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my grandmother, is the good stuff. >> great to have in the family. good genes you've got there little one. tonight be sure to watch the series finale of "chicagoland." it airs at 10:00 p.m. eastern, 9:00 center. the news continues with "newsroom" "newsroom" and carol costello. >> have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening in the "newsroom." the bluefin-21 mission almost complete. >> as of this morning completing its 12th mission, having traversed 90% of that very narrowed search area. >> still no sign of flight 370. >> we must try to explore all possible options. >> the u.s. is teeing up another round of sanctions. >> president obama doubling down on sanctions. >> we continue to see malicious and armed men taking over
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buildings. we have been preparing for the prospect that we're going to have to engage in further sanctions. those are teed up. >> are words enough as pro-russian militants again storm ukrainian buildings? plus the millionaire with no face? startling details about the man whose family controls the ferry company in south korea. charges of fraud, corruption. he was even a religious cult leader. you're live in the cnn "newsroom." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me. three american medical workers have been killed in a shooting rampage at a hospital in afghanistan. the attack apparently by an afghan police guard. it raises more doubling doubts about the stability of afghanistan and washington's plans to dramatically scale back
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the presence of u.s. troops there. let's get more on this latest flash of violence. ser rye yeah del legal is afghan's minister of health and joins us from kabul. welcome. >> thank you. >> this took place at a hospital in kabul, in afghanistan. can you take me through what happened as those medical workers entered the building? >> yes. this incident happened this morning in the hospital in kabul. it happened at 9:46 a.m. when the doctor working in the hospital was receiving his guests or visitors at the gate after hospital where a police officer started shooting, and the doctor himself who is a pediatrician was killed, and two of the visitors were killed.
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three were killed, all are americans. one of the visitors was injured. she has undergone medical treatment and her condition is stable and good at this stage. >> minister dalil, this was an american doctor. had he been working in this hospital for a long time? >> yes, he was an american doctor working in this hospital for the last seven years. one of the senior staff of this hospital whom i know personally, and i met him twice at least in the last couple of years. >> are you able to release his name? >> i'm not able to release his name at this stage. but i know that he was very committed and dedicated to the hospital and to overall health
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care in afghanistan. let me say that this is a very tragic and sad incident that happened on the premises of a hospital, and we have all been very moved with this event. >> why would someone target an american doctor whose only goal was to help the afghan people? >> we don't know the motive behind this behavior of this police officer. he was wounded himself, too, and he is in the same hospital. in a few minutes he was moved to the operation theater and has undergone surgery operation. so that's yet to be investigated. we don't know the details. i don't know the details. but a very sad outcome is that a
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doctor, a senior pete trigs who has been working for a couple years in afghanistan and two of the visitors who were also medical staff are killed. >> there is some belief that american civilians are now being targeted in afghanistan as well as american troops. from your perspective, is that true? >> i don't know. what's important for us, for the ministry of health is making sure that the hospitals and the clinics are up and running and we provide care to the population including children and adults. this hospital has been one of the good hospitals in kabul who have been working -- that have been working for the last couple of years providing care for children as well as for adults. and i think the message here is
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that security and staff safety is fundamental when it comes to health care, too. and those kind of incidences could impact motivation of staff and also there's an outcome their work, their work and their services to the people. >> all right. soraya dalil, afghan's minister of health, thank you for joining us this morning. we did confirm that one american doctor was killed in kabul in a hospital there along with two people who were visiting him. the gunman at fault, according to of gan stan authorities, is now in the hospital getting treatment. he was also wounded in this attack. hopefully we'll know more later. we're also learning the cure international, the organization that runs this hospital will hold a news conference at the top of the hour. of course, we'll monitor that.
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now let's head to the pentagon and cnn's barbara starr. barbara, what do you make of this? >> reporter: carol, we have seen a number of attacks against civilians, americans. just a couple weeks ago, very sadly, two journalists for the associated press killed in eastern afghanistan when an afghan security officer fired shots at them. actually an afghan journalist working for a french news service, he and his family killed during a taliban attack in a hotel in kabul. so the civilian targets, if you will, are proving to be the ones that are easier perhaps for people to go after, for perpetrators to go after because they perceive they have less security. but for the americans right now, afghanistan at a very critical crossroads. where they have that presidential elections, the results expected to be announced
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in the next daw fu days. that election saw record turnout by afghan voters. these people want a peaceful, stable country if you go by voter turnout. that's what the majority of afghans are looking for. when a new president is finally announced, the key question will be will that new president sign the security agreement that would permit u.s. troops to stay after the end of this year. all indications are a new president will sign that agreement. some numbers of u.s. troops will stay. there are 33,000 americans still on the front lines in afghanistan. the big question is how many will be there next year once all of this political process in afghanistan is done and will a new government in afghanistan be able to better control security. carol? >> barbara starr reported live from the pentagon. the search for malaysian airlines flight 370 is in its 40th day.
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many pinned high hopes on the bluefin-21 to find some sign of the ship, of the black boxes. the underwater drone is in its 12th mission, 90% done. so far it has turned up nothing. now, the families of those on board that missing jet are trying a new tactic to try to get answers. they're turning directly to the jet's maker, boeing. >> we're also extending our reach now. there's a subset of those questions including some new ones that are much more technical that we will be bringing directly to boeing. boeing has a shareholder's meeting next week. if we're not getting information directly from malaysian airlines and the malaysian government, we might as well try to go direct tloi the source. boeing is a publicly-traded company in the united states. that puts them in a position of a little bit more fiduciary responsibility. >> erin mclaughlin is in perth, australia, with the latest on the search. where does the effort go from here, erin? >> reporter: hi, carol.
