>> do you wish you were suffering as bad as she is? >> yes. i feel guilty that i was right next to her and nothing happened to me. >> nothing you can see. but obviously the wound is. >> yeah -- >> emotional. >> i'm lucky to be alive and extremely lucky to have my friends here with me. >> that was an emotional moment. but i can't wait to show you how she rallies as she prepares to run her first marathon. we'll have you there tomorrow. until then i'm bill weir let's go to cnn special report with go to cnn special report with don lemon starting now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

this is a cnn special report the mystery of flight 370. the bluefin-21 scoured part of the indian ocean today for about six hours. it was supposed to to be under water for 16 hours. but it went deeper than its depth limit. so a safety feature returned it to the surface. the data is being extracted and analyzed before it goes back in the water on tuesday. we have intriguing questions about the co-pilot's cell phone. a u.s. official tells cell phone the phone was turned on and searching for service around the time the plane vanished from radar. you have been tweeting us your questions and we have top aviation and secret experts standing by to answer them.

with all this technology we have why did they wait to deploy a bluefin sub? why now? 38 days later? >> now i want to go to cnn reporters in the search zone. joe johns is in kuala lumpur. i'm going to start with michael holmes in perth. on this first day, bluefin-21 had to return to the surface many hours earlier than planned. what can you tell us about that, michael? >> i suppose, don, it speaks to what we don't know about the ocean floor there, as we've said before we know more about the surface of the moon than the ocean floor in that part of the ocean. the bluefin-21 went down there. the best guess they had was that the ocean floor might be 42 to 4400 meters down. well the bluefin got to 4500

meters down and it triggered a safety mechanism which said i'm too deep below my operating maximum. it went back up to the surface after only six hours of going along the bottom and mapping that surface with the side-scan s sonar. they will be analyzing the data and sending it back down soon. it is a very laborious process. but this one is cut short. one interesting observation, the ships searching for debris on the surface, 200 to 300 miles to the west of where the bluefin is operating they turned and headed south in the last 24 hours or so. they are looking for debris on the surface.

we're trying to find out why they are heading to the area where they were looking a week or two back. an interesting development there. all of them heading south at 14, 15 knots at the moment. >> what about the latest on the slick that was spotted in the ocean? is this something that the crews will be focusing on as the search enters the next phase? >> yeah, well they have to act on anything they find, don. and they did see this slick. they took a two liter sample of it and sent it back to perth to be analyzed. what they are going to try to work out is what is the composition of that oil. could be the matched to the engine oil, the type of engine oil that would have been in the engine of flight 370? could be the hydraulic fluid. it's the stuff that could leak out on its own accord. so they are looking into that.

hopefully results in a day or two. >> thank you, michael holmes. to joe johns now. about these reports that the co-pilot's cell phone was on and picked up by a cell tower, what are the malaysians saying about that? >> the acting transport minister and defense minister was asked about that and he gave a nonanswer. on the one hand as far as he knows there was no cell call but it's he also said that this is all in the province of the police and other agencies and in due time, that information will come out. though he doesn't want to speculate. so taken altogether, anything's possible. now this has always sounded ever since it surfaced over the weekend in the newspapers here in malaysia like a digital handshake between the co-pilot's cell phone and a telcom tower. >> at this point, you know, the

investigation is continuing, obviously, still nothing. how are the families there holding up at this point? >> well, it's really tough. we did manage to speak to the wife of one of the crew members. she said a variety of things. there's too much speculation. there's not a shred of evidence. carrying on with their lives. and this quote that just tugs at your heart strings. she said my husband is a crew member so deep down in my heard and mind i believe he is just gone to work. he always used to travel long periods for work. i'm taking this casually. it sounds like one family member and others are still holding out hope that a miracle could happen, don. >> joe johns, thank you very much. michael holmes as well. i want to check in with martin savidge. he is in a 777 flight simulator. martin, cnn is reporting that

the co-pilot's cell phone was on and made contact with a cell tower in malaysia. what does this tell us, if anything? >> remember, it was twice, once when the transponder went off and it disappeared off commercial aviation radar. and then it disappeared off malaysian military radar. the second time might be the most pertinent. we are over penang. that's the area where this cell tower was that intercepted this handshake. we would send the plane down at a steep angle and sharp turn and getting down to 5,000 feet or below which is when you might expect a cell tower connection could be made. a plane turning, veering off course and descending and going

