up empty. is it time to regroup? new questions this morning rc. t baby on board. chelsea clinton announces she is preg pregnant. what does this mean for a hillary presidential run? your "new day" starts right now. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." it is good friday, april 18th. now, 6:00 in the east. we're going to begin with the desperate effort to reach some 270 people, many teenagers, believed to be in that sunken ship. the death toll has been raised to 8. the number they're focused on is the missing. those are the people they believe are trapped and time is of the essence. >> the boat is now completely under water. divers battling fierce winds and rough water still have finally entered the boat's second deck. international correspondent paula hancocks is in jindo, south korea, with the latest.

>> reporter: kate, we have fresh information for you. we have heard from local police here in jindo, south korea. the deputy principle of that school where most of these high school students were from, has been found dead just by the gymnasium where many of the families are wait for news of their relatives. local police saying he was found hanging from a tree. another tragedy to add to this one. we're going into the third night here. relatives sitting by the water desperately looking out to sea wondering whats has happened to their loved ones. this morning, divers in south korea have finally made their way into the ship's hull. the ship now completely submerged under choppy seas, the strong currents in murky water making any rescue efforts nearly impossible. rescuers this morning pumping oxygen into the ship in the hopes of providing air to anyone inside who may be alive. but the desperate families wait for answers, it's not enough.

they're pleading with authorities to do more, releasing a statement saying, we are making this appeal with tears because we are so furious with the way the government is handling this. some relatives broke down after hearing of a rumored autopsy report that one victim may have been trapped for some time before passing away. cnn cannot confirm this report. he is wait for word on his 16-year-old nephew. >> so even if how hards it is, how difficult it is, how hard it is, i don't care. i want to hear the truth. >> reporter: and new questions this morning, why when the ship took 2 1/2 hours to cap sides, were hundreds still tap trapped. the captain one of the first t. to be rescued, 300 passengers told not to move. and investigators now revealing that he was not at the helm at the time of the accident, his third officer was. i'm sorry, he says.

i'm at a loss for words. and the weather still not being conducive to the search and rescue operation. the winds are high. the waters are rough. and we know that those divers who did manage to get inside the hull this day were not able to find any survivors or any bodies. back to you, chris. >> incredibly painful situation given how many people, especially young people, are missing and feared trapped inside the ships. emotions are going to run high. let's bring in to talk us through the conditions the divers have facing, president of s.e.a.l. survival, kate courtly. thanks for being here. one of the things you immediately and properly pointed out even on our beautiful and magical wall, one thing is inaccurate. this water we can see through it and see the bottom of the ship. what are the conditions? >> basically, if i was diving on the ship it would be the same as me being inside the washing machine that has 50 degree temperature and my eyes are closed. that's what these guys are

dealing with. they're getting barbed around in there not to mention all the hazards of going inside this thing, getting caught up on this thing. if you have a failure with your diving gear, you're way out. it's going to be tough. these guys are really, really taking huge risks. >> obviously s.e.a.l. stands for sea, air, lad. current, visibility, and temperature, those are enough to slow down or stymie an effort. >> trying to do this kind of a salvage dive when it's 80 degrees and clear water is still dangerous because you're operating inside these things. imagine a hotel that's half the size and submerged in water. okay. and it's pitch dark. instead these guys are dealing with the ship moving around 50 to 53-degree water. again, pretty much doing with the eyes closed was the visibility is maybe six inches in front. >> in that three-dimensional environment, obviously, floating objects become very real and very dangerous for them.

>> it's not like everything is in its place and they have clear hallways or passageways as you comb the ship. they are dealing with everything moving around. literally like i said you're in that washing machine with the clothes now. they are literally hand by hand just moving through these areas trying to find something. and you know, this is where most of the passengers were. now this thing upside-down, that's 30, 40 feet under the surface of the t water. >> very often we see in operations like this they cut through the hull to go in. they haven't done that here. why? >> that's a good question. because initially once you do that you're also creating annes a scape area for the air so the air that was maybe keeping this thing up, you do that, it evacuates all that. it's going to cause the thing to sink even faster. it's sort of one of the last results. the thing that's really kind of upsetting is you're not hearing people banging on metal or anything like that. you would be hoping the divers would be saying we're hearing something signaling. we haven't heard any of that. >> at the time the

practicalities are weighing against what we're holding out here for hope of optimism. until we have the information we're going to stay in the cause of survivability. what is going to be the best indication of a chance of surviving here, the fact that it is barely below the surface so there must be air left? >> absolutely. the fact as large as it is, many people are still missing as they are, you are dealing with, you know, hypothermia issues and lack of oxygen. every time you exhale, carbon dioxide and that creates a lack of oxygen in that area. you're going to pass out from that. that said, about six months ago there was a ship that sunk off the coast of nigeria and it was at 100 feet of depth and three days later they found the cook down there. three days later he had been in the similar type of situation in a void, breathing and they saved him. so you got to maintain hope. clock is ticking but there's still a chance. >> so there is a chance. that's why they're trying to get through. right now we're reminding you of

that. remember, they found that chef there. he was alive. he was in rough shape but he was alive. a lot of young people here but that's going to mean they're very strong also. when we're going through this, new information. captain wasn't at the helm. third eye in command is at the helm. does that trouble you? >> absolutely. that's when all the problems started happening. when you have inexperience at the helm. compounded by them not taking the action and saying, hey, let's get everybody on deck and out of their rooms. let's get ready to do an abandon ship. even if they didn't have people ready to go, so they can fight for their life. instead, told to stay put and now if anybody is alive, that's probably where they're at. >> and that's going to be the race to try and get there. when we see those divers around we know the families are frustrated. they're not in the water because they can't be, not because they're going slowly. divers want to dive, right? >> absolutely. they would love to float in there and take care of this. but it's so incredibly dangerous

for these divers. do you want to compound death toll by people trying to get to survivors, them keeping their lives in an effort to do that. you know, it's an almost an impossible situation given the conditions on sight. >> cade courtley, thank you very much for being with us. >> my pleasure. also new this morning, malaysia asking for more help in search for flight 370. as the unmanned drone known as bluefin-21 we've been tracking so closely, it is now on its fifth mission scanning the waters in the indian ocean. so far though it's found nothing. cnn's erin mclaughlin is in perth, australia, with the latest. how is today's search coming along as far as we know? >> reporter: well, good morning, kate. this morning we heard from malaysia's acting transportation minister over twitter saying that they are considering the possibility of deploying more

underwater submarines in the area. this as overnight the bluefin-21 reaching new depths. it climbed -- dove, rather, some 4.7 capitol hikilometers beneat surface. it's a good thing that it's able to reach these new depths given this is a critical area, the area they believe it's the most probable place they will find the black box based on the ping detections. but four complete dives in and nothing to show for it so far. and we heard earlier in the week from the australian prime minister, tony abbott, saying he expects within the week to have exhausted the most promising leads. and from there officials are going to have to reassess the situation. now, we are still waiting for an undate on that fifth dive. not clear if it's been complete. we'll bring you that information as soon as we have it. chris? >> we'll be back to you, erin. thanks for the reporting.

sanctions and shows of force have so far failed to make a difference in ukraine but world leaders are still leaning on diplomacy. the latest effort is a joint statement by russia, the u.s., ukraine, and the eu calling for groups to lay down their weapons. seems to be falling on deaf ears as unrest persists on the ground, buildings are occupied, mass militants are on the street. now jewish residents were given fliers demanding they register themselves and pay a fee or be deported. cnn's phil black is live in ukraine. >> reporter: chris, good morning. breaking just a few moments ago the pro-russian separatist groups occupying a building here in donetsk say they're not going anywhere. that agreement in geneva says these groups should leave the buildings, lay down their weapons. the groups this morning saying they are not going to do that. they did not sign the deal. they are not recognizing it. they believe it is the government in kiev that sill legal. no big change as a result of

that attempted diplomacy. meanwhile, another disturbing act has been committed at least in the name of these pro-russian sprais groups. outside a synagogue here in donetsk, fliers have been distributed demanding that all jewish people over the age of 16 register their identities and their possessions as well. as i say, this is done on a letter head suggesting that it being issued by the pro-russian separatist groups. they have denied being responsible for it at all. the jewish community believes that they are being used in a wider political game and they are angry. they also say they are fearful about it. but it is such a sensitive issue and a very disturbing act in a country where millions of people lost their lives during the nazi occupation of world war ii. chris? >> all right, phil, thank you very much. appreciate the reporting from there. urgent situation. other news this morning as well, mi well, michaela is back. >> that virus won't get me down.

let's look at the headlines at this hour. we start with the official obamacare enrollment numbers. they are in. democrats are taking a bit of a victory lap. president obama announce that 8 million have now enrolled. exceeding expectations by 1 million. what really counts according to the president, 28% of those enrolled are between 18 and 34 years of age. enough healthy young people to make the law a success. critics say that figure should be 40%. rescue operation under way on the world's highest mountain after an avalanche on mt. everest killed nine sherpa guides. three others were hurt. several others are missing. they say it happened more than 20,000 feet above we sea level, just above base camp. the guides were preparing the summit for climbers when the avalanche hit. this is the deadliest single event in the mountain's history. now in custody. a cuss expect in a series of highway shootings in and around kansas city. the man's identity has not been

released and neither has a motive. the attacks began in early march. police have now collected some 20 reports of shootings. three people are recovering from their injuries. and if you have shopped at a michael's craft store chain in the last year you better listen up. officials say the company had a data security breach from may of last year until this past january. credit and debit card info about 3 million customers could have been compromised. the hack affected about 7% of store transactions during that time. i'm going to have to go back through my own records to see if i was getting crafty. >> another reason why i'm not crafty. just kidding. >> got to pay attention. you do not know who has your information these days. >> it comes to light months later. >> true. >> delay gets you. >> most people have thrown out their receipts. >> right? >> the one piece of good news so far this morning. >> yes. >> mickey's back. >> it's on friday, too. i planned that well. >> you made the friday even better. coming up next on "new day,"

