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as willy mays or hank aaron. that's why they all honor him by donning his number. happy anniversary to one of my heroes, wherever you are. that's it for me. i'm jake tapper. i'll turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." breaking news. search on. the deep water hunt for malaysia flight 370 resumes but why did that subabo abort its closely watched mission? a military operations launched against pro-russian militants. so why is russia's prime minister warning of a civil war? i'll speak with mike rogers. experts are calling this video, look at it, video of an al qaeda gathering extraordinary. what threat is one of the top leaders making against the united states?
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i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." it's seen as the best hope forever finding malaysia flight 370 now missing for 40 days. but with the world watching, the unmanned u.s. navy submersible bluefin-21 abruptly aborted its maidened mission. a second mission has begun and continues right now in the indian ocean. with the air search ending soon and winter beginning, our correspondents are reporting from every angle bringing you the kind of coverage that only cnn can. let's go straight to perth, australia. cnn's will ripley is standing by. will, what is happening right now with the search? >> reporter: wolf, this is the command center for the search operation happening out more than 1,000 miles from here
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whereas far as we know the bluefin-21 is now about seven hours into mission number two. it was around this time yesterday that the subhad to abruptly abort the mission after completing only a third of what it had hoped to do. will it be able to continue a full scan as it continues to search for flight 370? tonight, the robot sub that may be the best hope of finding malaysia airlines flight 370 is trying to finish its second mission after its first was abruptly cut short. the device known as bluefin-21 did not find the data recorders or wreckage and was forced to return to the surface less than a third of the way into its mission monday. the sub found itself in water too deep to operate. >> this is an area that is new to man. >> reporter: the extreme depth took searchers by surprise and
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shed light on just how little is known about this remote part of the indian ocean. above water, bad weather threatens even more delays. high winds held up today's deployment by hours. experts say it will only get worse as winter sets in. still, the search chief says bluefin-21 is their only option. >> that's the only asset that is available now and i would stress, again, the capability required is to be able to go down to 4,500 meters. and this vehicle is limited once it gets -- the water gets deeper than that. so we would have to get another vehicle if the water were to be deeper still. >> reporter: 40 days into the search, many experts believe there is little hope of finding anything on the surface of the water. so, after spending hundreds of flight hours and millions of
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dollars chasing debris spotted on satellite images, officials say the air search will soon end with so far not one single piece of the plane identified or recovered. one key piece of the puzzle is still being analyzed. samples from an oil slick found in the area over the weekend, almost 3 1/2 miles from where the last ping was detected. testing could provide a lead but results are not expected for days. right now, samples from that oil slick are on an australian ship that is racing back to shore, wolf. and then a helicopter will pick it up and try to take it to a lab to find out if it came from the missing plane. >> as soon as you get that word, let us know. will ripley in australia, thank you. the malaysian cabinet has offered to set up an investigation team to look into the case. joe johns is in kuala lumpur. he's working that part of the story for us. what is this investigative committee, joe, supposed to do?
