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>> i am just praying that cat story really did have a happy ending. thank you for joining us, we'll see you again tomorrow night. anderson starts now. good evening, everyone, 8:00 p.m. here in new york, 9:00 a.m. off the coast of south korea where the death toll is climbing and anger rising over what happened to this ferry. and the hundreds of people, many of them young, went down with it. the questions are what caused it to capsize, and pieces of flight 370, we have all of that, as well. plus, the u.s. and russia making a deal to try to diffuse the crisis in ukraine, big doubts if it is workable or if it is a way to russia to buy time in what is called a slow-motion takeover. and we begin at sea, where
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hundreds of people are still missing after the south korean disaster. the families that are missing, they don't know if their loved ones are alive. and so far rescue crews have not been able to reach them, 25 people now are confirmed dead after the ferry capsized two days ago. what caused the ferry to sink is not known. but the more pressure is getting to the 276 people believed to be trapped in the ship, many of them high school students from seoul. rescue crews hope that the pockets inside the ferry could be keeping the people alive. but so far 500 divers working 12-hour ships have not been able to get into the ship to pump in more air. the weather is bad, the water is cold. the situation simply heartbreaking. at the white house today, president obama expressed condolences to the family and also said this. >> obviously, information is still coming in. we know that many of the victims of this terrible tragedy were
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students. and american navy personnel and marines have already been on the scene helping with search and rescue. one of our closest allies, our commitment to south korea is unwavering in good times and bad and that is something i will underscore in my visit next week. >> kyung lah joins us now. >> reporter: well, anderson, we're hearing from the rescue teams they're treating this as a search and rescue operation. they're searching for the living. despite the mounting challenges it has now been 72 hours since the ship went into the water. hope is certainly dimming, the rain as you can see is still coming down and slowing what is already a painstaking search. hundreds of boats and hundreds of divers all focused on one
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thing, finding survivors. the frantic search continues, just one day after scores of rescues on the sinking ferry. family members wait desperately on shore, but so far no survivors pulled from inside the ferry. rescue crews hope the capsized ship contains air pockets with enough air to keep passengers alive. while many relatives watch over the search and rescue area, others cling to cell phones praying for a missing text from their children. bad weather only makes the search that much more treacherous. at one point, high tides turned the rescue teams around and slowed the hunt. desperation is settling in. shouldn't i be angry at that, said his father, whose second grade son is missing. if the government cares for our people please rescue our families and our children. other parents vented anger directly at south korea's president as the details surrounding the evacuation trickled out. as passengers clung for their
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lives, the ship's captain managed to save himself. and cnn affiliate ytn reports only one life boat was deployed, even though there were 46 on board. even more troubling, the survivors say the guidance given by the crew told them to stay where they are. >> don't move, if you move it is more dangerous. don't move. >> reporter: and this video said to be taken inside the sinking ferry shows passengers wearing their life jackets and doing what they're told, sitting inside. another shows a passenger clinging to the floor. students who survived told reporters their classmates who listened to the stay-put order calmly remained in their rooms and likely never made it out. today, the ship's captain hid his face from cameras and gave no explanation to police about what caused the deadly accident. but he did offer this. >> any words for the family members of the missing, i am sorry.
