, if you scramble a jet, what you're doing, chris,

is you want to get to the area that you're interested in very, very quickly. you know, scrambling a jet means you're going fast. you're putting it on after burner and you're going after the target. you know, usually it's an unidentified object that you see on radar and you're trying to really ascertain what that object is, whether or not that object is a threat and whether or not you need to shoot that object down. and so in this particular case when you see what they did and the fact that it apparently took them many, many hours to do that, the idea of scrambling a jet at that moment is highly ineffective, to say the least. >> then we hear that they scrambled them to the west, which now kind of coordinates with what they're telling us they believe the flight path was and yet the original search area was north and east and also west. why would they have been looking north and east if they know they scrambled jets to the west? it. >> makes no sense. clearly indicates that there was some faulty communication. one possibility here is that the jet -- the jets that were

scrambled were operating on different information and may have not known that the target that they were looking at on radar, that resulted in the jet scramble, was actually mh370. that could possibly explain why they were doing the search and rescue mission on the eastern side of malaysia and a scramble on the western side. they may not have known that it was the same object, but in this particular case, it's clearly shows that there is a lack of coordination between the civil aviation authorities which would be the transportation ministry, and the military authorities, which, of course, would be handling any threats to the country of malaysia. >> another detail that needs twes twesing this morning. this information that they believe the plane dipped to low altitude, especially for a 777, may be as low as 5,000 feet. assuming they have a way of knowing this, assuming they're right, it is fueling all of this talk of an intentional act to possibly avoid radar.

does it shape up as that to you? >> well, 5,000 feet is still pretty high in most radar coverage would allow for radar to pick up a flying plane at about 5,000 feet. however, it is possible given the particular terrain that you're dealing with in that part of the malaysian peninsula, there are mountains that are higher than 5,000 feet, it is possible to fly an aircraft below mountain level which would be about 7,000 feet in some of those areas and that then could result in the aircraft being maf masked for a brief period of time from radar coverage. that area is primarily a jungle area. it's right on the tai/malaysian border. and it is possible for an aircraft to dip below 7,000 feet and not come out on radar or at

least not be seen as an object that merits attention. so it is theoretically possible but at some point they're going to pick it upcoming in and going out. so that's the key area wheres there's some problem with that particular idea. >> and then, of course, you have the real confounding question dill that it is believed to have returned to normal flight altitude which have undone any hiding that it had done before that. so let me end with this, colonel. do you believe that they scrambled jets? do you believe they did that? >> well, it would not be what i would call a scramble in the traditional sense of the word. if it were a reaction at the time that they saw the actual radar blip and couldn't identify that radar blip and then they scrambled jets, in other words, they went right at that moment in time to intercept that particular radar signature, then it would be a true scramble. in this particular case, to scramble jets at a point in time many hours after the plane went missing and many hours after the

radar blip was reported, is to the a true scramble and is a complete waste of resources from a military standpoint. >> the military doesn't have a lot of motivation to lie about that because it's not something that makes them look good necessarily. so you put some credibility in that report. colonel, thank you very much. appreciate the perspective this morning. helpful. >> you bet, chris. my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> kate? coming up, the latest on a bus and truck collision that killed several high school students in california. we're going to talk to a police official on the scene about what went wrong. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? an apron is hard work. an apron is pride in what you do. an apron is not quitting until you've made something a little better. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? for us, everything.

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we're following breaking news this morning. a college trip for high school seniors in the l.a. area turned into a deadly collision when a truck slammed into their bus head-on. ten people are dead including five of the students. lucy is public information officer for the california highway patrol. she's joining us from california. thank you very much for joining us. what can you tell us about how this happened? >> well, at this time the cause of the collision is still under investigation. what we do know is that the fedex big rig was headed southbound on interstate 5. the reason that it crossed over the center median and into the oncoming traffic is still under investigation at this time. it did sideswipe a small white

sedan before it collided head-on with the bus with the students. >> and what do we know about how the victims are doing? >> we do have the nine confirmed deceased. we do have one that is still under critical condition at u.c. davis. 35 total were transported to the local hospitals with moderate to minor injuries. >> lacey, how do you explain how people are either killed seemingly almost instantly in this crash or pretty much were able to walk away? it's unusual, isn't it? >> oh, it's very unusual. in fact, when i arrived onscene i was surprised that anyone walked away from the collision. as you can see, the damage is just horrendous. and the entire front of the bus, as well as the big rig, are just completely charred. >> the people inside the bus, are they able to tell you what it was like after the collision, how the bus responded, what kind of -- what they had to deal with

to get out? >> you know, sir, i have not been able to speak to any of the students personally, so i have not heard any of their stories. i know it took a mass effort from, you know, local fire departments and ambulances and the highway patrol and sheriff's department, everyone kind of pulled together and got here and got the students off the bus as soon as possible. >> we're actually hearing the response was immediate and that made all the difference. how quickly was this effort coordinated and how extensive was it? >> you know, we had a highway patrol unit that was just a couple miles down the road from the collision, so him being able to see the smoke, to almost visibly see the collision from a far distance, he immediately got units and fire departments and ambulances rolling to those t. scene and that was absolutely vital in the survival of many of the students. >> and the investigation is obviously going the continue into why this happened.

at this point, is there any kind of issue of blame other than just bad driving? is there any kind of suggestion that anything else was at play? >> no, sir. until the investigation is complete, and likely an autopsy is performed, we won't know the reason for the collision until our multi-disciplinary accident investigation team concludes their investigation, which could take up to a couple of months. they have a lot of facts and evidence to gather and put together and put all the pieces of the puzzle together to find out what happened. >> it's just amaze that he had -- not for that fast response, who knows what would have happened because once these two vehicles went up, as we can see from the pictures, it was just an inferno. how long did it take to put it out? >> i'm unsure of the time. i know with the quick response, the fire didn't spread very far. it was contained rather quickly due to the quick response. >> boy, it's amazing just looking at the pictures that people walked away and you were able to quiet down flames.

everybody is going to be very interested to hear why this happened because it's just horrible. kids so young having lives stopped so short. adults as well. lacey, thank you. appreciate the information this morning. >> thank you, sir. all right. so we've been following this crash. we also have a lot more on the search for flight 370. so we're going to be taking you through these stories with the latest information from everywhere the story is happening right now p. let's get to it. we are confident that we know the position of the black box flight recorder. >> everything is in flames already. >> there was one person when we arrived on scene who was on fire. >> this is not a who done it. this is a question of why. >> my best friend jumped in front of me and takes the knife for me. >> what was going through my mind, will i survive or will i die? >> good morning. welcome to "new day." it is friday, april 11th.

7:00 in the east. new this morning, search teams have closed in on flight 370. they say to within just a few miles. those are the words of australia's prime minister telling reporters that they're, quote, very confident those pings picked up over the last several days are from the plane's black box. and we have new information about the final hours of the flight itself. let's begin with mathew chance live from perth. >> chris, thanks very much. the australian prime minister tony abbott briefly raising hopes some progress had been raised of ever the course of the past 24 hours. he was speaking to china, chinese people the majority on board the missing malaysian airliner. they're intensely interested in progress. he went a little further, i think it's fair to say, than any other australian official had gone in terms of characterizing that progress saying that they were confident that the signals that had been listened to under the surface of the indian ocean was from the black box flight

recorders. they had narrowed down the search within a mile or so. in fact, according to the man who is over seaing the multinational search effort, angus houston, there's been no real breakthrough, no significant breakthrough, in the past 24 hours. so angus houston attempting to claw back a little bit under raised anticipation that the remarks by the australian prime minister had made. never the less, the search area has diminished significantly. it's now down to 1,000 square miles which you think about a week ago or so it was more than 80,000 square miles of search area. so there has been a significant amount of progress since then. back to you, kate. >> all right. mathew chance in perth, australia, for us. fu for that update. let's talking about new developments here. miles o'brien, a cnn aviation analyst and science correspondent for pbs news hour and mary schiavo and former inspector general and now an attorney who represents victims