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welcome back. right now the unmanned sub known as the bluefin-21 is back under water looking for signs of flight 370. malaysia wants more of those unmanned subs and other equipment to speed up the search. now, that's good, but there may be bad news that goes along with it. let's bring in two experts to help us out. david gallo and david soucie here with us. great to have you both. what would be the bad news? david, the bad news would be that the reason they need more is they may expand the search again. is that bad news? >> well, it is in that because of the fact they need more, where they only had one because they were real sure about where it was, that's the only thing they need it to be able to prove that theory. we're not done with that yet,

remember. there's still time. there's still time to find it in that area. if they need more, indicates that they've exhausted that search and now they're going to have to a much bigger, broader search. >> david gallo, the power of perspective from what you dealt with with 447. there's a lot of pressure on these guys to find something down there. too much pressure? does it take time? is it unrealistic to think they would have found something by now? >> yeah. chris, one of things we did with air france 447 was insulate the team at sea from all this pressure. the last thing you need is outside criticism. they know what they need to get done. they're getting mission after mission. so everything from their perspective is going -- we need some patience on our end. >> you taught me something about your search that i did not know before. we always say, hey, you have to be patient. it took air france two years, you know, in that search to find it. but more importantly, david, explain the fact that during those two years, there were only ten weeks of searching and it

seech seems to suggest that you guys were given time to think about where to search, how to search, and what makes sense. whereas here, they're pushed to keep going week after week. >> chris, this is what the french were up against in the early days, just like that. early days of air france 447 as they were out there without the opportunity, the luxury of sitting back thinking about the data. the important thing is not only the tools and the team but also the plan. and we had time to come up with a solid plan and put the right team together. >> sometimes action is not progress. you know, when it's forced napts what we have to be careful about in this situation. david, inmarsat, the company reading the radar, helping with the analysis, they say we're going to provide fre services after this. could cost them 10, $15 million in reknview. that's good, right? >> it's good that that service is available and will be there. but this is a very tight knit thing to be able to do air traffic control. that's why next gen was created

and supported by congress because it's a system that has to work together. it's important that not only that it's there but it integrates with the existing traffic control systems. i'm concerned about having a knee-jerk reaction. it's tough when you throw in another party there wasn't there before without planning. i worked on next gen for seven or eight years before it game real. >> so logistically it could be an issue. my concern is, this isn't really what i want to hear. i want to hear that the black box is going to be put in these inflatable -- these emerging units like you have in the military plans. i want to hear that you have gps locating capabilities on your plane like i have in my car. why aren't we hearing that? >> this is a concern. if this is a band-aid and it puts off the pressure and says, oh, well, we've gatt that handled now, where is the pressure to do things we are talking about, flotation, black boxes, streaming data. those are better solutions that

provide much more information, much more quickly about what went on in the aircraft. i hope it's not viewed as a fix. it's simply a band-aid on a big symptom out there. >> david, is that a fair point of concern going forward? that's one thing we know for sure in a situation that's pure mystery. you have to make a plane completely trackable at all times no matter what? right? >> yeah, the last thing you want to do is have a plane go into the water and not sure where t it is. that's a huge area under sea. you don't want to lose a plane in the water. >> now, when prime minister tony abbott said they may stop searching at the end of the week to re-evaluate. the malaysians saying they need to regroup. to david's point we were making earlier about being fair to the process here, is it important for people at home to know you have to give time to do this the right way, otherwise you're going to see just frustration for the families? >> absolutely. in investigations that i've done

and the others that i've observed, the strategy, start with a strategy and you follow that out and try to prove these unknowns, you try to improve your confidence with every piece of fact that you have so you count on those facts through the chain. you build this chain. it's a delicate chain because in this case we don't have a lot of high confidence links in that chain. so it's very delicate. so when you talk about this last chain, i'm a little concerned because we've got this last chain. it goes away. then everybody says, oh, it's all nor naught. we're back to square one, we're not. the chains have been built over time. most have been tested. some may be needed to be looked at again that were further up in the chain. but we want to be careful to say this last chain link didn't work out so we've got to tear it all apart and start over again. >> one quick point for you, david gallo, before we go. you know, i'm very against speculation here. i want to just test what comes out of the investigation. one here's one piece of speculation. people are starring to talk about the money of what this

costs and now it's up to $230 million, who is going to pay for it. my speculation is if those had been 239 americans on the plane, nobody would be talking about what it costs, at least in this country. is the cost of an operation like this a relevant consideration, david? >> of course. everything comes down to money. it's a relative consideration. but there's no option here. we need to find that aircraft at any cost. it's got to be found for the sake of the families, for flying public, and for the aerospace industry. >> and i think that's a perfect way to put it. you have a triple layer of concern. the families deserve the dignity of knowing what happened. and in a post 9/11 environment to the extent the u.s. is involved here, you cannot have an airplane that can just go missing. >> right. >> it's just unacceptable in this day and age. david gallo, david soucie, thank you very much. kate? coming up next on "new day," the sunken ferry in south korea now completely under water with hundreds of people still unaccounted for. it is a race against time, clearly. will divers be able to find any

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welcome back to "new day." let's give you a look at your headlines. two divers briefly entered the sapp si capsized ferry. air is being pumped into the ship to try and keep any possible survivors trapped inside alive. the death toll is expected to rise. we have learned a vice principal

rescued from the ferry has been found hanged. 270 people remain missing. many of them high school students. the self proclaimed leader of pro-russian groups in eastern ukraine is rejecting an international deal to stop the tense standoff between the government and pro-russian protesters saying his supporters won't leave government buildings unless kiev's government leaves power. despite calls that both sides stand down and give up arms. we are now hearing the chilling 911 calls from that bus crash that injured dozens and left ten people including five students dead last week. one student who escaped moments before the bus exploded into flames described strug -- struggled to describe the scene. >> what's your name? are you still on the bus or are you off the bus at this point? >> i'm off the bus. the bus is on fire. >> i understand that. are you away from it? are you still on it? >> we're getting away from the bus, actual hly. >> okay.

go as far away as you can safely get, okay >> okay. okay. what did the bus hit? >> what? >> what did the bus hit? >> it hit a -- i guess the left side. it hit the -- the -- the -- >> sir, can you just -- with one or two words, tell me what the bus hit. >> the bus hit a fedex truck. the fedex truck ran into us. >> investigators returned to the scene north of sacramento trying to reconstruct parts of that deadly collision. a potentially big advance in the use op stem cells. scientists have for first time cloned cells from two adults. the largest goal is to match stem cells with person's dna in order to treat diseases including heart disease and blindness. these developments are expected to spark a new round of ethical questions about whether human cells should be cloned.

those are your headlines, guys? >> thanks so much. we have big news coming from the house of clinton. chelsea clinton expecting her first child later this year. she made this surprise announcement at a clinton foundation event in new york sitting right beside the former secretary of state, now expectant grandmother, hillary clinton. so will the news affect her decision to seek another title? let's go to brianna keilar in washington with much more. first and foremost, the announcement is more important than any presidential announceme announcement. can we agree with that? >> i completely agree with you on that, kate. and it's so exciting to kind of cover a political story like this, or of a feel good one, right? so in october chelsea actually told "glamour" magazine she and her husband had decided that 2014 was the year of the baby. so this wasn't completely unexpected. but i tell you, it sure kuth a lot of folks by surprise. >> chelsea clinton dropping a bombshell at a clinton foundation event in new york. >> mrk and i are very excited that we have our first child arriving later this year.

and -- >> reporter: and so are chelsea's parents. my most exciting title yet, grandmother to be, tweeted hillary clinton. bill clinton said, excited to add a new line to my litter bio,grandfather to be. perhaps they should have said, it's about time. after all, they've been dropping hints for years now. just months after chelsea and marc's 2010 wedding. >> i'd like to be a grandfather. i have nothing to do with that achievement but i would like it. >> reporter: this in january. >> i really -- i really can't wait, to be honest. >> reporter: and just last month. >> you and the president will have another child, any more children? >> well, no, but i wouldn't mind -- i wouldn't mind one of those grandchildren that i hear so much about. >> reporter: as chelsea gets ready for motherhood, political circles are buzzing ability how this might affect a potential hillary clinton run for president in 2016. in september, cbs news' charlie

rose asked the former president this -- >> do you think she would rather be, today, she can do both, president or grandmother? >> if you ask her, i think she would say grandmother. >> reporter: but many close to hillary clinton say it's not a neither/or and that having a grandchild just might make the legacy as the first female president that much more alluring. >> and one day i hope to take my grandchildren to visit israel to see this country that i care so much about. >> reporter: a trip that would be even more special if she's in the white house. but first things first. planning for baby's arrival this fall. >> i just hope that i will be as good a mom to my child and hopefully children, as my mom was to me. >> baby is expected this fall, kate. no word on exactly when or if it's a boy or a girl. but either way, no more not so subtle hints from grandma and grandpa clinton. >> i remember, brianna, right when she was talking about leaving the state department

that was the one thing on the priority list, all of her aides whenever we talked to them, she needs a grandchild, she needs a grandchild. >> let me tell you i could have made like a seven-minute piece of all the hints that they dropped. i had to cut a ton of stuff out because they just over and over would say, we want a grandkid. >> that's right. as well they deserve. very exciting news. it's nice to cover a happy political news, right? >> sure is. >> thanks, brianna. and this all does come at the same time hillary clinton has announced the title of her very new book. it's called "hard choices." that is just being announced and covers her time as secretary of state. so that's to look forward to, too. >> as opposed to her decision to run for president which is an obvious choice. she has to run. >> is that -- does that go under the category of hard choices. >> she will be holding the baby, grandma, running with the baby. i'm much more excited about your baby, by the way. >> thank you. >> i'm all about the balduan baby and good weather. easter weekend coming. it's got to be good. i got to get plants in the

ground. >> susie homemaker over here. >> babies and planting. >> bring good news. the season of rebirth and renewal. >> yeah. it's a good thing. here's what we're talking about. temperatures are rebounding. it is still cold but it's going to be changing very quickly. hello, just in time for the weekend. but none the less, today east coast, ten degrees below normal. look at the difference. by tomorrow, talking about above average. who doesn't love the 70s. d.c. are hitting the 70 mark. notice here still cold though, that's out towards the southeast atlanta. 13 degrees below normal. also a reason for this. let's talk about where the real weather is this weekend. we talk about the gulf. we see a wave of energy. you see it pull up this moisture. look at this blow up. that warm humid air is perfect for thunderstorms and unfortunately that's where we're looking at heavy ams of rain and flooding through the next several days. charleston and tallahassee. keep in mind it has already been a rainy season, seeing three to six inches in the southeast. that is not good news.

we're halfway through april and several inches over the average. we're going to be adding more to this. the flooding concerns there are going to be high. so what do we care about easter, right? let's watch the storm. don't worry, it's going to move offshore. the actual coastline and maybe a 20% chance of wisconsin back through texas for tiny pop-up thunderstorms. most of you are going to be dry. it's going to be beautiful. temperatures around average. maybe a little soggy on the grass on the southeast but at least the rain for the most part kicking out of here. for once, that's all good. >> for once, there, just drop the mike. that's when you drop the mike, indra. coming up next on "new day," another day passes with no sign of wreckage for malaysia airlines flight 370. if nothing is found in the coming days, the search area could multiply 20 times over. what are the difficulties ahead? we're going to show you. [ garner ] there's a lot of beautiful makeup out there

