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we'll have the latest with our experts and reporters about that missing malaysian plane. >> you can catch "state of the union" today at 9:00 a.m. eastern. thank you for spending time with us. >> "inside politics with john king" starts now. >> she was the poster child of the botched obama care rollout. >> she's got bumps, i've got bumps, bruises. >> but the president insists this farewell is a celebration. >> the final score speaks for itself. >> will an election year cabinet shakeup repair a damaged brand or give republicans another stage for their favorite campaign theme. >> we must repeal obamacare replace it with a consumer directed, market oriented policy. >> can jeb bush sell what most tea party voters call amnesty. >> there is no conflict between
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enforcing our laws, believing in the rule of law and having some sensitivity to the immigrant experience. plus finally something hillary clinton and george w. bush can agree on, flying shoes test your reflexes and your sense of humor. >> thank goodness she didn't play softball like i did. "inside politics," the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. with us to share with us. you might call this the 2014 version of hope and change. kathleen sebelius out as secretary of health and human services. and obama hoping for an election year rebranding. sebelius heads home to kansas and sylvia mathews burwell takes
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her place after. the intense debate takinging place all around the country. maggie haberman, let's start there. republicans say it's the number one issue with primary voters. is it mart for the president? many people thought sebelius would go after the election. is it smart to do this and you get a hearing in the health education and labor committee, then a finance committee vote and probably a week of floor debate where republicans -- i don't think they'll go after sylvia that much, but they will go after, what about premiums, can i keep my doctor and so on and so forth. >> i think the white house is operating from the premise it can't get much worse for democrats in terms of obamacare, we've hit the bottom. if you lose sebelius now, you take the idea that nobody was held accountable off the table, that talking point goes away. also, as you said, the hearings will focus on obamacare, she was confirmed once before, burwell.
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she will likely be confirmed again. it will provide messy headlines. >> do democrats feel pressure as this plays out? we're going to confirm her, she's going to get her votes. we'll say nice things about sebelius. happy she's gone to maggie's point of turning the page. if you're kay hagan and on the ballot this year, do you have to press for changes? sglu i don't have to sound like you're demanding some changes -- >> accountability. holding them accountable. you probably will vote for her at the end of the day. for the 2014 democrats, the key thing will be the divide within the committee. how does this come from finance committee does she manage to get some republican votes when she actually comes out of the committee, if there is some bipartisan cover that will help people like kay hagan on the floor, mark begich when he has to vote. if this becomes straight party
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line, this is essentially another endorsement of obama care, it's going to be a problem for these guys. >> that's a great opportunity for kay hagan and all the other democrats who have been desperate to vote for something that fixes obamacare, so they can go on the trail, put out ads, i went to the white house, i made sure there were changes. kay hagan can now run ads with her questioning the new person coming in as hhs secretary. >> i'm sure harry already thought about this. there may be reforms coming to the affordable care act that now the kay hagans of the world can claim credit for based on a question she asked or the letter she sent. it could happen now. >> the question is can they pull that off in the sense you still have a republican house, a narrowly democratic senate. the house has voted up to a thousand times. the senate hasn't cast one ballot on obamacare because once
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you open that box, the republicans are going to say let's change everything. can the democrats successfully manage making modest changes to give their candidates something to brag about? >> it's a tricky line to walk. you have to remember republicans are concerned about the scream for repeal without explanation for what we're going toward. people know this is the law. people know this is going to stay the same. this is why you have critics of the law and opponents of it have said for a very long time, once you have an entitlement program, it's very hard to take it away. republicans are concerned in terms of the messaging front of what are we replacing this with? there's concerns there, too. >> to that point we had jeb bush, a potential candidate in 2016. he's looking at it in the open saying repeal it. he was careful of saying replace it. is there anybody who believes, let's say a republican wins in 2016, and even if that republican has a republican congress, a pretty narrow
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majority in the senate, can you repeal something that at that point would have been on the book for six, eight years. >> and not have a good replacement for it that deals with the very popular items, especially the pre-existing conditions and all those other things? for as unpopular as it is, 50% of folks say they disapprove of it. you've still got 45, 46% of the electorate that likes it. >> if you're a republican candidate, it's not viable in the republican primary to say i want to fix obamacare. you have to say i'm going to full out repeal it. >> the question is when will democrats if ever this year feel comfortable in saying to republicans, okay, you want to repeal it. what would you repeal? would you repeal the issue of what amy just mentioned, would you repeal having your kids on your plan until they're 26 years old? do they dare go down that lane?