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they're talking about broadening out the search area now. i wanted to chat a little bit about that object of interest that we discussed yesterday that was found off the coast of western australia, about 190 miles from here. authorities have since ruled it out as being connected to mh370. cnn has managed to obtain photos of that object. looking at them, it is easy to see why authorities are so interested in this piece of long metal with rivets. in the end it turned out to be just another lead transformed into disappointment. meanwhile mh370, the search continues. they're talking about introducing more powerful under water submersibles. the bluefin-21's mission nearly complete. scouring the targeted search area with a six-mile radius where investigators say flight 370 would have likely crashed.
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but still no sign of the 777. the object of interest found off the coast of augusta, australia, wednesday, another false alarm. a piece of metal bearing no leads. >> in the next few days we'll be talking to other entities to look at possibility of increasing the assets for the next phase. >> reporter: investigators now likely to widen the search area dramatically and import more equipment like the orion, the sonar system that can travel a mile deeper than the bluefin and stay under water for weeks on end. or the curve, a remotely operated vehicle that can recover wreckage as deep as 20,000 feet. both devices towed by cable in order to withstand inclement weather. search planes drastically scaled back due to rain, pour visibility and heavy sees from cyclone jack. then the remus 6000, it located
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the wreckage of air france flight 447 in 2009 two years after the plane crashed in the south atlantic ocean. this is the initial shot of the air france debris captured by remus. >> we must try to explore all options. as i said previously, the search will always continue. >> reporter: we understand australian and malaysian officials are in the process of hammering out a potentially longer-term agreement based on a malaysian proposal. it includes possibly broadening out the search area and introducing more of those high-tech submersibles. expect them to reach that agreement within the week, carol. >> erin mclaughlin reporting live from perth, australia this morning. thank you. the crisis in ukraine continues to deepen and tensions spreading far beyond the country's borders are worrisome, too.
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dutch fighter jets scrambling after two russian bombers entered their aerospace. british military jets would later escort those jets out of the area it highlights the anxiety of nato partners over russia's actions. the interior minister saying five pro-russian militants are dead following a crash at a roadblock in slavyansk. that has rush's president putin talking tougher. putin says the military operation against pro-russian protesters is criminal and will have consequences. president obama is keeping close tabs on the situation in ukraine. in the midst of his tour of asia, the president had a warning for russia. >> we have been preparing for the prospect that we're going to have to engage in further sanctions frnlt those are teed up. it requires some technical work and it also requires
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coordination with other countries. so the fact that i haven't announced them yet doesn't mean that they haven't been prepared and teed up. >> white house correspondent michelle kosinski is traveling with the president. >> reporter: hi, carol. the shadow of the ukraine crisis looms large. today it followed president obama all the way here to tokyo where he addressed the issue. we heard directly from him that expanded u.s. sanctions against russia are teed up, ready to go and apparently imminent. in fact, he said we're looking at days, not weeks of this watching and waiting, seeing if russia will live up to what it said it would do when one week ago it signed this agreement in geneva, saying it would take concrete steps to deescalate the situation. it seems that that has not happened in any regard. and president obama has said that he, himself, is not overly optimistic, not hopeful that that would happen. >> so far at least we have seen
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them not abide by the spirit or the letter of the agreement in geneva. instead we continue to see militias and armed men taking over buildings, harassing folks who are disagreeing with them and destabilizing the region. we haven't seen russia step up and discourage that. my expectation is, once again, russia fails toob bide by both the spirit and the letter of what was discussed in geneva, that there will be further consequences and we will ramp up further sanctions. >> reporter: president obama said at this point it wouldn't take much for russia to change course, even if that only meant to stand up and commit to the agreement it signed publicly or to call on militants to disarm and give up those government buildings that they seized inside ukraine. president obama acknowledged, though, that sanctions might not
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work. just as russia is again blaming ukraine for the violence and the situation itself, might not change the calculus of russian president vladimir putin in that region. still to come in the "newsroom," a ship capsizes and water rushes in. a nightmare scenario for crew members, but it's a disaster most train for. cnn's rosa flores is in a simulator in ft. lauderdale. >> reporter: good morning. this is a bridge simulator at resolve maritime academy. i want to give you perspective of what passengers would be looking at when this ship starts listing. this is the perspective from passengers. i'll let your know what crew members would be doing at this point to correct it. all that and much more after the break.