and families after airplane disasters. mary, i want to start with you. i want to start where mathew chance began. the statement from the prime minister this morning is saying we're very confident the signals from the black boxes are the missing plane and then he says we are confident we know the position of the black box flight recorder to within some kilometers. that's going further than we can say anyone really has, especially someone of his position to this point. and that seems to really narrow it down more than the search area we've discussed so far. what do you think? >> well, that is a significant narrowing because when we last heard the pings were some 17 miles apart and that would make a very large search area for the submissibles. if we have it narrowed down, one bluefin-21 can cover about 40 square miles, as they call it, mowing the ocean floor a day. so that would indeed be good news for the crew that's going to put the submersibles down to

start searching. i would question how they were able to do that if the most recent ping turned, as they mentioned, turned out not to be a signal from the sunken black boxes but, however they did it, nar rogue it down is hugely important. >> i was wondering the same thing. this would seem more plausible if that ping had been connected to the black box. but there is more information that, of course, i assume they are not giving it publicly. miles, according to the joint agency, the coordination center out of australia, they now say they have two search areas today totaling about 18 square miles, these two areas. we were at 500 square miles yesterday as far as the search area that we knew. do you think this is small enough that they should put in the bluefin? >> well, you know, if they have any expectation that those pingers are energizer bunnies and are still going, i think they're going to keep doing what they're doing because the more you can narrow down that search the better off you are.

as slow as this is, it's going to be much slower when we get into the unmanned vehicle, the bluefin and doing it sonar search. that's just a very laborious process. it will stretch on for quite some time. it's easy to look at this and say let's just get the sonar going on this area but it's still a pretty big area and lit take some time. it's not insurmountable, it's just the matter of the equation of time. >> it takes some six times -- it takes the bluefin six times longer to cover the same area the tpl can cover in one day. mary, on this fifth ping that authorities are saying is not connected to the black box, was the ping a fluke, do you think? what do you think that -- do we take anything from that for this investigation? >> well that ping came from different technology. that ping came from the sonobuoy and i think once they analyze it, once they get the ping information, they apply their

algorithms to figger out signal strength, directions, i guess they can to estimate which one is a strong one, a good one, where it is locationwise. that didn't fit the algorithm either. different source just playing different signal. so that one was ruled out. >> when we're looking at this search area, despite, i guess we could say the disappointing news that this fifth ping didn't turn out to be anything, miles, do you think that -- do you think that the search area, when we're looking at the search area, is there any way to narrow it down further without the pings? i wonder at this point, how much longer can we expect them to be, as you say, the energizer bunny and keep working past their life? >> give it a few more days and with no pings in a few days i think that there will be tremendous pressure to shift gears and go into the uav, the unmanned autonomous vehicle. i think that's going to happen.

you know, a couple of thoughts on those sonobuoys. they're designed to chase soviet submarines. they were either ideally suited for much lower frequency. so the fact that they were even able to tweak them in such a way to detect this higher we frequency of 37.5 kilohertz is, you know, a technological accomplishment and we should give them credit for it. i think that's why we got to be careful about the data that comes out of it. the other thing is, any time you hear a politician talking about an accident and the technicalitys of it, i would make sure you have a certain degree -- keep the grain of salt handy. put it that way. >> that's a good point. almost as soon as you said that angus houston said we have had no breakthrough. just so everyone is clear. son some level. i want to get your takes on the lack of debris field still. from your experience, mary, the fact that we still have not -- we've now narrowed the search area for the ping, the black box down significantly, we still

have had no detection of any debris. realistically, how far away can this debris field be from your experience? we have not yet seen it. >> well, at this point it can be hundreds of miles away. and there are a few accidents, not many, but there are a few aviation accidents in history in which no debris was found. they later found, in some cases, that they were just looking the wrong place. they expected the debris to go west and they went east or vice versa, went east and it was west. there are a few accidents in which that is the case. most of the time what they find out is it's a scattered debris field under the ocean if they do find the wreckage. and not that there wasn't any, that it just got carried away by currents. in modern aviation history they haven't found the airliner intact at the bottom of the ocean. they just never found the deb s debris. >> do you think there's a chance, miles, that this plane impacted the water in such a fashion that it remained largely

intact? >> i think there's a chance. it's kind of a long shot chance. if it happened it certainly would imply somebody at the controls who had some great skill to do that because ditching in the ocean, it's not a sully sul berger scenario. the swells in the ocean require a lot of technique. there is a technique that we're trained as pilots to do if you have to ditch in the ocean and it has to do with timing, the swells, you know, coming in on the back side of a swell or c e coming in parallel to the swells. it's hard to imagine it but it's not inconceivable, either. >> but you agree, mary, very unlikely? >> well, in flight school you're trained for water ditching just because. it's never successful but on the ocean you're supposed to land between the swells. you're supposed to land with the white caps, in the same direction of the white caps but between the swells. and it wasn't a full moon that night so if you're having a

probable with the airplane it would be awfully difficult to illuminate the landing light in the ocean. really tough job at night, not a full monday on ton on the india. there's always a chance for a first time. >> that's right. that's all without even knowing what's going on in the cockpit at that very time. we still have yet to know exactly what was going on in that cockpit. mary schiavo, miles o'brien, great to see you guys. thank you so very much. chris? >> it's very important that they're parsing the information because we are finding out more now about the final hours of flight 370. sources are telling cnn the malaysian government dispatched aircraft after the plane went missing. something malaysian officials are now calling false. senior international correspondent nic robertson who broke that news live is still with us and he's in kuala lumpur trying to figure all this out. nic, not unusual for the investigation to officially deny things that come out from other sources. what's the latest part of this?

>> well, what malaysian officials are saying and we have this from the chief of the royal malaysian air force, they're quoting our reporting that the malaysian air force search aircraft was scrambled around 8:00 a.m. soon after malaysian airlines reported that the plane was missing on monday the 8th, that the aircraft was scrambled before shorts corroborated data indicating the plane had turned backward, a senior malaysian government official told us but the air force did not inform civil aviation of search and operation until three days later. that's what the statement here that we have from the head of the malaysian air force who is saying that is not true. we have it from two sources here. one who has been very credible over a strong period, over a long period of time. through the beginning of the investigation. this we remember is the source who originally told us that the plane made that left turn back. it took three days for the

government back then to admit, even longer actually, for the government to admit the prime minister to come out and admit that the plane made that left-hand turn back. so this is one of the sources here who has been b right all along. what we have here is pushed back from malaysian air force about this issue. we have from two sources who told us the aircraft were dispatched about 8:00 a.m. in the morning. one of the sources described saying that it wasn't until three days later that the air force informed civil aviation one of the sources couldn't confirm that, didn't believe that was the case. so it's not quite clear precisely what the malaysian air forces pushed back. i've been back to look at government press releases around about that time. and what we can see on the 12th of march, that's several days later, it says when the prime minister ordered a search area expanded saturday after they

found no trace we examined our military radar records. we then dispatched ships and aircraft to the search area. so we have here on record on another government statement, on the same headed paper we're looking at the one today, saying actually they did deploy ships and aircraft into the same search area tons saturday. so i'm a little confused precisely what they're pushing back on at the moment. is it the time of day, is it the language used? all of that is not clear at the moment. it's very contradictory, chris. >> or is it consistent with there being very controlling about the flow of information? we've seen that as well, that things have been denied until they're ready to say it in their own way. maybe that's what's going on here as well. do us a favor, let us know what you figure out on this. appreciate it. we're also following more breaking news this morning. at least ten killed and dozens more injured after a truck crossed over a highway median in california and collided head-on with a bus full of high school

opportunities. cnn's stefanie elam is live in california with the latest. the images are just horrific. stefanie. >> they really are, kate. and if you take a look at the bus which is still here on the highway, on interstate 5, you can take a look at it. it's almost impossible to believe that anyone survived. we do know that a lot of people did survive. but at the same time, the loss of life is very huge. we lost ten people here. there were nine that died on scene. one that died at the hospital. of those people, five were high school students and three were adult chaperones on the bus and then the driver of the fedex truck that hopped over the median also dying and driver of the bus. they do not know what went wrong or why they would have had this xw accident in the first place. the ntsb is coming here to investigate that. the other passengers on the bus are expected to be okay. they do not think the number of deaths will go beyond ten.

