>> she was america's sweetheart and then she was under his wrap. >> she's still cute and she's very talented. yeah. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. this is a cnn special report. good evening. i'm don lemon. i would like to welcome our viewers no the only in the united states around the world on cnn national. we'll following reports here in the united states and one in eastern europe and one that's lived in the realm of the mysterious. in the suburbs of kansas city in the usa tonight, shock and sadness over a senseless tragedy. a man with a gun kills three people at two different places that are important to the city's jewish jewi isish community. we're also following the diplomatic disaster that is

ukraine. united nations ambassadors are gathered right now late night sunday night trying to prevent full-on civil war. and the puzzle of malaysia airlines flight 370. so many days of nothing from the deep ocean, no pings, no pulses. might be time to accept the fact that the pingers are probably dead. but we'll get an update from the search commander in just one hour from now. coronation center chief angus houston will hold a news conference in western australia and we will carry it for you live. today a community outside kansas city was rattled by a deadly shooting spree. police say one man drove to a community center, began asking people if they were jewish and open fired with a shotgun. he killed two people, a doctor and his 14-year-old grandson. the killing did not stop there. the man got back in his car and drove to a retirement home and killed one person, a woman. we learned some key details

about the man who is in police custody right now. nick what do you know? >> just in the last hour we've been able to learn more about two of the victims who died. they've been identified by his family as luis corp ron and reet griffin. we learned more about the alleged shooting suspect. frazier glen cross, 73 years old. and very interesting to note, our reporters in washington, d.c. have spoken to law enforcement who say that glenn cross, the alleged shooting suspect has known ties to white supremacist groups and has been involved in past instances including threats. now today's shoot, just south of kansas city, happened about 1:00 p.m. and here's how it all went down. three people are dead after shots were fired at two jewish facilities just south of kansas city. >> there's no other words to describe it, just panic. >> police say a man in his 70s

is in his 70s. >> we're looking at statements. >> it's too early to tell you what was said. >> in an interview with cnn, a rabbi said the alleged shooter was clear about who he said he wanted to shoot. >> the shootings at the jewish community center and a jewish assisted living facility happened at about 1:00 p.m. local time on the eve of passover.

there were many children inside at the time but the shooting took place in a parking lot outside. a shotgun was used and an assault rifle. no motive has been released. the fbi is also investigating. . >> and more on the two we confirm were shot and killed to you had. a family statement read in part, dr. corporon was a well loved physician and had a passion for others. reat was a 14-year-old freshman and had a passion for life. we take comfort in knowing they were together in heaven. just 14 years old, one of the victims in today's shooting. we will learn more about that third victim who has yet to be named. don? >> nick valencia, thank you. very sad. more on this story now. jacob sh rieber runs the community center where that man killed two people today. where were you. when this shooting started?

>> well, i was here being a judge for auditions for k.c. superstars. i was really involved in the program when this happened. >> and so you were holding auditions for what is k.c. superstar at the time. you said you did not hear the gunshots but once the commotion began, you said staff and volunteers came into the room and brought the participants into a secure area within about 30 seconds? so tell us, what were they saying? people witnessing, people who were there? >> well, i mean, the witnesses were basically saying that there were gunshots. some of them in the front of our building heard gunshots in the parking lot to the back. they made us aware, so we went into lockdown and we really had to just be there until the police came, which they did within minutes. and all the information was then, you know, revealed slowly but surely. >> you heard our reporter nick valencia report two of the names, dr. corporon and his grandson reat. did you know them?

>> i did know them and i know the family. i have to tell you, this is one of the nicest kindest, most supportive families that we have here. they're really a community treasure that have been supportive of so many different charities here. great people. then a just really has left us all breathless. >> what do you make of the time of course this? and apparently according to police, that this man has ties to white supremacy groups? >> like i said, i can't really comment on, you know, those rors because i haven't heard that from the police yet who we are working very closely with. and i really can't, you know, comment on the timing. i don't know why people would do this type of thing during any time. >> yeah, it is the eve of passover, we should mention. a. >> it is. passover is definitely a time that we certainly celebrate freedom, strength and hope, and i can't say that there was a tie to it, but this is certainly a time when we get together with our community, with other

