breaking this morning, divers finding no sign of life in the cafeteria of the south korean ferry. this amid any questions, why was the first distress call not from a ferry's crew but from a boy on board? new details on the 15-year-old stowaway who defied airport security. the shocking timeline. he spent nearly seven hours on the par mack before takeoff. we hear from those who know him. your "new day" starts right now. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." officials in malaysia will hold a news conference momentarily. we're going to bring it to you live. the reason, an object of interest. they say it was found not the water or on the bottom of the ocean but on the shore on the southern coast of western australia. officials qualify it as sufficiently interesting. let's get straight to erin

mclaughlin live in perth, us austral australia. erin, what are they saying this object is? >> good morning, chris. martin dolan, the head of australian's transportation and safety bureau telling cnn this object of interest washed up onshore about 190 miles south of here in western australia. he said that the atsb is currently studying photographs of the object, photographs also have been provided to malaysian authorities. he described the object as a sheet metal attached to something with rivets. he also says, it is sufficiently interesting, but he says the more we look at it, the less excited we get. and that was a direct quote. the object, we understand, is currently in the custody of police. according to the australian maritime and safety authority. they are bringing it here to the joint agency coordination center in perth for further analysis. clearly authorities treating

this as they treated every other lead in this investigation. they're taking it seriously. something that needs either be ruled in or ruled out in the course of this investigation. chris? >> erin, thank you very much. let's bring in mary schiavo, cnn aviation analyst, former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation. marley, help me with this. it's an object of interest. we're going to hold a press conference and scramble the forces out there to look a it. it's a piece of metal with rivets. but the more we look at it, the less interesting we find it. how do you put those two pieces of information together? >> the most important thing i heard is a lot of rivets. on a plane you have millions of rivets, literally. it's a piece of metal with rivets and in the part of the world we expect to find it. it's certainly worthwhile checking it out. they heard there was also fiberglass glued to it. that doesn't make sense but there are cabin dividers. they don't have a lot of rivets in them. but certainly i agree with the australian officials who said it

is worth theking out. by all means. that's how they found clues to the craft of adam air in the jahrah sea. >> you're not finding a debris field. you've had enough time for the current in this area of ipdian ocean is strong enough to have sent it that distance to shore. >> absolutely. >> all right. so it's plausible. >> it's time to look on the shores. >> it's plausible. >> plausible. >> you're making the right point and to follow up, they say it's an interest of object and it's becoming less interesting the more they look at it. they're qualifying it as well. different parts of the hull, different marine equipment is made with metal and fiberglass put to it. it could be anything. at thing that's interesting here that they've said, it may take up to two weeks to cover the last 20% of the search area. now, that would be disproportionately long but is it disproportionate to your understanding of how long it should take? >> no, because the part that's

left, the 20% that is left, is much deeper than the other part that they've already searched. it's harder to examine. they might be bringing in some different equipment as well. the bluefin might not be able to do that so we're looking at perhaps even manned submersibles, but they're looking at different equipment to go down there and get to those depths and finish off that first. it's only the first but finish off the first search area. >> we hear the aussies are thinking about asking for more help. they're entering into an express agreement with malaysian authorities that does involve, among other things, expanding the search area. what do these developments mean? >> i think they're good developments. i think the written agreement, a firm commitment, agreement, contract, if you will, between malaysia and australia will set a lot of things straight and will empower australia. so many times you've heard angus houston in the press conferenceses say, well, that's up to the malaysians. i'll defer to my malaysian

counter parts. once you have this contract in place there will be clear lines in authority and australia will have authority in a lot of things including what to do with the wreckage, recovery of human remains and running things not just on the sea but somewhat on the land. it's a good development. it's good to have an agreement up front speaking of putting my lawyer hat on a minute because once things start happening it's harder to get an agreement. i think it's a good development. and the expansion means they're there for, i won't saw forever, but they're there for the long haul because otherwise they wouldn't need an agreement. that's good. good development. >> who is paying? >> for now, every country that's participating is footing their own bill. event chul ly they might have t have a discussion about some,rey or the bills, if you will. there is on every major airline flight, there's about a billion dollars insurance on major, not

minor, b but major airlines have that insurance. there should be some talking about some point about tapping or at least asking, they might even have to file suit against them, but asking the insurance policy to cover some of this. >> the malaysian side of this investigation, they won't answer the 26 questions. they also won't release the inmarsat do ata? why not? don't we have examples of when you open up this type of information to crowd sourcing but might get a big brain out there who crunches it a little differently? >> not just that. not just looking for different insight. sbintelligent people around the world and people who might want to volunteer to help. but releasing the information cannot possibly harmony criminal investigation. i've tread 26 questions. they are questions that really should be answered within the first few days of an investigation, not first two months. the very basic questions in many

cases and so they're the kind of information that in an ntsb investigation would be released in the daily press conference or in the daily briefings with the family. the questions are articulate. they're intelligent. they're right on. there are things as simple as, you know, serial numbers on the black box or how do they know that the 33.5 hertz on the pingers is actually the 37.5 hertz on the original pingers degraded on the batteries. that's a questions that a lot of us have the frankly, that's information they should already have. if they don't, call in help, more help than even the australians. >> it seems like the kind of help we're going to hear about next will be attorneys. i bet they're going to be filing suit to compel the disclosure of information that's relevant to the families and the data itself. that's what i think is going to happen. >> well, yes and no. sure, there will be suits filed. as you know, to file a suit

you're supposed to have, you know, good cause. you're supposed to have a good faith basis. right now without the -- by the way, one of the things the family asked for were the maintenance records and the plane logs. those are probably right now the two most important things they could have. theoretically you could find information about a possible plane malfunction or broken things in the fix and plane logs and maintenance records. with don't even have those. it's going to be difficult to file a lawsuit against anyone other than malaysia, against malaysia air. and malaysia air will simply defer to the on going investigation when you hit them with requests for production of documents. they'll say, we can't respond because there's an on going investigation. that usually buys them a heck of a lot of time. so we need just a little bit more before i think people can reasonably see real lawsuits. i mean, there might be some that are filed frivolously. but tiny bit more information is needed. a lot more. >> people have filed for a lot less than what we're dealing with right now, mary, as we both

now. thank you for the perspective this morning. kate? we want to remind view irs we are awaiting a news conference from malaysia officials. that will be on the latest developments in the search for flight 370. we will bring that to you live when it comes to us. but talking about this new information almost coming out this morning about the object of interest. the question is, what does it tell us about a possible crash site, where that object of interest was located. let's bring in our chad myers who is taking a look at that. this is south of perth. it's south of perth about 190 miles, chad. >> right. >> what can you glean from that when you're looking at currents? >> i can grelean that this is where we're looking. the underwater search here. almost 1,000 miles away is what we're talking about the landing site of that. is that out of the question? no, it is not because that would be 45 days, 24 hours a day, about one mile per hour. that's about what the current would flow. now, there's something else going on in here as well.

an awful lot going on in here. there was a huge cyclone. equal to a category 5 hurricane. now, they spin the other way. so we're spinning this way. right on top of that site. not only 40 days ago. debris there and blown to the south and by the current we know there are currents here, waves 10 to 12 feet. 14 feet under that cyclone. some will actually come from from the west. go under australia. and keep right on going. it's not out of the question that the debris is down here. got pushed down by the cyclone, caught in the current and ended up on that beach. they haven't found anything else anywhere. ka kate? it's something worth looking at. it has rivet, some fiberglass coating on it. they're going to track that. that's very interesting to see

where the currents work and where it could head. chad, thanks very much. we also have breaking news the search for bodieses in that south korean ferry disaster. we are now learning that divers found no air pockets on the ship's third and fourth decks. they had been hoping they would find those air pockets nape had held out hope that with the air pockets they could find some additional survivors. but the confirmed death toll now rising once again. it's at 150, with 152 people still unaccounted for this morning. there's also new information about what was happening on board when the ferry first ran into trouble. cnn's nic robertson is live in jindo, south korea, with the latest. nic? >> kate, we have these new details from the rescue effort. we know now, we've been told that a new main rescue ship than brought into place. it is nine times larger than the main rescue vessel in place.

also around ship now surrounded by nets so that bodys, divers cannot get caught in currents and drift away. but today a grim milestone discovery by divers. this sunken ferry now lies at the bottom of the yellow sea. early this morning rescue divers completed their search of the ship's cafeteria where they expected to find many of the passengers. but none were found. sadly, most of the grim discoveries were made near the students' cabins on the third and fourth levels. and now divers say they discovered in air pockets, meaning this may switch from a rescue to a recovery mission. this is the sewol crew has come under fire again. south korea's coast guard told cnn the first emergency call was made by a boy on board, a full three minutes before the crew

made their call for help. local affiliate jtbc reported his first words to emergency dispatch were, help us, the boat is sinking. local korean media report that many other calls for help were made by students on the ship. a fisherman arrived as the ferry was capsizing. he says he saw no bodies in the water and was told everyone was safe, so he left. he is angry at the captain and says, with so many people on board, no one did anything. nearly one week later the number of missing declines as the death toll continues to rise. for the families of the hundreds of young lives lost, it is all too much to bear. in the last hour we've learned another two crew arrested. 11 crew total so far arrested.

the owners of the ship, their officers, their homes have been searched as well. michaela? >> nic, such tragedy. thank you for that latest update. more breaking news right now. this time out of ukraine. troops it called for easter is - over the p operations targeting militants in the easter will resume. this comes after a surge in violence leading many to believe last week's deal to's tensions between ukraine and russia will amount to nothing. cnn's fred plankton has the latest. fred? >> certainly, it seems that truce called over easter is an absolute peril at best. the government here saying that truce is over. they are going to relaunch what they call an antiterror operation in the east which means the ukrainian military will send forces to try to get pro-russian separatists out of the buildings. you menged the violence going on over easter. there was a top-level politician

found dead in a river in one of the towns held by the russian separatists. they blame russia and pro-russian separatists for dilling this man and allegedly torturing this man as well. also over the weekend, a plane of the ukrainian air force hovering over one of the towns held by the pro-russians was shot at, apparently sustained several bullet holes but was able to return to the airport in kiev. right now what we're seeing ises escalation rather than de-escalation. as you know, vice president biden was here yesterday and said the u.s. was going to help prop up the ukrainian government but also called on all sides to situation. we still have tens of thousands of russian forces on the eastern border of ukraine. now the ukrainian government says it will take steps to forcefully intervene in the country. that's something that's almost certain to cause trouble. chris and kate, back to you. >> so much for the spirit of

rebirth and renewal that easter is supposed to bring as a season. thanks to fred pleitgen. >> everyone calling for de de-escalation but neither sign from either side. coming up next on "new day," we're awaiting still a live news conference from malaysian officials on the search for flight 370. we're going to bring it to you live as soon as that begins with all new details. but first, we do have new details about that 15-year-old stowaway who flew from california to hawaii. this is an extraordinary journey. a wake-up call to awful of our airports. he didn't just hop the fence and get on the plane. he was there for a while. we'll examine it. guy: hey captain obvious, watch this!