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in south korea more crew members of the sunken ferryboat are under arrest. police paraded out the latest workers for failing to adequately protect the lives on board. the captain and 13 crew members are now charged. in the meantime, the number of confirmed deaths rises to 171. 130 others are missing. as you know, many of those lives could have been saved had safety measures been put into place, had the crew done its job properly. cnn's rosa flores is in a bridge simulator in ft. lauderdale to tell us what should have happened. good morning, rosa. >> reporter: good morning, carol. i'm at resolve maritime academy. what you're looking at is a bridge wing simulator. i want to take you to the actual
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bridge of this particular ship to introduce you to david boldt who will be helping us today. dave, first of all, tell us what ship we're on in this particular scenario. >> this is a large cruise ship, based on an actual cruise ship. >> in this particular case, what port are we snon. >> we've just left port everglades and we're turning the ship south towards miami. >> at this point, are you worried about anything in particular when you're leaving port? >> not really. at this point you have a lot of people on the bridge t. engine room is manned. you're watching everything carefully. you're near your grounding lines. there's going to be traffic. this is a well-controlled part of the passage. >> once we're in open sea, then we have perhaps more currents, more waves. at that point are you monitoring anything specifically? >> really with currents and waves, that's normal stuff for ships. so it's not that big of an issue. if you have a strong current like here with the gulf stream,
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the whole body of water is moving north at a few knots normally. if you're heading for the bahamas, you're heading one way over the ground but actually steering in another direction. >> which is interesting. you're going one direction and steering the other. >> that's right. >> let's try making a turn on this ship so you can give us a sense as to what that would look like. and at any point in time, given all the factors that we've added, currents and now we're turning. can a shape take that? >> absolutely. under normal circumstances this kind of leaning is called heeling. that's external forces, winds, turning, nothing in the ship has moved. when it becomes aaron you, internal weight haves moved and then it's listing. >> if you can start listing at about 60 degrees for me so we can show people what this perspective actually looks like. that's the perspective from the bridge. but i also want to show you the perspective that passengers would get in this particular
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scenario. we're back to this bridge wing simulator. if you can see at this point the water is very close to the life boats. it's very close to the balcony. save, i've got to ask you, at this point, if you're on the bridge and you're in control of this ship, what is it you would be doing and your crew members would be doing and trained to do to correct this? >> rosa, if you're listing like this and everybody knows there's an issue, your reaction would depend on what the actual situation is, if it's because of shifted cargo, flooding, you're aground, but crews train for this. in this situation everybody on board has a job to do. right now they would be heading for their emergency stations. >> there's a protocol. carol, one of the big takeaways of all these different scenarios is cruise liners come here to practice these scenarios so that in the case of something happening, they're prepared to follow that protocol. >> let's say it was shifting
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cargo, dave. what would happen? what would happen? would the crew run down and try to right the cargo? what's the protocol? >> if it's a very small list, that's possible. depending on the cargo, there are going to be different issue. generally that's something that has to be corrected in port. the ship has to get back to port and you need heavy equipment to do that kind of job. it would have to be done slowly and carefully. >> there's little you do if you're out in the middle of water of heavy cargo shift when the ship starts to list. >> any major shift of cargo needs to be corrected in port. >> one of the other things dave was mentioning, there are different dangers. when you have cargo in a ship that you wouldn't consider than if you just have passengers? >> absolutely. every cargo has its own issues, whether it is passengers, you wouldn't want to call them cargo. passengers have their own issues. carrying timber, carrying containers, fuels. >> different metals perhaps.
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>> you have metals that can liquify under the wrong conditions and cause big stability issues. every different trade, different sailing in different parts of the world, carrying different things, different ships, they're all a bit unique that way. >> different challenges. >> rosa flores, dave, thanks so much. later this hour those arrested crew members paraded before photographers, publicly shamed for their alleged crimes. wheel talk to the south korean expert about the country's culture of shame. be a sound sleeper, or...l you a mouth breather? well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right.
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after a new round of violence in the crisis in ukraine, vladimir put tin is placing the blame on the interim government of kiev, saying the unrest of the eastern part of yu crane proves russia's decision to annex crimea was the correct one. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto joins me now. jim, vladimir put tin again has some tough words. he say it is actions going on right now in ukraine are criminal and there will be consequences. he doesn't seem to be backing down at all. >> not at all. the real dangerous thing here, carol, is that russia seems building the rationale for military action inside ukraine. yesterday you had the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov say any actions by the ukrainian government by ethnic russians in ukraine would be considered an attack on the russian federation. now you have putin with his comments today and calling the
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ukrainian military action there a serious crime. this puts the ukrainian government in a very precarious situation. if they don't act to retake these half a dozen eastern cities from pro-russian militants, they're seeding control of the eastern part of their country to russia. if they do act which is what they sdoer doing now and more aggressively in the last 24 hours, they're in effect giving russia what it wants which is justification for further action in eastern ukraine. it's a very precarious situation. everybody watching including u.s. officials if russia is going to make more aggressive moves inside ukraine. >> what if it does? what if russia sends in troops to rescue the russian citizens that are now in danger in eastern ukraine. what happens then? >> reporter: one thing we know is the u.s. is not going to react and the west is not going to react militarily to actions inside ukraine. the president reiterated again
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today there's not a military solution do this problem. they want a diplomatic solution, so the consequence also be, as the president has referenced today, more economic sanctions against russia. what does it mean for ukraine? it means you have the makings of a civil war. that's the real danger here. we already saw some violence today. ukrainian forces moved into one eastern city. there were reports of five people killed as those ukrainian forces challenged the pro-russian militants. that can be a similar herring civil war where you have clashes like that. it could escalate if russia sends in more significant forces. we talked about this a lot. there are 40,000 to 50,000 russian troops right now poised on the eastern border of ukraine. >> jim sciutto, thanks for your insight this morning. i appreciate it. >> great to talk to you. we'll be right back. matt ] g better than the smell of fresh-cut grass is the smell of perfectly level, fresh-cut grass. that yellow seat's my favorite chair.
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the bluefin-21 almost done with its mission. 90% done, if you want me to be specific. still, after six weeks, no sign of flight 370. it has a lot of people asking, isn't there a better way to track a plane the size of a boeing 777? visual scans, ping detectors and underwater robots haven't exactly been the answer so far. what about a realtime -- what about realtime flight data tracking? brian todd joins me from washington to tell us more about this. good morning, brian?