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welcome back to "new day." six weeks into the search for flight 370, malaysia now considering putting more assets in the water to assist. and also australian authorities suggesting their best leads may be exhausted within a week or so. so what is the backup plan for investigators if the bluefin-21

doesn't find anything? let's talk about it with david soucie back with us. david, let's first talk about where we are now and then where we could be if they decide to go on to a different phase. >> right. >> the focus of the search, where is the pings were located, our yellow dot. >> right. >> so let's throw out that animation of where the pings are and also then the search area around it and where the "ocean shield" is focusing. it's a relatively small area compared to what we were looking at. it's about 500 square miles. >> right. right. >> how long, first off, do you think they should be continuing to search that area? they've only searched a fraction of it so far. >> they have. and what we've got back so far from what they search sed a couple of pieces of good information about what kind of ground we're looking at searching. how much silt is there, how many rocks are there. from that you can say if there's something manmade in there it's going to be identifiable pretty easily. so that's a good piece of information. but yet, to continue that out, they're saying about a week, by then they will have covered an area to be able to say it's not

here or it is here. >> you do wonder when time is an issue, you know, you've got a lot of resources at play here. when does the law of diminishing returns kick in in this one area? >> this is the most prevalent lead and we've been saying that all along. following the most prevalent lead in a chain of events. and so this has got it down to that. i'm still very confident because of the pings that they will find something there. it's just that at some point you have to say we looked at it and they won't say we've looked at it until they've completed all of it. the diminishing returns come in after they've exhausted that complete area. >> so when we hit that point and they get to the point where they say we want to regroup as the australian prime minister said, at some point we will get there, suggesting it might be in a week. what are the rupgss to plan b? one that is discussed is expanding the search area, pretty dramatically. >> very dramatically. >> we're talking about we started with 500 square miles of where we were focused. and then talking about an area 370 square miles by 30 -- 370 miles by 30 miles which is about

11,000 square miles. >> that's right. >> which is helping me put that all into context and give it some perspective that is like talking about the state of massachusetts is a bigger area and the area we're searching now, just a fraction. >> small sliver of it, that's all it is. >> of the state. >> right. >> how do you begin that search? that sure seems to be initiated like a big step backward. >> well, and it is. it's a huge step -- a huge hit to this investigation. and you can tell that they are thinking about that because they're talking about bringing in more auvs. when they first starred the admission they said we need one because they were going for a pinpoint. they had the target and they knew where they were going to go and that's all all they needed was one. now if they expand to 11,000, i don't know if we have enough auv toss cover that. it's an enormous area. >> do you have any guess what the timing would be in cover that? we are entering winter at some point so it's going to stop. >> especially on these regions down in here where it's going to get very cold.

it's going to be a problem for the winter. it's a challenge already. you can tell we've had three or four missions -- four missions now. two of them were called back because of problems that they had which were to be expected. but if you multiply that times three or four auvs out there you're going to have the same kind of difficulty. >> is there another option for a plan b to reassess and take on another targeted area that maybe is the second best lead? instead of expanding it so -- by so much? >> remember, we talk about this being a chain of events. the chain of assumptions and a chain of calculations. >> from the very beginning. >> all of the way from the beginning. and we talked a little bit about a white sheet planning. what white sheet planning does is take you right back to the beginning and rechallenge all the assumptions. you go back to that step, at that point i would also go back and check to see how much confidence you have from the malaysian targets, from the turn that was made, to the inmarsat da data. remember, the inmarsat data is reliant on the fact they believe

on those radar shifts they had from up north. >> there is a lot of assumptions they have to work with because there's so little information. >> not a high level of confidence in any of those assumptions. in an investigation you want to have the highest level of confidence you can in each eye su assumption. >> with this in mind, when you talk about moving from the focused area to the larger area, the idea of that if they could move in that direction, do you think that suggests they are pessimistic about the search because you're still confident in this area. >> i am. and as are the searchers there, the people that i'm talking to that are there are still confident in those pings. they believe in them. they think that it's there. >> does it more speak to the fact that we're 40 days in and they're kind of getting beat up with questions constantly? >> probably. i'm a little confused about the prime minister's lack of con confidence in what's going on. it's almost like he's hedging a bet. i'm confused about that because the people i'm talking to there looking for the ship, looking for the airplane, they're still

confident they're going to find it out there and confident in the fact they were, indeed, pings from the aircraft. >> they deserve the benefit of the fact and the fact that they are the ones who know the most so we need to give them that time. >> let's let them finish it out. >> and they're only a fraction of the way there. david, always great to see you. thank you so much. chris? >> kate, we're going to take a break here. when we come back, the depth of the search is nothing compared to the depth of the pain and frustration that people with loved ones on flight 370 are still feeling. coming up, a plea from a man who spent nearly seven weeks wondering what happened to his mom. plus, the latest on divers efforts inside that sunken ship. hundreds are missing. many are teens. we'll get the latest for you. em] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day

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welcome back. as the search for flight 370 moves into its seventh week now, family members of passengers and crew are left with even more pain and uncertainty and certainly more questions. one of those family members was kind enough to join us this morning. steve wang, his mother was on board flight 370. steve, thank you so much for joining us. i want to ask how you and the other family members are doing. >> well, we are still wait for the -- for the truth, for this couple of days. the question is quite simple, that what happens to the plan and what happens with our loved

ones, that is what we have to every day. >> yeah, every day, and i imagine that wait is ak gone nizing for you. we understand that this week there is to be a teleconference between malaysian authorities and some of the family members but that was interrupted. the link somehow didn't work and family members stormed out of the meeting. give us a sense of the emotion that was in the room that day. >> well, you know, we request and they promised that there will be a meeting. we will have the meeting every five days. and after that, they finally accepted. we had a videoconference. but the conference will be held at the park. but they haven't said that before. you know, there is usually a meeting set up half an hour earlier. you know, even earlier, like one hour. but they even didn't t set up the computer. and they just take 20 minutes

for the system but it still doesn't work. so that is not -- that shows that they don't have the sincere about helping us to have the communication, i think. >> i hear the frustration in your voice. you and the family members are not feeling trust right now towards the authorities or the airline right now, are you? >> we yes, of course, definitely. from the first day to now, they never tell us any truths. that is most important thing. and, you know, we ask several question, only technical questions. it is not blaming or something like that, like the member from the black box. all their answer when we ask ten questions, seven or eight answers is that it is under investigation. and the rest is i don't know. so we are really doubt that whether they can't answer the question or they do not want to answer the question. >> you and a group of other family members have come together, alluding to the

questions you presented, the malaysian investigators, a list of 26 questions. so you have not received any answers to those questions beyond this is part of an ongoing investigation? >> yeah, there are no official answers to these questions, to now we have ask it for more than ten dayses. >> what is the most important question you want answered, steve? >> well, many. there are some key points. the first is that the voice record from the tower and -- the tower and the plane. they have give us a taeext reco but they refuse to give us a voice record. why? it is secret. you give a text to us but you didn't so that's the question why you didn't give us a voice. and the other is that mainly about the elt, why it doesn't work. it should be the most important system on the plane when it had an accident. >> we understand malaysian

airline officials are pecked to fly to beijing to meet with you and some of the other family members. aside from answering some of those questions, what are you hoping to hear from them? the truth, the answer instead of it is still under investigation. if it is under investigation you should give us a reason why you cannot give it to us. we are all reasonable people. if it is -- we would rather have bad influence to the investigation, we will not ask such kind of questions. but, you know, you cannot use that word just as excuse. >> we understand that the australian prime minister tony abbott has said the search, may they have to regroup if they do not find anything in the next few days. how do you feel about the search efforts right now? aside from the investigation, talk about the search efforts, how do you feel about that australian-led effort?

>> well, we really appreciate that they are -- for their help and for the help of the whole world. but we think that the underwater search is very important but we should also send planes and ships to find if someone was under the sea. >> steve wang, we send you our best thoughts and prayers to you and the other family members. we hope you get answers very soon. thank you very much for joining us on "new day." >> thank you. thank you. >> chris, kate? >> all right, thanks for that. there's a lo of news to get to this morning including the latest for the search of survivors on the sunken ship. concerning developments in the hunt for flight 370 as well. a lot of other news. let's get to it. divers in south korea have finally made their way into the ship's hull. >> there could very well be air pockets and people have been known to survive. >> even if the result is tragedy, i want to hear the truth.

>> the hunt for flight 370 missing now for 42 days. >> no objects of interest found in anything. >> if anything is to be found on the surface, they will find it. >> antisemitic fliers demanding jus register. >> this is not just intolerable, it's grotesque. >> good morning. welcome back to "new day." it is good friday, april 18th. 7:00 in the east. the ship is now completely under water, making the rescue effort even more urgent. and the pain of this situation is taking its toll. we just learned a vice principal rescued from the ship has apparently hanged hymn. he was found near where the families are gathering. the latest on the search is that divers still looking for some 270 people, many of them high school students. managed to get to the boat's second deck but rough waters forced them back out. international correspondent paula hancocks is in jindo, south korea.

paula? >> chris, we have understood the divers did get to the second floor but they didn't find anything at all. they did manage to secure a guideline to that area which will help the future divers trying to get to the third floor and cafeteria area which at one point was considered important. the hope was there was going to be an air pocket there. as you say the boat is now under water. we do know that the search and rescue operation has managed to pump some oxygen inside the ship. now, the reasoning behind this, they say, is just in case there are survivors stuck in an air pocket, they want to make sure they have enough air in there. but the weather is still not cooperating. the seas are rough. the winds are high. that is making things extremely difficult for these divers to try and be able to infiltrate exactly where they need get to. the death toll is at 28. the deputy principal from the school, one of those rescued from the ship itself, does, it

appears, have committed suicide. it's uh-uh der investigation at this point but this happened just in the last few hours. so another tragedy to add to this tragedy. third night in a row that these parents behind me are sitting on the harbor, sitting by the water's edge, looking out to sea, praying that their children are okay. kate, back to you. >> you can only imagine that wait is beyond excruciating. paula hancocks, thank you for bringing us updates. let's turn now to the search for malaysia flight 370. malaysia -- the malaysian government is looking at the possibility of including more underwater assets in the search. this comes as the bluefin-21 is back in the water right now on its fifth mission. but so far, no signs of any wreckage. cnn's erin mclaughlin is live in perth, australia, six weeks after the plane disappeared, with the latest on the search. erin? >> good morning, kate. that's right, malaysia's acting transportation minister this morning tweeting out that