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>> reporter: wolf, it sounds roughly similar to the investigations that get started like in washington, perhaps the space shuttle mission, the 9/11 commission. it's questions that need to be answered in a thoughtful way, this investigative committee will look into air worthiness, flight recorders, human factors, weather concerns, all of the things that really could help explain how a jumbo jet could seemingly go missing without a trace. with a couple hundred people on board. >> i want you to listen to what the defense minister said. listen to all of this. >> we did not go to the twin tower incident. our ministry of defense was not attacked like the pentagon was. but we need to, for the same of
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that, consider that as a possible future threat and that needs to be addressed and the s.o.p.s that is with the air force may have to be relooked at. >> joe, what are we supposed to make of those comments? they were obviously pretty intriguing. >> reporter: right. well, he made those remarks at the huge defense services expo and his point is that malaysia needs to upgrade its capabilities, including surveillance in space and under water. it sounds like he's saying that the air defenses here are not good enough. it's our understanding that people feel as though they are doing a pretty good job with the situation. people here say some of the criticism is unprus dented and there's not a true template for it and they are starting to push back on the criticism. saying that the plane
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disappeared on one of the most remote locations on earth and they pride themselves that they've gotten together an international coalition to try to find it. no one has said it on the record, so far as i know, but there do seem to be some privately held belief that the criticism from the west includes bias with a country handling a difficult situation. wolf? >> joe johns live in kuala lumpur, thank you. let's go live to peter goelz and law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. peter, what do you make of this -- what are the malaysians suggesting here? >> well, i think they think that there was a double standard, that this was an extraordinary event. any country would have been pushed back on their heels and that maybe the criticism in the first ten days was a little too aggressive. >> is he suggesting -- making
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comparisons to 9/11 that there was in fact some sort of terror connection that happened to that malaysian airliner? >> i don't think he's saying that so much as we're not prepared compared to what the u.s. was prepared. to say that all this time later, you know, seems kind of ridiculous that they didn't get the message that everybody needs to be more defensive and upgrade and secondly to say that this is unprecedented, well, how much of this being unprecedented is because of their own failure the night the plane went off, the trans responder went off, the civil radar lost it and they didn't make the hand off to vietnamese. they've had disputed comments about where it went, what it did and now to say it's unprecedented, no kidding. this is why it's unprecedented. because the plane got lost that night. >> and now they want to create
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an international investigation which i suspect should have been created a while ago. >> yes. it should have been created day two. this whole structure that govern these kinds of events, the reality is that there was enormous media attention and internet attention on a tragedy such as this is where have you been? >> hold on for a moment, guys. i want to bring in kevin mcevoy, the royal new england air commodore. thanks for joining us. we spoke yesterday and you said that you found some debris.
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>> you haven't necessarily made a final decision, right? >> it's a little bit like the oil analysis once that gets on sure they will analyze that and see whether it's related to the aircraft specifically or whether it was from a ship sdim larly, the debris will have to be analyzed. >> do you have an idea how long the air search will continue? we are getting indications that it is beginning to wrap up now that nothing has been found on the surface. what are you hearing? >> day 40 for the search, we're going out again. for us, it's bus as usual. the aircraft is ready, it's ready for the search again today with the recent upgrades to the aircraft. it's designed for an over-water search.
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the crews are sufficiently trained. for us it's just another day and they will continue into how long this takes. >> as long as you takes. so there's no plans, as far as you know, air commodore, to go ahead and cancel the flights? >> we've got no indications. those decisions will be made at a political level. for us, it's business as usual. we're on the flying program for today and the rest of the week and the crew also go out there today and give it their upmost. >> how bad is the weather affecting -- you're obviously getting closer to winter in that part of the world. >> winter is challenging. the surface search is just as difficult. the weather is difficult. the sea state, it's greater sea today forecasted. but the crews are trained for this environment from a new zealand perspective, we're used
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to rescue in these types of environments and the crews will go out again today. >> any new leads, air commodore right now, are you still convinced that where you heard those pings, that's the area that is most likely where the wreckage is? >> so indications that we are getting from the joint agency coordination seen here in the media release is that you are also seeing the area where pings were heard as the area where the underwater search is currently optimized for and our search area for the debris is a different area. so further to the west of that. so slightly different focus. the underwater vessel will obviously go out. and our search aircraft will be one of about nine aircraft going out for the search today and again the crews are raring to go for that. >> air commodore, thank you for