over penang in malaysia. it fits. the weird part is, don, why was that phone on? it goes against all the rules of the cockpit. >> mitchell, you know, is that unusual for a pilot to use their cell phone in the cockpit? >> yeah, it is. in flight, anyway. obviously you can use it on the ground if you are at the gate. but in flight it's a big no-no. >> same as the passengers. they are not supposed to have cell phones on at all during a flight. it could interfere but it takes their mind out of the job of flying the plane. >> that's right. >> if you see it on, what does it say to you? >> abnormal situation. >> and we don't know what is behind it. thank you very much. i want to bring in my team of

experts. jeffwise, mary schiavo, david soucie. brett, to you with the question of the cell phone first, to brett larson. we discussed why 239 people on board and now only one phone on in the plane? does that make sense? >> it doesn't make any sense at all, don. and a lot of the details that we have about this incident don't make a lot of sense. it seems highly suspect that just one cell phone would ping one of these towers and make that handshake to say i'm trying to make a cell connection here are you an available tower?

and the other thing we don't know here, don, we don't know if this was an accidentally left on phone if he just forget to shut it off when they took off. and there is information we need to get about that. the cell companies could say yes, the last time we handed off his phone is when we took off from the airport and never reappear on. but i'm not thinking that what "s" wh-- is what happened here when you are below 10,000 feet you will be able to connect to a cell phone tower. >> what conclusions can we draw from the cell phone being picked up? and also maybe we haven't got to the point in the investigation to see if other cell phones were trying to be reached by towers.

what do we draw from this? >> the one absolute fact we can draw from it is that the malaysian authorities are still continuing to give us dribs and drabs of situation. and all the questions we had about no cell phone calls? we know the investigation might have more information than they are letting out. but you can think of a lot of scenarios with this. you could fill up a bookshelf with plots for novels but you could think of benign reasons. they had something happen on the plane and they lost communications and heading back to the airport. and the pilot said get on your cell phone. we can't go flying into malaysia at night and see if we can't get communications. i'm going down to 5,000 feet so we have a chance. and then you can think of

nefarious ones as well. it's a mystery without a final page. >> i want to go the jim tilmon. we talked about this at the beginning. do pilots keep their cell phones on in the cockpit or ever use them in the cockpit. i would think, yes. >> the answer to that is yes, particularly sitting at the gate on the ground when they're not involved in any other part of the flight operation. but once the doors are shut and that sort of thing, the pilots that i know stow that found away and it stays there until such time as they are back on the ground and chalked again. it's not a common thing to have a cell phone conversation from the cockpit of an airplane in flight. >> jeff wise, a similar question i asked brett larson. i have heard up to 30% of cell

phones aren't turned off during flights. do you buy that only one cell phone was on out of 239 people. let me preface this by saying, you can leave your cell phone on now in the united states but they ask you to put it in airplane mode. i'm not sure what the rules are in malaysia. but 30% of phones being on or not in airplane mode. what are the chances that just one was on? >> it seems really unlikely. who hasn't got on a plane and got off at the end and realize idea left my phone on the whole time? it seems really unlikely and the fact it was only picked up by one cell phone tower? so you know, the possibilities there seem rather strange. one thing that happened today, apparently the faa itself here in the united states just today introduced a new policy that the flight attendants aren't allowed to use their cell phones in

flight which you would think they would have done already a long time ago. >> david, to you now, what's your take on is this? >> it speak back to the credibility of the malaysian government but i want to point out i've had thousands of hours in the cockpit observing and monitoring and understanding the processes and reporting to the faa of how pilots perform in the cockpit. every time in the checklist it says turn off communication device. it is in their checklist. they always even if the phones were in their bags they would get them out and make sure they are off. it's a process and procedure that happens. i can't see that this was -- it's unprobable to me, at least in american air ways that this would be left on.

but that doesn't mean anything. when the faa inspector is sitting behind you you do the job right. >> jeffrey you don't believe that the plane had to flying at a low altitude to pick up the cell phone signal. why is that? sometimes you can get a signal at a higher altitude. >> true confession time. i left my cell phone on flying between perth and melbourne at the east coast. i got a text message at 35,000 feet. it was a rude awakening and quickly turned it off. at 35,000 feet i got a signal. at a lower altitude more of a chance. but at a higher altitude, personal experience, yes, you can pick up a signal. >> when we come back, a new chapter in the search for flight 370. underwater search with the