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>> good morning, carol. we can stream movies on our laptops. we can stream music instantly on our phones, but the live streaming of data is only used on a few commercial airliners, and some key players in this case might have just injected new momentum in the push to change all of that. >> the black boxes from flight 370 are as illusive as its wreckage. inside the cockpit voice and flight data recorders that can unlock this mystery. cnn has earned malaysian authorities have recommended to international regulators that commercial aircraft should be tracked in realtime. >> is it time for that? are these obsolete? >> i feel there's few people in the world today after the malaysian air crash who wouldn't say yes. clearly this is old technology. >> reporter: now the ntsb is reviewing new technical to live stream data back to the ground as they fly. one challenge, too many planes transmitting too much
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information. >> you only can have so much bandwidth, so much ability to receive data, transmit data. so you're looking for what is the most important information? >> two canadian companies have already developed realtime streaming that bounces off satellites. the hardware looks like this when it's installed in a plane as the jet is flying on the right. the airline's operators on the ground can see information on the left like airspeed, altitude and location in realtime. but it doesn't transmit all the time. >> it's only activated when a specific set of circumstances occur that are pre defined. >> pre defined by the airline, circumstances like the plane deviating from its flight path, a sudden pitch or roll. these systems don't send back the cockpit voice recordings. >> we have a cultural problem with the airlines and the airline unions. they don't want big brother in the cockpit. >> the faa doesn't require american carriers to outfit their jets with live streaming.
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the canadian companies tell us only a few u.s.-based airlines carry them. they won't say which ones. why aren't more major airlines utilizing live streaming. >> it's cost. they don't want to carry anything that adds weight and costs more fuel. >> reporter: these live streaming systems are certainly not cheap. they cost about $100,000 per plane. analysts say if the malaysian airlines missing plane had had live streaming data, we would have more answers right now. michael goldfarb, the former faa chief of staff we interviewed said this case could be a game-changer in this debate. >> brian todd from washington. thank you. for more of this let's bring in cnn analyst david soucie and stephen goelz. how likely is it that streaming
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will become a reality in all flights? >> i think michael gold farm is correct, that this accident will be a game-changer, but it's going to take pressure to get the international aviation community to act promptly. iko, the group in montreal that oversees international aviation is notable only for its inability to act quickly. we need to push this and push hard. getting realtime streaming, all of the objections can be answered and answered easily. >> i just want to back up a little bit. flight 370 went missing because of a series of mishaps. human error enters into this, too, right? >> it certainly does. >> go ahead, david. >> it definitely does.
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something to point out, too, this aircraft did have communication. we did have the way to track it. what happened was that the transponder was turned off. if the transponder had stayed on, we'd still have tracking information. it was either turned off or it failed or there was something that took it out. i think there's something overlooked. yes, i believe streaming data needs to happen, constant surveillance needs to happen. but that's also part of the next gen program coming up with the faa in that the adsb in and out would provide information to all the aircraft around a certain area that would be tracking each other. that would be a benefit as well. so the idea of spending $100,000 per aircraft, i think that's pushed the airlines back on that idea. but we need to look at utilizing what's in place now and what's already funded through the federal government at this point and expanding that into the iko regulations. >> peter, i know you wanted to expound on this. if everyone was doing his or her job, if someone looked for
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flight 370 when the transponder was turned off or the plane disappeared from radar, maybe this plane wouldn't be missing. is that fair? >> i think it probably is. there are ways you can minimize the costs on this realtime streaming. this is the second time in five years or three years that we've lost an aircraft in deep ocean and haven't been able to find it. and, for instance, you only need realtime streaming on aircraft that are going over open ocean, what they call etops flights. planes flying over land mass, we find them easily without any problems. >> david, one last question for you. if the batteries on those black boxes had lasted longer, that would be much cheaper -- that would be a much cheaper fix, right? why not do those things first before you move to something so costly like streaming? >> they actually are. as dave mentioned before, we
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have already -- iko has already addressed this. they've already said, yes, we need to go to 90-day boxes. however, the misnomer, the problem with that is they haven't said let's go back and put it on the 20,000 aircraft that are flying right now. they're saying from here forward, 2015 forward. the faa has done the same thing as well. that's not good enough. we've still got the aircraft out there that are not required to be changed in retrospect -- in history, the ones that are out flying now. it's only for new aircraft. >> david soucie, peter goelz, thank you so much. general motors says the massive recall nearly wiped out all its profits. new details on how much it cost the automaker next. life with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis
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general motors first quarter profits were nearly wiped out by the cost of its massive recall. the automaker is spending more than $1 billion to fix problems on roughly seven million vehicles. alison kosik joins us from the
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new york stock exchange with more. good morning. >> good morning, carol. the price tag so far for repairs will cost gm $1.3 billion. keep in mind, this is not just for the recalls we've been hearing so much about, the ignition switch problems that led to 13 death ts. this is for all the recalls this year. now gm is fixing the cars. the fix is whacking gm's bottom line. gm made over $100 million in january and march of this year. how bad of a hit is it for a company like gm. i want to show it to you. all the bars you're about to see represent big profits for gm. look what they made in the first quarter of last year? more than $1 billion. this $100 million from this year is really a teeny, tiny amount. it's a profit that's not so big because of the recall. i'd say it's definitely a huge hit for a part that originally cost 57 cents. gm put a kr7 cent part that knew
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it didn't meet the specifications into these cars and now gm is paying for it. wall street has a different view of this. we're seeing gm shares up about 1.5% at this point. here is why. wall street knew this charge was coming. also sales were good for the first quarter. the cars are still selling well here. they're also selling well in china. actually investors expected gm to lose money this past quarter. that didn't happen. that's why you're seeing the positive response on wall street. keep in mind you've got the lingering question, what about all those lawsuits. which don't know if gm will be accepting liability. that continues to be the wildcard, carol. >> alison kosik reporting live form us this morning. thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," the scandalous past of the man whose family ctrols the company that operated that south korean ferry. why south koreans call him the millionaire with no face.