communities and we really stand up against violence and stand for hope. and i know this community, which is a very tight-knit community will band together to do that very same thing over the next number of days. >> how is the community doing now? how are people doing? >> we're sad. anytime we lose any member of our community, we're sad. anytime we see this type of violence, we're sad. when we see it here, we're sad when we see it anywhere in the united states. so, you know, our response is to be a caring, loving place that has empathy for all. and that's our response. and that will continue to be our response. and i'm very confident that's going to continue to be the response of our community. >> jacob sh rieber, our thoughts and prayers are with you. thank you very much for joining us. thank you, we want to keep tabs now on another dwoeping story. the u.n. has just wrapped an emergency session over a crisis in ukraine, the ukraine

ambassador warned could lead to, and i quote here, civil war. this comes after a surge of violence there, like these pro russia militants, firing guns to take control in eastern ukraine. we're hours away from a key deadline for those protesters to get out. they have until 2:00 a.m. eastern time. we'll keep you posted. for now, we want to go to richard roth live at the united nations. we heard russia blame the west in that meeting and claim the situation very dangerous. what do the u.s. representatives say at that meeting? >> well, this was again, another heated session at the security council. sunday night fighting, verbally, that is, that deadline looming where ukraine said this time it will use force against the pro russian activists who have taken over multiple buildings who ha razed over people. samantha power and batal batali churkin making their case at the security council sunday night. >> reporter: the human stakes of what is happening in ukraine are extremely high.

the lives of innocent civilians are at risk. yet we are being bombarded by russian disinformation and propaganda while the ukrainians are being confronted by incitement and violence. the united states stands with ukraine, and the fundamental principle that the future of ukraine must be decided by the ukrainian people. >> there has already been bloodshed in the southeast. and the situation is very dangerous. it is the west that will term the opportunity to avoid civil war in ukraine. >> the main part of this meeting is that russian ambassador churkin appealed to the security council to use its influence among the member countries to tell ukraine, don't go through with this, don't use force on people who just want democracy. that people power is going on in eastern ukrainian cities. u.s. ambassador samantha powers said to believe all that, you would have to not believe in the internet and all the images you see of people wearing ma military fatigues and using

russian equipment to terrorize cities in eastern ukraine. there are talks blaned in geneva between secretary kerry, the russian foreign minister lavrov and others on thursday. that's a long way from here regarding military force being proclaimed by ukraine. so we'll have to watch what happens. don? >> richard roth, the united nations. richard, thank you very much. ukraine may be on the brink of a civil war. where are the ukrainian police? where's the government? coming up in just a few minutes, we're going to take you inside the fragile nation. as the crisis goes worse, the flight for 370 goes on. and a news conference from zernl leard, we're going to take you live to perth. the that's next. save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.d everybody knows that. well, did you know pinocchio was a bad motivational speaker? i look around this room and i see nothing but untapped potential.

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>> we go straight now to perth, australia. angus houston will hold a news conference. can we expect any big announcements from this press conference? >> hi, don. well, no topic for this press conference was given, but angus houston doesn't call a press conference every day. when he has in the past, it's intended to have involved some rather dramatic announcements. now, we know from a joint agency coordination center press statement this morning that there have been no new acoustic detections in the past 24 hours. and that the ocean shield, the australian vessel continues to comb those water, searching for any signs of pings. but many people here are wondering if it is, in fact, time to deploy the u.s.

navy-provided blue fin 21, the underwater autonomous vehicle capable of searching the ocean floor for actual wreckage. now, australian authorities have not been in a rush to do that, saying they want to be absolutely certain the black box batteries have completely expire they have detected every ping there was to detect. why? because the more pings they can detect, the more information they have with which to narrow down a potential search field. that helps the blue fin 21 search some 2.8 miles underneath the water. the authorities have been concentrating on narrowing down that search field so far. but there have been no new pings since tuesday. we're wondering ifs if time.