they're exploring the possibility of deploying more underwater autonomous vehicles to help with this search. meanwhile, overnight, the bluefin-21 exploring new depths. it traveled some 4.7 kilometers underneath the ocean's surface. previously thought it could only travel 4.5. now, it's very important that it's able to go into deeper t waters. you may remember it had cut its first mission short. this is really critical area. it's the area they believe that most likely find the black box based on that very detailed acoustic analysis of pings. so it's a good sign it was able to go deeper into the waters overnight as part of that fourth dive. but after four complete missions, no signs, as far as we know, of missing malaysian flight 370. tony abbott, the australian prime minister, earlier quoted as saying that within the week they will have exhausted their more promising leads and then they will need to assess any

next steps. all eyes right now on the fifth mission as we understand, still under way. we'll bring you more information as we get it. kate? >> all right. erin, thank you very much for the latest on the search from perth, australia. let's bring in two ekxperts. david gallo, cnn analyst and former director of the air france -- search for air france flight 447 and david sow chucie former faa inspector. david gallo, let's start with where erin just left off. the fact that the australian prime minister suggesting that in a week they will have exhausted this part of the search. they will need to regroup and reconsider is how he is quoted as saying it. david, soucie and i was talking and he's confused by that bit of maybe pessimism. what do you make of the prime minister's comments? do you think that's an accurate timeline? >> well, i think the team that's out there now needs to bit more time. it's not clear to me whether they mean expanding the present

area so it's a larger search area? that makes sense to me. jump og other places hundreds of miles away is harder for me to understand why you do that. it's a lot more complicated. they're talking about -- remember, we talked about mowing the lawn. imagine having a bigger lawn but bringing in maybe ten different people to mow that lawn. it takes a lot of coordination or you wind up with a real mess on your hands. >> you can absolutely understand how that's possible. david soucie, so they are now open to the possibility of bringing in more underwater vehicles. what do you think has changed? they have yet to exhaust this part of the search. >> i think it's in preparation. i don't think that they've actually said send them now. that's at least my understanding of it. so i think it's letting us know there is a plan b, they don't want people thinking once it's ov over, it's over. because it's not. the search would continue. they want people to know if this is exhausted, if our plan doesn't work, we have a plan b. >> we know what the backup is. >> yeah.

>> david gallo, from your experience, how long does that process take? how long would it take them to be operational with more underwater vehicles? >> i would imagine if they're prepositioning, submarines right now and robots, mostly robots, so you're talking weeks to get them assembled. there's only really a handful of them but they're scattered around the world. >> and that, of course, you got to get them there. you've got to get them out to the search zone. you've got to get teams together to do that which kind of speaks to the cost that we have now begun to get an estimate of, the over-arching cost is going to be near a quarter of a billion dollars, is the estimate that's out there. it does make me wonder, it's interesting to know how much it costs, this entire search. do you think the cost of the search is going to impact the search, david soucie? >> i don't see that. every single person involved has just said we have to find it, we're t no going to stop, we're going to continue.

of course there has to be some kind of accountability and some way to keep track of the money spent. that number seems very high to me. >> does it? >> with other investigations, more like 50 to $70 million. in fact, air france wasn't anywhere near the $250 million figure they're talking about here. of course, we're talking about a larger search area. but i suspect what that figure includes is if they expand the search and have to go into these other areas. so i think we would find a number much smaller if we do indeed find something this week. >> does the cost of a search on this scale, david gallo, does it inhibit, does it prohibit, constrain the actual search while you're in the middle of it? >> you have been careful. you want to be very efficient at it. typically the way i think ant it, this is just roughly speaking, it's about a million dollars a month per shipper team. so that's about the way i look at it. and you can spend a lot more, but when it comes right down to it it should be one team, one

vehicle, one plan. and per ship and off you go. >> and off you go. if we have to move to a plan b, a backup plan, you come up with a moniker, one option is we discussed earlier on the show is expanding the search. it would be a big expansion of the search area. >> massive. >> now huge expansion. is there another option? why not retrace your steps? >> well, that, again, has to do with how much confidence they have and the case that they built so far. over-confidence can get you in trouble as well. in addition to backing off back to step plan b they should have another team look at the assumptions that they made all along and recalculate because these confidence factors that you put on fabs or assumption of facts can change based on other information that you get. so it's not just about the calculations like the inmarsat data calculations, it's also about the assumptions of what you do with those calculations and the assumptions you make to make the calculations. so if someone should be going all of the way back to a white sheet and saying, how do we

derive these conclusions that we have now. >> and you think of all of the conclusions and all the assumptions that have been made now in to day 42 on this search. that would be a lot of work to be done, once again, david soucie. >> david gallo, david soucie, thanks, guys. >> chris, michaela? let's shift to another urgent situation. the self proclaimed leader of the pro-russian groups is refusing an international deal that would stand them down. meanwhile, jewish residents in one city are still reeling from the demand that they register with the opposition. phil black is live in donetsk. is this some kind of very ugly political ploy going on as a tactic or seen as a legitimate threat? >> it does look political, chris. it all hangs on that ominous word, registration. it is such a sensitive issue in this country because ukraine is a country that suffered enormously during the nazi

occupation of world war ii. this letter has injected the fear of antisemitism into ukraine's crisis. the chief a rye at donetsk reads the text which says, all jews over the age of 16 must register their identities, reales state, and car ownership. he tells me the notice was handed out near his synagogue on tuesday by four men wearing masks. he says when he first saw it he felt shock and fear. america's ambassador to ukraine described his reaction to cnn's jack tapper. >> it's chilling. i was disgusted by these leaflets, especially in ukraine, a country that suffered so terribly under the nazis. it was one of the sites of the worst violence of the holocaust, to drag. this kind of rhetoric again is almost beyond belief. >> reporter: the notice is signed, dennis. the leader of the crowd's occupying government buildings in donetsk who want to break away from ukraine. he denies he's behind the

leaflet, telling cnn, it's a clear provocation. the notice says jews must register because they supported protesters in kiev who drove out the country's former president. ♪ rabbi says the jews of donetsk believe they are now being used in a wider political gain. he says the people who pray here are angry because those competing to control the future of the country are repeating the mistakes of history. it's not the first time the shadow of antisemitism has been raised in the ukrainian crisis. russia in particular repeatedly alleged they are a threat to people of nationalist in ukraine. jewish community is angry about all of this. they say this incredibly sensitive issue is repeatedly being used in a cynical, really tossed around in a very light way and used to try and achieve political goal. michaela, back to you. >> angry as they should be. phil black, thank you for that.

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welcome back to "new day." right now the bluefin-21 is back under water looking for any debris from flight 370. this is not easy. and unfortunately will get much harder the minute the bluefin actually spots something. joining us now to walk through just how tough the recovery operation could be is cnn correspondent martin savidge and submarine and salvage expert phil nugent. they are in a submarine 50 feet

under water showing us exactly what it is like. martin, please, take it away. describe your situation starting, of course, with the personal. are you doing okay, my man? >> well, yeah, it was a little bit more difficult this morning just acclimating myself. i'm in a good place now, thank you very much for asking. here we are at the bottom of horseshoe bay, british columbia. what we wanted to demonstrate to you today. phil is the expert. we showed how the black box can be gotten with the manipulator arm. essentially, phil, if this was caught in wreckage, in other words, if the black box or whatever they needed to retrieve from the aircraft was caught in wreckage, how you're talking about having to cut and either somehow pull apart the aircraft. >> that's correct. >> the problem is trying to cut your way into it.

trying to remove the debris around it. so you have to cut it or attach a jaw to it, something like a manipulator and rip it up from the surface or be able to do with it the arm. the whole thing depends on the position of the wreck and how much debris there isnd all of those things. and you won't know what you need until you see what that situation is. >> we got a couple of tools we can show you here, chris. one, if you look out, maybe through the forward, we can show you in two angles. the camera here, it may look like a 45 record. >> that's what it looks like. >> this is an abrasive metal cutting. >> it does look like it. i thought it was one of the bee gees, but, no, apparently not. >> it's a hydraulic power cutting wheel we can cut steel with. we can use the manipulator arm to move back and forth and cut steel oral lum nu aluminum as t may be here. like a circular saw. >> and then the other item we've kind of looking like an upturned

u. >> that's a guillotine cutter so that we can get in and cut wires or cut small cables. they come in various sizes. if you were going down to do this sort of work in that wreck you could be equipped with all of these tools. >> can you maneuver -- see that blade a little bit from a different angle here and maybe if ray can show it. so this essentiallily, would it be able to cut through an aircraft frame? >> oh, sure, yeah. with a big enough wheel, a big enough hydraulic motor, it would cut through the frame easily. >> one of the questions i had, why not use a torch, can they use anything like that under water? >> no, unfortunately the manipulators can't hold an arc for the cutting and so you're pretty much confined to mechanical cutting, that is the abrasive saws or diamond wires. there's a wire you can loop around it and actually spin it up and then there's a diamond bead on the wire that will cut

through. that's what they did with the -- >> martin, can you ask him to turn that on? >> chris? >> can you ask him to turn the cutting thing on? >> well, the thing is -- we have -- one of the cutting things we are going to show you next hour. this particular one right now is we're kind of hung on a rock. we're not in a position to do that. and then this is also realistically, some of the issues you can run into is when the submersible sets down, or rov, maybe it may be, the bottom itself can be a hazard. >> certainly. you we know, we're expecting that the bottom in that area will probably be very fine silt and very floury type bottom so as far as you sat down on it you immediately stir up a cloud of sediment and particularly when you're using down thrusters the sediment just rolls in. so you have to make your move quickly. do what you're going to do because the big dust cloud following you and then you have to sit and wait for it to settle down so you can see again. so it's a t matter of slow,

delicate steps, inch by inch, going through and cutting. >> real quickly before we have to go. once you go this, how do they plan to lift, say they have large sections of this aircraft? >> that's a good question. the manipulator arm can either on an rov or manned submersibls, can attach snaps, tongues, to the various sections and they can lift those to the surface by cable. >> jeff, jeff is the pilot, is there any way to give us a blast of propulsion again to kind of give you a sense of -- there are so many things that can co complicate and make a search and make a recovery effort down here difficult. now, we've already talked about, you know, ones aspect is it could be easy to get hung up on a rock. the other thing you should point out is navigating down here, it's not like you have a gps. you know, it's not like you've got too much of a map.

your biggest concern here, he's going to be navigating, using a sonar, right? >> sonar system so that -- the sonar system will tell if there's any major obstacles in the way. the other stuff will be visual. it will be a combination of operating by sonar and by visual through the ports or through a video camera. >> and the sonar is going to give you a range of about how far? >> well, if you're up off the bottom you can see probably 500 meter or so. when you're flat on the bottom it's going to be a very short range, something like five, ten meters. >> i think we were talking yesterday, chris, that, you know, probably 15 hours maybe they could spend either in an rov or something like this? >> yeah that would be a long shift. but certainly -- >> i'm not volunteering for that, just so you know. >> but you know, if you include the time up and down, that's half the time. if you get six or seven good hours on the bottom, that's a pretty good shift with an rov.