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bluefin-21 collected raw data for 6 hours today before returning to the surface early. my team is back me to talk more about that. jeffrey thomas in perth, the breaking news that the bluefin-21 had to abandon its mission early. what more can you tell us about that? >> look, interesting, don, it had been alluded to that if the

bottom was -- if the surface of the ocean bed was lower than 45,000 meters they would have to look at other means of mapping the bottom that is a remote submersible. and we understand that equipment has been on stand by for some time and it may be flown out in the next day or so. this is one of those robotic vehicles that can go below 4500 meters. >> the new zealand searchers did spot potential debris. >> they have. we understand it has been photographed and it may have been picked up. we're not sure about that. but it is being analyzed at the moment. we have yet to hear a definitive

yes or no whether it's related to mh-370. >> now to jeff wise here in new york. you know that bluefin it had to come up before it finished the job because it exceeded its depth. are searchers relying too heavily on technology in this part of the search, jeff? >> you know, when they used a similar technology to find air france 447. and at that time they had three of these devices working a search pattern together. it's not entirely clear to me why there are not more such submersibles available. it would seem this would be a fairly high priority task for them a be set upon. you know, hopefully if we don't get results soon, maybe they

will be able to find more such devices to search the area. >> david soucie, we have moved into this next phase now. but the information that we got about the pings, is that really the best information we have to date and do you think the batteries are completely depleted now? >> i think the batteries are gone now. i think we have reliable pings now. something they said this evening is that they are picking their best location based on the variances in the pings they received. they weren't just solid pings. these were some louder and some softer. but in that water, those pings are bouncing all over the place like an echo in a canyon or a

gunshot in a canyon. it's hard to figure out. it doesn't necessarily give you a clue as to where it came from. >> mary, i didn't have you here last night. last night, angus houston said, listen, we haven't seen anything in the water. the visual searches. we're basically going to call that off in the next couple days and try to figure out what happens next. does this appear to be early on to stop the visual and air searches or is this right on target? >> well, you know, i think it seems maybe a little early on. but the debris would be so far scattered. it's six in one and a half dozen in the other whether they would find anything else. that coupled with the statements about they thought they had the wreckage and would would send

one submersible down to where they had got the pings and they got louder and softer again. they were thinking they were literally on top of it. it clearly signaled they thought they had it and rather than mapping the whole area around it, they were going to zero in right on the best spot that they thought. so maybe they were just a little overly optimistic and thought they would go down and be on top of it. but who isn't? who doesn't want to find it right away. so you know, reality might be setting in. >> i wonder if it's going to change things now that they possibly may have spotted some debris there. jim tilmon, you have been a proponent for the visual search. are you disappointed that they will be tapering that off

especially given the fact that new zealand searchers are trying to identify the debris they may have picked up. >> we still need that element if we can get it. if we have the subsurface going on and still have the above surface fightings going on if we can get sightings that will pay out to be parts of that airplane that's going to be huge if for no oth reason it will bring everybody back on board to believe we are in the right place with the right ideas and now on the right track. i think that's a very important element. >> technology expert, brett larson, much of this information came from satellite day tachlt what do you think about the quality of the information now at hand for searchers? >> you know, i think it's good. but i think given where we are in terms of technology as a

nation and as a world slowly, i think it could be a lot better. it was a big discuss at the beginning of this incident. the imagery is good coming from the best satellites we have overhead watching down on us. and the mathematical calculations we can glean from that information is also very good. but i do think it could be a lot better. and i do think as is always the case with any airline incident it pushes us further along to better what we are putting in the air. >> jeffrey thomas, thank you. when we come back, why oceanographers are paying close attention to the search for flight 370. the other mysteries that could be solved.

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i'm don lemon. breaking news. for the first time today officials deplied bluefin-21, during the six hour search it exceeded its maximum depth and had to return to the surface. it's the lone underwater search vessel. and scientists are paying close attention. >> this is an area that is new to man. >> with no pings since last tuesday. the search heads straight down to the ocean floor with what is

known as an auv, the autonomousunder water vehicle, bluefin-21, to say this is uncharted territory, that's is putting it mildly. >> on the imagery i've seen it's not sharply mountainous it's more flat and rolling. >> side-scan sonar will provide a three dimensional map. while searchers are look for flight 370, ocean nothing federal reserves want to learn as much as they can about this part of the ocean. >> we know so little we will learn something about the sea floor there, its morphology. >> are you glued to the tv and seeing what the results are? >> i'm curious.

and the attention on this area is fascinating. i'm glued to the stories that are coming out about this. >> oceanographers are on site offering their knowledge of the deep and benefitting from a multimillion dollar operation with an unprecedented focus an an otherwise overlooked part of the ocean. >> we are talking about millions of dollars to do this work. and obviously, if one wanted to do this from a scientific perspective, we would not get the funding. >> one potential obstacle for those looking for the plane, deep layers of silt at the bottom of the indian ocean could valuable information for oceanographers. >> you can learn where it came from, what is the source of the sediment in that area and learn about the ocean bottom currents that move the sediment around.