but still a very tragic and a very scary accident that was a very fiery accident that people could see very far away from here. it's a very rural area. they could see it far and wide but still a lot of people taken to the hospitals and some have been discharged at this point, kate. >> thank you very much. if you get any more information on the victims or what they're doing with the investigation, let us know. a lot of other news for you this morning as well, so let's get to john berman. >> kathleen sebelius guided the rocky roll out of the obamacare website and she took plenty of heat for that. now she is resigning as health and human services secretary. president obama will make that announcement today and he will nominate her replacement, sylvia burwell, who is currently the white house budget chief. we'll have much on the sebelius resignation on "inside politics" later this hour. relentless day of cross-examination for oscar pistorius. the track star sparring with the prosecutor. each side accusing the other of changing their stories. as the prosecution methodically asked questions about what

happened the night that pistorius shot and killed his girlfriend. now, court grinding to a halt again at one point when pistorius broke down. a statewide florida man hunt is over this morning with the suspect in a deadly hit and run accident now in custody. corchado turned himself in a day after he rear-ended a car and sent it crashing into a day care center. a 4-year-old girl was killed. 13 other children and one adult were injured. four children remain hospitalized this morning. one in critical condition. chris? >> just terrible. at least now they know who they're dealing with and what it is. john, appreciate the news. let's take a break here on "new day." when we come back, with every fresh lead there's fresh hope and anguish for the families of flight 370. how are they handling this roller coaster? we're bog going to speak with t partner of one of the flight's american passengers and why she believes the jet is being intentionally hidden, when we

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welcome back to "new day." australia's prime minister is convinced teams search for flight 370 are just within a few miles. but the man heading up the search says no breakthrough is imminent. that means an excruciating wait for the families is going to brag on. and the information being con zins tent makes it worse.

philip wood was an american ibm executive on that flight. his partner is sarah bajc joinings us now from beijing. sarah, thank you for joining us. it's good to have you back on the show but not under these circumstances. how are you holding up? >> i stabilized from this morning. you know, every time some official gives one of those absolute statements of, we're sure it's the pings from the black box, or we're sure it's in the ocean, we all crash. you know, our family -- the family members, our feet get knocked out from underneath us but then it always ends up reversing itself and step back from it. i guess i stabilized from this morning. >> what do you tell yourself? do you say this is because a very complex situation? do you say this is because it's an sophisticated group dealing with it or do you believe it's because of some worse motivation?

>> well, i'd like to think that the average person including the average person in this investigation is doing their best. but when nothing is making sense, even smart people can't make sense of it, then, you know, we're all just kind of guessing and grasping at straws. one of the negative parts of our constant communication is that we all feel the need to move things ahead. so i think sometimes what's happening is officials are feeling like they need to make some statement before they actually have any proof. and honestly, that's not helping anything. >> false progress. i agree with you. that's why we try here on "new day," we're constantly testing the information as opposed to fueling speculation. it sounds like it could be the same thing but it winds up being very different because what we're trying to do is make sure that every step that's taken is a sure one. and i know that you're asking questions as well. what are the questions that you

have? >> well, most of the questions that i and the other family members have is the why not questions. so, you know, everybody is convinced it's in the water. well, why is it -- why could it not be in the water, right? they've made a set of conclusions, foregone conclusions that it's in the water but there's no evidence to support that per se. and, you know, why have they not investigate odd there things and why do they keep making pronouncements when they really don't have evidence? are they trying to close this case out earlier than is due? one of the real challenges in looking at this is that the fox is very much in charge of the hen house here. we've got a country leading the investigation who also has the primary liability in the case. and it makes us question every step that's taken. >> it's understandable in your position. do you believe that the information about all these new terms that we hear, pings and

handshakes and different coordinates, that are leading this cooperative team of investigators down to the southern route, do you believe they're just wrong about those? >> i don't know if they're wrong. i just think that they're awfully certain without evidence. and so, you know, if it's -- if they've got some proof that tells them that they're supposed to be there, then i'd just like them to share that with us because so far the only thing that we as families have been given is purely circumstantial evidence with kind of analysis put on top of it. but nobody has ever done this kind of analysis so there's no confidence that it's correct. >> there is something inside of you, whether it's sentiment or it's some type of intuition that you feel that philip is still alive somewhere. >> well, you know, since the

beginning i've been having dreams and i hesitate to talk about it because it makes me feel like perhaps other people will think i'm going crazy and sometimes i think myself i'm going crazy. but then i have friends come out of the wod work, people who have known philip for, you know, 30, 40 years or have just met him in the last year or two and they're starting to share those same kinds of feelings with me. at a certain point you have to start listening to that because none of the experts and facts are getting us anywhere. maybe people's feelings, maybe their connections between humans are telling us something that our eyes and ears can't tell us. >> look, one thing we know for sure is nobody has any right to judge someone in your position no matter what they feel. so whatever is goggin side of your head and your heart, whatever works for you, works for you. and until we have sure answers, there's no proper course to be following. there's no better thing that you could be doing than what you're doing right now.

so if we can help by passing questions along and getting information that the families want, you let us know. you know you have an open channel here. and we wish you well until we get some answers. >> thank you very much. keep investigating this, please. >> we will, sarah. take care. kate? all right. coming up next on "new day," australian officials say they're getting closer to finding flight 370. how are they figuring out exactly where it is? what is triangulation? former faa inspector is going to join us to explain it all. we're also going to go inside politics. a woman threw a shoe at hillary clinton in las vegas. clinton's reaction, priceless, ahead.

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hope your friday is going all right. i know yours is. i hope yours is. we have john burman in for michaela. >> pretty presumptuous as if sitting next to you is enough to make her day good. in any case, look at the headlines now. austral australia's prime minister says search teams are within a few miles of pinpointing the black box. they're very confident the signals they have detected over the last week are coming from the missing plane but the man heading up the search says there is no breakthrough eminent. ten people are dead. dozens more injured in a head-on crash between a fedex truck and charter bus on interstate 5 in california. about 100 miles from sacramento. the bus was full of high school

seniors from los angeles area on their way tos visit a college campus in northern california. five of them were killed. police say the truck crossed over the freeway median into oncoming traffic and just rammed into the bus. ukraine's acting president says pro russia separatists occupying buildings in the east will not be prosecuted if they le leave. the u.s. accuses russia of inciting this. placing thousands of troops on the border. meantime, the u.s. military has moved a ship into the area. the uss donald cook, a guided missile destroyer, has arrived in the black sea. the u.s. says it is there as a show of support for u.s. allies. chris? >> that's an interesting development. >> it is. >> thank you. it's time to get inside politics on "new day" with john king. a man who once caught a bullet in his open hand. >> if only that were true. i want you guys, i get the reference. i want you to be prepared for your shoe tossing skills. let's go inside politics with

dramatic news in washington. first, with me this morning to share the reporting and their insights, henderson of the "washington post," margaret of bloomberg news. let's start with the surprise resignation, i think it's a surprise. you tell me if not. of kathleen sebelius, testifying on capitol hill just yesterday. after nightfall in the evening we get word she has resigned and the president today will quickly announce her replacement. . we'll get to the replacement in a minute. not surprised that she wanted to get to the door. >> right. >> but i am surprise todd some degree they did this before the election because now they have a confirmation progress which gives republicans a senate platform to redebate obamacare. >> they wanted to turn the page with this. if you had gone to the afp's website a couple weeks ago sebelius was on that website. she is becoming the face of obamacare, a very negative public face. she had some poor outings in congressional hearings on the daily show. but i do think if she were a basketball coach, right, she would probably be coach of the year because she was able to turn this thing around, had good

news yesterday, 7.5 million people signed up for this thing. i think she was just becoming toxic because the politics of it just weren't good. >> as a coach who was never going to get their contract extended but at least they got to go out on sort of a high note. like the surprise announcement two years coming. there were other problems before obamacare with her handling of the contraception, she was glad to hit that 7.5 million mark. >> so the politics, former governor of kansas steps aside and a career inside person, a partisan but someone who doesn't play so politician, sylvia matthews, she was when i covered the clinton white house, sylvia matthews burwell now. just confirmed with 96 votes so she could say i have a lot of republican support. has this become now about sylvia who is known as task master, a doer, good manager, or thanks for being here so we can debate rising premiums and can you keep