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cnn's kyung lah has more. >> reporter: investigators raided the offices of the marine company, boxing evidence for the criminal probe into the ferry disaster. officers also swarmed the home of the patriarch of the family that controlled the company. a businessman known in korea as the millionaire with no face. no face because you rarely see him. this video from 2013 shows one of the few times he's been seen in public. according to major south korean newspapers, he has an artistic a little alter ego, an identity online as a photographer who has won international acclaim. yu and his two sons control through an investment vehicle and subsidiary the shipping company that operated the ferry. korean tax authorities say under the family's ownership, the ferry company was struggling financially and reported a loss last year.
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in the late 1990s, a yu-owned ferry company that operated in seoul also went bankrupt. days after the ferry sank, the shipping company sent out its president to apologize. but not mr. yu. he's had his brush with bad publicity before. yu is a preacher and was a religious cult leader in 1987. 33 people from his group were found dead, bound and gagged in a factory outside of seoul. officials investigated it as a mass murder/suicide but found no evidence tying it to yoo. but yoo was convicted on fraud charges and spent four years in jail for tax evasion. the arrests piling up as a criminal dragnet widens. financial authorities tell cnn the probe into yoo and his sons continues. cnn's calls to the mysterious millionaire and marine company
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were not returned. >> reporter: back here on the yellow sea where the search is still continuing for the sunken ferry and the people aboard, there is also an investigation as to the organization that signed off on the safety and inspection of the ferry, the dragnet continuing to widen. kyung lah, cnn, off jindo island on the yellow sea. the arrests crew members mentioned now total 14 of the 20 who survived the ferry wreck. one thing that stuck to us, the way these people, these accused, are being treated. what looks like a familiar perp walk quickly turns into what can be called a morbid class photo. the accused lined up for photographers, publicly shamed for their alleged crimes. let's talk about this with dr. steven norper, senior vice president of the korea society and a former state department analyst. welco welcome, steven. >> thank you, carol.
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>> is this normal treatment? >> this actually goes back several hundred years to the dynasty times. it's pardon of the confucian ethic of accountability and in this case a demand for justice. >> so they were purposely put out here for photographers, and of course, that was probably broadcast on local television all over is being. right? >> that's absolutely right, and that's something that officials are okay to have happen because they certainly don't want that public discontent turning toward them. there have already been expressions by the families in that regard. but there is a demand for answers. there's a tremendous amount of anger. but let's remember there's a tremendous, tremendous amount of grief. it's really created a national state of mourning. president obama arriving tomorrow. no doubt he will offer a tremendous level of sympathy, especially as the father of two teenage girls himself. >> it's just hard to imagine what these poor families are going through. >> tragic. >> the vice principal of the
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school where most of these kids went to school, he committed suicide. he was not charged with any crime, but he did survive that ferry accident. did this result as a result of a culture of shame there? >> well, i think it resulted because of his sentiment at least in the suicide note that was left that he expressed shame for having not been there and able to save those children. he felt a tremendous amount of duty. and it is a duty-bound culture that, again, part of the confucian ethic. so there is an expectation that those like students or those like citizens are loyal upward and also that those like teachers or officials are responsible for those beneath them. but a tragedy on tragedy is very sad indeed. and the stories that are coming out are just heartbreaking. we can do nothing but just offer tremendous condolences to the south korean people. >> the millionaire owner that kyung lah just did a story on this millionaire owner, he hasn't said a word.
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he has a very murky past. is that unusual? i mean, he hides away and doesn't go out in public very much. yet he owns this ferry company. he has millions of dollars. normal? >> i mean, not normal. i mean, in the sense that this is somebody who certainly has a shadowy past, there will be very thorough investigations. i'm sure the prosecutor's office is already very actively investigating him. really he's only known for his photography. he recently had an exhibition outside the louvre of nature photography, but he's not a figure who's important in civic life in south korea. he's not viewed as a business leader. very much an unknown but certainly somebody whose company appeared to cut corners and leave a crew that was unqualified and certainly questions that will come out about the appropriateness or lack thereof in terms of their actions, especially by way of the evacuation orders and leaving the ship with so many
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children on board. >> stephen noerper, thank you for your insight. we appreciate it. >> thank you. our hearts go out. >> they do. still to come on "the newsroom," as the first underwater search for that missing flight 370 nears completion, the focus remains on the indian ocean. we'll show you just how much garbage might be getting in the way of finding flight 370. the next hour of "newsroom" after a break. [ male announcer ] this is the cat that drank the milk... [ meows ] ...and let in the dog that woke the man who drove to the control room [ woman ] driverless mode engaged. find parking space. [ woman ] parking space found. [ male announcer ] ...that secured the data that directed the turbines that powered the farm that made the milk that went to the store that reminded the man to buy the milk that was poured by the girl who loved the cat. [ meows ] the internet of everything is changing everything. cisco. tomorrow starts here. the internet of everything is changing everything. c'mon, you want heartburn?
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happening now in "the newsroom," the bluefin 21's mission almost complete. >> as of this morning, completing its 12th mission, having traversed 90% of that very narrowed search area. >> still no sign of flight 370. >> we are trying to explore all possible options in finding
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mh370. also -- >> and the u.s. is teeing up another round of sanctions against russia. >> president obama doubling down on sanctions. >> we continue to see militias and armed men taking over buildings. we have been preparing for the prospect that we're going to have to engage in further sanctions. those are teed up. >> are words enough? as pro-russian militants again storm ukrainian buildings. plus, the millionaire with no face? startling details about the man whose family controls the ferry company in south korea. charges of fraud, corruption. he was even a religious cult leader. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. the search for malaysia airlines
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flight 370 is now in day 48. the malaysian government still refusing to make public its preliminary report and frustrated families of those on board are taking a new step in their quest for answers. they're going directly to boeing. here's what the partner of one passenger told "new day." >> we're also extending our reach now. there's a subset of those questions including some new ones that are much more technical that we will be bringing directly to boeing. boeing has a shareholders meeting next week. and if we're not getting information directly from malaysian airlines and from the malaysian government, we might as well try to go directly to the source. boeing is a publicly traded company in the united states. and that puts them in a position of a little bit more fiduciary responsibility. >> in the meantime, the bluefin 21 is completing its 12th mission, scanning the ocean floor and still nothing. cnn's aron mclaughlin is in perth, australia, with more.