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i am at a loss for words. >> an answer that will bring little comfort to the scores of grieving families overcome by loss. >> and kyung lah, i know you talked to some of the family members today. i can't imagine, this is just a nightmare. >> reporter: it certainly is a nightmare, and you see it in their faces. you can hear it in their voices, even though they're speaking korean that pain is very, very human. they actually called cameras over to a gathering of the families today. they specifically asked cnn to join them in the tent. they were crying and screaming. one of the things they were screaming, captain come out. what they want is a face to face with this captain. they want to know why he chose to save himself and yet someone on the crew told the other passengers, hundreds of passengers to stay on board the sinking vessel. they also want to know why the
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government does not appear to be moving as quickly as they would like. but certainly, anderson, i mean, this weather is just terrible. it has been a very, very difficult 24 to 48 hours. >> it is unbelievable, kyung lah i appreciate it. joining us, maritime expert, and president of security dynamics and rescue diver, butch hendr k hendrick, president. what do you make of this? the idea the captain would have been able to get off this ship while others were being told to remain in place. i know you have been in touch with rescuers. what are they telling you about the conditions right now? >> well, getting back to your first point about the captain, what we have heard is that yes, he was one of the first individuals -- >> sorry, go ahead. >> one of the first -- he was one of the first people to be pulled out of the waters into a
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rescue craft. however, it is not clear when he entered the water. it may have been that he entered much later than those passengers that were able to make it into the water. nobody actually saw him leave. but he was one of the first to be pulled from the ocean. so it is still somewhat hazy as to what took place there. the conditions are absolutely abysmal, as you said it is a nightmare there. you're talking about winds that are going to increase the surface chop for the divers that are there. and we have divers from the coast guard, the navy, and even the republic of korean s.e.a.l.s as well as private divers joining in the search. they're dealing with low visibility due to silt. currents between two and a half and five knots, almost six miles per hour. also very cold water, we're talking ten degrees celsius, 15 farenheit.
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all of this is combined to make an extremely difficult rescue effort. coupled with the fact you have debris and hazards once they find their way into the ship. and they have not done that. >> there are reports that there were not evacuation simulations, that they had only studied the manual drills, does that make any sense to you? >> no, absolutely not. one of the protocols on ships you have evacuation drills, fire drills, these are mandatory something the crews should be well trained in and well versed in. and apparently it looks like the case that they were not. apparent to me that when these life rafts were not deployed we could see a problem with the training. >> and captain, there was also reports from the passengers who say they don't recall being given safety instructions before boarding the ship. is it standard to give safety instructions to passengers? >> absolutely, here in the united states that is done all the time. no matter what type of vessel
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you're on. they will always give you some type of safety protocol or a safety lecture letting you know where the life jackets are, where the life rafts are. in the event of a problem, what you should do. it is usually a five or ten minute lecture. they even do them on the head fishing boats that you may take out to go fishing with your family. you usually get some type of life saving explanation. >> butch, i know you're an experienced rescue diver. i think for people who don't dive, when they see part of the ship still sticking out of the water it doesn't look like it is that deep. you know, it is hard to understand why it is such a complex procedure to try to get inside the ship under water. can you explain what a dive like this is like? i mean, with the low visibility, the freezing cold temperatures and also the current? >> yes, anderson. one of the things of course is just the low visibility. and with only -- they're saying they have if they're lucky four or five feet of visibility.
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they can't see anywhere. inside that ship right now, the surge, the flushing movement of the water from the current and the waves, the storm that is around them has got to be moving things in every possible direction. the divers are doing everything they can just to hold in position, to heck with being able to move forward anywhere. and as the ship is going to be up and down slightly it has no choice but to move in that sea. the divers have to be extremely careful in not being hit by something while they're trying to get underneath that deck. >> butch, the idea that there could be people in air pockets, does that seem viable to you? >> the only air pocket that would be viable, anderson, to me is the one that is forward. because the ship is inverted and the forward portion of the bow is still sticking out of the water. so if there were going to be an air pocket that is where it would be. the rest of that boat does not
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look to me as if it had any dry compartments whatsoever, or the lockout compartment. the difficulty with that is if the ship was sinking and rolling, how many individuals will go down below the decks to the lowest part of the ship and then forward to an area where there is no escape, rather than up in attempting to go to the stern, the fan tail where it is open deck and that is where you would need to go. >> and captain, they say it is critical for every single vehicle to be latched down, correct? >> oh, absolutely. in the event of some type of casu casualty. even though the weather may be good and you have nice, calm a seas you always have to be prepared for the unexpected. and as you see here they have had an unexpected incident. and it sounds like the vehicles were not latched down which would have a major effect on the center of gravity, which could