>> all right, we'll see you as soon as this press conference laps. for 38 days, families of the 239 people onboard have waited in agony. search crews are out again looking for any signs. all we have are four pings the most recent from five days ago, and we don't know for sure if those pings are linked to the flight 370. how effective is this search? joining me now to discuss is a 777 captain, mary schiavo, a former inspector general with the u.s. transportation department, david jordan, founder of natikos, a company that does deep ocean exploration. and jeffrey thomas in perth, australia. how do they calculate the search area each day? what factors are they taking into account? >> well, for the pings, they

have to look at where the previous pings were and then they do parallel tracks to the previous sightings or soundings of pings. if they found at one particular area. they would go to the left and to the right. and then they doer. dick car swaths. what they're trying to do is box in each signal. and then for the ocean search, which is the visual search as opposed to the audio search underwater for the ocean search, it's just calculated on where they think the waves may have taken the wreckage. the wind and the waves. even it's the float patterns from the ocean. so two different considerations for the two deferent searches. >> david, where should most of the search assets be focused right now. should it be the air or the sea? >> it would be wonderful to find some debris somewhere and be able to nail down, not nail down but to have some idea where to be looking under water. really, these two things are in

parallel. the best answers will be to integrate all information that we have. that being any debris we can find, any underwater signals that we can hear, and any information we may have from tracking prior to the loss. all of these things need to be integrated together thoughtfully and carefully before spending what would other wise be wasted time searching the floor of the ocean. >> and, you know, angus houston, head of the search has kept the family top of mind. he said that, you know, in his first press conference, the families have been watching less these press conferences. but this is important, obviously not only for the families but for the flying public. malaysia airlines keeping close watch on this. airlines around the country are keeping watch on this. and so are people who work in the industry. >> i mean, this is not only a great mystery for the layperson, but for those of us that are professionals, there's so much about this that's perplexing

that doesn't make sense to us. >> and watching these press conferences as well to see what angus houston has to say. we get the most information from angus houston. >> yeah, it seems to be, very much so. >> are we beingmalaysia and the that they're doing here. . >> well, i would like to say yes, but not really. i mean, so very important. even simple things. you would expect a simple answer. the thing that's quite irritate to me is the business with the malaysian radar. where were the military and zilian air traffic controllers. why did it take so long to relay the information? and first they tell people they're going to tell us what the information is and now they say they won't release the radar data. that's pretty basic information that people should have. and it's a question that's very easily answered.

oh, gee, they're in the same building, they're on different floors. how do they usually relay the information? they pick up the phone or walk down the hall or turn around and say hey, joe, we have a missing plane. i think they deserve a fair amount of criticism. >> maybe angus houston will say they have better information about the black boxes. chances are he will say we have come to the conclusion that the pingers, the batteries have run out and now we start a different phase of the investigation. but can the investigation ever be complete without these black boxes? >> well, if you find wreckage, you can find, i guess, the mode of failure of different parts of the aircraft and you would have to work backwards to see how that fit in with the last radar tracks. but with the black boxes, you'll know everything about all of the characteristics of the aircraft, how it was flying and certainly

with the cockpit voice recorder, you'll get an even clearer picture of what happened. why did this happen. >> jeffrey in perth now. it's good to have you here. do you know what we can expect to hear from this news conference? perth 1234? >> don, look, we haven't had any word whatsoever. we've had the first announcement that there's been no acoustic events in the last 24 hours. and about an hour or so later, we got advice that angus houston is going to address the media at 12:00, which is about just a bit over an hour or so to go. and so there has been no indication whatsoever even off record about what he may or may not say. possibly there might be some news from hms echo, the british ocean graphic ship that's doing echo sounds of the area. although possibly they're going to say it's time for the blue fin 21.

at this stage, we don't have any indication at all. >> all right, jeffrey thomas, thank you very much. everyone stick around. again, we're waiting for a news conference from the head of this search coming up at midnight eastern time. just about 40 minutes, we'll bring it to you live here on cnn. coming up, a shooting rampage near kansas city. three people are dead. it happened at two jewish facility, a community center and a retirement home. joining me next, a woman who was at the community center when it happened. with my friends, we'll do almost anything. out for drinks, eats. i have very well fitting dentures.