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it raises the question about what do you want to repeal for republicans. you never hear that second question. >> we'll see. the republicans think this helps them to get a national platform. as you can see at the table, maybe the democrats can turn this to their advantage. my question to you, maggie haberman, you spent time with the governor, was he talking about health care and being so conservative, even though he had the replace part, was he talking about repeal with gusto because conservatives are mad at this, his comment about immigration saying, look, we need to think of a path to legal status, maybe citizenship. >> the way i look at this, i'm going to say this and it will be on tape. so be it. yes, they borrow the law, but it's not a felony. it's kind of -- it's an act of love. it's an act of commitment to your family. >> can he sell that if he runs in 2016? that is to tea party voters, grassroots conservatives, even a path to status, citizenship is amnesty. >> when karl rove is saying in
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the wake of the comments this this is not ideal, that tells you where this is headed. i think the short answer is no, this is very, very hard to sell. >> i think he clarified the statement in connecticut in that speech last week is the best indication that we've had so far that he's at least thinking about the possibility of running. that to me is one of the big reveals, perhaps the big reveal, the fact that he would clarify what he said. if he didn't care about it, he would let it go. >> and yet also proof if he's needing to fix things, he's been off the bike for a while. >> absolutely. >> there are a lot of republicans, especially those who want to see some immigration reform. they get the party needs to move forward on this, especially if they'll win in 2016 that says this issue is going to be much more complicated than it looks on paper for anti-immigration republicans, that by the time we get to 2016, almost every single one of those people sitting on the stage will have taken a position on immigration that's
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different from the ones we saw in 2008 or 2012. whoa won't hear about self-deportation. >> it will be interesting to see what marco rubio does. after the bill passed the senate, he distanced himself from it. he said this is an issue for the house. what will he do when this comes back up? >> what i've always wondered about 2015 if john boehner keeps the house gavel, will mcconnell and boehner get the immigration bill off the document to help nominate the following year? >> do it in to 2015 so you don't have to do it in 2016. up next, our puzzle explains why democrats think an april loss in the fight over equal pay could be part of the -- our first african-american president pays tribute to lyndon johnson and the civil rights act president johnson signed into law 50 years ago.
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welcome back. why would you schedule a vote when you know you're going to lose? to make a political point of course. this week's puzzle shows why democrats hoping losing in the senate can help them win more races come november. let's look at this first. we talk a lot about the gender gap. if you look at 2006, the two presidential elections, 2008 and 2012, you see a big win for democrats among women. in 2010 when republicans stormed
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back into the majority, a slight republican advantage with women voting in this election. this is polling done by dan greenberg for his organization, the democracy core. see how much among unmarried women, a key piece of the constituency president obama had a 40-plus-point win. democrats are worried because if you look now and ask the same constituency what about this november? democrats have an advantage, but not as big. that can matter in close races for the house and senate. stan also studies what he calls the emerging electorate, young voters, full of color, unmarried women. if you look at the presidential race, a four-point democratic advantage. obama won. if you ask those same voters, a smaller advantage. a good slice of this electorate, younger voters, unmarried women, they say they're not going to vote this year, they're not interested. among those drop-off voters, democrats have a 16-point
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advantage. that's why they're talking about equal pay, the minimum wage, other economic issues. trying to convince these voters to not stay at home. talking about these issues can motivate people to vote come november or is this the best they got? >> it's the best they can do. they have a president at 42%, an economy still struggling. the real question is is it going to be enough with these drop-off voters? if you go back and look at how the voters feel about the economy -- i looked at a poll that had been done for cnbc. they had been tracking this since 2008. when i look at the unmarried women, et cetera, you see that they are even more pessimistic about their current economic situation and the future economic situation than they were back in 2012. in some cases, among minority voters, it's double digits, more than 20 points. you're trying to say to those people, i know you don't feel
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very good currently about the economy, you don't think the economy is going to get better for you. you know what? i'm going to talk about pay equity and that's going to get you out to vote. i don't know if that's enough. >> there's no mitt romney. >> no bogeyman. >> there's also a way to talk about the economy without talking more about spending at the government level, a more neutral way to approach it. >> it's about social issues, social issues that can divide and drive a wedge with the republican opponents. in the a lot of these key races, blue states, things like abortion could drive voters out. democrats have concluded in colorado and michigan, for instance, bringing up those women voters who may be more inclined to support their positions on abortion rights. >> you mentioned colorado. that's one key senate race. north carolina another one, new hampshire. those are the three when i looked at some of the demographics, if you could nudge up the obama constituency, get them more than they are now, you could potentially make a difference. the question is is it talking about these issues or using the