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cause the ship to list and lay on her size and then capsize. >> how much water in the cargo vessel would put the water into instability? >> well, there is a similarity between this event and the herald or free enterprise, another ferry that sunk and took out 193 lives. it also had deck space, you need a lot of area to put trucks and cars. there is something called the surface-free effect, or the free-surface effect, which means that you could have water entering into the vehicle deck and only have an inch or two inches of water on that deck and cause the vessel to go into a critically unstable condition. because the water is sloshing back and forth. and if the vessel becomes unstable it will be very difficult for the crew to save
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her. and that appears to be at least part of the problem. we know the vessel went unstable. and for 30 minutes the captain, using the crew, attempted to stabilize the vessel before he gave the order to give up and evacuate the ship. and of course, we don't know whether that notice was ever put out over the p.a. system. >> so horrible, i can't imagine, the eyewitness accounts and images of the ferry as it was sinking captured some of the terror there in the sea. it is looking like human error likely paid a role in the botched evacuation. today, randi kaye has more. >> reporter: as the south korean ferry began to lean, this is what it looked like and felt like. so at a this point with the vessel on its side, people would have been falling? >> yes, people would be falling and injured and climbing over each other if they were in a
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crowds compartment. and there would definitely be great fear and panic. >> reporter: this is a rare look inside a ship simulator in baltimore, maryland. captain donald marcus is showing us what the people on board the ferry at sea would have been experiencing as the ship started to sink. it is so disorienting. >> yes, it certainly is at that point. >> reporter: as the ferry took on water, a loud speaker warned passengers to stay put. >> don't move, it is more dangerous if you move. >> reporter: this cell phone video shows people staying in place. those who ignored the warning believe that is why they got out alive. >> kept announcing it about ten times, so kids were forced to stay put, so only those who moved survived. >> reporter: the captain says that is not standard protocol, that the passengers should have been moved to upper decks. is there something that passengers should do in a situation like that? >> you would certainly go to a
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higher deck where you exit the vessel, generally speaking you're safer on the vessel until at such point you assess yes the vessel is going to sink and then you began to abandon ship. >> reporter: but a blanket warning of don't move doesn't make sense is? >> not to me. >> reporter: when the ferry took on water, alarms like these would have sounded. they wouldn't have indicated if the ferry hit a rock or if there had been an explosion, nor would they specify where the water is coming in. >> you would be getting various alarms, doing emergency signals. you would be trying to contact various crews to do assessments. >> reporter: investigators believe the ferry likely ran off course due to foggy weather. they say the ship may have made a sharp turn to get back on track. >> the danger is not overcorrecting, the danger is getting to that point of no return. >> reporter: we can even simulate the rescue effort, they're dealing with heavy winds, rains, rough seas. you can see the rescue crews and
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choppers up above, which are there. but looking at these conditions it is easy to understand why it has been so difficult for the rescue crews to get inside the ferry and see if there is anyone there still alive. alive and perhaps in air pockets in the ship. but neither time nor temperature are on their side. randi kaye, cnn, baltimore. questions about this, you can follow me on twitter @andersoncooper, using hash tag "ac360." and later coming up, the fuel and debris regarding flight 370, is there a plan b? we'll talk with one of the top leaders and we'll take you inside a deep manned submersible and show you what a recovery effort looks like miles under water. i'm beth... and i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store.
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about 8:20 a.m. off the coast of australia, and new developments on analyzing the data from the bluefin-21 mission. getting ready for another run, the reports show that it could take as much as a month to get the work done, crediting the work as focused. in a moment we'll take you under water in the kind of vehicle
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that could soon enter the underwater effort. what is the latest in perth? is the bluefin back in the water? >> reporter: yeah, you know, anderson good friday and all they're running behind on their updates. but trip number four was completed. we're waiting for word on the data that came up from that. trip number four is done, trip number five should be under way. we're told a total of 150 square kilometers or square miles has been covered. a depth of between 3200 and 4700 meters is what they have seen so far. and by all accounts the bluefin is operating very well on a technical level. they are getting good resolution, 3-d, but so far have not found anything, anderson. >> and the analysis of the oil samples collected from the ocean this week show it is not from the aircraft. that is obviously a low blow.