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today's shooting rampage in the suburbs of kansas city. a man with a gun started shooting at people outside a jewish community center in overland park, kansas. he killed two people, one of them a teenager. the gunman then reportedly drove to a jewish retirement home and killed a woman there. >> the name is frazier glenn cross, age 73. and that is cross on the back of a police car, shouting anti-semitic slogans. cross is now no stranger, i should say is no stranger to law enforcement. investigators say he's a known white supremist and has been involved in previous extremist incidents. he is booked tonight on premeditated murder charges. on the phone with me now is janessa watkins inside the jewish community theatre with a group of children when the shooting started. tell us what you saw and what you heard?

>> i didn't see or her neigh that was going on outside. i was inside the building. and one of the staff from the jewish community center ushered all of us to go into the theatre, lock the doors and tell us what was going on as soon as he heard something. >> but panic must have been running through that community center? >> yes with we were all very confused and dmift will worried. the first news that we got, all that was said was there had been a shooting in the parking lot. we were all very scare peemd were calling their loved ones. and some of the children didn't know what was going on, but the ones that did were definitely very scared. >> did you know the victims? >> i did not.

>> you did not. how is everyone doing? how are you doing? >> i'm just very grateful to god that no one enside was hurt, but my heart definitely goes out to the families of the the victim for this senseless act. it's very heart breaking. >> yeah. thank you, janessa watkins, working with a group of children on a performance in the theatre. our thoughts and prayers are with you. and another story we're watching is ukraine on the brink of a civil war. that's the country's ex-president believes. i got this.

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>> we await a news conference on malaysia airlines flight 370. i want to bring you major new developments regarding ukraine. fragile developments may be on the brink of war. >> tonight, the u.n. security council held an emergency meeting to discuss a deteriorating situation in the soviet republic. pro russian separatists occupied separate buildings in eastern ukraine. our senior correspondent takes us inside ukraine and up close to the kay kbrops.

>> reporter: the ukrainian government says it's overtaking this town. hours earlier, the interior military said elite police would swarm in here, but this helicopter was the only sign of that. calm on the street, just more barricades on more roads. they declared an anti-military op and told everyone to stay indoors but life is carrying on as normal. just down the road, the barricades have been reinforced around those key buildings. no sign of the crew yanian government and police. this video shows how far the anti-terrorism operation got, just on the outskirts of town. armored personnel carriers were there and shots exchanged. a crew yanian security officer

dead and others injuried. one sign says putin will save us from fascism, the authorities have simply vanished from the town hall. the speed of change, suggesting real preparation. but one man, isn't joining the party. i isg. >> where are they? the major, the government? they want to take us back to the stone age. i'm pro russian, an afghan veteran, one pushed aside.

the captain tries again, but fruitlessly, more shooting. after weeks of restraint, and as ukraine's beleaguered leaders measure how strong they can respond, gun fire has become the new language. >> thank you very much, nick. the situation in ukraine may require speedy diplomacy. want to bring in now christopher hill, former u.s. special envoy for kosovo and former u.s. ambassador to iraq, south korea and poland. you've handled tricky diplomatic situations. what is the best move you think to calm the situation in ukraine? >> well, this is a real tough one. and it's gone pretty far down the tracks right now. ukraine has had a lot of crisis in its 23 years, but this is really the worst.

obviously people need to be in stuch with each other. i' not sure mao the phone lines are working in moscow right now, but clearly that statement by the russian ambassador to the u.n. offered really not a lot of room for hope. there wasn't a lot to work from there. so i think what we can hope for is there lsh some calls to putin himself, to the russian side to make sure they don't move into ukraine, because i think it's pretty clear, the ukrainians are going to fight back at this opponent. >> what do you think putin's end game is in ukraine? >> i'm not even sure he knows, but it is quite possible that he's hoping 20 cleave off eastern ukraine. i don't think it's anything the international community can walk on by. as to some extent they did with

crimea a few weeks ago. >> do you think vladimir putin has any concern about stiffer sanctions? >> you know, i think he probably has some concerns down the road. i mean, the russian economy is not that strong. were the europeans willing to put up with a lot of hardship on their own. oil and gas would be cut off. down the road that would really hurt putin. but it also hurts western you're even ifs, which s -- europea why the u.s. is said to be careful on that. tonight's security council meeting, where everybody, everybody spoke out against what the russians are up to. >> oous options, you think the only option are stronger sanctions and to ban together with the international community? >> i think those are the two things with eeel probably be

trying to do. but i think the third element is very important. that is to shore up the eastern flank of nay co. i'm not expecting russia to go into poland or the baltic states. but that's a situation where those countries need to be assured they're being treated as full members of nato. meaning an attack on them would be an attack on all of us. >> thank you very much. now to another developing story. a flight for 370, my panel of experts is here with me. what should be done next? and is failure an option? coming up, i'm going to ask my panel. don't go anywhere.