>> we are gathering information about the search environment all the time. >> while so much about flight 370 is shrouded in mystery, scientists hope to gain knowledge for the future. >> that was jean casarez reporting. i'm joined by sylvia earl oceanographer. we spoke earlier and i want to ask you again, have you ever seen this kind of focus from officials and the general public on the deep sea and the ocean floor? >> well, certain other events come to mind such as the sinking of the titanic and the ultimate discovery and knowledge that came from it. you know, the titanic is a little bit less deep than where this aircraft is thought to go down. two and a half miles the average depth of the ocean. two and a half miles is not

great in if any other direction but in the ocean it's still you know, less is known about that than the -- than what we know of other parts of the solar system. >> and you know, that was 1912 when it sank. it is 102 years ago tonight. it went down in 1912. and the wreckage was found in 1985. it took some time. the technology is better. but here's my question, compared to other ocean areas, how much do we know about the depth and complexity of the southern indian ocean? >> only about 5% of the ocean has been mapped with the same degree of accuracy that we have for the moon or mars or jupiter.

and the southern indian ocean is part of the least known parts of the planet. some people think the earth is well explored. the greatest era of exploration is just beginning. we are just beginning to have the right equipment to explore the deep part of the ocean. and most of the ocean is the average depth of two and a half miles and this aircraft is in water a bit deeper than. that and imagine being in an airplane, two and a half or three miles up in the sky and then trying to operate at a point on the land below. that's what these ships basically are challenged with trying to imagine what is three miles below. when you can't see what's there. so this is very exciting, tricky, challenging business. we have technology that can take us to the moon but we have

trouble getting to the deep sea. >> most of our planet has yet to be explored because we don't know much about the deep. sylvia, this question is from one of our viewers. if the plane wreckage is found, how will it be pulled off the ocean floor? how challenging is that process and how will that happen? >> to recover the equipment is going to be possible using remotely operated systems such as were used with the recovery of the air france vehicle. oil and gas industry has a number of these remotely operated systems but they don't go as deep as where this aircraft is thought to be. there are a few pieces -- in fact -- of equipment that is built here in california by deep ocean exploration and research

that goes to 6,000 meters. so that's able to go deeper. and the ocean graphic institution has equipment that can go deep. the university of hawaii owns this particular piece of equipment and a private company is also equipped with equipment. so there aren't many such pieces of gear available. but there are some. and they can be deployed from ships of opportunity. and once the aircraft is discovered, then comes the difficult challenge of actually positioning yourself three miles above and lowering the equipment below. but it is feasible. it has been done. >> but it's very challenging. >> thank you. i love you are so calm and how you explain it so plainly. thank you sylvia, earle. we appreciate you here on cnn.

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searchers tonight awaiting tests on oil samples found in the mh-370 search area. my team of experts back with me now answering you questions and

tweets. david soucie, nick murphy says what is the purpose of flying this plane through several course changes until it ran out of fuel? >> if i knew that i would know a lot more than i know now. i can't imagine a purpose. i did come up with something recently. we started thinking about what is the purpose of flying around that channel? what if it was to avoid a populated area. we went tightright to the nefarious intent. but to go to the maintenance base coming around there, and realize there was a problem. he may have been trying to avoid land. >> interesting, jim tilmon, this is from jerry, jerry says is it possible to shut off one engine to save fuel and maintain altitude?

>> i think is it possible but doesn't make a lot of sense. i keep trying to apply logic to scenarios. that one doesn't have a it will of logic involved. >> jeff wise this is a tweet from eric. if the eric was able to disable the transponders how hard would it be to disconnect the black boxes? >> that's something we have talked about quite a while ago and it seems like they could have turned off the black boxes. if and when we find these flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder there might not be anything on them. >> mary schiavo. this is from david. why don't pingers ping a unique code in morse instead of a common single ping. then we would know for sure. it is doing this morse code. nothing else does that. that's a good question.