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but the search teams do feel like they're still looking in the right place? >> yeah, it is interesting. the data from trips one through three has been analyzed. but they haven't found anything there. they were hoping they would find something, but it has been ruled out. what is interesting, anderson, is they have narrowed down and focused this search area. we're getting word from people involved in the search operation that there is a level of confidence about this. they do feel they're in the right spot. and while they haven't found anything so far let's remember we're only a few days into this ocean floor search. and it is interesting getting the feedback from those involved in the search. the confidence level, they do feel like they will find something, anderson. >> all right, michael holmes, false leads and hope. we have heard conflicting statements on how long the search operation will go on. australia's prime minister said
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at least a week, maybe longer, they are not giving up but however are talking about a plan b. our tom foreman is here to show us what that might look like. >> hey, anderson, it is perfectly fine for searchers to say they have a plan b. but we have had a lot of these plans over the time since the plane disappeared. and just take a look at what we've seen in the past month alone. every one of these single efforts represents a new plan. this represents hundreds of thousands of square miles down here alone and that is not counting the search up in to mama the malacca strait. this is the best bet right now. this is where they have the underwater bluefin, it managed to search only a dozen sea miles in very difficult conditions. the search above sea water is happening over here with planes and boats and they keep saying
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they hope they find something. but what if they don't? what if this plan also fails? well, that is when they talk about this new idea. and that is where they take this new pinging area, and search about 11,000 square miles down here. hoping to find something. so that is their plan b and they can call it a plan b, but anderson, in all fairness they can also call it x, y or z at this point. >> all right, thank you very much. and let's bring in richard quest, and david gallo, and also with us, david souci, cnn analyst and author of "why planes crash." and aviation writer geoffrey thomas. david, the bluefin so far yielded no information about the plane, what we know about it in the last bit still being
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analyzed. searchers said the last dive that took about nine hours was particularly successful. does that tell you anything? >> just that they're getting better at what they do. i mean, this team is a well qualified team. they're getting the vehicle tuned to work at those depth thethe -- getting the vehicle out and more power. and just the peak performance. >> and david, they're suggesting they may have to expand the search area beyond where they heard their pings. i mean, it looks along the arc where they think the plane may have actually gone. but if that is the case it seems like we're in for a very long haul. >> if we're talking about can't matthews talked early on about tactical surveying going right on at the bull's eye. if they're talking about wider areas, they will have to talk
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more about the vehicles. don't know how they will do that. >> geoffrey, everybody involved in the underwater search, we're hearing they're confident they're in the right location. are you hearing that from your sources, as well? and do you think there is some type of information they're working on that has not been publicly released? >> indeed, anderson, i mean, we have to sort of take ourselves back about a week ago. they had four strong pings. they had two fading pings. this was the spot where the inmarsat final hand shake was recorded. so the electronic, if you like, footprint of this is this location. and i think -- if my memory serves me correctly, and david can verify this, when they did all the re-calculations of air france 447 and put the bluefin-21 in there, i think it was about a week, maybe six days where it was located. so i mean, we're only day three,