your doctor? >> i think that's right. she has been getting lovely write-ups in "the times" in "the post." she will be better at this because she understands the digital side of it more than sebelius because she's younger and that does b really necessarily make sense. but, you know, it could be that she runs into the same problems. >> it's also part that she's very much part of the inside the white house team. the white house wants to control and manage everything anyway. it would be easy this way. >> she becomes a proxy in this debate. if you need any indication the republicans are not going to back off because kathleen sebelius stepped aside, listen to the former florida governor jeb bush at connecticut at a dinner honoring his grandfather and thinking about run for president in 2016. no matter who runs for the republicans jeb bush thinks this. >> we must repeal obamacare and replace it with a consumer directed market oriented policy. >> the last part of that is significant. he doesn't say just repeal and stop. he does get, because former governor, that you better tell the american people, especially because this will be on the

books like it or not for years by the time elect the next president. change something. >> you change something and you change the subject from talking about immigration and love, right? >> is that what that is? he said it's an act of love, you shouldn't think of it as a felony. conservatives, you may not like me at immigration but i will repeal obamacare? >> you have to touch the base. you need to be against obamacare if you're thinking of running as a republican nominee. >> that's the only way for him to touch the base for him. >> interesting and somewhat difficult conversation. we've heard sometimes through the president's aides and now directly from the attorney general who thinks sometimes the treatment this administration gets from republicans in congress might have something to do with race. listen to eric holder here, the president's attorney general, like the president, an african-american. eric holder served in the clinton administration. has a history with the congress. progressive group in new york about how he believes he and the president are treated differently. >> forget about me.

you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committee. had nothing to do with me. forget that. what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> now, the house speaker john boehner says this has nothing to do with race. this has to do, he says, with republican complaints that eric holders has not been fully force coming when they've asked for documents about fast and furious or when the administration and other cases where it's benghazi or health care, the republicans and then the republicans go on and say that the administration plays the raise card. it says, you're beating us up. can we sort this one out or is this all in the eye of the beholder? >> beholder. holder has always been frank about his discussions abiliout race. he said this is nation of cowards when it comes to talking about race. he hasn't really taken too kindly to the treatment that he's faced on the hill.

he's seen it as sign of disrespect. he was there breapreaching to t choir, a very progressive group. you will see the president there today talking about voting rights. >> what's been fascinating about this week is president obama, since his campaign has tried to tread lightly on race. in the span of three days now, three days, we've seen nancy pelosi talk about race, context of immigration. eric holder basically saying he's treated differently by congress because of his race. >> not about me though. >> and obama talks about it at lbj. it's almost like too tempting to say, are they testing this as parallel an tangent to the economic equality message? it's hard to imagine they will do that between now and november. >> he's going there. and obama will be there. i think the first lady is. >> very much listening to them. let's move on. one of the key races of 2014 officially has its candidate. scott brown was the former massachusetts senator. now he wants to be senator from

the state of new hampshire. he's moved back there. he says he was born there. look at the polling numbers. down ten points to the incumbent democrat in january. six-point race now. a lot of republicans think this is proof maybe not that he's going to win but they have another rice, when they need six to get the senate majority, this proves the man is still expanding for them, their odds are still getting better, right? >> i love when he says he was born there. >> i shouldn't say it that like that. >> a birth certificate. no, that's right. in fact, when you listen to the republicans promoting him they're not saying like he is the world's greatest candidate or he's really a new hampshire guy at heart. >> any stand ing there in new hampshire. >> it's all about beating democrats for control of the senate. they think that. they think that maybe shaheen could be weaker by the drag-down effect of the other democrats, anti-democrat year. he's running as an outsider, alternative to her and alternative to obamacare. >> the biggest winner here is wmur tv, the local tv station

which going to make a boatload of dimes on all the ads. hillary clinton has been on the road giving speeches, a lot of people think she's testing things and getting her mojo back to run for office in 2016. one of the things you've got to do as a candidate is deal with criticism. sometimes it's spoken. sometimes it's hurled. hillary clinton in nevada last night as a shoe thrown at her. listen. >> whoofs that was that, a bat? was that a bat? that's somebody throwing something at me? is that part of cirque de soleil? my goodness, i didn't know solid waste management was so controversial. thank goodness she didn't play softball like i did. >> as we get back to the great folks. very quickly, good reaction, right reaction? >> pretty good reaction, my goodness. you know, yeah, it was funny.

good reflexes. >> she nailed it and she ducked well. >> you guys are debating this in new york last hour. you know, when george w. bush faced this in iraq, the shoe came from head on. hillary clinton saw it out of the corner of her eye. a lot of people don't understand this, liberal or conservatives. i've known secretary clinton a long time from her days of first lady t of arkansas. she's actually a very funny woman. >> the jokes are strong. >> the softball joke is hilarious. >> kate had a great physical part of that joke to go with it. what is the gesture that she should have made when she made the softball joke. >> what do you mean? >> the blowing up the spot move. do it. >> i'm not doing that. john? >> she got very gangster when she said it. you would appreciate it. >> john king knows probably because he's -- >> i've been on the end of ms. kate balduan's wrath before. >> want to hear something funny? the lefties are saying that my

comparing hillary's ducking to bush's ducking is false equivalenc equivalency. >> why? >> because it was dark in the theater where she was and it was harder for her to duck. it was easier for bush. so it's false equivalency. >> how many more can you throw up in. >> stay aaway from people throwing things. >> analysis of shoe throwing. you know? >> exactly. >> fair or unfair. >> why didn't she duck? >> it shows. >> she's that liberal. thanks, john. have a great weekend. >> show them what you did. >> i'm not. >> i'll show. >> i cannot believe -- >> when the softball joke was made, good thing she didn't play softball. kate went like this. >> this is why you cannot do anything off the record with him because he will tell everyone. >> you know you liked it. >> i'm tearing up right now. we're going get back to the news that matters. we're going to zero in on flight 370 because australia's prime minister says he is confident those pings are in the missing

plane. why is he so confident? we'll take it apart with our own experts. and the teen accused in that vicious pittsburgh area stabbing spree is talking. what he revealed to his attorney just ahead.

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how are they so confident? david soucie is back with us, author of "why planes crash." let's start with what we know, david. that's the important thing of where we are. we know we have the arc. right? >> this is from the inmarsat data. so let's go back to what that is. >> so we've got the arc. we've got the inmarsat data. in addition to that, we have this is the "ocean shield"'s path and how they've been searching for pings. >> you notice the pattern here. the arc is -- give me a color. the arc was somewhat like that. >> this shows that -- this shows why they started searching right about here. >> yes. and that's also why they're so confident in what's going on because this is where they started. they ran up in here and then lo and behold what they found was some pings. >> for a little bit of background before we move on, explain, because everyone thought they were doing the path was this back and forth pattern. why does it look like this in

how they searched? there's a reason. >> there is a reason. and you heard this mowing the lawn term. that has more to do with the underwater search. >> got it. >> this isn't mowing the lawn. if they did it would be a really scrappy lawn. so the ship is going around. what they're trying to do is look at this most probable locations. there's only about a six-mile radius on the ocean floor which as you go up about 1,000 meters from that it's less than that. so you're only trying to find this five or six-mile primary signal from the beeper. >> let's add the pings. we've added in, right, exactly, clear out the arc. >> put the arc back in somewhere. >> we know they're confident because they have these pings. >> right. >> they come up on the arc. >> correct. >> what more do they need though? they've now narrowed it down. i was just looking at the most recent press release. now searching an area that is much smaller than what we thought yesterday. they're looking at an area that is really focused on about 18