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joining us. we'll check back with you tomorrow if we can. peter goelz, should they just wrap up the air search? >> i think they need to wrap it up. we need to focus on the underwater version. give it another three or four days and close it down. >> do you agree? >> they haven't found anything on the surface yet, they are probably not going to find anything on the surface. devote those energies to the underwater search? >> they are separate energies but continuing to search and not find anything is another matter. >> is it possible they are still looking in the wrong place? >> well, i think some people believe that and it is possible. but with the storms that have gone through there and the length of time that has passed, it may be that they were in the wrong place in the beginning and by the time they got to the write pla right place, it was too. more on the aborted mission bluefin's owner and operator
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. we're following the breaking news here in "the situation room." a second search mission from the unmanned bluefin-21 is now under way in the indian ocean just hours after the american submersible aborted its closely watched first mission. brian todd is here with more on what went wrong. what are you finding out? >> wolf, we have spoken to
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sources close to the operation. they say the bluefin had been calibrated to go to a certain depth. it's not clear why but the vehicle started to move towards a lower depth and at that point it took itself out of the mission. a source close to the operation tells cnn, the bluefin-21 is back in the water, searching for possible debris in the same place it was looking monday night. the source says the underwater drone is operating at about the same depth as its first mission, even though in that first operation it overextended. >> the one condition that causes it to abort its dive is if it reaches its operating depth of 4500 meters. and that's what happened in this case. >> reporter: the bluefin was programmed to go a certain depth but it fell slightly below that level, down towards 2.8 miles below the surface. that's its maximum depth. it's unclear why it went so low but when it did, its safety mechanisms kicked in and brought itself up to the surface, 7 1/2
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hours in to a 20 1/2 hour dive. that's part of the plan to protect it from being lost. >> you speak to it acoustically and while it's operating you're talking to it but it has a program that tells it to run certain heights and lengths off the bottom. >> reporter: officials at phoenix say even though the bluefin had a much shorter run than it did the first time, it was able to scan eight square miles. at that rate, it could take months to map the search area. tonight one search specialist says having only one autonomous underwater vehicle in the area that cannot go as deep as the ocean floor is not enough. >> that's a little bit like you losing your key on the way to your car at night and then backtracking and only searching under the well-lit areas. you need a tool that can do the entire search area. >> reporter: there is such a tool.
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an autonomous underwater vehicle capable of going 6,000 meters below the surface. about a mile deeper than the bluefin can go. the u.s. navy has some of those. so why aren't they deployed in this search? >> the remus vehicles have tasksing. their schedule is pretty tight as to how they operate those vehicles. >> we asked the navy official for more details and only said that they are used for mapping but could not say where or give any other information. the navy also has a vehicle similar to the bluefin called orion which is towed by a ship. it can go deeper than the bluefin but officials say they have not been asked to send that. >> options that can be used. brian, thanks very much. let's get some more on this right now. joining us, oceanographer ellen
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prager. were you surprised that the bluefin-21 aborted its mission? >> i'm never surprised that there's a technical blip when you're working in the oelcean, especially in the deep ocean. here we have a general idea of what the bitemmetry is but you could have gone over a crevice or a valley deeper than expected and then because they programmed it to go like 30 meters over the sea floor, it encountered a deeper depth and triggered itself to abort the mission. >> are these other options that brian todd just told us about, do you think they are more useful right now or should they stick with the bluefin-21? >> well, you know, it sounds like unfortunately those other options are not available right now. so if they were available, it sounds like given the depth of the water that the team is facing, they might be more useful but again, it's really what is available and what can
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do the task at hand. the bluefin, if the depth stays less than 4500 meters, it should be fine. and again, it's just a matter of mapping that sea floor and looking for something that looks manmade. >> it sounds like this is an operation that could last not just weeks but months, maybe even years until even though it's a relatively small area they are looking for. what's your assessment? >> i think it easily could be weeks into months. not only do you have the technical difficulty, but as we've heard, the weather is bad and is expected to get worse and this is always an issue when you're working on the ocean. typically you might schedule a week or two weeks but weather delays and technical problems and just the magnitude of what they are trying to do, yes, it's probably weeks to months. hopefully no longer than that. >> the fact that they heard four pings, including one that went on for two hours, does that tell
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you that they are definitely looking in the right place? >> you know, i tend to -- as a scientist, i tend to be a skeptic. i'm not sure we know everything that they know but they seem pretty confident that those pings are from the black box and i think we have to go with that and the question is, can they narrow the area down enough where the bluefin can be used and it's not going to take, you know, as you suggested, years. >> i hope it doesn't. ellen, thanks very much. we'll certainly check back with you. ellen prager joining us from miami. we'll continue to watch for new developments. also coming up, breaking news we're following here in "the situation room." did the united states miss a huge opportunity to wipe out al qaeda's new leaders? our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is working her sources and the top man in the house intelligence committee. congressman mike rogers is walking into "the situation room." we'll talk about that. talking about ukraine. welcome.