of course, the ro doesn't care how long it spends. then the problem becomes station keeping. how does the surface vessel supplying the power and the cabling to the rov. remember, it's tethered. how does it stay in position? if you use a dynamically positioned vessel and it has to hold station and that's sometimes very difficult. >> martin? >> look, we're going to keep coming to you as much as you can tolerate down there so we can get these different dynamics because they're all going to become familiar hopefully if anything is found. let me ask you something that's incensensitiv insensitive. for these people stuck in this tube under water for so long, what kind of facilities do you have in there? is there a head? i'm sure they have food and water. what do you do there when you're 20,000 leagues under the sea with all that t water around with the power of suggestion? >> chris is asking me, it's a very good point. human beings. and it may be rovs but could also be humans that go down. for that length of time when

nature calls, there is no lavatory. there is no facilities here. barely enough room for the four of us. so i think it's a acrobatics with -- >> we have our mission range extender which is an empty plastic bottle. sometimes we take down some plastic bottle, apple juice, to drink. and pass the apple juice through you to the mission range extender which is nothing more than a big plastic bottle. >> don't worry. no demonstrations of that, just so you know. >> well, martin, thank you very much. it really is helpful to see what will happen in the next phase. and i know it's coming. it's significant personal sacrifice to you. i appreciate it, my brother. thank you for doing it. >> you're welcome. the fascination overrules the clausterphobia. >> i have a feeling i'm going to be paying for martin to eat and drink for a very long time when i see him going forward because

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headlines. arrest warrant issued for the captain of the south korean ferry that capsized and is now completely under water. divers managed briefly to get inside but rough waters forced them out. air is being pumped into the ship to tried and keep any possible survivors alive. the confirmed death toll right now is 27 and it is expected to rise. new this morning. malaysians are looking for more underwater equipment to aid in the search for flight 370. unmanned sub is scanning the t t wares in the indian ocean right now for signs of the jetliner. this is the fifth mission for bluefin-21. the first four turned up nothing. as you recall, the plane went missing some six weeks ago. a self-proclaimed separatist leader is rejecting an international deal to ease tensions between the government and pro-russian proes ters saying his men won't leave occupied government buildings until kiev's government leaves power. that a day after jewish residents in one city were given leaflets demanding they register

themselves and pay a fee or face deportation. echos of the 1940s right the there. terrible. >> terrible. especially if it is a political ploy, as they believe it to be. >> exactly. >> shows us how ugly that situation snchts politics here, always ugly. bracelets get in. >> i thought you meant me. >> i did, too. i was waiting for it. >> no, you are handsome and intelligent. >> tgif. congratulations, more on that in a moment. let's go inside politics. with me to share than reporting is the atlanta cnn's peter h hanby. let's start with the clinton news this morning. well, the second biggest clinton news. we know this morning now the title of her book. "hard choices." that will be the book detailing her role as secretary of state, molly. "hard choices" at the state department and could be a campaign slogan, couldn't it? >> absolutely. i think it's inevitable that any book that hillary clinton was go to write was going to be seen as

a campaign book but it's clearly branded as something less of a personal memoir and more of a similar to the profile that she carved out in the '08 campaign, she's a fighter, she knows how to do things that are difficult. implicitly the same message she campaigned against barack obama, that it's not this easy to govern or to be president. that you've got to do things that are tough. >> but we've seen from republicans in recent months wli it's benghazi, iran, john kerry to the palestinians to the table. republicans are saying if she runs, they won't be afraid to say what did you accomplish? >> what's interesting there's a new photo, you saw that they rolled out. simon & schuster. there's also a new blurb about the book. might be i'm too cynical but it says, when she took office as secretary of state she and president obama made these hard decisions in iran, russia, et cetera. so you know, she can sort of shift some of that blame perhaps to the unpopular decisions that

the administration made, you know, with president obama. >> would never say that on here. the book is due out in june. also learned yesterday a couple of months after the book comes out, right after the book tour, hillary clinton gets this gift. >> marc and i are very excited that we have our first child arriving later this year. and i certainly feel all the better, whether it's a girl or a boy, that she or he will grow up in a world full of so many strong, young female leaders. >> congratulations and best wishes, first and foremost, to chelsea clinton and her husband marc. does this matter at all to hillary clinton's calculation of run for president? she will be a grandmother. is that a plus, a minus, a neutral? >> i have no idea. i think it's insane to speculate on like what this means for a clinton campaign. obviously her personal life is a big part of her calculation about whether she chooses to run for president. i have no idea which way this trips the scales. i think it's kind of silly to see this as a political sorry.

>> good. we have the president, peter, it's hard not to call this an end zone dance. the president came into the briefing room yesterday to announce last week there were over 7 million. now the president says they've reached 8 million enrollees in obamacare. the young percentage was higher than many anticipated. listen to the president here. this essentially is the president trying to tell fellow democrats, get out of the crouch. start bragging. >> i don't think we should apologize for it. i don't think we should be defensive about it. i think there is a strong, good, right story to tell. >> will democrats, peter t, in the states the president lost where they democrats are run for re-election, mark prior from arkansas, mary landrieu from louisiana, will they heed that advice? >> they aren't yet. changing the subjects to things they are comfortable talking about. louisiana, you mentioned, landrieu likes to talk about energy. i was in virginia this week.

obama won the state but mark werner has a challenge this year. i watched him campaign at the planking, a famous old tradition of virginia politics. very republican leaning. many people came up to me afterward why did you vote for that bill? warner's response to them was, i did, but i've outlined several fixes to it. he was pretty adept at pivoting and moving away. he talked to reporters afterwards and we asked him, what are you going to run on from your senate record this year? and he brought up a number of things. his work with the gangs, his efforts to pass, you know, legislation on debt, inf infrastructure. he did not talk about health care. he wanted to talk about more of his record as governor rather than senator. >> if you look at elections as trial. if you don't mount a defense, you lose. and many democrats won't mount a defense, won't say, okay, it's not perfect. as he just said mark warner s d said. why don't a democratic super pac

say, look, we have some plusses here. republicans can reput what the president just said but they have plenty of work with now if they want to cut a political ad. it is working. >> i believe there is an outside group in alaska that is running an ad that has someone who has benefited from obamawear. but there hasn't been a lot of efforts along those lines. you have the president not really saying anything me hasn't said before about the ways he sees the law as being successful but with a newly aggressive tone and trying to set the tone for democrats but then, you know, in a lot of these red states where democrats may be trying to separate themselves from the president, i don't think it's at all clear if they will follow his lead or keep trying to change the subject. >> they can't pretend they're not democrats and they didn't take these votes. it's going to be really tough. >> how significant is it, the president in response to a question at that briefing yesterday talking a health care, wouldn't give the specifics. he seemed to confirm leaks out of the white house that relatively soon they will have a new policy about an issue that

has tru frustrated the latino community. how significant is that that the president seems willing now to use executive power to change that policy? >> i think this is potentially huge. immigration advocates have been pressuring the white house for a year now or more to take executive action if immigration reform doesn't pass congress. it now looks like it's not going to pass congress. and there has been increasing pressure on the white house to do something and they've consistently said no, that's out of the question. we're not going to do that. obama now saying he's going to take another look at it and that may signal that there's going to be a change in deportation policy. we don't know how sweeping it might be but the fact they're considering it i think is a big deal. >> as cynics will say, peter, using executive power to try to get up election turnout. >> in 2012 he said he would stop deporting so-called dreamers in the campaign and. it also frustrating the obama white house, yes, the deportation policy has angered

immigration advocates but they have deportations have come down per year. they've stopped some unpopular bush administrations, worksite raids. they want to telegraph to the activist community, the immigration advocate community, that they are doing things. >> let's quickly close. harry reid is the senate majority leader and senior senator from the state of nevada. there's been a confrontation. a rancher refuses to pay taxes, fees to the federal government because he doesn't recognize the bureau of land management's right to charge him for grazing his cattle on that land. there have been om big confrontations. the government backed off after some supporters of mr. bundy came out with weapons and the children and the like. harry reid characterizes s whae thinks of those people yesterday. >> these people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. they're nothing more than domestic terrorists. we live in a country that people follow the law and what went up there was not very good.

i repeat, what went on up there is domestic terrorism. >> it will be interesting to watch this one going forward in harry reid's campaign. i understand the questions that government official has a this conduct but to label people who live in your state domestic terrorists is an interesting one for harry reid. as i get back to new york, here's the question. here's the question. 2052 by my math will be the first p shul election in which the clinton baby is eligible. >> oh, my gosh. >> will that baby -- can cuomo and i come out of retirement to commence the debates in iowa? >> i don't know. yes. you will. and then obviously you guys will be rooting for the right team, which will be the balduan team. obviously. ly say, john king, the fall is a wonderful time to have a baby in 2014. congratulations to chelsea. >> congratulations to chelsea. but both of you might have to wait. jonah king will be in his first term of election.

>> jonah king is a strong name. >> very fine in any book. >> by the way there, j.k., k.b. is on her second box of doughnuts. >> this is such a lie. he's being mean. >> second box. >> he's never mean. >> and lost a finger this morning. got to be a little quicker on the draw around the doughnuts. >> please. have a good friday, john, because mine started off great until he started talking. >> it was good. moving on. >> yes, please. >> coming you on "new day," with flight 370 still nowhere to be found, many are asking but we heard the pings, right? so is it possible they weren't pings? and if so, what were they? we'll take a look. a year ago today the community in boston paralyzed by the massive manhunt for the marathon bombing suspects. this morning a firsthand account of how that manhunt played out. (dad) just feather it out. that's right.

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>> exactly. >> all right. so some of the things we know. ping, the four ping signals detected, the first two were the longest. let me draw in here. this one here, two hours 20 minutes. this one here, ping number two was 13 minutes. the strongest, what does that indicate to you? >> well, that it's consistent signal which gives us some confidence in the fact that we're close. and the amplitude was varying a little bit during this 2 hours and 20 minutes but i don't think they lost signal. it was a continuous reception, which really tells us that this is an area that we should be searching and, in fact, this is the area that we are searching. >> right. what would you attribute the variance in the amplitude to? >> flow of water, other obstructions, any number of undersea currents, and so on. >> you're confident that these

pings are from the black box. tell me why. >> i believe so. because it's not just reception of a radio station but it's like reception of a radio station where they're broadcasting specific tones. these tones -- >> at one-second intervals, correct? >> that's right. and that can be measured to precision of, say, 1/10,000 of a second. so we know when we get something that is that periodic -- >> because there's nothing else in nature that would make that sort of frequent sound with regularity. >> no, not without the fish or sea life becoming very, very tired. >> right. >> over that period of time. >> so we want to look at this here a little bit because with -- we can look at the frequency area. we know the ocean depth is about 2.8 miles where they're looking. >> right. >> and the pinger broadcast radius you say is about three miles, correct? >> that's manufacturer's spec.