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interest found on the shore off australia's coast. let's listen in. >> today the maritime authority planned visual search area approaching 7940 square kilometers. the center of the search area lies approximately 1,584 kilometers northwest of perth. however, planned search has been suspended for today due to poor weather conditions in the search area. three aircraft had already departed for today's search area prior to this taking affect. they have been recalled. current weather conditions are resulting in heavy seas and poor visibility and are making air search activities ineffective and potentially hazardous. the ships involved in today's search will continue with their planned activitys. bluefin-21 is currently completing mission ten.

>> sound quality isn't great so just so you understand what's being said right now by the interim minister of transportation, air search suspended because of weather conditions. there are still ships and they are adding to the number who are searching the water. they are describing the search perimeter right now off the coast of western australia. let's listen in for more. >> on the international investigation team the cabinet has delivered and approved this morning the appointment of an interim investigation team to investigate the incident. the ministry of transport has been tasked reference for investigation team and as i announce the subcommittee led by the deputy minister of transport has been assigned a task to coordinate the formation of the international investigation team. on that note, malaysia is the

contracted state and council member of the national civil aviation organization, iceo, will observe and comply with the standards and recommended practices of icao to look into the safety of international civil aviation. the main purpose of the international investigation team is to evaluate, investigate, and determine the actual cause of the accident so similar accidents can be avoid in the future. i would also like to note that the investigation will not include criminal aspects which are under the purview of the royal malaysian police. this investigation will be carried out in accordance with the civil aviation regulation 1966 and is set under an expert team, aircraft accident and incident investigation, chicago convention. require them to investigate accidents independently with four powers in their respective

countries. the bureau was established since december 2011 under the ministry of transport as the secretary of this investigation team. the investigation team will include three groups, airworthiness group to look at maintenance, records, structures and systems and operational group to examine delight recorders, operations, and thirdly, a medical group to investigate issues such as psychology and survival. we also discussing to a point experts from other countries in accordance with corp. operation relateded to aircraft accident and incident investigation assigned in 2008. we are in the process of identifying the members and representatives and will be recruiting the members for the team in accordance with international standards. we will announce the names of the members next week.

indeed, it is imperative for the government to form an independent team of investigators which is not only competent and transparent but also highly credible. as we have said since the beginning, we have nothing to hide. let me take this opportunity to update you on the incident. on the 20th of april, 2015, it bound for bangor, depart at 10:20 p.m. with 166 people on board including 7 crew members. upon takeoff the crew reported feeling heavy vibrations. at 10:32 p.m. mh2626 -- >> only thing of significance that's been said so far in terms of advancing understanding is the interim minister is giving a little bit of a description about this new team that's being put together to coordinate this investigation. that's been a big concern effort

families about who is doing what and when. there's also been some coordination issues between australia and malaysian government. explaining it as being a function of international accepted guidelines for these kinds of searches there's going to be a team that's coordinated panel of people and they will announce the members sometime next week. the minister has now made a detour into another flight that was worthy of discussion by him. we haven't heard anything about this object of interest yet. we're going to listen back in. if we don't hear anything soon, we're going to other news. >> the runway under the observations of mas representatives. at 1:57 a.m., mh182 landed safely. in the preliminary investigation findings has been identified number three main wheel burst during takeoff. the aircraft is currently grounded at mas facility for the inspection and also for repair

work. further investigation by the relevant b authorities are still ongoing. in conclusion, i would like to conclude by stressing we will continue with the search of -- >> bring back in mary schiavo, cnn aviation analyst and general at the u.s. department of transportation. mar rirks as we're dealing with a little poor sound quality and listening to the transport minister, are you taking anything new from what he's saying? i was a little surprised that right off the top the transport minister isn't talking about this object of interest. >> right. i was surprised, probably because they don't know a lot object it yet and they haven't had the opportunity to examine it. but talking about the new team that they're putting together, i think it's very important and also they're going to have a much bigger team, more defined lines of responsibility. i would suggest that they consult with a families at some point. . they don't have to necessarily put the families on the team. but running at least having a

session with them, telling them what's going to happen and then giving them a copy of the agreement would probably go a long way to help the families understand what's coming and knowing they would then know that they have their best interest at heart. >> mary, stand by for one more min mutt let's get back to the press conference. the transport minister is taking questions now. >> yes, the quotation came from prime minister abbott where we need to regroup and restrategize but not immediately. we still have the 20% area that has to be covered by bluefin-21 and i can confirm that in fact

we are increasing the assets that are available for deep sea search. i was a bit late today for the pc because nifs consultation with them because that involves commercial ventures. in the next few days talking to other entities to look at possibility of increasing the assets for the next phase. the timeline i have to discuss with angus houston but it will not be in the next few days. what is more important is that the search continues and this is an assurance that we will be through the families of the passengers.

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we're going to dip back into the press conference. they're taking questions now. the malaysian authorities are up there. the interim minister of transportation and others. so far no mention of this object of interest that was reported found on the coast of australia. most of the discussion has been about this new investigative team that's been set up, appointments to follow. let's hear what the questions are. >> at the beginning of our search there was speculation about the plane landing and landing which is not true. so basically we stick to our wo word. any leads will be followed out. but only announce it if it is verified and also corroborated. >> yes.

[ inaudible ] >> more speculation again and i will not answer unless it has been verified and corroborated. as far as the understanding with the joint agency coordination center, i do get reports on a daily basis and the understanding really refers to

the timeline and the original ping and also the restrategizing. it doesn't talk about stopping search at all, but focusing on, for example, the visual air surface search where they are still relevant relative to the debris that you mentioned earlier or the under water search. i'm not in the position yet to announce it, but on discussion that angus houston, we will do so jointly. >> all right. yes, please. >> richard quest. >> hi. >> i made a comment to the procedures and protocols, familiar with your report and section seven. has such a report been compiled?

>> yes, we have issued the report and sent it. >> follow up. it's quite unusual not to release a report. i can't remember too many pla s places -- >> we have sent it in. [ inaudible ] >> in case you recognize it,

that's the voice of our richard quest who is at the press conference asking about the disclosure practice of malaysian authorities and he was getting push back that while they have a preliminary report they haven't decided whether to make the report or bring it to the media. that's been frustrating to the families. mary, why is no one asking about this object of interest, is that they don't know or are we somehow confused about its significance? >> per happen they don't know. it came over the wires early this morning. maybe they were already su questered in the room waiting for the press conference to start. but, yes, i mean, certainly the rest of the world is very much interested in this piece of -- this possible piece of wreckage or whatever it was that washed up on the shore. perhaps they just haven't heard about it. >> and, you know, the only headline coming out of this presser right now is that they're all about the organization of this new investigative team. and you were experience with these type of investigations. to be this far in and be setting

up your investigative team, what does that suggest? >> well, they're really behind. i mean, thatter really behind the a ball. the three committees that they do have the airworthiness, which will look at things like the maintenance on the plane and the condition of the plane, et cetera, human factors was, you know, what was the human condition, was it survivable. obviously not. and then the operations, was there anything about the operation of the airline. those are pretty typical committees. but usually you have many morrisette up. so i'm going assume that they're going to set up subcommittees. example, in one recent crash -- well, let's use the black boxes t from the boeing 787 fires. between the time of the fire on the dreamliner and the time when the ntsb had set up the committees and had the data downloaded was exactly four days and they had set up the group, done the download, et cetera. sometimes you have move a lot faster. here they are pulling in a

number of countries and that's good. number of expertise. but it is a little surprising that we're in, you know, approaching the end of two months and they're setting up the committees. but same token, they didn't have the black boxes yet to work with or any wreckage. >> that's true. i think there's an overriding issue here of culture of disclosure. i had a malaysian journalist say to me you are over estimating the malaysian authority's openness and that's not part of the culture of government there. so maybe there is a little bit of unreasonable expectation here. mary, thank you very much. we're going to keep monitoring this presser to hear when they ask about what should be the most obvious issue this morning, this object of interest that authorities are saying they found on the coast of australia. we'll follow that and we'll get you the information as soon as we hear it. >> we'll follow that press conference and we're also going to be following the new details of that 15-year-old boy that is believed to be a stowaway who surpassed layers and layers of airport security to hop a flight and then survive five hours in

subzero temperatures and 38,000 feet in the air. we'll have more on that coming up.

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welcome back. we're going to continue to monitor that live news conference out of malaysia with malaysian officials about the updates on the search for flight 370. but we do want to turn now to new details about the 15-year-old stowaway who apparently survived a 5 1/2 hour flight in the wheel well of a boeing 767. the california boy remains in a hawaii hospital this morning after hiding on the plane to supposedly get to somalia to

visit his mother. cnn's dan simon is live in san jose with much more. san jose, of course, is where the flight began. we know he survived, dan. do we know how he's doing though? >> well, good morning, kate. he is said to be doing okay. he's in a maui hospital. at some point california authorities or child welfare officials are going to bring him back to california. but it sounds like this is a child who is homesick who acted out in a very irrational way but it does give you insight into his state of mind. he wound up in hawaii but the 15-year-old stowaway apparently wanted to get to africa. a law enforcement source tells cnn the teenager told fbi investigators that he was trying to get to somalia to see his mother. >> he wanted to kind of go back home, like he wanted to -- originally he's from africa. >> reporter: the boy who now lives in santa clara, california, told classmates he

missed his home country. why did he choose an airliner? the fbi believes it was the first plane he saw. >> describe his personality. >> quiet kid. you wouldn't see him doing this. probably the last person you would expect. >> reporter: students also say he was new to the to this public high school. only a few weeks. >> what can you tell us about him? >> well, from what i know of, he was a really shy person, you know, he didn't really talk a lot. he mostly kept to himself. >> reporter: we're also learning more about the timeline. the boy jumped the airport fence at approximately 1:00 a.m. sunday morning. the plane didn't leave until 8:00 a.m., which means he would have been on the tarmac or in that wheel well for approximately seven hours before it even took off. the flight itself was five hours. in san jose, passengers expressing disbelief over how the teenager could go undetected. >> we're supposed to have all the security. spending billions of dollars in tax dollars since 9/11. kind of scary sometimes. >> reporter: authorities are using their discretion and not charging the juvenile with any