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good morning, aron. >> reporter: good morning, carol. we're learning more about that object of interest that we chatted so much about yesterday. it was a piece of metal found about 190 miles to the south of perth. officials now, of course, ruling it out as having no connection to missing malaysian flight 370. but cnn has managed to obtain photographs of that object. and in looking at those photos, it is perhaps easy to see why authorities were so initially interested in it. it's essentially a long piece of metal with rivets. but, of course, in the end, it turned out to be just another lead turned disappointment. but officials at the moment not exactly saying what it is. but it does appear to be just another piece of garbage like all the rest of the garbage that has sort of muddled the waters of that aerial search for debris that is ongoing today. another 11 planes and 11 ships out there scouring the waters, trying to find any sign of this plane. australian authorities now even
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acknowledging that it's highly unlikely that anything will come out of that visual search. the focus now very much on the effort s underneath the water. the bluefin 21 was on its 12th mission. it traversed some 90% of that very narrow search area. the area that's been identified basically as their best guess to find wreckage. so far yielding nothing. we know that australian and malaysian authorities already considering next steps. carol? >> erin mclaughlin reporting live from australia this morning. so after 48 days, still nothing. mind boggling, right? let me take you back. a boeing 777 disappears within an hour of takeoff on march 8th. an oil slick is spotted the next day. turns out to be nothing. on march 14th, the search area encompassed two arcs consisting of almost 3 million square miles. but by march 18th, thai radar revealed that the plane took a
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sharp turn left. a sharp turn west, and that focused the search area in the southern arc. a few days later debris is spotted floating on the ocean. turned out to be sea bar g-- garbage. on march 24th, they declared the flight ended in the southern indian ocean. it was flying faster than previous thought, shifting the search area nearly 700 miles. earlier this month, a series of pings are detected by chinese and australian vessels. on april 16th, a bluefin 21 underwater drone was launched, and that's where we are today. and we've still found nothing. no black boxes, no debris, nothing. so let's talk about that. i want to bring in michael kay, a cnn aviation analyst and retired lieutenant colonel in the british military. >> hi, carol. >> hi. >> and rob mccallum, cnn analyst and ocean search specialist. welcome to both of you. >> morning. >> so michael, every hope dashed. the bluefin 21 is 90% done
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searching in that area. it's mind boggling, right? >> yeah, i think the whole time line that you've just described, carol, describes it beautifully. it's an incredibly unorthodox situation we've got here. it's unprecedented. we've never seen anything like it in aviation history. and i think what we've got just doesn't align to the norms of the way that accident investigations are conducted. i mane, if we just look at where we've got to, the inmarsat analysis is the center of gravity of this whole investigation. if we take the inmarsat analysis away, we don't have a lot. we've got very little, in fact. in fact, we've got a few radar traces which are uncorroborated from malaysia. we've got a little bit from thailand, nothing from indonesia. in the absence of inmarsat, we really are shooting in the dark here. i think inmarsat is the key. i think we really do have to go back and look at the southern arcs and the northern arcs and look at everything around that and the assumptions around the inmarsat analysis to make sure that we're in the right place. i would say, though, carol that there is a convergence of data.
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we have the inmarsat analysis. we have four pings. and we have a search going on in that area. and i think in the absence of anything else, this is the most encouraging evidence that we've got, and it's early days. >> i know. early days. 48 days in. and i'm glad you're encouraged, though, michael. rob, let me ask you this because you're an underwater detective of sorts. did you expect the bluefin 21 to find something by now? >> you know, it's still got 10% of the area to go. and we have found targets on day one, and we found targets on the very last day of a projected search. so, you know, the bluefin can only search. it's not a magic bullet. i was hopeful that it would, but now as the time to investigate those other pings broaden the search out and, you know, take that plateau apart rock by rock to make sure there's absolutely nothing there. >> and michael, the family is sure that the malaysian government is hiding something.
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now they want to put pressure on boeing to put pressure on the malaysians to release some sort of information. is that the right route to take, to put more pressure on boeing? >> i don't think -- i don't think we should be bringing boeing into this just yet. i think where we should be going is the preliminary report, and i think the malaysians should be taking better steps to make that public. we've had this investigation for 48 days now. there is little evidence after 48 days of where this aircraft is. it's been surrounded by mystery and controversy. so i think giving the public the preliminary report would just add that little hint of normality and maybe a little hint of transparency and even a little hint of credibility. and i think the malaysians are really missing a trick here. but let's just be frank about the preliminary report. it's not going to be a silver bullet. it will give some very basic facts. it will give facts on the history of the airplane, the departure details, maybe something about the passengers. it's not going to give the inmarsat data, which is what i think the families are trying to zone in on.