>> so does it seem reasonable that the towed pinger locator would function outside of this three-mile raid usius? >> well, it doesn't stop just abruptly. it tapers offer as if you're in a car approaching or leaving a city and you are listening to, say, an am broadcast. >> you hear it faintly and it gets stronger the closer you get to it. >> and then it fades out when you leave the city. in the same way, when this gets closer there will be faint signals, it will get stronger and then it will fade out. this is why we use different algorithms to enhance the rec reception to see whether we have a pinger. and there are ways to prefilter what you're listening to so that when you do hearing in you know that is the pinger. >> so does it surprise you that

they haven't found anything yet? >> no. >> why is that? >> we're looking -- as i said before, we're looking for something like a nickel in yankee stadium. >> in the dark. >> exactly. exactly. they have to be very careful as far as their radius, how wide their swath is that they're looking. >> their search. >> and come back and overlap it a little bit so they don't miss anything. >> one of the things that you've also said is that you think that in order to les if these pings are acoustically matching the ones on the plane you say that they should really take this -- they could take and test this technology in realtime, correct? >> yes. and, in fact, i've done some research and they have done that. and they have done an extensive testing and doing examples of different depths, different oceans and so on, to see what

the actual received signal looks like, how it's different from what the pinger actually puts out and how it's affected by the water, the temperature, all of the factors that enter into reception at the receiving end. >> we're in, as you said, pinger land right now. your job will also be very important, very key, acoustic engineer, once, if and when that black box is found because then you can listen to the sounds that are coming from the data recorder. >> exactly. we want to be in recovery, retrieval, download, and analysis land. >> yeah. >> and we all hope -- >> hopefully the next phase. >> absolutely. >> thank you, mr. ginsberg, a pleasure to work with you. coming up next on "new day," the manhunt for the boston marathon bombers captivated the nation. coming up next, dramatic firsthand account of the search one year later. and tune in this sunday 9:00

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it was one year ago that we first saw the suspects of the boston marathon bombings. boston locked down, also terrifying a nearby community. it ended with the death of one

suspect and capture of his younger brother. this morning we have a new firsthand account of the investigation from start to finish. cnn's deborah feyerick has that for us. >> good morning. everybody has such vivid memories of that manhunt, personal stories of how it all played out, the race to find evidence, even reconstruct the bomb, rebuild the bomb. two of fbi's top people sat down to discuss the key moments of this investigation. the force of the two blasts 12 seconds apart said it all. >> what struck you about it? >> just the magnitude of it. it wasn't something small. it wasn't something insignificant. >> within minutes more than 1,000 police and federal law enforce. agents would embark on the largest investigation andaman hunt of its kind in the united states. >> by the time you got to the

crime scene, this is what it looked like? >> it was a scene of utter devastation and carnage. there was evidence strewn all over the place. >> reporter: at fbi headquarters, chief of the national security branch stephanie douglas was keenly aware of the stakes. >> we had to be concerned that there were other bombs or other co-conspirators elsewhere outside of boston. >> reporter: authorities knew one killer was on the loose but where, what next? by tuesday investigators pieced together the pressure cooker bombs, identifying them as similar to those made in an al qaeda bomb making manual. >> we were collecting pieces of the pressure cooker bombs, pieces of backpacks used to contain the bombs. >> reporter: a major break in the case came less than 36 hours after the attack. >> a couple people from our counterer terrorism division came in with the laptop like this. they said we think we know who did it. >> of the more than 12,000

videos from businesses and marathon spectators, something unmistakable at the second blast site. >> you see a man in a white ball cap. the hat is turned around backwards, walking into the frame of the shot. >> he places that backpack down on the ground, sliding it off his shoulder. maybe 15 minutes later he makes a cell phone call. after that cell phone call concludes very shortly there after, you hear the first bomb go off farther down near the finish line. he glances quickly to the left but walks diligently and deliberately to the right about 15 to 20 seconds after he departs the view of the camera the second bomb goes off. >> that video has never been expected to be shown at trial in november. >> what does that suggest to you when this man took a cell phone call before walking away? >> that there was another conspirator. >> reporter: that co-conspirator was identified later that day,

another crucial lead. >> this video depicted the individual then called black hat walking with white hat down boylston street, both of them carrying black backpacks. >> reporter: it had been three full days, with the suspects still at large, a game changing decision. >> today we're enlisting the public's help to identify the suspects. >> reporter: for the tsarnaev brothers, things were about to unravel. >> how important was it for you and the bureau and everyone else involved in the investigation that the two suspects be taken alive? >> very, very important. >> reporter: but that's not what happened. >> they have explosives, some type of grenades, they're in between houses down here. shots fired. >> reporter: following an eight-minute fire fight in watertown, police wrestled a wounded tamerlan to the ground, his brother driving al an

alleged stolen car tried to free him. instead, police say, he ran him over. tamerlan was fingerprinted and finally identified by name. brother dzhokhar was identified later in a boat. he was less than .2 mile from where he abandoned his vehicle. >> we didn't know if he had bombs on him, weapons on him. >> reporter: dzhokhar tsarnaev will stand trial in november. >> like everybody on the joint terrorism task force, even the boston pd they felt as though they had the weight of the world on their shoulders. they were so surprised that these two men had no game plan, that they thought they would actually blow up the marathon and simply get away with it. kate? >> you were pointing out, deb, talking about that eight-minute fire fight, that's unprecedented. >> unprecedented. a normal fire fight takes ten

seconds. during that fire fight, dzhokhar tsarnaev was hit. he was wounded when he drove his car up the street and he had seen that his brother was actually tackled on the ground. he aimed that car trying to disburse the police, instead he ran over his brother. that actually contributed to his brother's death as well. >> don't forget, before that they tried to take the gun of sean calier. he reassisted. that's how he was killed. >> all began to unravel. how many videos did they have to go through? >> 12,000. they were identified in the man in the white hat before they identified the man in the black hat. >> amazing investigative work. let's take a break on "new day." the latest on the search for survivors in the ship off south korea. hundreds of lives in the balance. now arrest warrants for the captain and two of his crew. a live report next.

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new this morning, an arrest warrant issued for the captain and two crew members of the south korean ferries that capsized. 268 people are still missing at this hour. as we've learned, a vice principal rescued from the ship has apparently hanged himself. many of the missing are believed to be his high school students. this morning rescue divers had to turn back after getting inside the ferry's second deck, but only for a very short time. cnn's paula hancocks is in jindo, south korea with the latest. paula? >> reporter: kate, new in to cnn, we just obtained the transcript between jeju traffic control and the ship itself. we heard the person on the island asked if there were any injured people. the person on the ship said it's impossible to confirm, the body of the ship is tilted. also saying containers in the

ship had fallen over. traffic control said please get on the life vests. the person on the ship said it's hard for people to move. this will be looked at very closely as some survivors say they were told not to move. there are fears of lost lives. this morning divers have finally made its way into the ship's hull. the shib now kon completely seb merged, the strong currents and murky water making rescue efforts impossible. rescuers this morning pumping oxygen into the ship in the hopes of pumping air to anyone inside who may be alive. but for desperate families waiting for answers, it's not enough. they're pleading with authorities to do more, releasing a statement saying, we are making this appeal with tears because we are so furious with the way the government is so handling this. this man is waiting for word on his 16-year-old nephew. >> even if how hard it is, how

difficult it is, how hard it is, i don't care. i want to hear the truth. >> reporter: new questions this morning. why, when the ship took 2 1/2 hours to capsize, were hundreds still trapped. the captain we now know was one of the first to be rescued while close to 300 passengers were told not to move. investigators now revealing that he was not at the helm at the time of the accident. his third officer was. i'm sorry, he says. i am at a loss for words. >> reporter: we know an arrest warrant has been issued for the captain and two other crew members. relatives here at the harbor in are asking why are they spending a third night sitting at the water wondering where their family is. >> joining us is maritime captain james staples. can you hear us okay? >> yes, i can. good morning.

>> i want to get clarification from you. is it true on ships of this size there are often flight recorders like the ones we're looking for in flight 370 where they'll tell us what was going on at the helm? >> generally we have a vdr, voice data recorder which will take all the data from the ship's particulars from the helm orders, from the commands. it also has the voice commands. so they should have that on board. i'm not sure if that vessel meets that criteria. >> i want to ask you if it makes sense what we're hearing about arrest warrants. we know the captain wasn't at the help. captains aren't required to be at the helm at all times. then we hear what was said in that transcript. what sense do you make of the situation? >> that's true. the captain is on the bridge 24 hours a day. he has a watch officer that stands different watches. there's usually a four-hour watch they'll be on. the captain is the overriding

administrator on board the vessel. he's the one to make sure everybody is doing their particular job that they do. it's not -- it's understandable he may not be there at that particular time when it happened, and the third officer was on duty. the helmsman would have been steering the vessel at that time. generally, as we see now, after an incident there usually are criminal warrants issued if there's negligence. >> obviously that become it is next question. is the decision you made or did not make rising to the level of a crime? here when you hear that people were told to stay in place, a lot of these people were teenagers, what do you make of that? >> absolutely correct. time was of the essence here in this situation. obviously they had a catastrophic event happen on that vessel and she took a major list. when this happened initially, they should have realized that there was no way they could have corrected the list with just the pumps alone. it sounds like they were having

cargo shifting. the captain should have made the initial command to evacuate that vessel as soon as possible and we probably wouldn't see the situation we're in right now of trying to rescue 300-odd people. >> captain, why isn't that hindsight seeing 20/20? when you know the timing of how things occurred here, can there be a suggestion that it was a close call? >> well, we could be. we have to also understand we don't know where the captain was at the time when the incident happened. he may have been called to the bridge immediately, so he's trying to get all the facts and figures as to what's going on, trying to get the assumption of what's happening with the vessel and then try to make a decision on top of that. he's probably talking to the chief engineer in the engine room, trying to get information from him. he's talking to the officer on the watch. he's getting a lot of information and trying to process this to try to make a very good decision. obviously it looks like his delay in the timing was poor,

and his decision making probably wasn't where it should have been. one of the things we try to do now is put people under high stress situations in a simulator-type atmosphere to see how they can react. we're finding out that people don't multitask as well as we thought they did. >> we're not sure that kind of testing was done in this situation is part of the scrutiny. another part of the scrutiny is related to the idea that the captain goes down with the ship, as antiquated a notion that may be. we know the captain and some of the crew were rescued. they left the ship not by lifeboat, but were found in the water. there is no reporting yet that anyone saw them leave which could suggest that they stayed on as long as they could. what do you make of that? >> absolutely. the captain's first obligation is for the safety of his crew and passengers. he should stay on board that vessel until he knows everybody is safely evacuated. another reason to stay on board the vessel is for val vag rights. for the captain to leave the

vessel in an early situation, it's not the way it should be done. we don't know if the coast guard demanded him to get off. they may have been alongside and told the captain he had to get off at that time. we're not sure what happened there. generally speaking the captain is the last person to get off that vessel. >> it's interesting. as unique as it seemed at the time, we're hearing echoes of the costa concordia, the italian ship. obviously that one hit a rock. we don't know here if this hit anything. issues with captain, issues with attention at the helm and what was done when. captain staples, thank you very much for the information this morning. kate? >> let's get now to the latest on the search for flight 370. malaysian officials are now looking to put more equipment possibly in the water to aid the search. they're hoping more unmanned subs can help, of course, find the plane. the bluefin-21 is in the water right now, but hasn't yet found anything from the plane. let's bring in our two ex-poerts to talk about the latest.