crimes because they believe there was no intention to cause any harm. we'll send it back to chris. >> dan, i mean, the only clear infraction here is one of our security pro protocol. hours spent on the tarmac. this kid isn't the first to breach security this way at a major airport. . certainly something to discuss this. we want to bring you up to date on what was going on at that presser in flight 370. the malaysian interim minister of transportation was asked about this object of interest that was reportedly found on the coast of australia. he says that he is not yet received any photos from australia and that, so far, all of the objects found in the search have not been related to the missing plane. so he doesn't have the pictures yet so i don't know how you can make a determination about this object but that's why we haven't heard any more about it. when we get information we will give it to you. >> thanks so much. let's get to chad myers in for indra petersons, keeping track

of the weather forecast. in looking at your map it is apparent that spring is here. >> spring has sprung, so has all the pollen. a little bit better in the northeast today than yesterday. the cooler air took some of the pollen offshore. 59 in d.c. 61 in new york. we will see later on today in d.c. and all of the way up into boston is a wind event. the winds are going to be blowing 30 miles per hour. that could slow down some airplanes. look at this gust. new york city, later on today. 25, 27, 31, all of the way to 34 miles per hour. so just ripping through the buildings in downtown and midtown for sure. a slight risk of severe weather. that means tornadoes possible. likely more hail and wind damage. still it's there. and that spring, cold one side, warm on the other. it's going to clash. we'll even have a chance of weather here in the northeast, on friday night as you may be making your way home from work. other than, we're in good shape across the northeast. guys, back to you. >> boy, you couldn't be more right about that pollen. >> yeah. >> can you hear it? >> it's hitting me all over.

i felt like i had stuff on my eyes yesterday. >> when you walk out and you see your car and it's like the wrong color. >> all three kids wanted to go to the park for separate reasons yesterday. three different trichs. terrible. terrible. it's tough being a parent. you'll see. you'll see. don't g b. nice to mommy. coming up on "new day," as we learn more about this possible object of interest, every time we hear something very frustrating for the families that they don't get a complete answer. that goes directly to their relationship with malaysian authorities who won't answer their simply spl questions, who won't give them information about the data. why not? we're bog to talk to the son of one of the plane's passengers about what they plan to do next to get information. guy: hey captain obvious, watch this!

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welcome back to "new day." malaysian authorities just wrapped up a news conference on flight 370. every word they say causes frustration for the families.

the families say malaysian officials keep giving opinions, not data, about what happened to the plane. on tuesday "new day" spoke with sarah bajc, the partner of philip wood, an american on the missing plane. she says the families are tired of the guesswork and want an independent look at the data. take a listen. >> it's absolutely astounding to me that they haven't been willing to release that data. i mean, what's so confidential about those data sets that a third party set of people couldn't come in and make some new calculations on them because, clearly, the calculations they've been making so far are wrong. they're obviously wrong because the plane has not been found there. so, you know, once bitten, twice shy. we want to go back and have a little more control put into the situation. >> sarah bajc is not alone. joining us now is steve wang, his mother was a passenger on flight 370. steve, thank you for joining us this morning. you heard what sar iah bajc was saying. why do you want the data from

inmarsat and other satellite data the investigators have. do you accept the explanation that it's complicated stuff, you wouldn't understand it? >> yes, of course. we are together not only for sarah but also for the relatives in malaysia, india, and australia. we are united. what we are asking is quite simple because they have searched that area for more than -- for nearly one month but given us -- no debris has been fought. we doubt or suspect that whether they are searching the right place. that's why we ask for the raw data. >> and it's not about whether or not you understand it. it's that you want it opened up to people who may be able to crunch these numbers a different way. you just want to expand the possibles, is that true? >> yes, of course. because we really suspect that do they really understand the calculation -- can they confirm the calculation, is it correct?

they cannot. so we want others to help us. >> why do you think they're not giving you the information? >> i am not sure. maybe they -- they just don't know. they cannot understand the calculation from inmarsat. so that they are afraid that when something was found, something wrong was found. and they make such a huge mistake. >> you also had a list of 26 questions. many of them were basic about serial numbers, cargo manifests, and things of that nature. the malaysian authorities to our understanding have answered none of them. why do you think that is? >> yes, well that is a question. they must have covered up something or want to hide something. you know, some of the questions are totally not confidential. it is just a fact. it is -- like the -- i don't know how it could influence the investigation but they just give the answer that, oh, it is still under investigation.

it's just like excuse, not an answer. >> how are you holding up? i've read that you said, you know, being in the hotel is like being in a huge cage, that every day is exhausting. how are you and the other family members holding up? >> well, you know, we are still keeping the faith that we must do something for finding our family members, our loved ones. you know, we are just common people. none of us majored in aircraft or in other things but we have organized a technical group studying all the materials from the internet we could find, learn about elt, learn about inmarsat, larn learn about the doppl doppler. we simply want to find the plane. >> is it true that you are considering legal action to compel information from the airline and the malaysian authoriti authorities? >> i am not sure whether lawsuit could bring us the truth. they could bring us the

conversation. what we need first is the conversation it is not the money but our loved ones. that is the most important thing. if it could help, we will turn to it but if can t no, we will put it later. >> what is your message to the malaysian authorities? they just had a press conference. you were listening to some of it. what do you want them to know through the media that the families still want? >> well, we just want to tell them stop lying. they are telling to the whole world that they have good communication with the relatives, but do you know for sunday in kuala lumpur and for monday in beijing they're supposed to be and they promised there will be a technical delegation come to beijing and talk to us about the technical questions we are concerned about, but they break the promise and they just said, oh, stop asking the questions and face the fact. what is the fact? what kind of fact they want us to face? do they have the fact? so they are lying to the whole world again. >> they literally said to you

stop asking the questions and just face facts? >> yes, in kuala lumpur they said stop asking technical questions and we should move on to the next step and face the fact. >> and the next fact is what, accepting that your family members is lost forever and deal with how you want to remember them? >> well, they didn't mention too much detail about it but the most important thing about is it what kind of fact they want us to face. >> stuck in limbo and that's the problem and it's weighing on your head and your heart very heavily. is that true? >> yes. yes, yes. even more debris hasn't been found, how can you say that -- it is just the plane is missing but how can you just move on to the next step? you should focus all your -- all your energy on searching investigating, not talking about the next step or some other things like that. >> steve, look, i know this is

hard for you. i can hear it in your voice. and if m. families members are experiencing the same thing. we will continue to press for answers. we will keep attention on this situation and get any information we can and you know you can reach out to us whenever you need to and whenever you want to make a statement. thank you for joining us, steve. give our best to the rest of the families. >> okay. thanks for you were help. >> obviously very frustrated as you can imagine you would be as well. we're going to bring you the latest on this object of interest in flight 370 that search we're hearing reports they found something, not much mentioned at the press conference. there's also breaking news in the saefearch for bodies and survivors in the south korean ferry disaster. so, let's get to it. >> a crew this morning, international investigation team to investigate the incident. >> western australian police have attended to a report of material washed ashore. >> they found no pockets on the

third and fourth level of the ship. >> have a young schoolchild make a phone call to an emergency place. the captain was very indecisive. >> the 15-year-old boy who smuggled himself to hawaii told investigators he was trying to reach his mother in somalia. >> he just wanted to go back home. >> welcome back to "new day." we do have breaking news in the search for flight 370. an object of interest has been found on the west coast of australia nearly 200 miles south of perth. it is reportedly a torn piece of metal, roughly rectangular with rivets and a fiberglass coating on one side. erin mclaughlin is live from perth, australia, with the latest. erin, what do we know? >> good morning, chris. that's right, martin dolan, the head of australia's transportation and safety bureau telling cnn this object of interest washed up on the coast of western australia about 190 miles to the south of here.

he said it was sufficiently interesting. once they analyzed the photographs but saying the more we look at it the less excited we get. that's a direct quote. he described the object as sheet metal attached to rivets. source inside the australian defense force saying that it was a riveted-sided metal coated with fiberglass. now, dolan went on to say that they have provided malaysian authorities with a photographs of the object currently in police custody but malaysian acting transportation minister in a press conference a short while ago hussein saying they have yet to receive the photographs but they have received a report of the object from australian authorities. he also updated -- provided an update on the activities of that underwater drone, the bluefin-21. he said that it has completed the tenth mission, surveying more than 80% of the very important critical underwater area where they believe they are

most likely to find the black box. he says no objects of interest found so far. we're still trying to get you more information on that object of interest washed ashore. chris? >> we'll be following that. big development this morning. erin, thank you very much. erin mclaughlin, live from perth, australiaer for us. for more, mary schiavo, former inspector general at the department of transportation who now also represents airline disaster victims and their families. and also major general james spider marks, cnn military analyst and former commanding general of the u.s. army intelligence center. good morning again to both of you. mary, let's talk about this object of interest as erin was just talking about with us. it's described as sheet metal with rivets. rivets on one side and what appears to be a fiberglass coating. is that promising to you? what could that be? >> well, it could be part of the fuselage. the fiberglass is not right. they had to switch out and change the insulation on the

aircraft after the swiss air 111 disaster off of halifax. to is insulation doesn't sound quite right but the rivets sound right. there are millions of rivets on the plane. the fuselage is riveted. maybe it's an interior part of the plane although you wouldn't have quite as many rivets there. the description is generally right but lots of things in the maritime world also of that description. it's certainly worth checking out. with the storms and hurricanes, you would expect that it's possible that the part of the plane was australia. >> it's also another reason why the australian authorities with this announcement also give -- offer a healthies dose of caution, that they need to investigate, they can't go beyond that until they get it -- get some more eyes on it which we'll continue to follow. one more thing, mary. the malaysian transport minister, you were listening in on that press conference with us. he did confirm they are talking about increasing assets for the next phase.