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>> back now live. a news conference just about 18 minutes away. finding a precious ping amid all the rand dom noise requires huge amount of skill. we have a special guest now to show us some enhanced techniques used in the search for pings. joining me now is audioing pert paul ginsberg. to the untrained ear, some of these noises might sound blurry

or insignificant. how do the audio experts tell the difference. >> i did a simulation of the pinger output to give you an idea of what we're listening for. [ pinging ] >> nice and clear, crisp, sharp and evenly pulsed. >> but underwater with other echos and wild life sea life, man made noises, swishing of water flow and so on and so fort, this is what the ocean sounds like with the pinger sound embedded in it. and the job, of course, is to try to identify and bring out what we're looking for.

soo you use techniques, the same i used to claire fbi recordings in waco and sandy hook 911 calls and so on. after a certain amount of processing with some good planning, this is what we evolve. then once we have an idea of what we're listening for and we feel that we've gotten it, we do some additional processing and we finally evolve something that is much more useful for taking measurements. [ pinging ] >> that would be the unmistakable sound with the proper repetition rate, frequency, and shape. and so then we goe we have a pinger sound. but to get to this stage takes lots of work, time and patience.

right. thank you. that's an amazing demonstration. you know, jeffrey thomas, those sounds, we haven't heard in at least five days. and so we're waiting to hear, for this press conference at the top of the hour whether or not they're hearing these pings like paul ginsberg has put together for us there. whether it's the next phase we're now submersibles go in the water. >> indeed. paul's demonstration really highlights how difficult it is to hear this ping. >> they heard six pings. four they locked on to, two of them, they heard and then faded

so they discounted those. but those two were in the same area as the other four they held on to. so they really do believe they are in the right spot. there doesn't seem to be any doubt about that. i'm hopeful we might get something from ocean shield to possibly have some strong return off the bottom. let's hope we have something. >> as we look forward to this news conference statement, jordan, you know, and speaking about, you know, because the best hope so far has been whether or not they could find those pentagoners, find the black boxes. and it really get a location to where those black boxes may be. that .appears to be running out right now as we look forward to this news conference. what do you think we're going to hear? >> well, the data that we have may prove to be very valuable. one thing paul said in his great demonstration that really caught my attention was patience. and rarely are these mysteries solved in a short amount of time. and rarely is there a clear

answer very quickly. it usually takes integration of a lot of different sources and information. some smart people thinking about it, who understand what these pieces mean and a deliberate search effort that may take year, i'm sorry to say. >> mary schiavo, same question to you. >> well, i think the significance is not only with the, you know, the pings and the difficulty in finding them and the demonstration was great to show us how difficult it is, but here they have two different black boxes that they're searching for. and first they told us they might have had both of pinger, and now it's come down to one. i guess my hope is that we do have both of them and once they start searching, they'll be able to get both. so not just one pinger but two and find the black boxes on both of the cdr and the fdr. >> there's been a lot of criticism about the batteries, you know, only 30 days.

why this? why that? do you think that there will be improvements to come very shortly when it comes to the data that comes from those? and how those machines are con figured and constructed and how long the battery lasts? >> well, it's hard to say, but my understanding is the new batteries are going to be 90 days. so that was already in the wo works. i think we be leaning towards a streaming situation with the flight data recorder. i mean, we really have to move in the direction of being proactive with reference to real time stuff. i mean, this is what i've mentioned before. on previous shows. it's tombstone technology, unfortunately. we find out after the fact we should develop technology that we can find out, you know, beforeha beforehand. and ways to prevent it. >> isn't that technology already there, though, paul ginsberg? when it comes to these types of