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two simulated on board missions, two good admissionmissio missio. so there is a strong level of confidence they're looking in the right area and i'm getting that from a several sources here. >> was it eight to ten days? >> yeah, it was eight to ten, or nine days, it was the remus 6,000. >> all right, geoffrey, it sounds like there is some confusion about when the air search for floating debris is actually going to end. we have heard from air marshal in charge that it could be any day. yet the planes are still flying? >> it is a very interesting point, anderson. and they did indeed say we're going to wind this back. however, they then started searching in an area which was -- has been searched before. in fact about three weeks ago. it is -- well further away. but -- and i asked the question
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about this and they said look we have had new drift calculation data. so new analysis and we're continuing the search. so there is up to 12 or 13 aircraft a day going ought to this locality. which is about a thousand miles west of perth. and 6 or 700 miles west of where they're looking for the pings. that is an approximate. >> and the transportation minister echoing what the prime minister said. if nothing is found they may have to regroup soon. but that really does not seem all that easy, the idea of just re-grouping and re-focusing the search. they have been talking about this as a tactical search. >> you were right the first time. if this is not the area, and they have lost confidence in it being the area because they have searched so thoroughly and there
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is nothing there then they really are in very deep problems. because they don't have anything else besides the inmarsat and the pings to work on. there is no other evidence of which we are aware. so what they will do is go back and look at that data again. have they missed something? could they have re-calibrated it differently. was there a potential to move it 100 miles in either direction. that is the only thing they can do, anderson, if this proves to be not the resting place. >> and david souci, how big a blow is it the fact this oil or whatever they found on the surface of the water is not linked to the plane? >> it is a blow in that it would have given us an answer right then. but in any investigation we have the leads where you go down. you have to finish those out. just as we know they found the oil and found out it was not it. i'm still confident, the pings were there, but that would be consistent with the fact the batteries are dead. but to me, there is -- >> there is no other explanation
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for the pings. they have ruled out anything unnatural, they say it was not man made. >> you can rule out the argument, they say it is not the black boxes. but that is flying in the face of the best evidence around. >> i want to thank all of our panel. we have to take a quick break, just ahead, david mattingly will show us how the missing black boxes, if they are found, could be brought to the surface. it is amazing technology. we'll also show you the gigantic patch of garbage in the indian ocean that may make it impossible to find any debris from the flight. for myself. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still gonna give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids,
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the u.s. navy's unmanned sub, the bluefin-21 is doing its work deep below the southern indian ocean and if and when it locates the black boxes, another vehicle will be used to retrieve it. tonight we'll show you who it looks like, david mattingly shows us what they use, there are only about half a dozen capable of making a dive into the bottom of the ocean. this is not one of them. david is in much calmer waters. the sub he is in uses technology to pick up sounds in underwater, however. what is it like, david? you're only at 50 feet but what is it like? >> reporter: well, anderson, even at 50 feet here it is very different from the two or three miles we might be looking at in the indian ocean. but the conditions here are very much the same. the visibility, the light, the currents, everything is very
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similar to what someone might see in that possible end game, if a manned submersible has to go down and retrieve the black box. now, phil nuytten is here with me. he actually develops vehicles like what we're in right now. and phil, show me, we have an arm outside. we actually have a black box replica attached to it. it would take normally about ten minutes in the best of circumstances normally to grab that arm. can you show me how difficult it is just to put it in the basket that you need to carry it up to the surface. >> sure, glad to. >> and talk me through this. you're going inch by inch, very slowly, why is this? >> very slowly, delicately, patience is required. it is coming in curves, i have to calculate where it is going to go and grab the spot.