whatever the next phase would be. what do you think is needed in that next phase? >> well, i think given the 20% that they haven't searched in the area of interest around the four pings is an area of search interest that is much deeper than what they've done. they've done about 80%. they've got 20% to go. and this 20% is the 20% of the search area that's much deeper. so there's questions whether the bluefin-21 can handle it. i think the additional equipment they want are submersibles that can go much deeper. maybe even a manned submersible but they do need additional equipment to get down to that area of the floor and then, of course, they also announced the additional committees they're setting up. a few committees, anyway. undoubtedly they will have subcommittees to those as well. and it's very much like an icao based aviation civil aviation organization investigative body just like or similar to what we do with the ntsb. it's a little late to set those

up but high time they got them going. good news. >> spider, who has these additional assets? will the malaysian authorities be turning to countries be looking to the u.s. navy maybe? are they going to look to private companies who has this stuff? >> kate, lit be a combination. the malaysians don't have the capacity themselves to do this so they will go to the contributing nations, those who have been involved to date. clearly the united states has got some tremendous capabilities in the military and available commercially. and at some point we have to be very frank. there's a huge cost element to this. if they can latch on to a piece of intelligence, this object of interest, if this leads to something then there needs to be a resulting surge in term of collection capabilities. if not, then the inevitable will be how much is this going to cost, how long is it going to take, expectations are going to have to be decreased in terms of the immediacy of an answer. but other nations will have to

stay focused on this, malaysian, australia, certainly based on what mary described as this organizational structure, way late but at least it's in the right direction. we'll have to be able to keep the focus on this. it's like any other investigation. it's going to take place over time. >> over time and time costs money, as just just said. at what point in your experience, spider, does the cost of an investigation start being prohibitive. when does a cost become a factor in how the search is conducted and limit that search? >> kate, each nation has its own interests and they all have come together with a shared interest. when the shared interest is now appears to be waning, in other words, we can't find anything, we've done a very proud search and now we're increasing the depth of the search. so there are areas that we've looked at and that will now be off to the side and we don't have to go back there. so we narrowed the focus area. national interests and security interests come into play. for example, the united states has a number of pa'd aircraft,

incredible collection asset that needs to feed information into our intelligence community on routine and established intelligence collection requirements. it's a bit arcane but it's what we have created our military and our intelligence community simply to do. in this case we have this tragedy we need to focus in on it but this is off the radar has not been budgeted. it now is going to cost a lot of money and you have to be able to sustain an effort but you have to be take your national interests, your security interests, as a first priority. >> mary, i want to get your take on this. you have repped victims. you've also been involved -- you're also the former inspector general at the u.s. department of transportation. i think one thing that has not been hit hard enough is why not release the data? the search continues. the families have all of these technical questions. some of them though very simple, as you've pointed out, should have already been released to the public early on in the investigation. is there any compelling argument for why they don't release the

data? >> no, there really isn't. they have said becauses there's an ongoing criminal investigation as well. but none of this information -- i have seen the questions, i read the questions the families want answers to. it has nothing do do with the criminal investigation. technical questions, practical questions. three reasons why they should. one is the icao standards which say they'd should have brief the families and issue their preliminary report already. two, in our country of course, we have two laws that provide it. we have the families assistance act and the federal victim/witness protection act. both require briefing of the families of the victims. so if they were to step up to the plate now and start doing that i think they could dispel some of the anger. but it doesn't sound like they're going to do that yet but they should and there's no reason not to. it can't possibly compromise a criminal investigation if they really have a real one going. >> if they have a real one going

at this point. i don't think that it's ever too late to be more trans important in an investigation that involves so many people and there's so much distrust now between the families and how this investigation is going. mary, it's always great to have you. thank you. spider, thank you. it's great to see you as well. chris? >> kate, we're also following breaking news in that devastating ferry accident off the coast of south korea. and it is the last thing families want to hear. divers are saying this morning there are no air pockets on the third and fourth decks of that submerged ship. all but eliminating any hope of finding anyone, at least finding them alive. 150 bodies have been brought to the surface with 152 still unaccounted for. cnn's nic robertson is live in jindo, south korea. this is not a shock, nic, but it is just so, so sad. >> reporter: very disappointing for the families. the real hope had been that the third and fourth levels were the place where's the students were, with the whole rescue effort was

focusing. if anyone was going to survive it was going to be in an air pocket there. that is not the case now. divers are saying if brad pans in over my shoulder here you can take a look. the green flashing lights you see on the harbor side, more ambulances that have just pulled up. in the background you may just see about to come in the picture there another police maritime ship bringing bodies ashore. the ambulances are there waiting to take those bodies away. this very painful for the families. we have also learned another painful thing for them today. the first person to make contact from the ship, to the emergency services, was a young boy aboard calling 911. he told the responder that he needed help, that the ship was sinking. that was three minutes before anyone from the crew called for any kind of help. also, another two crew members arrested today, bringing the total 11 arrested so far. >> nic, that is a huge disclosure about the timing of

how they were respondings to incident. we're going to hear more object that going forward. in other news, president obama is looking to do more business with asia. arriving in tokyo this morning it is his first stop on a scheduled four-nation tour of the region. the week long trip is designed to boost america's ties to asia, especially as alliances in the region become even more critical. other stops in addition to jo pan, south korea, malaysia, the philippines all so key right now. michelle is in tokyo with more. michelle? >> president obama is about to kick off his asian trip by going out for sushi reportedly a three-michelin started sushi joint with the japanese prime minister. this trip is seen as extremely significant by the u.s. and by the four countries visited. you might call it pivotal. remember, this represents that asian pivot, the rebalance of u.s. interests towards this region that the administration has wanted for obama's second

term. the questions are, how credibly will it be viewed in the areas it covers? economic, diplomatic, and military. and how much progress is really possible. president obama has been pushing for this trans pacific trade partnership that could involve 12 countries but it's been slow going. also the issues of threats of provocation from north korea, territorial disputes with china, all of which shape u.s. relationships in this important regi region. >> thank you so much for thanchts letthat. let's look at the headlines. ukraine kran government saying the truce it called for at easter is over. officials say security operations targeting militants in the east will resume after a surge in violence. there is mounting concern that last week's deal to ease tensions between ukraine and russia is unraveling. in the meantime, the pentagon is sending about 600 troops to yearn europe in response to russia's actions in ukraine.

the white house will deliver ten apache attack helicopters in aid egypt's counter terrorism operations on the sinai peninsula. the u.s. suspended aid to egypt after the military removed president mohammed morsi last year. a crack down on violent protesters. secretary of state john kerry certified to congress saying egypt met key criteria for washington to resume aid. and including upholding its obligations under the egypt/israel peace treaty. 1100 irs employees who owed back taxes were awarded some $1 million in bonuses between 2010 and 2012. that's according to a federal investigation which says the agency handed out over $2.8 million all to employees with recent disciplinary problems. now, the bonuses apparently do not violate federal regulations but certainly they look bad. the irs says it has a new policy to link conduct to bonuses for high-level employees.

how about this? late show host present and future coming face to face last night. stephen colbert made a highly anticipated visit to david letterman show which colbert will take over next year. >> they could have just as easily hibed soot boob like me but they didn't. >> they hired a boob like me. >> no. >> every boob is like a snowflake, dave. we're all unique in our own way. >> like snowflake. i didn't know that. colbert, of course, found time for this, a selfie with letterman and apparently told the audience he turned down an internship for letterman's first late night show when he was in college. >> what was the other internship if he turned it down? >> i don't know. >> i don't think he turned -- >> it was past my bedtime. >> i like it. i think it was a savvy move. people have to get introduced to colbert as the person he is as opposed to the character he. >> i suppose. >> that's going to be his challenge. >> it's surprise that they

didn't use the year to build up and make a big announcement. >> it might have been scary to the audience. that's the big test room. >> he has until this point. >> it's true. i've seen him on -- in and out of character. he's a very kop compelling, very smart guy. >> have you you ever seen colbert out of characterer? >> that's true. that's deep. >> double hit there. >> that is way too much deep for me. all right, coming up next on "new day," a seen age stowaway in the wheel well of a jet begs the question, are all our airports vulnerable? how secure are they? we're going the ask an aviation expert to weigh in. and on inside politics, a new election season but a familiar name. you're looking at him. bob dole. yes. 90-year-old highly respected former senator and presidential candidate barnstorming across congress, trading jabs with a certain republican. we'll tell you who and why. i'm mom at the playground and the dog park. the kids get trail mix,

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this flight. this flight was on kind of the far left of the airport. you can see it's highlighted right there. so, it was kind of the we say on the outskirts of the airport. he wasn't really walking all of the way through. that's just a little bit of perspective. and we all know that security around airports varies airport by airport. right? >> all correct. but in my experience the security plan usually adopts or incorporates a layered approach. what that means is various levels of security checks and defenses so you don't have a single point of failure. >> you've got a backup of a backup of a backup. >> that's just not airfields, that's a corporate building within new york, that's a forward operating base in afghanistan, or it's an international airport. >> let's walk through the layers of security that we are aware of at san jose's airport. first, they have some six miles of a barbed wire fence around the airport. he clearly bypassed that with what seems like no problem.

>> yeah. the usual first layer of defense as you rightly point out is a fence. now, that six miles of perimeter fence in the case of san jose international airport and it's also around six foot tall. so i don't know if we can see on the monitor. we have the fence earlier. i'm about 6'6''. the fence would be about this high. also the height -- about double the height. >> and then there's a barbed wire piece on top of that. if someone really wants to get over that fence it's not unconceivable they couldn't. >> there is your first layer of defense is the fence. he clearly bypassed that. secondly, you have security cameras. they say there are some 200 cameras at this airport. they don't have surveillance video of him getting over the fence. they do have surveillance video of someone they believe is him walking on the tarmac. but no one saw it at the time, obviously. >> yeah. and again, you know, there will be this security assessment of this whole international airport about where you put those cctv --