david gallo, cnn analyst, former co-director of the search for air france flight 447 and also david soucie, he is a cnn safety analyst and former faa inspector. david gallo, let's start with that latest point, that malaysian authorities now say they are open to exploring the idea of bringing in more underwater vehicles. how would that change the game beyond the obvious when you say more resources mean you can cover a bigger area? >> it means a lot more organization. the first thing they should start with is a white board and brand new sharpies and figure out exactly what they're asking for, how are you going to deploy all this new equipment and who is going to be in control, how do you handle the data. you can make things a lot more complicated by having someone out there mapping and not knowing what they're doing exactly. so you have to second-guess if they've actually missed the aircraft, gone over the plane and missed it by mistake.

>> do you think, david gallo, that this isn't a good idea to begin exploring at this point? >> with air france we spent more time thinking about what to do next before we launched our -- the next phase and ultimately ended up with one ship, one team, one set of technology and one mission to find that black box. this is a bit different because they're talking about a new survey area. honestly, i've been watching the hms echo mapping. they look like they're out to the northwest. it gets a lot deeper. there's only a handful of tools that can get that deep. it's going to take some careful consideration about what groups they bring in and what those groups are going to do. >> it could takes weeks as you have noted, david gallo. david soucie, we know we haven't found debris from the plane yet. that's what they told us. we now have five missions. have we learned anything? >> i think we've learned about the capabilities of what the bluefin can do. more importantly, i think

they've established the fact that they've got a baseline for the quality of the i'm manuals they're getting back from sonar and they know what the terrain is like. they can understand more about what's normal so that now if they come across a man made object, it will stand out a little more clearly. i think we have learned a little bit. i think they're educated on that particular area in that region. >> we're talking about where would they go next if they do regroup and reconsider. one thing is, they'd expand the search area by quite a lot. another idea you had is kind of going back to the beginning to rework, in my mind -- redo your map. look at each of the assumptions you've made to make sure you're still confident in it. is it easy to say what assumption, if there is an assumes that they're working with, that you think is questionable? >> again, i don't have as much information as they development clearly they're not sharing everything. from my aspect, the things that are most questionable in my mind would be the malaysian radar as to where the starting point was. radar is a very tricky beast.

i haven't seen the actual radar, but just by changing intensity, you can add or remove hits or pings on that radar. so to me, if you have the mindset that we know it went this way, you can end up connecting dots that don't necessarily connect. i think that would be the least -- at least i have the least confidence in that particular part of the assumptions. >> david gallo, before you move on to expanding the search area which adds additional challenges or bringing in more equipment which adds more complexity, as you pointed out, is it worthwhile re-evaluating or going back over the areas you have already scanned? is it likely they could have missed something? >> i think this group out there now, phoenix international, they've got a track record of success, and i'd be very confident in what they've done up to this point. so i don't think that part is necessary. >> one thing you can check off

the list. what do you do next? they still have days to be working through this search area, this 500 square miles because they really have only covered a fraction of it so far. david gallo, david soucie, thank you. michaela. we're following breaking news, an avalanche in mount everest has killed at least 12 sherpa guides. a rescue operation is currently under way. officials in nepal says this has happened more than 20,000 feet above sea level above base camp. they were preparing the route to the summit for climbers when it hit. this is the single deadliest accident ever on the world's tallest mountain. this morning a self-proclaimed separatist leader in eastern ukraine rejecting an international deal saying his men won't leave occupied government buildings until kiev's government leaves power. that after residents in one city were given a letter saying to

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thank you for joining us. what does this mean? non-lethal new aid? >> what we've already done is sent some rations. the president this week approved a package of $6.4 million to support ukraine and the state border guard service. this will be items like water purification, uniforms, medical supplies and the kinds of things that can help them sustain themselves in the field. >> many would suggest that the strongest message the u.s. can send is military might. what would have to happen for this to be a consideration in this situation? >> that's up to the commander in chief. i think you heard the president yesterday say he does not see a u.s. military solution to this crisis. the focus right now is appropriately on diplomatic and economic pressure where we find hopeful the agreement out of geneva yesterday, we hope russia will meet its obligations under that agreement. the focus right now is on trying to help the ukrainian armed

forces and state guard sustain themselves. again, the president said there's no u.s. military solution to this crisis. >> understood. one of the things they need help with is intel. it does seem the most important weapon right now is propaganda. what do you make of these threats against jews? do we take those seriously on their face or do we believe they're an ugly ploy. >> it's hard to say right now, very difficult to sachlt we stand by the people of ukraine no matter who they are, no matter what faith they practice. we call on all parties to deescalate the tension. wet want peace and stability there. none of this is helpful to reaching that goal. >> russia was one of the signatories to this four-party agreement saying put down your arms. is there a hypocrisy involved in their involvement of that part of it when there's speculation that these pro-russian troops are, in fact, russian troops? >> we certainly believe that russia has a hand in those

forces, those uniform personnel in eastern ukraine. again, we're hopeful, based on the four-party talks yesterday, we're hopeful about the agreement. now it's time for russia to meet the obligations under that agreement and to help disarm and to remove from those buildings those armed militants. >> the direction of what's going on on the ground there, how -- how likely do you believe at this point of outright civil war there? >> it's hard to get into a hypothetical on this. that's not the goal anybody wants. nobody wants to see this break into violence. our whole goal throughout this entire process as a government has been to encourage the sovereignty of ukraine, to see the territorial integrity of ukraine reinstalled. we want to see stability. we want to see peace there. nobody has an interest in further violence. >> the idea that putin is suggesting that the eastern part

of ukraine be called the new russia does seem to smack of the reorganization of communist states. what do you make of that? >> ukraine is ukraine. ukrainian territory is ukrainian tear tofr. it belongs to the people of ukraine and that's our position. >> were you surprised to hear vladimir putin said i did have troops in crimea who were assisting in the process, when that's been denied for so long? >> i don't know about surprised. it wasn't a surprise to us that those were russian troops in crimea. that he finally came clean, i think good for him. but we knew that all along. >> secretary hagel had discussions with the russians about what happened with one of their jets and one of the u.s. ships in the region. do you think a message was communicate thad will stop that type of action going forward? >> we certainly hope so, chris. that's the goal. what we want to see is tensions deescalated. there's no reason to raise it higher than it is. the ship was never really under

any threat. secretary hagel, as you said, communicated the displeasure over that and our concern through military channels. again, this is a time for russia to meet its obligations to stop isolating itself and start to behave as a responsible member of the international community. >> let's tip the scales the other way for a second, admiral, with the benefit of u.s. intelligence on the ground tlrks how much of this fomenting is coming from the ukrainian government side? >> look, i think we need to remind ourselves that it is russia who took over operational control of crimea. it is -- we see the hand of russia in the violence and the activities in eastern ukraine, and it is russia who must meet their international obligations and work to deescalate the tensions. >> is it fair to say there is tension in the eastern part of that country, there has been ugliness there. there is sis agreement about

whether the ruling government in kiev is the right one. that is also fair. >> i think there's lots of people having that debate and that discussion, absolutely. look, in our discussions with the ukrainian government, they, too, have agreed that the use of force is not the desired outcome. they also have an obligation to protect law and order in their country. they also have an obligation to respond if that law and order is threatened. i think there's an opportunity here after geneva for everybody to take a step back, meet their obligations and deescalate the tensions there. >> admiral kirby, look forward to you talking forward. happy easter to you. >> and to you as well. coming up on "new day," with hundreds still missed in capsized ferry, arrest warrants have been issued for the captain and two crew members. are they to blame? what went wrong on that ferry? a former navy s.e.a.l. is joining us to talk about the rescue efforts. also the search effort continues for flight 370. what will the recovery look like

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issued for the captain and to crew members. let's dig deeper into what's going on and the challenges ahead with former navy s.e.a.l. kate courtney. let's get right to what we know, where things are now. this is kind of where we were yesterday. this is when the bow was still above the surface. let's go to the next one so you can walk ups through this. this is important -- we'll get to capacity in a second. the rescuers have been really up against it. they've had a really hard time getting in. what are the conditions they're facing? why is this so difficult? >> worst case scenario. 50 to 55-degree water temp, zero visibility and you're getting tossed around based on the sea state. now they're having to deal with -- that's the area where they're trying to search. that's where most of the people were. that's the surface. you're looking at 50 feet they need to go down just to get started to search for possible air pockets.