square miles. >> right. you've got about 24 -- well, about 18 square miles this way. >> right. >> between these pings. the first ping they got was a two-hour journey here. so for two hours they were within somehow within that -- that reach of the pinger. these others are what i'm going to call outliers. >> why is there such a discrepancy, if you will, in the duration of the time? you think this is the most reliable, the two hours plus. >> without a doubt. >> then what happened here? >> what happened down here is they're trying to rule out other areas because they're trying to say is this a false positive or is it real? and so they ran this. then they said, let's verify it. let's move around in this big 25-mile radius and see what else is going on in here. they picked this up. these are probably, most probably, reflections or refractions off that temperature layer that we talked about. there's a temperature layer so

that when this ping starts radiating out it hits the temperature layer and then it can come back down. so you've got these things. so now you're dragging your pinger through here, the tpl, and from here to here, maybe seven minutes. from here to here, maybe it's five minutes. >> i see. >> okay. >> okay. >> so you may not necessarily be -- i got a lot of lines going up there. >> you do. you're going crazy. i don't know what to do with you. let me ask you about, how does the fifth ping, the fifth ping that they do say was a false start. how does that play into this? >> okay. >> is that a huge setback? do we learn anything from it? >> actually yes. here's how. remember all this is all about ruling out, not necessarily ruling in. >> okay. >> okay. >> okay. >> you're trying to figure out where it's not. >> testing theories and finding out where it's not maybe. >> exactly. exactly. so now this airplane flies over here and they drop these sonobuoys. 84 of them, i think it is, 84. they're all over the place. give me a different color.

so we've got all of these sonobuoys. this one picks something up. these are not designed to do this. what they're designed to do is find a submarine underneath the water. when you drop these sonobuoys, if they hear something here, you're going to get a signal for this one, this one, and that one and immediately through triangulation they know there's a submarine there and they can come in and search and destroy that submarine. that's what they're designed to do. a singular beacon here is saying there's noise here. tuned it in as close as they can do that 37 kilohertz range and from that pick up a signal. all that does is say now let's get the ship over there and look. if you go to the marine tracker website and look at where the ship went -- where is the end? it came back down here at seven knots. until then this is 1.5 knots, 1.6 knots. now it's 7 knots. somebody said get down there because at seven knots you can drag the sonobuoy, you're not going to pick anything up

because the tpl is behind it. sorry, not sonobuoy. >> they found that they didn't have it. >> they came over there and ruled it out. so is that good or bad? what it says now is it's not over here. it's not over here. >> so now they can at least start focusing somewhere. >> now you look at this two-hour run and this is looking more and more and more like that is the three-mile area, six-mile radius. >> they say they're going to take a couple more days, as many days as needed to let the batteries run out on the ping because they want to see if they can get another ping somewhere in here to help them narrow it down even a little bit more. >> that's right. >> david, thank you very much. helped me out. chris? >> kate, let's take a break here on "new day." when we come back a teen accused of going on a stabbing spree at his school speaks out. his attorney reveals what was going on in his mind during the attack. and we have a quick programming note for you. anthony borudain is back in the

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welcome back to "new day." why would a stu dent with no obvious signs of trouble slash or stab 21 people at his high

school? we're learning about what the accused has to say now. we're learning more about the heroes of that terrible day as well. miguel marquez is live covering the story for us. what do we know now? >> reporter: according to the lawyer for this young man, the 16-year-old, he says, look, this is not a random attack -- this was a random attack. he didn't starting any individuals specifically, this as we're learning big and small about the heroes that saved the day. 16-year-old bret hurt recovering from a knife woupd to the back and a bruised lung now speaking out. >> what was going through my mind, will i survive or will i die? gracie saved my life. >> reporter: that would be gracie evans, a junior here and a friend who wouldn't leave his side. >> my best friend jumps in front of me and takes the knife for me. i started putting pressure on

the wound to stop the bleeding or another hero, william yakshe, everybody calls him buzz. he helped subdue hribal. >> these kids are like my kids. >> he knows he's in a world of stuff right now and how serious it is and he can't believe he did this. >> reporter: hribal, he says, remembers everything. >> of course he remembers doing it. he did it. this is not a who dunn it. this is a question of why? >> reporter: saying hribal targeted no one specifically. his lawyer hinted bullying and more may be at the heart that drove this 100-pound, 5'2" hockey-loving kid to unfathomable rage. >> i don't want to comment specifically, but i think there are things that occurred that led to where we are today. lawyer, called in no threats and

will fight to have the 16-year-old who has been charged as an adult tried as a juvenile. >> he also says this young man is remorseful, very remorseful, remembers everything that happened on that day. says he will call in mental health experts to evaluate him. the entire thrust of his efforts at the moment will be to have this case tried at the juvenile level. chris and kat, back to you. >> that community, hopefully that can focus, trying to get back to normalcy and begin to recover. miguel, thank you very, very much. so difficult to even see it and talk about it. coming up next on "new day" australian are officials are very confident, that they're close to narrowing in on flight 370's location. what makes them so confident? our experts will weigh in. ten people dead, dozens more injured after a fiery head-on crash. what caused a fedex crush to

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we are confident that we know the position of the black box flight recorder. >> breaking news. australia's prime minister with the strongest words yet saying they've narrowed down the area of the black box to within miles. so why aren't they searching for wreckage? breaking overnight, tragedy on the highway. ten killed, many of them teenagers as a fedex truck collides with a bus. the scene, terrifying. we're going to hear from those who survived. stepping down. the woman who oversaw the obamacare rollout is leaving the white house. kathleen sebelius has resigned. new details on who will replace her. your "new day" continues right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning and welcome once again to "new day." it's friday, april 11th, 8:00 in

the east. search teams may be close to the breakthrough in the hunt for flight 370. australia's prime minister saying they are, quote, unquote, confident the signals they picked up are from the plane. a senior government official providing critical information about flight 370's final minutes in the air. let's bring in matthew chance from perth, australia, for an update. >> reporter: the australian prime minister tony abbott is on an official visit at the moment in china. china is where most of the passengers on board the missing malaysian airliner were front, 138 of them. obviously a great deal of interest there in the status of the search. i think tony abbott went to the country and went further i think than any other australian official has done in characterizing the progress so far. take a listen to what he had to say. >> we are confident that we know

the position of the black box flight recorder to within some kilometers. by confident in the approximate position of the black box is not the same as rewreckage from almost 4.5 kilometers beneath the sea or finally determining all that happened on that flight. >> reporter: the prime minister also said he was very confident that the signals that had been monitored over the past week or so, that coming from underneath the indian ocean were from the black box flight recorders from the missing malaysian airliner, that's not something the search investigators have gone so far as to say. in fact, angus houston heading up the multinational effort here has been saying over the course of the past few hours that there's been no stick any can't breakthrough this the search. >> it does get confusing, doesn't it, matthew? let's dig in our experts, mary schiavo, former inspector

general for the department of transportation and mr. miles o'brien, science correspondent for pbs "news hour." mary, is it unfair to say that there seems to be a real discon nekt of narrative when it comes to these investigations? the prime minister says he's really confident they're within miles and then he says there's no break through. the malaysian military says they scrambled jets. the ministry of transportation denies the report. is this unusual coordination or is this novel in terms of its awkwardness? >> i won't say novel in terms of awkwardness. it has put the awkwardness at a level much higher than we're used to in aircraft investigations. but the malaysian authorities have had the most disconnects. i think the prime minister was doing what politicians and prime ministers, i guess, do. but angus houston has been fairly positive in his briefings as well.