>> where are they generally? standard? >> if you've got a one-mile long piece of fence you're only going to need three or four cameras to monitor that. if you go back to the terminal buildings that you can see up there, you're going to have to have a lot more cameras because they're all lot more blind spots and angles and buildings. there are a lot more things for people to hide behind against. many in my experience will will always be a blind spot. >> there clearly was. when you look at the timeline, the little bit of the timeline they've given us, it makes it pretty clear that he was on either on the tarmac or in the plane for some seven hours before the plane took off. that's a big blind spot. >> if we go back to this layered approach. the air traffic control tower. if he jumps over the fence, first breach. air traffic control tower, it's tall. you've got a number of controllers in there, the whole purpose of it being there is they can see the whole airfield. there aren't any buildings on

the airfield. straight runways with a few aids to help the aircraft come down. anyone trying to walk across the airfield should be an easy target. that would really kind of be the second layer of defense. in may experience you have the caravan which have a controller in it and the purpose of that person is as the aircraft lines up on the threshold to get airborne, that's the final check. >> so then you're talking about the eyeballs. all of the people who could walk around the plane do, walk around the plane, that could have maybe should have seen something. you've got airport security, you've t got grounds crews, and you have the pile t lots. the pilots always doing a walk around. what the s. the responsibility? >> this for me is like the big key bit, the third layer of defense. you've got the baggage handlers, the catering staff, the little guy that driving the tow tug that pushes you out. that's looking at the whole

undercarriage of the airplane. as you rightly point out you've got the first officer, the captain, to do a preflight walk around. i'm speaking to a very good friend of mine who is a 767 captain and he flies to ghana quite a lot. there are various places around the world that airlines designate as stowaway risks. what that means is when the aircraft is on final approach and the wheels come down, these doors, the big doors a lot of us can come back up and that limb nates drag. if the aircraft is going to airfield that has a particular stowaway risk, what will happen is the engineers will press a button and drop those doors. if anyone has seen the footage of the 767 of gary climbing up into it, it's a huge area. and so dropping those doors allows the captain and first officer to have a good view. if those doors are closed, the only way in is up through the leg and through a little hatch. it's almost impossible to see anyone that would be hidden away in that little seat we saw from gary's correspondent piece. >> quick, from what you know, is

there one fix to this? i assume though this doesn't happen very often so the pilot might not be looking for a stowaway, especially at san jose airport. is there one fix for this? >> there isn't. the reality of this is security is a product of risk assessment and budget. the risks assessment gives you the threats, where the threats are coming from, the priorities and there isn't an endless pot of money. the person pay for it has to prioritize. in this case maybe there needs to be more priority on the cctv or the people doing the walk arounds and procedures and protocols need to be better. >> apparently this boy does not trying to do anything bad. you never know another time. >> there are more sinister affects of what potentially could happen. >> the banner said it all, kate. 15-year-old spent seven hours on the tarmac and nobody saw him. security failed. we're going to take a break on "new day." when we come back, an object of interest. that's what it's being called.

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welcome back to "new day." almost half past the hour. let's look at the headlines. breaking news. object of interest has been spotted in the search for flight 370. reportedly a long piece of metal with rivets found on the

australian coast south of perth. the search could wrap up in the next couple of days. bluefin-21 drone making the tenth unsuccessful dive overnight. it's canvassed over 80% of the search zone. south korea, divers searching the upper decks of the capsized ferry found no air pockets. this all but eliminates any hope of finding anyone alive in that sunken wreck. 150 bodies have been recovered. 152 people remain missing. in the meantime, two more crew members have been arrested, bringing the total to 11. some including the ferry captain face criminal charges. it appears the easter truce in ukraine is over. interim government says security operations targeting militants in the east are resuming. this follows a surge in violence amid mounting concern that last week's deal to ease tensions is unraveling. the pentagon is about to send 600 troops to eastern europe in response to russia's actions. those are your headlines at this hour. guys? >> let's check inside politics

on "new day" with mr. john king. still reeling from just the complete lack of boston strong, red sox are showing, red tie, disgrace to his neck as they sit at the bottom of the standings. is there any other news today? >> yeah, the bruins won last night. >> didn't they beat the red wings? >> we're going to set brat the bruins and pray for the red sox. more on that in just a minute. back to you guys in a minute. a busy day with me to share the reporting and insights. politico, "washington post." let's start with what i can call a lesson in political jegeograp. allyson schwartz run for governor of pennsylvania. she's doing something, listen here, very few democrats are doing this year. >> i worked with president obama on the affordable care act in getting health coverage to all americans. >> that's right. a democrat bragging about her support and her work for the

obamacare act. that's in pennsylvania. let's go to georgia now. michelle nun is the democratic candidate for the united states senate. democrat but it sounds like she's auditioning for the tea party. >> what's going on in washington has to stop. that's why i'm for banning members of congress from ever becoming lobbyists. i don't think congressmen should get paid unless they pass a budget. >> striking, ladies, to listen to those two democrats. let's start in pennsylvania. allisoyson schwartz is losing. that's a direct play to the base. >> she's behind. tom wolf, self-funded kean. looks like he has a better chance. she's behind. it's her attempt to break out of the pack. it would be interesting if she gets out of the pack whether or not she is still embracing and hugging obamacare in the same way. michelle nunn in a better position in georgia. remember, it's georgia. so she's got to run in a more conservative way down there in her first ad. she talked about her ties to

george bush. she, of course, rab tn the poin of light foundation down there. it's a tale of geography and tale of 'ing. one candidate not doing so well. the other one pretty well positioned. >> one thing i love about covering politics is the different pieceses of puzzle. but in pennsylvania if she succeeds, now, even if she doesn't win the primary, if she moves a lot, other democratic campaigns might take notice if that appeal works for the base. >> that's correct. that's something they're hoping for as you're dealing with the president's approval numbers. looking at that latest gallup survey we talked about yesterday. they're not exactly where most democrats would like it to be. if allyson schwartz is able to move things along. if michelle nunn is georgia is able to do it better. they're going to see it as very strong indication. >> she is smart in georgia, michelle nunn. she's reaching out to conservative democrats in her state who often vote republican when they send someone to washington. she's trying to do business

while the republicans fight among themselves. this is a senate race to watch. barack obama won it twice, blue state. republicans think they have a chance here to pick up a senate seat. terri is the woman candidate, former secretary of state. they are saying republicans are waging a war on women. here's her rebuttal. >> congressman gary and his buddies want you believe i'm waging a war on women. really? ity about that for a moment. ♪ i approve this message because as a woman i might know a little bit more a women than gary peters. >> good stuff. >> fantastic ad. it really is a fantastic ad. you have had republicans try to figure out how they push back on this war against women. the best way they are doing it, i think, is with women candidates. you see terri lynn land there in mi michigan. the same sort of language.

how can i be a waging war against myself, she said. >> this is also important for land if you remember she is being attacked by those in the state in michigan for saying that women in terms of payroll are looking for flexibility more than pay in terms of jobs. this is really an effort to humanize her, put a face on her that works as this national narrative they're also doing less. >> one of my favorite races in this career is bob dole run for president in 1996 against bill clinton and ross perot. it was clear dole was going to lose. bob dole is 90 now. he's back in kansas on what he calls a thank you tour. he's never shy about speaking his mind. here's what he said about a number of younger. ares positioning themselves to run for president. rand paul, marco rubio and that extreme right wing guy, ted cruz, all run for t president now? i don't think they've got enough experience yet. ted cruz took a shot at bob dole saying republicans keep nominating, quote, unquote, losers.

is he right in the sercsense th republican guy, nice guy, wasn't ready. three freshmen senator, barack obama was a freshman senator running, can somebody, a rick perry, jeb bush, cyhris christi, even says these guys are not ready? >> yes. that's why you say the governor's wing say the next nominee should be a governor. it's part of that buyer's remorse they feel like the nation should have, right, for nominating this first termer in president obama. >> reading a lot of coverage object bob dole i started my career covering kansas. it's fascinating. he also said our party has to stop running against things. the next nominee for our party has to stand for something. something that resonates and speaks to the rift you're seeing in the republican party not just nationally but in kansas where there's tense infighting against conservatives and moderate republicans. >> bob dole has been part of that tension throughout his career. if you love politics and can

read only one thing today read the dan ball's article in "the washington post" today about bob dole, a man who is a american hero. let's move on to the state department. she represents john kerry. but you think she might do her homework and expect a question about hillary clinton. >> can you off the top of your head identify one tangible achievement that was resulted from the last ddr? >> i am certain that those who were here at the time who worked hard on that effort could point out one. >> um, that should not be a surprise question, should it? >> no, hillary clinton obviously ambitions that we continually talk about although she's not giving us much to go off of. it shouldn't have been a surprising question. that answer is a reel for the republicans who are going to be criticizing her. >> that's right. she works for kerry now and there is this tension about

kerry versus clinton and he wants to be the big man on the state department's campus. so in some way she's doing her job. we all member jen on the campaign trail in 2008. you would go to jen tsaki. >> no becomobama/hillary tensioo you? >> yes. >> hangover 7, carry that over. when you need to know the president's schedule, reliable source to check, late night and the comedy. listen to jimmy fallon last night because he know where's the president is. >> president obama left for a week long trip to asia where he will visit japan, south korea, malaysia, and the philippines. obama said these countries all share the same wonderful quality, he doesn't owe any of them money. let's just skip china this time. >> i'm just going fact check jm my fa jimmy fallon, we do owe japan a

little bit. >> that's what i check every night. there's no other way to check it. not all of the people working a t the white house like you did for so many years. >> nine years. wonderful job. >> we'll stop. thanks, john. >> when jimmy fallon is on you are in your second cycle of rem sleep. not even your first, your second. >> that's right. you're saying that as if that's just me, not just you. >> you're a good sleeper. i'm up worried about things a that time about jimmy fallon. i would like to stay up and watch him. i don't know if it's just me or us but i feel like he is quickly becoming the man there in his own right in late night tv. i really do. >> he's been good. i like him. >> he's got a lot of different talents. i didn't know he knew the president's schedule. one more reason to watch. >> and he's smarlt. coming up next on "new day," following breaking news in the search for flight 370. officials working to verify if an object recovered on coast of australia just today is from the plane. what could built?