>> that's a good going. the pingers we have are like they are because of a federal regulation. they only have to ping for 30 days and be good down to 20,000 feet. it could be a unique code. this is for sylvia. would they recover human remains from this depth? . >> quite possibly. they certainly would be preserved in that cold, dark realm. but and with the manipulators on the recovery equipment it's possible to pick things up and there is precedent for that in previous kinds of operations. but first job is finding where the aircraft really is. and that's a big challenge.

>> all right. brett larson. let's look at this tweet from bob wilson. if airlines had to fully repay the cost of locating and retrieval would they invest in the technology to low cat faster? >> absolutely. a lot of the technology that could have prevented the problems we are having in this very, very expensive search would be something they would invest in. >> we have another tweet from rich about the cell phone and it says, malaysian government only releasing co-pilot cell phone info to convince the public their theory of foul play is accurate. >> if you want to go down the conspiracy theory routes that is something to do. i will agree i find it unusual that it took them this long to give out information like this. we don't send out meter maids

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i'm don lemon. breaking news tonight. searchers focusing on a visual search area on the indian ocean while experts look at data collected from the bluefin-21 underwater vehicle. no one wants to know what happened more than the families of the people on board the airliner. now they have fears that scammers may target them. with me is floyd weisner who represented the families of those aboard air france 447. it's important we keep focus on the families and keep challenging the government and the authorities and scammers

there in the area. you're a leading international aviation attorney and you have seen reports that scammers are targeting the families of flight 370. i saw where where attorneys were telling people to come to one place this weekend. >> the scammers may not all be lawyers. they are targeting families asking for administrative charges up front. no one will ask for charges up front. that's just not done. people need to be careful about that. i never thought that we would see lower than some of these attorneys who are trolling the hallways making false promises to people. >> it is disgusting. what is your advice to those families, floyd? >> my advice is do not do anything without seek aviation

counsel's help. the insurers are going to ask them to sign releases in exchange for payments for compensation. they have to be careful about that. >> mary, to you. this is what you do. you are an attorney for victims and families in transportation accidents. is there something that law enforcement can do to help protect these families. i don't know the laws in malaysia but is there anything they can do to protect them? >> there are laws in the united states and apply to all united states attorneys. you cannot solicit families for 45 days following a crash. when you go to other parts of the world there are no protective laws for people. china has a family assistance act similar to ours but doesn't

have the solicitation provision in it. but i do understand there is a chinese family group and that the government is trying to encourage them to do what floyd said and to take your time. i once crunched the numbers and averaged what aviation cases take and the average aviation case takes 3.5 years. so they need to understand they have time and should take their time. they need to handle their personal and family affairs first. >> you have spoken to families forming a family association. what are you hearing from the families? >> they are forming associations, particularly the chinese and the others are as well but it's there are a number of them, don, that do not want to address the issue yet. they are hopeful that some wreckage and answers will be found and their loved ones will be found alive.

they are not ready to address this issue yet. >> when these sorts of accidents happen internationally and across international borders does it make the entire process more difficult for families? >> of course it does especially because you have a mix of all types of different countries. but as mary pointed out there are only three or four americans on board. so most of the legal issue won't be carried out in the united states but over there. >> we'll be right back with final thoughts from my experts.

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my experts are back with final thoughts for you. tonight is the 102nd anniversary of the sinking of the "titanic." it took decades to solve the mystery of its final resting place. are there comparisons to be made between these two tragedies? >> yeah, i think it blew people's minds back then i think this has blown people's minds now. >> jim tilmon? >> let's not give up. it took two years to finish the french aircraft. let take the time and get it right. >> mary, are there comparisons?

it was 1912. there wasn't a continuous search but it took them a long time. >> not one but two parallels. one, the search took forever. they had no way to find it. our black boxes need to be streaming black boxes. and it took them after that time to find out the true cause which was a mechanical and substandard steel. >> i agree. we think our technology is keeping us safe where it is not. >> floyd? >> doesn't seem like we learned much since the "titanic" sank. >> david soucie? >> we can't fathom the unimaginable. that's where we need to work.

>> we need to improve black boxes and technology and learn more about the ocean and the deep and the ocean floor. thank you for joining us. all my guests and analysts and experts here. experts here. "ac360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> the first dive by a high-tech sonar subwise aborted in the middle of the mission. we'll tell you why. and we're learning about a cell phone transmission from the plane itself. it came from the cockpit. and a killer take there's lives at two jewish facilities outside kansas city a day before passover. and breaking news on ebola. is it a single international flight from arriving here. we'll have the