devices live streaming? with we're already there, we're just not using it? >> well, that may be the case. nowadays, we have internet coverage as well as satellite television. when you take a trip flying cross country or even internationally, the problem they tell me is bandwidth. and we've got to find a way to stream all of this massive amount of data, because the flight data recorder has lots of information constantly being measured that needs to be uploaded. and i certainly agree offcourse with mary, because you need both pieces to the puzzle synchronized to understand fully what transpired. just before the end. >> we basically have that technology now. we have to separate air traffic control from company usage of the data. but, you know, when i fly across the north atlanta, we have a

system called adsb, automatic dependent surveillance broadcast. you're giving information that's sending directly from an airplane to a satellite and back down to a ground station that reports it. just similar to a radar situation. so air traffic control constantly knows where you are. and that system is available in the north atlantic. >> what do you mean from company to air traffic control? >> well, adsb is an air traffic control function where acars is more developed as a company-type function. in other words, taking engine data, other parameters at the company and dispatch dat that that the company, the airline, that particular airline wants to disseminate. >> mary, what's the hold-up when it comes to a better tracking system, a better recording system? >> in this case, it's the united states own government. we have had the contract out to build this new system literally

out since the '80s and they've had to scrap it twice. the system is called next gen. it's a wonderful system if it's ever done. but literally the planes will seamleemlessly and effortlesslyk to each other and to air traffic controllers. the done tests on pit .you canened lose a plane under the new system. it's just not done yet and it won't be for some time. there's just been horrible contract overruns and delays. >> is there a money aspect here? a costas pekt? >> well, they say there's a money aspect, but the amount of money that's been appropriated for it by congress have been spent many times over. and so just this past year, they

went back to congress to get more funding. and congress said we already gave you funding. not once, not twice, but several times. >> jeffrey thomas, is there a similar situation going on in austral australia? and possibly in europe or is it annish now? >> in australia, we have adsb man dated. for all large commercial aircraft pip know they have some funding issues there as well. but certainly in australia, adbs has been rolled out across the country.

>> we have been trying to figure out what angus houston might be going to say. he usually picks his words carefully. he doesn't usually come out and say i have nothing to tell you. >> well, i suppose he's going to tell us what they have found with the pinger information. that's really the only news i would expect at this point. the only other possibility is that maybe they found some wreckage on the ocean surface. that was what i would expect him to say if he has news. he may simply be trying to keep us informed about the progress. these things, as i said, don't really progress as quickly as we would like. if we don't find something right away, usually it does take some

time and persistence to find the answers we're looking for. i believe they can be found, but it will take time. >> yeah. >> let's talk a little bit more about the cockpit recordings. okay, paul ginsberg? because it has been said -- okay, we'll get a break in. we'll be right back and continue our conversation.

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>> augs trail yeah will hold a news conference to h update us on the search for malaysia flight 370 at midnight. jeffrey, we're getting word that the press is going to start now at any moment, but can we look at the search area? we have the new search area here, and the search area, it's not very far off from where it was yesterday. just within a couple of miles. and the two box where is they're searching where the sono buoys are and the research areas today. one would gather, and i'm a layman, they think they're in 9 right area, otherwise these boxes may not be moving together. these areas may not be moving together. >> in fact, the pinger locator area hasn't searched as all.

the other area, the debris, is. let's remember the a cyclone jillian, a hurricane in u.s. terms moved through that area about three weeks ago with 190-mile-an-hour winds. they blooe that took debris to the left. that's a moving feast, if you like. but the pinger area stays the same. so we're looking for three things, ping, acoustic return for hms echo, or we're looking for debris. to try to nail down the final wresting place of mh 370 is where they're looking. 1. >> you've been involved in many searches, including the titanic. it takes time to find these things. i don't think the titanic was

down as far as they believe this plane is. a. >> they were at similar depths, once you get down deeper than 10,000 feet, it's all deep. the titanic, of course, no one searched for it for many years because there was no technology able to do that. once doctor ballard and the u.s. navy decided they want to try to find the titanic, there was certain certainly many, many months of research before they searched the floor and it took two expeditions in two different years. and each were a couple of months long. so it depends on when you want to start the clock. it can take months or years. and that's typical. once you decide you're going to commit the resources to do a deep sea search, which costs $50,000 a day, you really want to be prepared.