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breaking news in the search for flight 370. on object of interest has been found on the shore of western australia. it's described as a long piece of me tall with rivets. investigators have a picture of the object but it's not clear yet if it's connected to flight 370. let's bring in david soucie, he's a cnn safety analyst and author of "why planes crash." long metal with rivets. that's good. fiberglass attached. that's confusing. what does it mean to you when you hear fiberglass? >> well, fiberglass isn't something that's typically used, especially in the structural parts of the aircraft sp. so i'm a little concerned about that. fiberglass could mean a couple of different things to the untrained eye. it could be something else. i'm kind of wishy washy. i don't know yet until we see it. so many investigators said the more we look at it the less convinced that it has something

to do with an aircraft. i'm not putting a lot of stock in this yet until we see photographs and see the actual structure itself. >> surprise that in the press conference of the malaysian authorities, the interim minister of transportation there that he didn't even mention it until it was coaxed from a question? >> yeah. and i think they're just being super cautious, as they should be, about giving any false hope to the families. they've been through so much already. every single piece of information just loses its credibility immediately until it's proven. and again, we have no proof of anything at this point. to reach for straws is not a good practice, especially in his position. >> do you think that you're giving them too much credit in terms of saying it's because they don't want to give false hope to families? they've been pretty tough on the families. what do you make of their resistance to answering these 26 questions, refusal to give out the inmarsat data? >> you know, i think that they're just caught back on

their heels. there are so many of these questions that could be very simply answered. i don't know if they're just standing back on the we precedent that they don't have to because there's nothing forcing them to? but if you look at that in detail, icao rules they say should have a preliminary report out 30 days after accident. we're far beyond that. there's even anything close to what would be a preliminary report in which they would answer most of those questions that are out there. >> now, some 40 sum days into the story. tell people what icao rules are. >> yeah. the icao rules is a part of the -- it's an annex, annex 13 of nato. and so it's, say, set of rules that the countries, participating countries, have worked together to try to say, hey, we need to have some kind of standard on an international basis. it talks about accidents, when they should be there, who should

control the findings, who should control the investigation, and at this point annex 13 talks about the investigation authority which goes to malaysia because they're not only the country of ridge center for the aircraft, they're the country of operation for the airline and the owners of the airline as well. so almost everything points back to them when the aircraft crashes in international waters. but the annex rules are only enforceable by those countries that control them. at this point it's up to the countries duane warth is the ambassador to the icao to the united states and i haven't talked with duane yet but i intend to soon about why it is that they haven't pushed that icao rule of having a 30-day preliminary report. >> finally, david, one of the good things we heard is coming out of disaster you hope to get better going forward. one of the major recommendations in this preliminary report is that planes should be tracked in realtime. you happy to hear that and is it doable given the cost

constraints of the airline industry? >> you know, i think it is to some extent. even with the black boxes that we have now they started out with just a certain bit of finite data, altitude, heading, airspeed, and that sort of information initially when they first put black boxes on the airplanes. i think that what is practical is basic heading information, some location data information. the idea that all 10,000 points are -- there's actually 82 tracking points, but as many as 10,000 data points could be transmitted on a realtime basis is impractical at this point, i think. but there's a lot of information that with very little effort can be done to track the aircrafts so we can't just lose an airplane like we have right now. >> that would be good. david soucie, thank you very much. kate? >> thanks, chris. coming up next on "new day," a teen's unbelievable tale of survival has so many people wondering how he made it across the pacific ocean traveling

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welcome back to "new day." medical professionals remain shocked that a 15-year-old boy can survive a 5 1/2 hour flight from hawaii in the wheel well of a boeing 767.

joining me is a physician who successfully treated a stow away dr. dorian. what a pleasure to have you here. why don't you describe to us the condition of the stow away survivor that presented to you in the er back in 2000. >> back in 2000 the patient that rolled in by paramedics was not in the same state as this young boy. he was literally frozen, his armed were jutted out. he was moaning, unconscious, not alert. we had to do multiple critical measures to keep him alive. his core body temperature was below 80 degrees. we had to intube bate him, put chest tubes in. >> it was a miracle that he survived in your estimation? >> there's no question. i thought in my lifetime i would never even hear of another case like this, let alone hear of a case where the gentleman who was a stow away walks away from the

incident. >> let's get to that. you already compared the difference between that. quickly, before we move on, do you know if that man had lastion side effects? oftentimes you don't know the results many years later. do you know? >> actually he had no gross motor dysfunction, so something may actually be -- later on that may come up like depression, chronic headaches, but nothing obvious at the time he was discharged from the hospital. know that it was a month after he was admitted. >> interesting. okay. to this 15-year-old, he essentially an hour after the plane landed sort of came out of the wheel well mostly able to move on his own power. this is phenomenal. talk to me about what you think happened this this young man would present in a very different condition than the man in 2000. >> the planets all were aligned. this was a perfect storm of disaster that actually probably saved his life because when the airplane ascends, you lose

oxygen, the air gets thin as we would say in layman's terms, you would pass out in about a minute after being up there. also, the temperature drops. with the temperature dropping it actually starts slowing down your body's need for oxygen. it puts you in a frozen or some people termed it as a suspended state. something that we hear about with sci-fi. because your demand decreases, you don't need as much oxygen. you can be suspended in time until your oxygen is replenished. >> we know your patient passed out and doesn't remember a thing of his flight. we don't remember what this young boy remembers. he did tell police that he was unconscious for a time. what do you think it feels like for all of this to go on or do we know that because most people don't have a memory of it? >> i'm pretty sure he's 23409 going to have any memory or recollection. he'll probably remember the adrenaline rush of trying to

hide inside that wheel well, the beginning of that takeoff, and then a minute max, five minutes after that takeoff he's unconscious. the next thing he remembers, he's waking up and he's land already. maybe he thinks he didn't take off. he passes out and is in a completely different place. >> how unusual is it for a person to survive subzero temperatures, lack of oxygen for 5 1/2 hours and also that he didn't fall out of the landing gear. >> i describe it as winning the lottery five times in a row. the fashion in which he did it, i would think it was a poor tv show production if they had a kid walk out of a wheel well like this. it's really mind-boggling. >> the story he was telling us, he was trying to get home to somalia to see his mother. hopefully he'll get medical attention to deal with any issues that come up.

thank you for joining us from los angeles. >> that just does not make sense. i don't know how that kid managed to not have any effects of such extreme conditions. let's take a little break on "new day" to consider it. when we come back, an object of interest on the shoreline of western australia. could it be debris from flight 370? the death toll continues to rise in the south korean ferry disaster. why did so many victims fail to get out alive? we'll take you inside a simulator to get a better understanding of the life-or-death emergency at sea.

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good morning and welcome once again to "new day." we have breaking news in the search for flight 370. right now investigators are studying a piece of metal with rivets on it to see if it came from the missing plane. it was found along the shore of the western australia about three hours south of perth which has been the heart of the search effort. let's better rin mclaughlin in perth with the latest. any timeline on when we could

find out whether this is a piece of the plane? >> reporter: not at the moment, kate. we're hearing from the australian transportation and safety bureau martin dolan. he says the atsb is in the process of analyzing these photos. he described it as a metal object with rivets. a source inside the australian defense force telling cnn it appears to have a plexiglas coating. dolan says while the item is of sufficient interest, he says the more they look at the photographs, the less excited they're getting. he says the authorities have been given to malaysian authorities for analysis. earlier we heard from the malaysian transportation minister who says he is aware of the reports but has yet to see the photos. he says as of this morning, the tenth dive had been completed

with no objects of interest found in that under water search. back to you. >> joining us do break down the latest is mary schiavo and mr. david soucie, cnn safety analysts. let's qualify the reporting, mary. it is frustrating that in this last search area the 20% is going to take so long. as you told me earlier and bears repeating this is the toughest area to search because. >> because it's deeper than the other part they've already searched. in many cases maybe a mile deeper. it got to go deeper than the bluefin-21 can reasonably expect to do it. they have to bring in heavier equipment, different equipment and they'll have to get it from other places, probably from the united states. they've got to do retooling and go deeper. >> david, in terms of the frustration with progress, is it

just unreasonable to expect an answer and something that is so difficult when they're working off such thin data? >> you know, it really is at this stage. right now, as mary mentioned, too, it's no coincidence there's 20% left and yet 20% of the area is beyond the capability of the bluefin. that is probably the most likely area. it's directly below where the two-mile pings were coming from. at this point to expect the information to come from the bluefin is unreasonable. but why there isn't other information or other equipment out there already, that bears some questioning. >> we do understand that the aussies are asking for more equipment. maybe that's what they're doing, adapting to new conditions and constraints. we'll have to get more information on that. mary, what we know enough to talk about already, at the presser, the malaysian interim minister of transportation who has been running things says i can't talk about this object of

interest, i haven't gotten pictures yet. that would take all of about three minutes with an e-mail with a picture of the debris itself. what's going on here? >> it is surprising that they haven't looked at it and poured over it. all of us were so incredibly fascinated. it has hallmarks of being promises. it's a piece of metal with rivets on it. there are a million rivets on the wings and the fuselage of the 777. the part about fiberglass or plexiglas on it doesn't ring true. the insulation on a plane kind of looks like polymer bricks or pillows and it's lined up in the fuselage. that doesn't ring true. but the rivets in the metal rings true and you would have thought they would run to look at those pictures. >> a big curiosity for me. you have all this inmar sat data. there are probably tens of thousands of people on the internet and in this world who

understand it damn well. the question becomes why not be open and put it out there and say anybody who can crunch this kind of stuff, let's have at it. david soucie, why not? >> i can't really answer that, chris. >> you must, you must answer it, david. >> i must? okay. well, what i'll speculate is the information they have is either intellectual property of some kind, protected of some kind or there's potential down the road to become something they can market as a product. i really don't have the specific answer for why they would because, if it were me, it would be shared. i don't understand why they're not mary, why do you believe they're not releasing this data? >> i think because they gave the data to the malaysians and they're deferring to the malaysians. that's my suspicion. inmarp sat they would give away

for free any airline that wanted them to monitor their flights. i think they're deferring to the malaysians and once again the malaysians are being very secretive for no apparent reason. >> what's the best guess? you have a book over your shoulder, flying blind, flying safe. it seems to be what the two goals being balanced here in this investigation, that sometimes they just spit out data that seems to have no bearing to any facts and at the other time they're being super cautious. >> it's interesting you mention "flying blind, flying safe" which is a book i wrote about our own faa's incompetence. sometimes governments don't do what they're supposed to do is because they don't know what they're doing. we've been guilty of that ourselves. it's quite possible the malaysians are being secretive and covering things up because they're unsure of themselves. that's usually what you find behind government seek seerks incompetence. >> the good news is they made a

recommendation in this preliminary report that planes should be tracked in realtime. that will be great. we know they can do it now. we know they do it with military. the reason they're not doing it is inefficient administration and cost center animal sichlts in other words, they're cheap. do you think this may be a flash point that we move past that, mary schiavo? >> one can hope so. the airlines will never move past it unless we make it a regulation. the real pressure is going to have to come from the government no matter how much people put pressure on them, airlines do not respond except to regulation. >> david soucie, you're nothing but helpful. i was teasing you before, forcing you to answer. mary, you owe me because i hocked your book. you can make the check out to the chris cuomo pizza fun. also breaking this morning, no signs of life in the ferry that soak off the coast of south korea.

divers did not find any air pockets in the upper decks where they hoped. that's where they thought they might find some survivors. the death toll rising again as well. at least 156 bodies have been recovered. still 146 people remain unaccounted for this morning. cnn's nic robertson has the latest live in jindo, south korea. evening where you are once again. the search continues even into the darkness? >> reporter: it does. we've been watching the flares over the horizon where the search is going on, very bright tonight. we know as well on that search area a massive new ship to lead the search has been moved into place. nine times larger than the ship that was there before. we're told the area surrounding the ferry has been sealed off with nets. so no bodies, no divers can drift away in currents, but today news of perhaps the grimmest discovery so far. this sunken ferry now lies at the bottom of the yellow sea.