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>> it is a very tenuous situation, if you drop that, you have to start all over. that is the conditions here, anderson, if you stir up the sediment, it is like sneezing into a handful of flour. there is just going to be a cloud of material that is going to blind you and you have to wait for that material to settle. so it is a game of inches down here, even at 50 feet. but it would be the same at two miles, three miles down below. >> well, it may well be worse. this is very coarse material, the very fine saediment or dust you have to wait for it to settle before you can do any work. >> and right now, anderson, you can see with the cameras it is still somewhat m urky here, we
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have these tremendous bright lights out in front here, illuminating this area. and we can still see about four feet in front of us. that is under the best conditions we have here. >> let me ask, when you're in a vehicle here at those depths trying to pick up a black box, are you actually stationary on the ground, or are you floating and would have to kind of maneuver based on the currents? >> yes, we are actually stationary on the ground. that actually helps because of the currents you have down below. you would have to brace yourself. you don't want the currents pushing you around while you're trying to do this kind of delicate work. there is temperatures and all sorts of problems you have to work through, right? >> that is correct, you want to be as hard and fast on the bottom so you can concentrate all of your efforts making the recovery. >> and what is the deepest a manned submersible can go? because obviously there are
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unmanned ones for really great depths? >> we have about a half dozen manned submersibles that have go very deep, how deep can they go? >> some are very deep, for instance, jim camerons can go full depth. 35,000 feet. there are a number of subs that can go 25,000 feet. probably a handful. and depending on where the wreck is located. >> and they have similar conditions, anderson, to like what we have in here right now. the water is about 42 degrees. it would be about the same at the bottom of the indian ocean. >> it wouldn't be much colder. >> and we have four men inside a submarine that is made for actually three people. and just the normal respiration, everything is very wet here with all the condensation. it is almost like it is raining here, that is just some of the conditions they would have down
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here. >> david, do you have a lot of experience in underwater work? when you're coming back up, is it like diving where you have to wait at a certain depth in order to -- before surfacing too quickly so you don't get the bends, or it doesn't matter? >> not in a sub like this, anderson, where you're pretty multiple encapsulated in the enclosure, with the pressure. so it is great to see the true pioneering with the ocean. are there subs that are air flyable? i guess anything is air flyable if you have a big enough plane? so could you deliver a submarine by air or do you have to put it on a boat and truck it half way around the world? >> dave gallo would like to know if you can deliver a submarine by air? >> it has certainly been done many times, we don't build subs
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that go to those depths, but there are subs that could be delivered by air certainly. >> in this case we were actually put in this by a giant arm, lowering us in it. it was just a very quick trip down to 50 feet below here. so it was really nothing to deploy us here, how long would it take to get to the bottom? >> well, on the titanic, the trip to the bottom was about three to three and a half hours. and this was about twice and deep. one could reckon it would be about four to six hours. >> and this is one that would possibly -- >> absolutely, it may be better, all the unknowns, you don't know until you get there. >> amazing, thank you very much. david gallo and david mattingly. all right, coming up, not a single piece of debris from the flight. and questions about ukraine taking an ugly turn outside a synagogue. and the deal that they have made
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clearly hope remains they will either spot something on the surface or just underneath it. so far as we have discussed the hope has gone almost entirely unfulfilled. questions still exist, joining us, kevin mcavoy, part of the royal search effort. what can you tell us about the search effort? >> they had a no-fly day with the crews, basically no flying today and the crews doing maintenance with the aircraft. they did find some debris, but unfortunately it was not attributed to the missing plane itself. they actually went out and found some debris which they had anticipated would be. but they have sent a chinese ship into the area, they picked up what was unfortunately only floating debris of the fishing variety. >> there has been some confusion as to when the air component of the search would end. can you give us a sense of timing as to when that might
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happen, if you know? >> so we have had no official word around the conclusion. so airplanes at the moment as are all the other nations, they're planning to continue the search for as long as we have been told. >> who makes that decision to finally call off the air search? >> so my understanding is the decisions will be made at a political level obviously on the advice of international expertise. so the malaysian authorities in conjunction with the maritime australian authority. >> are you surprised at this time more than 40 days in that not one piece of debris associated with the plane has been found? >> it is day 42. and we have been there since the tenth of march. so it is a long effort for us and for all the other nations involved. it is a big search area. it is a long way off the coast of australia. and there were quite unusual circumstances in which the aircraft has been lost. so the level of data that was
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available early on in the search, really it is not that surprising that they're over such a vast over in such a long period of time that no debris has been found. it is disappointing for us, absolutely. but the crews will go out there again today focused on the operation. the aircraft is specifically equipped for search and rescue. the crews are well focused and if there is anything to be found on the surface they will find it. >> mcevoy, i appreciate your time. >> thanks, anderson, cheers. >> and the latest objects recovered from the search area is said to be garbage. that is what is explored underneath the surface, and what is known as one of the planet's biggest junk yards. randi kaye reports. >> you know the debris we find in and around our homes. here is a paint brush handle, a toy leg from a baby. flip-flops. >> reporter: not items from a landfall, but from the ocean.