>> they're trained for worst case scenarios. you have to deal with whatever you're up against. what is the general guidelines? how do you go about it? you kind of think you want to go up first, but that's not where you want to go. >> that's the crazy thing. for the people inside, it's very counterintuitive. you want to get to the surface. >> nowhere to go. >> to escape, if you're a passenger for r or for the divers to get anybody out, you'll have to go down, up and out to the surface unless they can access some of those areas there. talk about the diver's job, they are literally working through this place walking along the walls -- >> there's no fast way to do this. >> they have to, in addition to that they're rigging up lines so other divers can come right in on the lines and start where they leave off. again, they only have so much air and they have to come back. >> how long is the diver -- what's the dive capacity. >> the problem with this seeking deeper, the deeper divers go, the less time they have to work

on the water. it's such a ticking clock right now, not to mention the fact that hypothermia, lack of oxygen, carbon dioxide buildup, we're entering what i would consider 12 more hours. >> i want to get to the layout of the ship in one more second. capacity is always a question. the max capacity of this ferry was some 921 passengers. they were about half that in this ship. so would you say that isn't playing a role here? >> before i heard anything about this, the first thing i said is it's either weather or overcapacity. neither one of those was the case as far as we know. the problem with this is, once -- if you're a passenger and you feel a hit, an explosion, something like that, you need to basically be proactive and say this isn't right and i'm going to put myself in a position where i can survive this, and it's not staying put. it's getting up on the top deck so you have the ability or option to get into the water. >> let's look at the layout of how these levels are.

this makes me wonder. air pockets is the big question and the big hope that there are people in air pockets still. where would the -- is there a most likely place that people would congregate? >> you're dealing right here with cafeteria. other than here, separate state rooms along there in both sides. the larger the area, the bigger the air pocket. but if more people are in it, more people are consuming the oxygen in that air pocket. >> staying kol calm is so important. >> once a ship this large starts to list to the side, there become it is point of no return because vehicles and stuff like that will start sliding. then it goes from something like that to automatically, boom, we've lost it. we've capsized. >> when you're looking at this, you're hoping for air pockets. we know they're pumping air into the ship. how does that work? is that an effective method? >> it can be. if you go back to the last slide here, essentially with this ship

being upside down, the best way to do it is air going in like that. naturally air is going to come up. >> if we haven't seen the ferry rise closer to the surface, does that mean it's not working? >> it's not working as far as it's taking on water. it's becoming less and less buoyant. that's why it's sinking. hopefully they have cranes in the area. they can't lift it, but they might keep it from sinking further. >> how are the cranes going to work? this is massive. you don't even want to call it a ferry because that duts president do it justice. you have a boat and let's pretend that's a crane. how many cranes do you need? what are you going to do? >> one crane would be the same as me trying to lift a car submerged in the lake. it's not going to happen. but a couple of cranes might keep it from sinking any lower, giving us a little more time to try to access some of these air

pockets. it's such a ticking clot. this is a classic camp of, this was supposed to be a 14-hour cruise. if you're a passenger, spend 10 to 15 minutes looking for exits, life boats. just 15 minutes so when the first thing happens, you're like, i already know what to do, i'm heading that way and getting on lifeboat. >> the race against the clock cannot be overstated. you think it's 12 hours left. let's hope they get better conditions and they can get the rescue divers in there. >> cade, thank you so much. michaela? >> time for the five things you need to know for your new day. number one, an arrest warrant has been issued for the captain and two crew members in the ferry disaster in south korea. divers looking for the 268 people missing had to turn back because of rough conditions. malaysians are looking to put more equipment in the water. the unmanned sub is unscanning the indian motion for the fifth

time, its fifth mission buts has nothing yet to show. self pro claimed separatist leader rejecting a deal to ease tensions in ukraine says he will not back down until kiev's government does. at least 12 people are dead on mount everest after an ave. lunch struck a group of sherpa guides. it's the single deadliest accident in mount everest history. today is one of the holiest days on the christian calendar, good friday. today pope francis will lead mass and walk stations of the cross at rome's coliseum. be sure to go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. we'll take a quick break here on "new day." when we come back, we'll go back under water with martin savidge, 50 feet in the murky deep. he's in a sub showing us how researchers might recover the

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welcome back. right now an unmanned under water sub, the bluefin-21 is searching for any sign of flight 370. we know this is an immense technology, pushing deep sea technology to its limits. our martin savidge is live from inside a submarine 50 feet under

water in british columbia canada. he's with salvage expert phil nuytten from nuytco. the equipment used here is not being used in the search for flight 370. first of all, we went from seeing you in the simulator into this. i'm not sure who you spoke wrongly to, martin. in all seriousness, tell us about where you are. you are under water here, about 50 feet down. >> i felt like it's like getting out of the frying pan and jumping into the fire when it came to the experience. we're inside what's known as the aquarius which would normally be a three-person submersible but is used for under water, up to about 1,000 feet and primarily looking at what pipelines and maintenance -- >> maintenance for dams, bridges, docks, that sort of

thing. >> it is a carefully made and specific piece of equipment for our experiment. we wanted to show you today, we've been talking about the black boxes, retrieving important equipment once the wreckage of the aircraft is found. cutting is sometimes what you're going to have to do and clearing wires, cables, all that debris, one that can be hazardous not only for the crews as they try to work deeper into the wreck, but you need to move it out of the way anyway. tell us the scenario we've got here. we've got a cable out here. >> that cable -- the manipulator has picked the cable up off the bottom and placed it into the guillotine cutter. what we'll demonstrate is the guillotine cutter -- >> that's what you can see as you look in this photo would be off to the right-hand side. >> and the manipulator on the left. >> for this we need the expert help of our pilot who is going

to begin to manipulate and start pumping which actually causes that guillotine to close. >> guillotine cutter closes as you kim imagine a guillotine does. i'll just operate the manipulator to move the cable out of the way. >> jeff, that's your cue, if you haven't started already. >> that noise you hear is the cutter action, the hydraulics being driven to the cutter. everything is done slowly and carefully. this is why when people say it's going to take a long time to do work under water at great depth, it's part of the reason why. nothing is done in a hurry for reasons of both safety and just because of the depths and the way you're operating. you may not see this, but there is that guillotine should be

closing, squeezing tighter and tighter against that cable. >> martin, i suppose there's no margin of error either, is there? one wrong step, one wrong slip, you can't really move something back quite easily and redo it. >> reporter: this really came up -- we were talking about this before you came to us. if for any reason this -- what you cut or something else with wreckage suddenly fell on any part of this submersible, you'd be trapped. you could be held down below. that would be pretty serious stuff, wouldn't it phil? >> sure would. absolutely. you'd have rescue assets standing by, rovs, that sort of thing. in the case of an rov, a second rov used to free the first one. >> how are we doing, jeff? >> we're getting there. >> we're doing this manually.

>> normally you'd have a pneumatic pump that would be doing it. >> give us an idea, also, how long -- >> we're just doing it to demonstrate the hydraulic pump. >> how long would you stay down there in an operation like this? >> reporter: crews could operate at this depth for about 15 hours i suppose? >> with the time to get down and the time to get back, yes, could be a total of from ten to 15 hours. it would only probably be something in the order of five or six hours of actual bottom time, working time. the rest is transport. >> reporter: you think we can give it a try? see if we can force this to separate. >> shows how del kate it is. >> reporter: the difficulty here, michaela, is that you've

got one mechanical arm that's going to try to rip it away. you've got another that's cutting. if you damage either one in the process, then you're shut down and there's nothing you can do except go back to the surface. i know you've got a time limit on this. >> we'll ask you to keep working on it. >> it just demonstrates that anything down here at depth is very, very slow as they try to make this work, and this is exactly the kind of work they're going to be up against. >> and they're doing it in the tiniest cramped circumstances and environment you can imagine. big thanks to you there, martin. thank you to the team inside that submersible. kate and chris, it reminds me of when you see the folks working in outer space, how slowly and meticulously they have to work.

these guys are deep down in the ocean. >> how seed yous the work is. they gave you good reason why it has to be. great job, michaela. thank you so much. let's turn to this week's cnn hero. they're called motel kids, children one step away from homelessness. their parents can't provide decent meals, but for nearly ten years, california chef bruno serato has made it his mission to feed them free of charge. anderson cooper has his story. >> when bruno serato was honored as a cnn hero in 2011, he was serving pasta to 200 low income children a day in california. since being awarded, his program has grown significantly. >> who likes more pasta? now we are 1,000 kids a day, every single day, monday through

friday. >> reporter: reaching kids in three more cities in orange county. >> each time i prepare a meal, i know i give security to a little kid and he has a full stomach before he goes to bed. >> you like my pasta? >> delicious. >> bra vees mow. >> his group has gone beyond food. he's helped move 55 homeless families out of motels and into their own apartments. >> change their life completely we . >> reporter: with no plans to slow down, his program will be in its fifth city this summer. >> my goal is to be all over the. the day the children are not starving,ly stop. >> pasta! >> he is something else. >> you can nominate a hero yourself @cnnheroes.com. coming up on "new day." we finally know something

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a big announcement from one of the country's biggest political families. chelsea clinton is expecting her first child later this year. a secret revealed alongside her mother at a clinton event here in new york. it could have big implications or not for the former secretary of state. senior political correspondent

brianna keilar has more. >> reporter: good morning. you know in october chelsea told glamour magazine that she and her husband decided 2014 was the year of the baby. while this wasn't completely unexpected, it sure caught a lot of folks by surprise. chelsea clinton dropping a bombshell in a clinton foundation event in new york. >> mark and i are very excited that we have our first child arriving later this year. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: so are chelsea's parents. my most exciting title yet, grandmother-to-be, tweeted hillary clinton. bill clinton said excited to line a new line to my twitter bio, grandfather-to-be. perhaps they should have said it's about time. after all they've been droppig hints for years now, just months after chelsea and mark's 2010 wedding. >> i'd like to be a grandfather. i have nothing to do with that achievement. >> reporter: this in january. >> i really can't wait to be

honest. >> reporter: and just last month? >> do you think you and the president will have another child, any more children? >> no, but i wouldn't mind one of those grandchildren that i hear so much about. >> reporter: as chelsea gets ready for motherhood, political circles are buzzing about how that might affect a potential hillary clinton run for president in 2016. in september, cbs news' charlie rose asked the former president this. >> do you think she'd rather be today, if she can do both, president or grandmother? >> if you'd ask her, i think you'd say grandmother. >> reporter: many close to hillary clinton says it's not an either/or. and that having a grandchild might make a legacy as the first female president that much morale luring. >> one day i hope to take my grandchildren to visit israel to see this country that i care so much about. >> reporter: a trip that would be even more special if she's in the white house. but first things first, planning

for baby's arrival this fall. >> i just hope that i will be as good a mom to my child and hopefully children as my mom was to me. >> the baby is expected this fall. no word on exactly when or if it's a boy or a girl. but either way, no more not-to-subtle hints from grandma and grandpa clinton. >> huge awe factor. one thing is certain, despite any political aspirations, having a kid around makes it all so much sweeter. my mother, soon-to-be grandmother. >> you will know soon enough. coming up on "new day," we told you about how many kids there are getting their lunches denied for payment issues. one man is answering the call of need, paying off not one account or a few accounts, but the entire school. we'll show you how he did it. he earned "the good stuff." ythig i have into this place. that's why i got a new windows 2 in 1.

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happy easter to you. a lot of news for you this morning. we leave you in the capable hands of mrs. carol costello and "newsroom." >> have a great weekend. >> have a great weekend. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now on the "newsroom." ferry disasters. >> divers have finally made their way into the ship's hull. >> breaking overnight, a tenuous rescue and a race against time. conditions making the search nearly impossible. >> if you move it is more dangerous, don't move. >> reporter: sgl this morning, the captain and the warning to stay on the ship under new focus. >> a blanket warning of don't move doesn't make sense to you? >> not to me. frustration and fear. >> you're lying to us again now. >> as the search for flight 370 enters its 42nd