early this morning rescue divers completed their search of the ship's cafeteria where they expected to find many of the passengers but none were found. sadly, most of the grim discoveries were made near the students' cabins on the third and fourth levels. now divers say they've discovered no air pockets, meaning this may switch from a rescue to a recovery mission. this is the sewol crew has come under fire again with new details about the crew's conduct. south korea's coast guard told cnn the first emergency call was made by a boy on board a full three minutes before the crew made their call for help. local affiliate jtbc reported his first words to emergency dispatch were "help us, the boat is sinking." local korean media say many

other calls were made for help by students on help. a fisherman arrived as the ferry was capsizing. he says he saw no bodies in the water and was told everyone was saved, so he left. he is angry with the captain and with so many people on board, no one did anything. nearly one week later, the number of missing declines as the death toll continues to rise. for the families of the hundreds of young lives lost, it is all too much to bear. late today we've learned another two crew members have been arrested. that brings a total of 11 crew members arrested so far. we also learned today the ship's owner has had his office and his house searched by police. chris? >> we'll be looking forward to see what the investigation yields. nic robertson, thank you very much. also breaking the morning,

the situation in ukraine getting drastically worse. the interim government is stepping up security in the east where violence is quickly erasing an easter truce. cnn's fred polilik kin has the latest. >> reporter: they say they've relaunched what they call an anti-terror operation in the country after a top level politician was found dead in a river in one of the towns being held by pro-russian protesters, chris. the ukrainian intelligence and security services say the pro-russian separatists are behind his death. they say his body showed signs of torture. the pro-russian separatists blame what they call ukrainian right wing militant groups for all of this. certainly it is something causing the situation to escalate rather than to deescalate and the ukrainian government is saying it's playing tough. as part of launching the anti

terror operation, they say they plan to send additional military units into the eastern end of the country. but chris, we have seen in the last week when they tried this before, the ukrainian military didn't seem capable of conducting sophisticated warfare. they tried to send armored personnel care yees to fight, several of them were hijacked by the separatist. it's unclear how capable the ukrainian military is. >> that is a concern, the fact it's not deescalating. fred polite kin, thank you so much. new details about the 15-year-old stowaway. officials tell cnn the teen was trying to reach his mother in somalia. now some team are asking, if he can breach security, who else can. cnn's dan simons is in los

angeles with more? >> sounds like this is a kid who was very homesick. it gives a little insight into his state of mind he wound up in hoo hawaii but he apparently wanted to get to africa. the teenager told fbi investigators that he was trying to get to somalia to see his mother. >> he wanted to go back home. originally he's from africa. >> reporter: the buy who lives in santa clara california told classmates he missed his home country. why did he choose a-ha why eve an airliner? the fbi believes it was the first plane he saw. >> quiet kid. last person you'd suspect. >> reporter: students also say he was new to this public high school, only a few weeks. >> what can you del us about him? >> from what i know of, he was a really shy person. he didn't really talk a lot. he mostly kept to himself.

>> we're also learning more about the timeline, that the boy jumped the airport fence at about 1:00 a.m. sunday morning. the plane didn't leave until just before 8:00 a.m. which means he would have been on the tarmac or in that wheel well for approximately seven hours before it even took off. the flight itself was five hours. in san jose passengers expressing disbelief over how the teenager could go undetected. >> we're spending billions in tax dollars since 9/11, kind of scary sometimes. >> reporter: the 15-year-old is still in a maui hospital, said to be in very stable condition. child welfare officials are making plans to return him back to california. chris and kate, back to you. >> that story, i can't get enough of it. i really can't. weave got to figure it out. >> we need to hear from him. >> we will. just a matter of time. coming up on "new day," big question, is it a piece of the plane? officials are poring over photos of this object of interest.

metal, rivets. is it connected to the flight? malaysian officials say they haven't seen it yet. so many questions about the conduct of the crew as the south korean ferry began to list and then sink. why were passengers told to stay in place, stay on the boat? we're going to go live to a ship simulator to see what the crew and the passengers may have been up against. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough.

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good to have you back with us on "new day." right now investigators are studying a piece of metal that washed ashore on the west coast of australia south of perth.

they are trying to determine whether or not this could be debris from flight 370. what does this information tell us about a possible crash site? here is cnn meteorologist chad myers. we're at the magic wall together. let's talk about this. is it surprising to you given the fact they found this piece of metal with rivets on it this far but at the same time right in the area? does it surprise you this was found there? >> way down there, 1,000 miles from where they're searching for the body of the plane at the bottom of the ocean. there are a number of different theories that could make this happen. one, there was a 160-mile-per-hour cyclone right there when the plane went down. >> back in march. we were talking about the weather. >> we didn't care about it because we were searching down there. that's 1,000 miles away, who cares about the cyclone. now we do care where that cyclone was because it's obviously much more significant. here is what the ocean shield

has been doing for the past couple days. we do think it's going to continue to move around looking for it because there were other pings. we talked about these things, but these are 15 miles apart. this pinger is supposed to go one mile. how can the pinger be here and another ping be here 15 miles away? there are some tricks going on in the bottom of the motion. >> we talked about that the currents play games with the acoustics under water. this is the cyclone. >> a 160-mile-per-hour cyclone. that was jillian. in america we think all the hurricanes go like that? the cyclones go the opposite direction. let's see the debris was here, pushed south, south, south, so how could it get farther to the east back toward australia. this is what the current currents look like. >> this is really telling.

i'm not a mariner. chris would tell me otherwise about currents. you would think they go sort of in a more static kind of way. i can't believe the movement every which way. >> they're called eddies, they come around, spin this way, come back that way, come back around. if that debris was cause in an eddie here going around and around or even in the direction getting back toward australia, there's a long shore current that goes along australia and it could have deposited that debris right there. there's no way to know whether the rivets and the metal and the fiberglass are part of the plane here. i still believe there's stuff from the bonda after chi 2004 tsunami. this garbage could get anywhere. when you talk about putting a big hurricane cyclone in the middle of the garbage patch. >> you've got the hurricane, the

garbage patch and these currents, no wonder this is so mystifying. >> we have so many pings, ships driving around looking for pings and all this wind, all this weather. let's just talk about a piece of metal that's floating in the ocean but not sticking up. it goes with that current. if this metal has a little fin on it, it now becomes a sail and that sail moves that way and that way and with the wind. there's no question that a thousand miles from the search area -- >> not unreasonable at all. >> one-mile-per-hour, not at all. >> chad, looking at it that way, it makes you understand, kate and chris, how much these guys are up against. we've been talking about the search. >> not a doctor, but i play one on tv. >> we still wait for confirmation from australian authorities on what it is. up next on "new day," 156 dead and just as many

unaccounted for after the ferry disaster off the coast of south korea. why was it so difficult escape? we'll take you to a ship simulator for a look at the conditions. we have an interview you'll want to hear. you know the deadly avalanche that happened on mount everest. climbers are still there. we have one on the phone describing what they lived through, how a sherpa saved his life and all the trauma of the aftermath coming up. quiet! mom has a headache! had a headache! but now, i& don't.

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welcome back. time for the five things you need to know for your "new day." a piece of metal described as an object of interest washing up on the west coast of australia. it's being studied to determine if it is from flight 370. grim news in south korea where divers found no air pockets in the sunken ferry. no sign life. 156 bodies recovered. 146 people are still missing. president obama has begun a week long four nation tour of asia this morning, currently in japan. his next stop, south korea, then malaysian and the philippines later this week. the trip is meant to strengthen u.s. ties to that region. security operations targeting pro-russian militants are resuming in east ukraine, this move comes as last week's deal to ease tensions continues to

unravel. this morning two nasa astronauts aboard the international space station will conduct a space walk to discuss the failed backup on the space station. go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. there are new questions about whether the captain and crew were prepared to handle the disaster when the south korean ferry went under. we're joined by dave bolt, a similulator operator. rosa, can you hear me? rosa, can you hear me. >> yes. >> you're in the simulator with

dave. we say this with a heavy heart because it's a terrifying experience for anyone to go through, but to get a better understanding of what the crew and passengers were up against. first explain what you're looking at, what we're looking at here. >> this is a bridge simulator. we are at resolve maritime academy. this is dave bolt. he's the one that guides us and tells us what to do. what are we looking at? >> this is a full mockup of a bridge, integrated bridge system, radars, auto pilots, engines, thrusters, automated systems. exactly what you'd see on the ship. >> you can also add complexities to this particular bridge. you can see there's rain, thunder, we can almost feel like we're on a ship. we're going to be adding complexities as we go along this morning, to give you a sense of what it's like to be on the bridge and make those split second decisions from a captain's perspective. >> how you make those decisions

and how much time it takes is the key to the mystery of what happened to the ferry in south korea. dave, one of the things we know while there are many variables still, that the ferry began to list quite dramatically before it began to sink. can you put us through that and describe what the crew and all the passengers were experiencing at that time? >> we can show you what it might look like. if the ship is sitting at a large angle and not coming back, you know something is wrong, all the crew, all the passengers would know there was an issue at this point. >> when do you make the call for help. there's a big question of when the crew called for help and what the ship was doing at the time. as experienced as you are, when do you know that you're not going to be able to correct this? >> it depends completely on the situation. if you're stuck at a large angle

and you have passengers and crew that need to get off, the sooner the better obviously. >> one of the things, kate, we were able to do is this company trains crew members as to how to deal with very stressful situations. we actually have video of this model ship haul. take a look at this video because you're able to see water rushing into this ship, and they train crew members to first of all assess the situation to figure out where the water is coming from and then to use some basic tools to try to plug in the holes. i was talking to these guys. they tell me, we've even used mattresses. they try to use anything around them to figure out how to stop that tragedy. from talking to dave here, when that's happening, dave, on the bridge, what are you communicating to your crew members?

how important is it for you to communicate with your crew members as to what they should be doing at that point in time? >> it's vital and on ships you drill for that every month, you drill for fires, disembarking on life boats. all the crew members need to know exactly what their job is, where they need to be in any different situation. >> what about training for everyone on the bridge, the captain, first mate, second mate. is everyone trained to do the same thing? >> yes. they'll be a difference in experience, different ages of people. everybody on the bridge needs to be able to navigate the ship and do generally the same thing. captain is not going to be up here at all times. when they're here, they're in charge of the vessel. >> rosa, let me jump in. one of the questions that a lot of folks have right now is when do you make the distress call? we're learning this morning the first emergency call from that

farery they believe may have come from a boy who called 911, a passenger on the ship, that was some three minutes before the crew made their first distress call. is that surprising to you? >> i don't know exactly what happened there. depending on the case, the passenger may think there's a large problem that's not a problem. in this case it seems like they were late making that decision. every situation is different. i don't know how to answer that. it's the captain's call and you hope the captain makes the right call. >> i'm looking at -- as we're continuing to watch your image of what you're standing with and it's listing dramatically to the side. what's going on right where you are when you know you're not going to be able to correct, that something has gone wrong, the ship, yes, goes back and forth as ships do, what are the conditions when you know this is not going right and this could

potentially be a disaster? >> again, it definitely depends on the exact situation, depends where you are. if it's warm water, cold water. if it's cold water you've got to think twice about evacuating. you need to be sure that you really have to do that. it depends. it all comes down to training and experience. >> kate, we really want to show you another perspective. we've got a second camera that can give you what passengers would be looking at at this particular degree. take a look at the camera, you can see how close those life boats are to the water. it gives you a more passenger perspective, perhaps people on a balcony. a different perspective of what you would get on the bridge, but what passengers would be seeing. >> really showing you time is of the essence and how difficult it could have been for the crew. of course, the passengers trying to maneuver their way to the ship when it made this dramatic list to the side.