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new technology, things you didn't have five or ten years ago? >> i think it's definitely both. it's not going to matter if by the fall the overall mate tricks don't matter. the turnout technology, to put it in sports terms, it's great if you're close to the 30 yard line, but you have to be within field goal range. >> it's not a secret sauce. >> midterm year is still a midterm year. president's approval rating. >> let's talk about one democrat who at the moment does not have an equal pay problem, that would be hillary clinton out on the paid speaking circuit doing quite well at the moment. there was a time maybe she went home and bill was making more in these speeches but i don't think so at the moment. she was out this week, had an interesting moment in vegas where she had shoes thrown at her. she also was talking about what it's like to be constantly in the public eye and what it does to you. >> it gives you a sense of being kind of dehumanized, i guess, as
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part of the experience. you really can't ever feel like you're just having a normal day, and you have to get over that. >> what are we learning here? we're learning a couple of things. we're learning this is a more comfortable version of hillary clinton than we have seen in a very long time. the reason for that, we don't know yet, whether she's leaning towards running, away from running or happy her book is done. what you have seen between that and this other moment we haven't discussed yet, involving footwear in nevada yesterday and not her own. she handled that very adeptly. >> we always earned tim miller, a republican operative who works for one of these outfits that does research on democrats, had
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an op ed on cnn.com this week saying she's a candidate, she should be covered like a candidate. they keep seeing her in these soft lens images on couches doing paid speeches where the level of scrutiny is, let's say, let's than john king in terms of the questions. they are frustrated because this long buildup of basically being able to drive her own message, put her book out there and start this thing on her terms, years in advance, it's driving them -- >> like an incumbent. >> like an incumbent. >> when the book tour starts, will she continue -- >> chapter on global warming chapter on iran. >> will there be round-robins. >> i'll kick you out some week and bring her in and deal with it. let's get to the shoe moment. if you know hillary clinton, if you watch her from afar, sometimes you don't see it. it's hard when you're secretary of state, hard when you're in the middle of a presidential campaign and you're exhausted. she's actually very funny.
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watch the shoe moment. >> what was that? a bat? was that a bat? >> that's somebody throwing something at me? is that part of cirque du soleil. my goodness, i didn't know solid waste management was so controversial. thank goodness she didn't play softball like i did. >> you can't script that. the solid waste refers was the reference to the group she was speaking about. you can't script that. do they have bats in the white house, in shap qua? >> it was very interesting. as you said, she has a sense of humor that friends and supporters all talk about and they all say you don't see this because she's so concerned and cautious and afraid of making a gaff. she's letting it loose. why? we won't know for a while.
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back to the book tour point, it's how excited she seems, does she have a fire in the belly, the same thing we're looking at jeb bush for, by the way. >> both jeb bush and hillary clinton holding other people in the party back until we get their decisions. tomorrow's news today is next. as our reporters share stories, including a big republican debate over vegas glitz versus midwestern calm. t for business. new york is ranked #2 in the nation for new private sector job creation. and now it's even better because they've introduced startup new york - dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years. you'll get a warm welcome in the new new york. see if your business qualifies at startupny.com
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peek into their notebooks. amy walter. >> you talked about the democratic enthusiasm and turnout advantage. i talked to democratic strategists who say they're looking at their own polling and seeing another problem. it's for republicans. they have their own enthusiasm gap. when you look at people who they identify as strong republicans, they aren't as excited to turn out as they were back in 2010. it doesn't mean democrats won't have a good election in 2014. it just means a wave election like we saw in 2010 is less likely. >> manu? >> republicans in the last two election cycles have had their primary nightmares and senate races. this year they tried a different approach, either tried to clear the field in some instances, unite behind a certain candidate or strong arm outside groups out. in georgia, the national republican senatorial committee created a joint fund-raising committee, who erwins that primary will get the cash.
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they're trying to make amends with even the most conservative members, but also try to help them out so when they come out of the primary, they'll actually have unity behind them and money to run on as well. >> republican will most likely run against sam nunn's daughter. >> i talked to a key member of the rnc committee looking at where their convention will be in 2016. i was told it's not just the fact the cities have to have money, they have to have early money. obviously vegas will have that. if there are call s at the rnc, one of the cities to watch is kansas city. why? you have two states that can provide money. there's no nba team, so the arena will be free in june. they want to have it in june. in jefferson city earlier this week, a state senate committee put $5 million in next year's
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budget in missouri, public dollars to help fund a possible convention in k.c. >> interesting. back to jeb bush, a lot of people supportive of the idea of him running a expressing a fair amount of concern that he'seth either getting dragged into this, he's not quite ready for it. they worry he didn't understand the current media environment and they will invest a lot in him only to see it potentially not work out. >> fascinating dynamic to watch. back to manu's point, one race the republican establishment is most worried about, mississippi, thad cochran running against a conservative. i'm told reliable polling in that race has senator cochran under 50%, chris mcdaniel within single digits. look for the establishment who hoped to launch its powder a bit
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