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we're certainly continuing would watch the underwater search but we also have breaking news and a cnn exclusive in the war on terrorism. a new video reveals a dangerous meeting of al qaeda's top leadership. so did the united states know about this gathering? if so, why wasn't there an attack? what was going on? our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is working her sources. she's got the news. tell us what you've learned, barbara. >> well, wolf, we are getting a look at this chilling new video about a major al qaeda meeting. the question, as you say, is why did the u.s. not attack it? >> it's the largest and most gathering of al qaeda in years and the cia or the pentagon either didn't know about it or couldn't get a drone there in time to strike. u.s. officials will not say. but every frame is being analyzed. in the middle, the man known as
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al qaeda's crown prince, brazingly out in the open, a man who says he wants to attack the u.s. seemingly unconcerned he could be hit by an american drone. >> this is quite an extraordinary video. the leader of al qaeda who is also the number two of al qaeda worldwide addressing over 100 fighters, somewhere in yemen taking a big risk in doing this. >> reporter: in his speech, he makes clear he is going after the u.s. saying -- we must eliminate the cross, the bearer of the cross is america. u.s. officials believe the highly produced video is recent with some fighters' faces blurred, it is worried it signals a new round of plotting. >> shouldn't be surprised that such a large group is gathered
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together, including the leadership and somehow they didn't notice. >> reporter: there is good reason to worry. al qaeda in the peninsula is considered the most dangerous al qaeda affiliate. the cia and pentagon have repeatedly killed aqap leaders with drone strikes but the group now em boldened. >> the bomb maker is believed to be responsible for several attempts against the u.s., including the failed 2009 christmas day underwear bomber attack. he is not seen in the video, which emerged on jihadist websites. he remains in hiding and intelligence experts say he and other leaders have gone back to usi using couriers to communicate making it harder to figure out what he may be up to next.
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>> his message to the united states is very much the same as bin ladens. we're coming after you. >> so the question really remains here, did the u.s. not know about this meeting of 100 al qaeda fighters? could they not get a drone there in time to attack? or was there some other intelligence reason the u.s. decided not to attack to pass it by? we don't know the answer. wolf? >> good reporting, barbara starr. important reporting as well. thank you. let's get some reaction now from the chairman of the house intelligence community representative mike rogers of michigan is here in "the situation room." what is the answer? did the u.s. intelligence committee know about this extraordinary meeting? >> i'm not at liberty to discuss exactly what they knew but if you recall the leaks of last year that impacted yemen, it has impacted u.s. intelligence collection posture in the region. >> which leaks are you talking about? >> if you recall, there were
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leaks regarding a yemen enterprise that also involved a foreign intelligence service. i think that individual was arrested here in the united states for those leaks. there was a series of leaks that followed around that event. if you remember, there was an event where there was an individual who got very close to people who were planning and plotting from aqap to do a western-style attack -- excuse me. an attack on a western target. that was disrupted and there was a series of leaks that happened subsequent to that. those series of leaks has had a consequence, which i think is important for all of us to remember that leaks have consequences. this is the most lethal al qaeda affiliate that we know. we get several threat streams constantly from the aqap. some are into the operational phase. this is dangerous, wolf. >> because of that leak and maybe other factors and i know
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you don't want to say this, it looks like they were so brazen, they could get away with a video shot like this, high-definition cameras, if you will, without the u.s. knowing about it. >> they made changes subsequent to the very public leaks of the operation that was in yemen. we know that for a fact. and so that has had an effect. i don't know if that in and of itself would have been enough to say that the u.s. can't get us, we're going to have this big meeting. >> in principle, if the u.s. knew and we don't know what the u.s. intelligence committee knew. but if the u.s. knew that this guy, the number two of al qaeda, if he were hosting 100 terrorists, would the u.s. have launched drones to strike at this kind of a position? because they were out in the open. >> i don't mean to be cute but it really depends. there is a lot of procedures that one would go through to