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so it is very basic. it can be updated at any time. so basically, as soon as it's issued, it's kind of out of date. but i think it would go a long way in reassuring the families transparency was starting to occur. >> and not only the families, rob, but the people searching the southern indian ocean, they've got to be frustrated by now and very discouraged. would it help them, too, to get some bit of some kind of information? >> it would, and i think that's about to happen. you know, i think that the authorities are going back to the drawing board to reevaluate all of the data that's led us to this part of the globe and to make sure that any future searches are well informed. and, you know, every expedition, every search has this moment where the initial rush is gone. now it's time to dig in and to start for the long haul. it's not a time to be discouraged. it's a time to, you know, gear up for the next phase. >> michael kay, rob mccallum, thanks for your insight. >> good to see you, carol,
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thanks. >> nice to see you both. >> thank you. also new this morning, three americans have been killed and a fourth wounded in a shooting rampage in an afghan hospital. two of them father and son. just minutes ago we learned the identity of one of the dead. his name is jerry youmanos, he's a doctor, a chicago pediatrician who has worked with the christian charity cure for seven years. the attack apparently by a police guard raises more troubling doubts about the stability of afghanistan and washington's plans to dramatically scale back the presence of u.s. troops there. let's head to the pentagon and cnn's barbara starr. before we get into the knitnitt grit gritty, barbara, i'd like to talk about this doctor because he was doing wonderful things for the afghan people. he had worked in that hospital for seven years. they treat 37,000 children every year. i talked to the minister of health earlier this morning. he was beloved in afghanistan. >> all indications are that's exactly right, carol.
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we have seen this for years. so many americans and civilians from so many other countries working to try and help afghanistan as are so many afghan people. and i think that's one of the reasons this attack perhaps so disturbing to people. this is a hospital -- this charity has hospitals all over the world in many countries and really dedicated to try and helping people who need it the most. afghanistan's at a critical crossroads right now. they've had this presidential election. the results are expected to be announced perhaps a runoff is coming, but results expected in several days. the leading candidate, the former foreign minister, abdullah abdullah, is someone that the u.s. feels it can work with. he would be expected to sign an agreement that could potentially allow u.s. troops to stay and continue to help train afghan forces after the end of this year. right now 33,000 u.s. forces
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still on the front lines. and if there is no agreement, they will go by the end of the year. and all of that puts the laser focus on security in afghanistan. that's what this is all about, development, progress, medical care, all of it. it simply depends on security. another incident today where we have seen by all accounts it's someone who was an afghan security official, afghan police officer opening fire on civilians. carol? >> brauarbara starr reporting l from the pentagon. still to come, as russia shows no signs of backing down in ukraine, president obama talks tough, but will vladimir putin heed the warning? are you ready grandma? just a second, sweetie. [ female announcer ] we eased your back pain, you turned up the fun. tylenol® provides strong pain relief while being gentle on your stomach. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more. tylenol®.
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russian president vladimir putin again slamming the ukrainian government, blaming it for escalating violence and warning of consequences if officials use their army to target pro-russian protesters. putin's tough talk comes amid reports that five pro-russian militants were killed in a clash with government soldiers. the incident taking place in the tension-filled region of eastern ukraine. and it follows some tense moments thousands of miles away above the netherlands where dutch fighter jets were scrambled after two russian bombers entered their airspace. british military jets would later help escort those russian planes out of the area. and while a dutch official says the action is not unusual, it does highlight the anxiety among nato partners over russia's actions in ukraine. president obama keeping close tabs on the situation there. in the midst of his tour of
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asia, the president had a warning for russia. >> we have been preparing for the prospect that we're going to have to engage in further sanctions. those are teed up. it requires some technical work, and it also requires coordination with other countries. so the fact that i haven't announced them yet doesn't mean that they haven't been prepared and teed up. >> white house correspondent michelle kosinski is traveling with the president. >> reporter: hi, carol. the shadow of the ukraine crisis looms large. and today it followed president obama all the way here to tokyo where he addressed the issue. and we heard directly from him that expanded u.s. sanctions against russia are teed up, ready to go, and apparently imminent. in fact, he said we're looking at days, not weeks of this watching and waiting, seeing if russia will live up to what it said it would do when one week ago it signed this agreement in geneva, saying that it would
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take concrete steps to de-escalate the situation. well, it seems that that has not happened in any regard, and president obama has said that he himself is not overly optimistic, not hopeful that that would happen. >> so far at least we have seen them not abide by the spirit or the letter of the agreement in geneva. instead we continue to see militias and armed men taking over buildings, harassing folks who are disagreeing with them and destabilizing the region, and we haven't seen russia step up and discourage that. my expectation is is that if, once again, russia fails to abide by both the spirit and the letter of what was discussed in geneva, there will be further consequences, and we will ramp up further sanctions. >> reporter: president obama
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said at this point it wouldn't be even take much more russia to change course, even if that only meant to stand up and commit to the agreement that it signed publicly, or to call on militants to disarm and give up those government buildings that they seized inside ukraine. president obama acknowledged, though, that sanctions might not work. just as russia is, again, blaming ukraine for the violence and the situation itself, it might not change the calculus of russian president vladimir putin in that region. carol? >> michelle kosinski reporting this morning. still to come, what caused that ferry to capsize off the coast of south korea? cnn's will ripley is following the investigation. >> reporter: and we have some new information, carol. did modifications to the ferry play a role in this disaster? investigators are asking questions, and so are we. all stations come over to mission a for a final go.