the head of the search task force. i don't really see the prime minister's message as too very different than angus houston's. >> we'll give the nod to the australians for now. they seem to be more on the up and up when things are said. miles, looking at the other side of the investigation, the malaysian military says we scrambled jets, did it five hours later. why would they lie about that when it doesn't look good for them to be five hours behind whatever it was they were chasing? >> if that's their definition of a scramble, that's not a good definition of scramble. that's ease over easy. i don't even understand what that means. there clearly was a disconnect between the military on the civilian side which was a fundamental problem. if there was a primary target like that anywhere across the united states of america, there would be jets on them so quickly you wouldn't even -- think of payne stewart, before 5/11,

there were fighter jets that escorted that jet all across the country. i'm not buying it. >> meaning you don't think it happened or they did something different than what they're saying? >> they might have gone up and bored some holes in the sky, but they weren't anywhere near the aircraft. what's their point in saying five hours later we lit the fires on some fighter jets? what does that mean? >> what do you think, mary? >> i think it's covering up holes in the radar. i think it's clear that we have two sets of radar that have made this investigation very difficult and fraught with disconnects. one, of course, the indonesian radar reports and we find indonesian radar is basically under construction. now the malaysian authorities say they saw it and we scrambled people. the alternative is to say they didn't notice, didn't pay attention. i think a lot of these reports

are to cover up problems in theory dar problems and holes in their surveillance. >> if it's a cover story, how do we recognize that with the early reports of the investigation team malaysian team following the direction of what they were told by the military and moving the search towards the west and the theory they had about the left turn? that all wound up being consistent with where they are now. so they got it from somewhere. >> for that they had radar coordinates and they had points. they had communication with air traffic control and they know this plane turned -- made the left-hand turn and turned to the west and, of course, the inmar sat data. we have very hard points for some of that. but what they did internally in malaysia, who saw what and who scrambled whom, i think that's all very suspect. the fact that the plane turned west i think is based on pretty reliable information and then it was corroborated by the inmar

sat pings to basically carve out the search area. i think anything that isn't hard data or hard evidence at this point is suspect. >> look, miles, you're a seasonnd journalist, it's not unusual for a government to give us a cover story to hide something they don't want out there. the problem is here, you've got these 239 families, this network of loved ones all hanging on every word of this. it's one thing to play with the media. it's another thing to play with these families. fair criticism? >> nothing less than torture for these families, this inconsistent coverup type of stuff comes out, and then you get politicians getting ahead of the technicalities of the search, giving false hope potentially. everybody should step back, the only voice of reason in this is mr. houston in my view. he's the only one just sticking to the facts. he's the only one doing a jack webb here. he's hoping against hope that

there's news to share. this is for the families, when a politician tells you something, i would assume to the contrary until you hear otherwise. >> mary, final point? >> miles is absolutely right. there's so much suspect here. you've often asked me, is there anything like this in history. i hit my aviation history books and there was one. there was a flight from tokyo to rio back in 1979. it completely disappeared. no wreckage, not a trace. no black boxes, nothing was ever found, 1979. there are all sorts of conspiracy theories and the government had all kind of coverage and the russians were blamed as they frequently were. in the end it was a decompression, but nothing was ever found. so it is possible that the various stories and the mysteries will go on. but we can disregard that because now we have points. we have a place to search in the

indian ocean and they think they've got to black boxes. that's what i would focus on. just about time to send down the submersibles. >> how do you know the '78 was a decompression if nothing was ever found? >> they looked at various problems with the plane and likely scenarios based on the plane's performance. they never had a final report. >> mary schiavo, thank you very much. miles, always a pleasure. thanks for being with us this morning. kate? we're also following breaking news out of northern california where a fiery wreck claimed ten lives, half of them high school students. they were on their way to visit a college campus when their bus was hit head on by a semi truck. cnn's stephanie elam is live at the crash site in orland, california, with more. >> reporter: kate, it's completely devastating. when you take a look at the bus and see its charred remains still here on the highway, it's hard to imagine that anyone got out of there. we do know that about 34 people

were taken to the hospital. nine people were declared dead on the scene, another person died at the hospital. but still no one knows at this point why this accident happened in the first place. the images are horrifying. a bus full of high school students burst into flames on the side of a california highway after a head-on collision with a fedex truck. >> i went outside and everything was in flames already. there was a couple of explosions after that. >> reporter: the truck slamming into the bus full of high school seniors after police say it crossed over the median and into on coming traffic. >> all of a sudden i heard a sonic boom. when i got there everything was engulfed, and it was still spewing up black smoke. >> reporter: the collision leaving dryers and multiple passengers dead. eyewitnesss helpless as flames consumed the bus. >> a lot of screaming and begging for help with all the flames and all the smoke, just cover your eyes.

>> reporter: emergency crews raced to the scene. >> many had cuts, contusions, bumps, minor burns. the ones i saw, i know there was one person when we arrived on scene that was unfortunately on fire. >> screaming for help. saying don't let me die. help me. >> reporter: at least 34 people were rushed to local hospitals. helicopters airlifted survivors. other were taken by school bus and ambulances to local care centers. >> i saw one gentleman on a board and his clothes were gone pretty much. i couldn't tell if his injuries were significant. i just kept praying. >> reporter: the high school students were on their way to visit humboldt state university. just hours after tweeting a picture from inside the bus, survivor jonathan gutierrez posted this picture writing, i can't believe what just happened. i was asleep. the next thing i know, i was jumping out for my life. those students were a long way

from home, most coming from schools in the los angeles area making their way up here. we also can tell you the ntsb is making their way from d.c. it may be month before we actually know what went wrong and what caused that fedex truck driver to veer off the road into on coming traffic on the other side. >> families will be hanging on that information. let's get to john berman in for michaela. breaking news out of the vatican. pope francis made his strongest statement to debt on sexual abuse in the catholic church. in an interview with vatican radio, he asked for forgiveness for the damage caused by priests who abused children. he committed to moving forward with a stronger position. a third day of cross examination for oscar pistorius is over. the murder trial adjourned until monday. today the prosecution methodically questioned the track star about what happened the night he shot and killed his girlfriend, reeva steenkamp. the prosecutor accused pistorius

of tailoring his story. the suspect in wednesday's deadly hit-and-run accident in florida is in custody. robert corchado turned himself in after police say his suv hit a car and sent it careening into a day-care center. the crash left a 4-year-old girl and 13 other children and an adult injured. four children remain hospitalized this morning. one in critical condition. a political dodge normally looks much different than this. take a look what happens to hillary clinton. she had a shoe thrown at her during a shoo-in las vegas. despite the incident mrs. clinton had a terrific response to the crowd. he was talking about waste management at the time. she said she didn't realize the topic was so controversial. finally crossing just moments ago on people.com, i want you to take a look at this. cnn currently working to confirm this story. by that i mean kate bolduan, tell us everything.

>> what is there to tell? my husband and i are expecting our first child and we finally are at a place where we are very excited and very thankful. because you without even knowing it have probably put up with pretty morning sickness. >> we're painfully aware. it's worth it. congratulations. >> congratulations. >> we're so happy. >> we'll have someone else in my household which share our hours. >> you'll have to deal with another baby. >> i've already got one. >> kill the mood. kill the mood. this is going to be great. few times in your life you can say this is the greatest thing that ever happened. the greatest thing that happens. you're a family now. you and michael. >> we're zoo excited. >> we have an uncull mo. >> haven't been this excited since we had our three own little angels.

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welcome back to "new day," australia's prime minister saying they are confident the signals they received are from flight 370's black box, and even more, they know its location within some kilometers. let's bring in bill nye, the science guy, the former air not ticks guy who worked on the black box. thanks so much for coming in. i want to get your take on what the australian prime minister said. he said they are confident, not only that it is the black box, but they're within a few kilometers to finding it. everything you've seen in this investigation, how confident can they be with where they've placed those pings? >> very likely. we're all speculating. >> true. >> that frequency so so distinctive that when you hear it, that's got to be what it is. everybody appreciate how

extraordinary finding the thing at all is. you get these faint signals on the satellite, not intended to track airplanes doing this crazy maneuver and then you go out looking in the ocean and you hear those pings. i can tell you from a little bit of time on submarines, people record the audio, the sound in the motion. the ocean is very noisy. all kind of things making sounds, waves make sounds. you record it for hours and hours, and then you go back and analyze was that really the ping? so i think these people wouldn't be claiming that they heard it unless they really did. >> they believed that the signal is weakening on the black box. it's already past its projected battery life. >> it shows how well engineered these things are. >> exactly what i wanted to ask you about. let's talk about the engineering of the black box. what's the effect of such a long time, relative live you could say, that the blocks box is at such a depth in the ocean

dealing with the elements. what's the impact not only on the box itself but on the signal it was giving out. >> on the pinger. apparently this is documented. as the punger gets crushed and the battery gets old, the signal will change frequency a little bit, will get a little lower. that's what's happened. it makes it even more reasonable that that's what you're listening -- that's the sound that was heard. so as everybody says, the sooner you get to it the better. it's a very, very difficult thing. it's miles straight down. >> do you have any concerns of being at this depth for this long? >> no. the black box will be intact. it's a very difficult thing to find. we all take for granted, like let's go out there and find it. >> with everything you've seen, can you say you are confident they'll find it? >> yes. but i don't know they'll find it in the next two weeks. that would be great. at, say, 20 nautical miles a day, 250 miles, within the next couple weeks you would find it. but it's just a big problem.