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strike any package -- to do an air strike on any large individuals. there are policies in place that many argue are arbitrary to prevent any target that would be i don't think that in this particular case was the reason. i think the leaks contributed to this last year. they change the way they communicate. it's difficult to get assets in position. you have to know where they are and where they meet at the right time, at the right place with the right equipment. that's a lot to do. >> because if you're going to strike, use a drone, a missile to kill 100 people, what i hear you saying is that you need extraordinary authorization even if the number two al qaeda is hosting this meeting. >> and you want to make sure
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that in any large gathering you're accurate. the information has to be exactly right if you're going to launch an air strike. >> what does it say to you, mr. chairman, that they are willing to have a meeting like this and film it and put it out on youtube and make these kinds of statements? what does that say about the al qaeda threat right now? >> the al qaeda threat today is more diverse and more aggressive with more threat streams than we've seen before 9/11. so we think that they are feeling empowered. the less pressure you put on them, the more they take that as a victory. the more that they believe they can get away with plotting, planning, organizing, as you saw there, finance training, all of the things that they would need to do to strike a western target, they are going through that process, including, by the way, bringing very sophisticated people to deadvise new devices that would try to get around security protocols at airports and other places. >> mr. chairman, i'm going to have to have you stand by. there's another subject i want
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retook an air field in an eastern city. let's go to jim sciutto who is watching what is going on. it seems to be escalating, this crisis, jim. >> no question. we're learning about a meeting tomorrow in brussels and they will talk about military assets, possible military exercises. but inside ukraine, it's ukraine's own forces that are now in action. from the air and on the ground, ukrainian forces on the move into the increasingly violent eastern part of the country. ukraine's acting president called the maneuvers a broad step in an anti terrorism to prevent pro-russian protesters taking over government buildings in as many as ten cities. >> translator: the aim of these actions is to protect the citizens of ukraine. to stop terror.
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to stop criminality and to stop attempts to tear ukraine to pieces. >> reporter: the moves that ukrainian leaders have overcome fears that military action would strike a broader conflict with russian troops now massing on the border and u.s. officials until now had praised kiev for its restraint gave their first public endorsement of the operation. >> they have the right to provide law & order and these provocations in ukraine, as we know, are being caused and provoked by armed militants is causing a situation in which the government has to respond. >> reporter: russian media, however, is portraying a country in chaos, reporting at least four deaths. russian prime minister dmitry m medvedev warns -- >> translator: i hope that they
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don't drive the country to such a shock. >> reporter: and lavrov accusing the country of repressing the russian minority. >> translator: what it means is to refuse one's own people the right to express their opinion and protest against lawlessness and discrimination. >> these are some of the several cities that have seen violence by pro-russian forces and the worry among administration officials is a repeating of the strategy in crimea before russia effectively annexed it. in other words, using this violence as an excuse for russian forces to come in and now the ukrainian forces are moving into the same areas to confront this. the move so far limited but ukrainian leaders say this is just the first step in a much broader campaign and an anti-terrorist campaign, they call it. >> kiev did not molet's bring b
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mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee. it looks like this situation is going from bad to worse. is it going to explode? >> there's no telling. this is the first sign that the ukrainian military has taken aggressive action, engaged what are believed to be pro-russian forces that are at least mentored by special forces of russia and intelligence -- >> when you say mentored, the accusation is that russian paramilitary or special forces, intelligence operatives have actually moved into eastern ukraine to do what they are doing. it's not just local ukrainians who are sympathetic to russia. what is the latest u.s. intelligence estimates? >> both. so what you see is that you have -- russian trains, special forces and intelligence operatives in eastern ukraine formenting sabotage and other things. >> are these russian citizens or ukrainian citizens? >> it's a combination of both.