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more specifically the indian ocean gyre, essentially a garbage patch overflowing with plastic. the massive current spins counterclockwise. he says that gyres are like plastic soup. >> that is typical of what the material looks like. >> reporter: in 2010, he sailed through the indian ocean gyre, the same search area where the searchers are looking for doo d ed flight 370. >> what we found were buoys, buckets like the ones behind me, crates, consumer goods like bottles and caps and bags and forks and knives. there was so much stuff already there. so the aircraft is blending into all that. >> reporter: which is one reason why locating the missing plane is such a challenge. satellite images once thought to be debris fields? likely just floating garbage.
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recently a chinese ship in search of the airplane came across trash instead. even sea life can't tell the difference. fish, sea lions, birds, they all ingest this junk, thinking it might be food. >> you know, i hear this talk about there being 300-plus pieces from the aircraft. there are 300,000-plus pieces of trash already there. >> reporter: the indian ocean gyre are anot the only ones there, they are elsewhere, forming when there is a vortex of swirling water, which pulls them into the center of the indian ocean. the gyre is thought to be about 2 million square miles, the united states is just under 4 million square miles. and this garbage is not still, it travels about half a mile per hour or about 12 miles per day and it may be carrying parts of the plane with it. >> it has moved away from the
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crash site, moved to maybe 50 to 100 miles by now and dispersed as well. it is joining the background of other debris. >> reporter: leaving search teams to play catchup as they try to track down flight 370. randi kaye, cnn, new york. what a mess, coming up, the latest from ukraine, secretary of state john kerry and his ukrainian count erpart meeting. and easing tensions, we'll have more on the plan on how to get that done if it is going to work. and i quit smoking with chantix. when my son was born, i remember, you know, picking him up and holding him against me. it wasn't just about me anymore. i had to quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. chantix didn't have nicotine in it, and that was important to me. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about
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more troubling news from the ukraine tonight, a leaflet has been distributed from donetsk, ordering the jews to register with the office. something that was called grotesque. cnn's correspondent nick walsh is there, he joins me now. son nick, the agreement reached today what does it do to de-escalate the conflict? >> reporter: they are actually agreeing on the situation, if you look at the text it is messy, calls on illegal occupations of buildings to end and groups illegally armed to put down your weapons. but frankly, if you're kiev, there are militants with them
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backing them up. if you're pro-russian, lots of scope for things to fall apart. and frankly we spoke to the leaders of the republic. when john kerry he was not even aware it was happening. they're not paying a huge amount of attention to this process. they're looking towards a referendum today saying they want to see it by may 11th to establish which one donetsk wants to be a part of. there are still reports for potential for violence here on social media. >> and these fliers distributed in eastern ukraine, telling the citizens that they need to register with the pro-russian government, what do we know about them? >>. >> reporter: >> reporter: well, it seems like one bizarre incident, which was unusual for john kerry to focus on. but at the synagogue, they put the posters up, demanding people to register if they were jewish.
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we spoke to one spokesperson, who said it was a provocation. and designed to draw out hate. he said we're fine with the people of donetsk. and the self-declared head of the opposition hrks he said it is a fake, not even his handwriting. he also calls it a provocation. both sides here trying to dismiss this as trying to ferment hatred. and it is bizarre both being accused of being fascists, and others are not concerned about it at all. >> nick walsh, thank you, we appreciate it. we'll be right back with more. ♪ [ dog barks ] ♪
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that is it for us, make sure you set your dvrs so you never miss "ac360." cnn with bill weir starts right now. good evening, i'm bill weir, this is cnn tonight. thank you for joining us. and as we wind down our thursday here in the united states friday dawn is breaking, and developing stories are on the other side of the planet. could this be the day searchers off the west coast of australia finally find a sign that the flight 370 was in the same spot they went back to yesterday, possibly encouraging sign they have something they're convinced th
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