>> they've been using the towed ping locaters, there's a lot probably we aren't being told that they're using the figure out where it is. we know submarines are in the area, we don't know exactly what they're doing. we have the towed ping locater, the sono buoys. is there another technique, technology, approach to try the narrow down the approach? >> when you throw out the expression submarine, that's what i would do. underwater microphones, hydrophones well tuned to this. i can imagine somebody writing an algorithm or software that would listen for it especially, that would analyze signals that have already been heard especially well. i can imagine getting people to do that. but my experience with the navy and with airplane accident investigators, they're so good at it. i'm telling you, we all have our own hypotheses about what

happened. we can all speculate all day. these people really are experts. think about, they found this place in the ocean to look. thousands of nautical miles from where you would expect the plane to be. i was on your air when we had this piece of debris seen by a chinese satellite and everybody shrugged their shoulders. well, that's done. it turns out to be a long way from where you're really looking. >> i can attest i went up with the new zealand air force in a search flight and seeing with your own eyes, it shows how amazing it is that they've narrowed it down. >> while we're throwing out hypotheses, i just want to point out that it's very -- in my experience with accident investigation, this is a long time ago, it was never one thing. it was one thing that led to another thing. too bad that also happened. too bad that wasn't set up properly, also. so it's very reasonable to me that they had bad cockpit disciplines, if i can use that term. then something went wrong and

then the plane just flew till it ran out of gas and it was not a conspiracy, it was not evil doers. it's possible that just a series of bad luck. >> what's your big lingering questioning right now as they search and try to locate and narrow in? what's your big question that you want answered? >> what started it all? that's my lingering question. why did the plane start to turn around? what was the motivation? there's families that are heartbroken and it's really bad. but there's such a mystery. it just drives us all. it's so compelling, right? what started it? what was the beginning of this long series of unfortunate events and the days and days of speculation on, if i may, our part. everybody in the world is

following this story -- a lot of people in the world are following this story closely. what started it? if you have a 777, you can't just sell parts, you know what i mean? where did you get that rutter actuator, dave? i know a guy. >> that's why it's so amazing that they've begun to locate any of the debris field. the answer to that question is something that will come we assume long after they locate and we can confirm that it is the black box. >> the ocean is a hard thing to explore. you're in a plane. it's cold, it's corrosive, saltwater, and it's crushing. you get at those depths -- as we say, much easier to explore the surface of the moon than the bottom of the ocean. >> bill nye, great to see you. >> thanks, good morning. >> good morning. chris? coming up on "new day," she was the face of the failed obama care roll out, now health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius stepping down.

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welcome back everyone. time for the five things you need to know for your new day.

number one, according to australia's prime minister search teams are within a few miles of pinpointing the exact location of the wreckage of flight 370. ten people were killed when a bus full of high school students collided head on with a truck in california. the students were making a college trip to northern california at the time. a third day of blistering gruelling cross examination for oscar pistorius is now over. his murder trial resumes monday. the prosecution portraying pistorius as a self-obsessed bully who is now tailoring his story. the suspect in a deadly hit-and-run crash is due in court. police say robert corchado hit a car and sent it crashing into a day-care center. a 4-year-old girl was killed and several others injured. a brief scare for hillary clinton. she had a shoe thrown at her in a speech in los angeles. he took it in stride, joking with the audience about the incident. also kate bolduan is

pregnant. go to newdaycnn.com. >> an extra six for you. >> seven. >> we're going to keep saying it. very proud. >> still has barely sunk in. >> every day is going to get better and better. it's going to make every story even this one. even kathleen sebelius is happy for you today. she has little reason. she was a punching bag for the botched rollout of obamacare, now resigning as health and human services secretary. he's going to nominate her replacement as well. who will that be? what does this mean? why did this happen? jim acosta live at the white house. what is the buzz about kate? >> i didn't realize the president was going to announce that kate was having a baby. that was not in the press release. >> this has all gone off the rails. >> jim, don't fall for chris's

silliness. keep going. >> reporter: i'll try to recover here. white house officials say kathleen seib bell yus told the president back in march she thought obamacare was heading in the right direction, so she wanted to step down at the end of this open enrollment period which just wrapped up last leak pour the affordable care act. no question kathleen seib bell yus was the poster child of everything going wrong with healthcare.gov. she was on capitol hill testifying when the website crashed. you'll remember that happened last fall. the president resisted calls to fire her. sebelius was on capitol hill, able to tout the new enrollment number, 7.5 million people have signed up. she gets to go out on a high note. she'll be standing next to the president in the rose garden as the president taps the replacement, sylvia mathews burwell. >> jim acosta, what do you make

of this burwell person from this miss steer yos office of management and budget? will she get confirmed? do you think this is a nice time for to put the flag in the ground for the opposition to obamacare? >> reporter: absolutely. she's sort of a rising star in this administration. she was involved in the budget standoff with republicans last fall. she's very well thought of in the administration. she was confirmed 96-0 when her confirmation hearing came up last year. that is not going to be the case this time around. it won't be that smooth going for the job of secretary of health and human services. republicans still see obamacare as a potent political issue heading into the midterms. that's going to be a big flash point during her hearing. she comes out of a budget background, not a health care background. if republicans want to ask her what did you know and when did you know it, she could say, well, i wasn't there. that is advantageous to her nomination. keep in mind white house officials are so confident in

sylvia mathews burwell, they think this transition from sebelius to burwell could happen in the next several weeks even with a potentially contentious hearing. that will stick around until burwell comes into the job. >> speculation about what's going to happen with cost of obamacare. jim acosta, thank you very much. let us know if there's any word about the extension of obamacare for kate to sign up. >> thank you. let's turn to this week's cnn hero. losing your home in a fire, for many pet owners there's an extra burden. they often have to give up animals because they can't take care of them anymore. firefighter jen leery saw a problem and came up with a solution. >> i'm a firefighter in philly for seven years. i would see how upset the people were about their animals. where is my pet, and then where

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new developments in the search for flight 370, the precise location of the black boxes, investigators are raising more questions about the plane's altitude. cnn was told thursday by malaysian officials that they believe the plane dropped to between 4,000 and 5,000 feet after crossing the malaysian peninsula. we'll dig in deeper with david soucie, a cnn safety analyst and the author of "why planes crash," also a former faa inspector. let's take a look at this map at what they say the plane did. they say after the plane crossed the peninsula, it dropped to somewhere they say 4,000 and 5,000 feet, dropping off radar. it was no longer on radar for around 120 now the cal miles. when it appeared again, it was over here before it took the southward flight pattern and disappeared into the southern indian ocean. let's take them at their word for now.

their supposition is it dropped to four or 5,000 feet. what might cause it to drop that low? something wrong in the cockpit? >> i would say so. at that point you've got a pressurization problem, you've got to get the plane down. if you had massive decompression. remember there's an airworthiness directive on this windshield itself that has a tendency to leak and a rapid decompression on the front window of the aircraft. >> if that happens, the pilot would choose, photographs, to drop to four or 5,000 feet. >> he has to. there's only about 15 minutes of oxygen, supplemental oxygen for the passengers. you need to get to an altitude where they can breathe. typically it's below 10,000 feet. why it went all the way to 5,000, i can't answer that part. >> are there any other reasons why this plane could have disappeared from radar? again, they think it happened somewhere around here. their deduction is that because it was not on radar, it was at that altitude. but could it have disappeared from radar for another reason?