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so i do believe and i think the intelligence committee believes that there are russian citizens who are, again, military and russian operatives in eastern ukraine causing this trouble. some of the people may be at the air field and government buildings could be ukrainian nationals sympathetic to the russian cause who are being either trained or brought along by these highly trained russian individuals. >> so they deny that any russian tro troops or personnel are in ukraine doing this? >> i don't buy that. we saw it in crimea and we're seeing it in eastern ukraine, seeing it in georgia. you see this activity and there's been more activity in moldova over the weekend that is being ramped up. >> does putin believe that he
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can get away with all of this? what is going through his mind? >> think about it. he owns 20% of georgia now by his influence. >> that was during the bush administration. >> 2008. and nothing has changed there. except that they are expanding their borders out, which is interesting. and then you see crimea, that he successfully took crimea, not a shot fifrd. that happened. and that's in a real thin strip of land between maldova and ukraine and in eastern ukraine he's using an old time-tested tactic of trouble and agitation. >> doesn't he fear that the sanctions will really bite russia's economy? >> i don't think he's thinking about it the same way that a president would have to worry about an economy. it's dropped from 2% growth to 1% growth. that's a significant challenge for their economy but, remember,
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his economy wasn't doing well before. i think the expectations nationally in russia are not very high and his national numbers of approval have skyrocketed. why? they see him as this national leader who is bringing prestige. remember, putin thinks very differently than the rest of the world on this. he believes after the clash of the soviet union, the rest of the world took advantage of him and russia and he's going to do something about it. >> you want the obama administration to start selling weapons or providing weapons to ukraine? >> i think you have to do it in stages. what i would intelligence. to do the right kind of damage to the pro russian forces there. and then we can ramp it up from there. i think you can go nonlethal up front but you have to do it now. you can't talk about it. you can't take two months. you have to do it now. >> mike rogers, thanks very
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[ male announcer ] introducing xfinity my account. available on any device. 40 days into the search for malaysia flight 370. there's growing controversy over the role china is playing. our national correspondent suzanne malveaux has this report. >> reporter: as the worldwide hunt for malaysia flight 370 continues, the competition over
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who finds it first appears to be intensifying. for china, it's obviously personal. 154 passengers on the plane were chinese, but finding the plane is also in part about power and prestige. >> i think the chinese want to prove to their people and the rest of the world that they are a 21st century military with sophisticated capabilities. >> reporter: but some analysts are now openly asking whether the chinese government is doing more harm than good in its efforts. in the first week of the search, china released satellite photos it said believed showed wreckage. >> china now says one of its satellites has found what could be a crash area for malaysia airlines flight 370. it's released images of what appears to be large floating objects. >> reporter: those objects turned out to be ocean debris more than 2,000 miles from where investigators now believe the plane went down. on april 5th, china reported one
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of its ships detected a possible ping from the flight's recorders. days later, those claims were also dismissed. now some investigators are blaming the chinese for wasting other countries' valuable time and resources in the search early on. tonight, the chinese government is pushing back. after "the new york times" came out with this headline suggesting chinese search efforts are hurting as much as helping. >> translator: i think the point of the report is groundless and irresponsible, even deliberately making trouble. we express our strong dissatisfaction about it. >> reporter: former nato ambassador nick burns agrees. >> i just find that a little bit distasteful, because i remember in the recent past china being criticized for not having been involved at all, so we can't have it both ways. there's enough frustration to go around that none of us have been successful yet in locating this aircraft. >> reporter: and china's making a very big effort for the search, a dozen ships, planes,
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satellites all involved in this. complicated for china, not only because of its relationship with its neighbors and the united states, but the mistrust with its own people. clearly, with so many chinese people on that plane, the government wants to make it clear to them that it's doing everything it can, wolf. >> suzanne malveaux, good report. thank you. coming up, we're going live to australia for the search for flight 370. ♪ [ male announcer ] when fixed income experts... ♪
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happening now, breaking news. deep uncertainty in the underwater hunt for flight 370. will the bluefin-21 be able to finish its second mission after the first one was aborted? we're standing by for live updates on the search. another breaking story, a new warning of civil war in ukraine. civilians trying to stop a moving tank with their bare hands as troops push back against pro russian protesters. and the accused
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