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welcome back to "new day." we're following a potential new lead in the search for flight 370. an object of interest, as it's being described, found on the western coast of australia south of perth. the object described as a long piece of metal with rivets on one side. it's believed to be en route to the town of bunbury. miguel is there and joins us by phone. what do you know and why is it heading to this town? >> reporter: as we understand it's in the town of buzzal ton. we stopped in bunbury. police there and across the area are very aware of the possible significance of this piece of material. they are referring all discussion of it to federal authorities. it was found east of a town called augusta which is even further south of perth and where we are right now. the part that's interesting about that is this is a south-facing part of the

australian continent. it would be extraordinarily difficult for a piece from that plane with the currents it's facing to end up on this south-facing beach but it is possible. the authorities here treating it with every amount of urgency that they can to get photo ts, to have the piece in police custody and move it to test it to see whether or not it actually came from mh370. kate, chris, back to you. >> miguel, thank you. let's bring in cnn aviation analyst michael kay. great to have you, as always. possible? anything is possible. probable? let's see how we get there. the yellow is the ping area where they targeted the search zone. the red is marking where perth is. the purple is where this thing, this object of interest showed up. how do you get from here, assuming here is relevant, real and worth being searchable to there if you're an object for

the plane. >> i think it's the unpredictability of the ocean currents. this is down to the where, the what and the why. that time frame could be years, five years, ten years. the critical piece of all this is the where. why? because of the families. we need to give the families closure. we can give the families closure potentially three ways, by identifying se brie on the surface or getting the black boxes. we know the probability is we'll find something on the surface. so this is key. let's rewind back today one. do you remember on day one we had the satellite images and then we saw the australian prime minister come out and there was this false storm about the possibility of debris being linked to mh370. and we saw a number from satellite images. that's all dried up. it's dried up because of this false storm. i think angus houston realized it was very important to have

something unequivocal and conclusive rather than giving these pictures and satellite images. so the thing for me is this is a piece of evidence that is over and above what they have found over the last two weeks. we have not heard anything over the last two weeks. i think that's critical. >> metal and rivets sounds like an airplane. but metal and rivets, you find them on container, ship hulls. could be different things that would find their way into navigable waters. >> exactly right. one of the things we're all learning is precedence. it's important to point out. every day is an education day. every day is a school day. we know this part of the area is full of ocean debris. i think we're learning every day and important to note that there is a lot of debris in this area. what i would say is we know there are cyclones coming through this area. >> right. they spin things into the coastline. >> exactly, they mix it all up,

but the one thing with the inclement weather and cyclones is you can't conduct an air search. there's 12 aircraft out there, p3s, p8s. let's point out the guys and girls have been doing an incredible job since day one. they can't fly in these conditions. so why don't we start looking a little more towards the coastal region? it's been 47 days. >> how would you rationalize doing that? >> the aircraft that can't fly over this area, you're one or 200 miles off the coast. the transit times will be a lot shorter. >> but why would you think you have any clans of finding it here when you think it's here. that wrerk kaj if it's on the bottom wouldn't move that far. maybe something floating on top. >> we know because of the weather conditions, the way the currents move in this part of the world, it's an almost impossible search area. if it's something that's turned up down here and we've been

informed of it it wouldn't make sense that after 47 days that this could actually be something, but is it going to be something on its own, or is it going to be linked. to me there has to be more evidence, more debris, more something to corroborate that piece of debris. >> it also sounds like you're saying even if this object of interest ends up not being connected to this flight, you still think they should consider moving in their search range closer to the coast because of practicality of what it takes to fly and where the waters seem to take things? >> it's an impossible judgment call. angus houston, what he'll be thinking about when he goes to bed is how does he find something that lynn, it to mh 370 so he can approach the families and say this is the final resting place of the jet. it's an impossible task because

the oceans move. you go to a search area and look at a square kilometer one day and you can go back and it will be replaced with a different body of water the next day, so it's an impossible task. they're going to be coming on this arc. we know about the arc from the inmar sat. the problem is the assumptions. we don't know what assumptions of speed -- remember we talked about the aircraft coming down south. we don't know what height it flew out. don't know what speed it flew at. we don't know what the fuel burn was, therefore, we don't know what the distance was. anything along this arc is fair game. the thing that's drawn us into this location is the pings. once we clear that area out, it's back to the arc and potentially other areas like this on the coast. >> one more reason people would argue that you should open up the inmar sat data and the let the best minds available get at it to get answers sooner rather than later. i appreciate the analysis, mike.

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friday's ave. land v. it could have a huge impact on whether or not climbers will be able to go up with their expedition this is year. john rider is an american who is climbing everest. he says a sherpa saved his life getting him out of the way of that deadly avalanche. he's in nepal and joining us by phone. are you hearing us okay? >> i am, yes. >> tell us, first, what are the current conditions up there and the situation with the sherpas? >> we've been in turmoil over the last few days and everyone trying to figure out how to handle and how to treat this unprecedented situation. so everest will close this year. >> do you feel it is the right decision? >> i do. i do. >> you say it was a rough last couple days. tell us about it. >> just bringing the deceased down from the ice fall and bringing them in to base camp, it was a tough scene for everybody to take. these are the fathers and

brothers of a lot of these people here. i think it was the right thing to do. it's hard to gather the momentum we need to get up this mountain at this point. >> when you were there in the ave. land v, describe what it was like trying to deal with it and what your sherpa did to help save your life. >> when the avalanche came down, it was a bit overwhelming. a lot of thoughts go through your head quickly. but the sherpa is so used to this situation, they've been up through the ice fall so many times, he quickly -- he quickly started yelling get down, get down and pushed me behind a large block of ice. >> what would have happened if you didn't have the sherpa with sglou. >> i don't know. i don't know. it was a big avalanche. we're really grateful to have them. they're -- we can't climb this

mountain without them. >> how is he doing? >> he's doing okay. he's an amazing man. he's been climbing everest for 24 years. when a lot of the sherpa walked out of here, he came back. he came up here today and he and i talked about it. he really wants to stand by my side. he said, jon, i can't go back up this hill. >> the walkout, what is it about as you understand? >> well, they want the government of nepal to improve their conditions, to provide life insurance and to take care of the families of the deceased. they're right. it's overdue. they're going to get the government eefs attention and the world's attention. everest is closed. there's a lot of people here. we're all going to start moving downhill tomorrow. >> when we hear the word avalanche, when we see it on

video, that's one thing. but to be in it, i'm sure it's a much more massive and awesome experience to have to try to suffer through. what is it like to feel and see and hear what's coming at you when you're on that mountain? >> it was shocking actually. when the avalanche came down, it's hard to describe everything that goes through your head. you're not sure how close it is, you don't know who is under it. you don't know if you're going to get swept off. you don't know if you should film it. all these thoughts go through your mind. when the -- after impact and the burst came down through the valley, it was exciting. it definitely will get your attention. so you just want to hunker dourn and let it blow past you and hope for the best. >> jon, you're an experienced climber. after something like this that was so deadly and came so clois to taking you as well, any

reservations about whether or not to continue this type of climbing? >> sure. everybody up here has reservations. when you see the helicopter flying from camp two or camp one having a cable underneath it and dangling from the cable is a body. over and overthrow out the afternoon, you can't help but think that could be me. i have a 12-year-old little boy at home. we all have reservations. >> jon, it's horrible to hear about the loss of the sherpas and all they mean to each other and their families and to you and the other climbers as well. thank god you weren't one of them this time. thank you very much for joining us on "new day" and telling us the story. i wish you safe passage back down the mountain and back to your family. >> all right. thanks for your time. >> jon, be well. kate? coming up, we all have something to be thankful for

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♪ time for "the good stuff." the boston marathon went on without a hitch. but not without a few surprises. one of the sweetest came from chrissy yomata. last year she was halted by the bombings. she knew she was going back. this time she was bringing a message. >> in the summer, i started thinking about the registration, what will i do to go back and be thankful and grateful. that's all i could think of is everyone is hurt. how do i help heal? >> first of all, she's awesome. second she writes hundreds of thank you notes. she handed them out during the race to spectators all along the route. the note reads in part, quote, you choices of how you spend your time. it means a lot that you are out here cheering us on.

without your support, racing does not mean anything. many spectators were surprised to get the notes. >> i got so many nice reactions from it. people -- lots of hugs and people saying, are you kidding me? thank you for running. i wanted to thank them. i said thank you, this is about you today. that's what i said. >> talk about a grand gesture from somebody who is running 26.2 miles. >> not only running over 26 miles. >> trying to breathe, trying to stay on my feet. way more than a run. >> i love that message of deciding to take gratitude, to counteract fear, apprehension, anxiety, trauma, whatever. >> saying the thing i say every time, it's the similar things. >> it is. >> acceptance of what happened. gratitude you made it through if you did and turning that into compassion for everybody else. what happened up there was special in a terrible way and in a beautiful way. we see that.

human nature always steps up. a lot of news to get to. we'll take you to the newsroom and ms. carol costello. >> thanks, have a great day. >> thanks, have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now, a tantalizing bit of debris washes up on the australian shore. >> he describes the object as sheet metal attached to something with rivets. >> australia will not rest until we have done everything we humanly can to get to the bottom of this mystery. plus no air pockets. hope for a miracle fades as more crew members are taken into custody. >> we're learning a young student on board the ship was first one to call emergency services. also, a message for russia. u.s. troops arrive in eastern europe. >> no nation has the right to simply