>> absolutely. you look another where the radar signal is coming from, where it's reaching out to see what the airplane is and you look at the channel here, that chapel is susceptible to weather going through, thunderstorms, any kind of storm at all can interfere with the radar because it's going to pick up the density of the clouds and come back and could block the radar for that time. there's definitely a possibility. there's other reasons as well. mountain ranges, anything like that, if it happened to be flying in front of a mountain range which is not very probable at 35,000 feet. there's other reasons. >> one of the deductions they made is it did drop to that altitude, not maybe to disappear from radar or evade radar, but but to get out of frequently traveled air traffic lanes. >> that makes a lot of sense to me. if you're flying the aircraft and you decide, hey, i don't know where i'm at, i can't see other aircraft, i'm not in communication with anybody, if all your communication systems are ourkts then what you want to

do, you know, i'm flying in traffic areas. you need to get at least below 18,000 feet which is where commercial aerospace starts. by getting lower than that -- remember it's sdark at this time, they don't know what's out there. you want to avoid any air traffic. that's a good idea to get that low. >> does any of this analysis of what may have happened when the plane was flying up here, explain why it would have taken the find left turn flying all the way down south off the coast of australia where they're looking in the areas where you're seeing the yellow dot? >> i wish i had an answer to that. so does everybody else. this is the most peculiar thing to me. i can explain why it went down to 5,000 feet. but to this turn here, it doesn't make any sense to me at all, why you go to the middle of the ocean and have that trajectory and keep it for that long a period. >> let's talk about the ocean since we were talking about the final place, where you believe this flight ended off the coast of perth now, where they heard

the four pings from the towed pinger locater. they don't believe the ping they heard from the sono buoy is connected to that. how many days before you think they start sending in submersible subs to start searching the ocean floor? >> we spoke to commander marks about this. they said they're going to wait at least two days after their last ping of searching before they start putting them in there. then they have a higher level of certainty that the battery has stopped pinging. >> sounds like we're pretty much there. in the next day or two, we could hear something. david soucie, always great to have you here. really appreciate it. we'll take a quick break here on "new day," inside the life of a pap rat sew, our inside man, morgan spurlock shows what it's like to feed off the famous. at your ford dealer think? they think about tires. and what they've been through lately. polar vortexes, road construction,

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>> we're big on people throwing shoes today. feel free to throw one at him. what was it like? >> it's one of those things where you get one idea, people tell you what to expect. bottom feeders, scum bags, the dregs of humanity, and they're actually not that terrible, not all of them. some of them definitely. you start to realize, one, what a hard job it is and i realizeed what a terrible papparozzo i am. >> why is it hard? people say all they do is chase cleb stays and snap photos. >> giles, the guy with us, he drives around all day looking for people to take pictures of. you have to be ready to take a good picture in a second. if you're not a good photographer, then you miss that moment and it's gone. >> the key the actual taking of pictures or is the key being in the right place and waiting. snipers say it's not necessarily taking the shot, but the hours

and hours to wait to get the right shot. >> there are guys who will wait to get that one picture. in the show i get pushed to go to lamar odom's house who is in the middle of his kardashian meltdown, alleged drug use. they tell me to go find him. i'm camping out at the place where he was. that's when you start feeling like a scum bag. >> morgan, do you feel dirty? >> you feel dirty because you're chasing a guy at his lowest point ever. >> yet you did it. >> the sniper analogy is very romantic. >> what it comes down to is the idea of hostility. with there, lamar oden, coming to give you an epic beatdown. the notion is the reverse. do you think after your experience that these men and some women go up to the celebrities and try to be hostile to get them to react? >> there are guys who push the button out of kanye west or alec baldwin to make it more

valuable. the other thing we realized over the course of the so is that celebrities who are, i hate paparazzi. there are those who tell them where they're going to be. the kardashians and a lot of people of their stature have accounts with the same agencies so when the photographs take the picture, not only do the photographers get paid, they get paid. >> shocking. >> crazy. >> talk about feeling dirty. in the end do you think the paparazzi -- i guess it's difficult to put them all into the same camp, but do you think they get a bad wrap or do you think it's justified? >> i think what happens is they stand on this idea of free speech, what they do is completely legal based on free speech. i think that's the problem. there needs to be a divide. whether it's children -- where you stop on people's personal boundaries is the issue. >> we've all been at stakeouts where we've waited to get shots,

trying to film something that doesn't make you feel good all the time. where is the line, even the honorable paparazzi, where's the line between what they do and journalists. >> that's the question. where does it become an invasion of privacy. that's the argument. that's people in the house right now, arguing about it on the hill saying this is an absolute invasion of privacy. >> easier for them, harder for us. the bar of who you're allowed to do an unscheduled interview, what we call them to be more jenting, is high. you have to ask for a formal interview, take all these steps. what other episodes do you have? >> what else are you getting yourself into? >> the next episode is about futurism. there are people and there's a large group of people who believe in the next 10, 20 years we'll live to be 15, 150 years old. i go down the path and do everything i can to live forever. >> you look great.

>> i feel so young and healthy. no carbs, no pizza. >> how do you pick your subjects? i'm sure there are a million. i'm sure you start with wild ideas and then narrow it down to pick your episode. >> we start with a laundry list of things pulled out of the headlines, stuff that is driving conversation in america. and then we start saying who can we have access to? we do episodes about income inequality, the divide between the 1% and 9 9%. we do an episode on student athletes and whether they should become paid. >> a member of the clergy. >> we do an episode about religion in america. there's a huge movement to create an atheist church. it's 40-plus cities in america where they have church service with no religion. >> they're kald the oxymoronic. he's also going to be a midwife coming up.

we thought it was a great opportunity for him to deliver your baby. >> season three. >> season premier of "inside man" is this sunday. i hope you'll watch. 10:00 p.m. eastern right here, of course, on cnn. good luck to morgan spurlock. >> looking forward to seeing what you get yourself into. let's take a break so they can negotiate the whole midwifing thing. imagine you found $11,000 cash free and clear. would you keep it? would you? one very special teacher, better than morgan spurlock, did not. that's what makes her "the good stuff." a >> and now we'll throw a shoe at you. we work with leading employers to learn what you need to learn so classes impact your career. while helping ensure credits you've already earned pay off. and we have career planning tools to keep you on track every step of the way. plus the freshman fifteen, isn't really a thing here. and graduation, it's just the beginning. because we build education around where you want to go.

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the car was gone. no way to get the money back to its rightful owner. so she did what she knew how to do, she kept it. the end. no. she turned it in to the nearest police station. that's why she's the good stuff. even the cops were shocked. >> you wonder is this really happening, is this true? is it make believe? non-traceable and probably never figured out where it went to. >> it wasn't mine. i didn't deserve it. i didn't do anything to get it. >> that is why sherry is the good stuff. she did get something out of it. she got this self fi of her son with all that crash. to sherry, she says it was never about the money. >> i feel very richly blessed, and it has nothing to do with my bank account. >> listen to this. cops tracked down the money's owners, turns out he's a senior citizen that accidentally left the bag on top of his car. >> what a great lesson for her

son. it's all about what you do when nobody is looking. here his mom showed him, the most important woman he'll ever have his life, that she did the right thing. >> what she said is the hardest lesson, but the most important lesson to learn. >> how much cash was it? >> $11,000. >> i've left coffee on top of of my car before. 11 grand. >> she's a good person. >> a little paranoid there. >> don't take it. >> nobody is watching you here, just all these cameras. hope you have a very happy weekend. before you begin it, you must get the news. there's only one person for that. her name is carol costello. >> yes, it is. thanks so much. i think congratulations are in order, right? >> oh, thank you. oh, it would be you. >> see what i get to deal with every day. i'm a blessed woman.

it has nothing to do with my bank account either. >> i know. i feel your pain every morning. >> you like the gist. >> i think we better go. >> congratulations, kate. i'm happy for you. i'm happy for you. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now on "newsroom," closing in. >> we are very confident that the signals are from the black box. >> the search narrowing. >> he went a little further than any australian official has so far. >> i'm confident they're in the right place. new american search power on the way. >> pretty incredible if you look at where we started. >> five weeks after disappearing from radar and from almost three miles down. >> if there's something on the surface, we will find it. >> the search enters