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one crewman says he was ordered to abandon ship. >> translator: i didn't think about evacuating. i didn't. however, it kept sinking. so i went down to check the situation before the ferry completely overturned. there was no other way to go. >> with more on the investigation, let's head to south korea and will ripley. hi, will. >> reporter: hey, carol. there are so many unanswered questions right now. what could cause a large ship like this to spontaneously capsize and then sink? well, now we're getting a better look at some of the theories that investigators have and are even putting some of them to the test. in a matter of hours, the yellow sea swallowed the ferry, taking far too many lives. in this swimming pool, japanese researchers are using a scaled-down model ship, testing
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theories of what could have triggered this disaster. too little ballast water and too much cargo puts the ship in danger, says this man, a senior researcher with japan's national institute of fisheries engineering. using weights to simulate shipping containers, he shows how unsecured cargo can shift to one side with catastrophic consequences. >> translator: the result is the ship capsizing. the worst-case scenario. >> reporter: a south korean opposition lawmaker who represents jindo says renovations last year expanded the top floor to make room for 117 more passengers, making the center of gravity higher. south korean prosecutors could not confirm those details when asked by cnn, but we do know they're investigating the inspection agency that signed off on the work. investigators want to know if modifications made the ferry more likely to capsize. authorities here in south korea say figures from the company and the coast guard don't show the
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ferry was overloaded. but investigators say they won't really know for sure how much cargo was actually on board until the ship is salvaged. arrested crew members spoke of problems with the ferry while defending their actions. "the ship had a balance probl , problem," said one of the crew members. "there koob a mistake while making a turn, or there could have been a steering wheel problem." all are key questions facing investigators as we get a new look inside the ferry. this video shows the very same hallways divers are now searching and surveillance video from the day of the disaster shows students boarding the ferry, unaware that in a matter of hours, the ferry would be under water, and most of their classmates would be missing or dead. absolutely chilling, carol, to see that video of all of those students going on that ship that day. and that's what makes this investigation so important. was it the modifications? was it the cargo? whatever it is, investigators are working very hard right now
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to find answers for the sake of all those families. >> will ripley reporting live from south korea. still to come on the "newsroom," the indian ocean whirlpool. it's half the size of the united states and made up entirely of trash just floating on the indian ocean and complicating the search for flight 370. we'll talk about that next. nineteen years ago, we thought, "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress. and effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our snapfix app. visit angieslist.com today. ♪
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this morning we now know the name of one of the americans killed in a shooting rampage at a hospital in kabul, afghanistan. his name is jerry umanos, a chicago pediatrician who has worked with the christian charity cure for seven years. a father and son are also among the dead, and a fourth american was wounded in that afghanistan hospital. police say the gunman was an afghan police guard who suddenly opened fire on the group. last hour i spoke with afghanistan's health minister about dr. umanos. >> he was an american doctor who was working in this hospital for the last seven years. and one of the senior staff of this hospital whom i know personally and i met him twice at least in the last couple of years. he was very committed and dedicated to the hospital and to overall health care in afghanistan. let me say that this is a very tragic and sad incident happened
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in the premises of a hospital, and we have all been very moved with this event. >> witnesses say the afghan gunman, that police guard, turned the gun on himself, but he did survive. currently he's in surgery. police in afghanistan don't yet have a motive, but they assured me -- the health minister assured me there would be a full investigation. the bluefin 21, 90% done with its underwater search for flight 370, and still after six weeks, no sign of that missing plane. complicating the mission, the sheer amount of garbage floating around in the indian ocean. cnn's randi kaye gives us an inside look at one of the largest floating trash heaps known as the indian gyre. >> the debris that you might see, you know, in our homes, all around our homes. here's a toy grenade. here is a paintbrush handle.
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there's a toy leg from a baby. flip-flops. >> reporter: not items from a landfill but from the ocean. more specifically, the indian ocean gyre, essentially a garbage patch swirling with pass and overflowing with plastic. the massive rotating current spins counterclockwise. marcus erickson is the director of research for the five gyres institute in california. he says gyres are like plastic soup. >> that's typical of what the material looks like. >> reporter: in 2010 he sailed through the indian ocean gyre, the same area where search teams are now looking for doomed flight 370. >> what we found were fishing nets, multicolored buoys, little fishing buoys like the one that's behind me. lots of buckets and crates. other consumer goods like bottles and bottle caps and bags and forks and knives. there was so much stuff already there. so the aircraft, the debris from the aircraft, is blending into all that. >> reporter: which is one reason why locating the missing plane
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is such a challenge. satellite images once thought to be debris fields likely just floating garbage. recently a chinese ship in search of the airplane came across trash instead. even sea life can't tell the difference. fish, sea lions, birds, they all ingest this junk, thinking it might be food. >> i hear this talk about there being 300-plus pieces from the aircraft. there are 300,000-plus pieces of trash already there. >> reporter: the indian ocean gyre isn't the only one that exists. there are also two in the pacific and two in the atlantic. they form when ocean currents bounce off the continents and create a vortex of swirling water which pulls debris from the shores to the center of the ocean. the gyre in the indian ocean is thought to be about 2 million square miles. now, keep in mind, the entire united states is just under 4 million square miles. and this garbage patch isn't just huge. it's also on the move. traveling about half a mile per
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hour or about 12 miles per day. and it may be carrying parts of the plane with it. >> it's moved away from the crash site. it's moved away maybe 50 to 150 miles by now. and it's dispersed as well. and it's joining the back you understand groh of other debris. >> reporter: leaving search teams to play catch-up as they try to track down flight 370. randi kaye, cnn, new york. still to come on the "newsroom," the pope makes a phone call, and the world's catholics speculate. will the church soon allow divorced catholics to receive the sacrament of communion? our vatican correspondent delia gallagher is live at the vatican. good morning. >> reporter: carol, it's a hotly debated issue over here and one the pope's phone call has just made even hotter. we'll have more after this. cut! [bell rings] this...is jane. her long day on set starts with shoulder pain... ...and a choice take 6 tylenol in a day which is 2 aleve for...
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an historic moment for the catholic church. two of its most beloved popes will be made saints this weekend by pope francis who himself is making headlines after the pope picked up the phone and made an unusual call. an argentinean woman claims she wrote the pope a letter asking if she could receive communion even though she's married to a man who had previously gotten a divorce, a no-no in the catholic church. >> translator: he called and asked for jackie. i asked, may i ask who is calling? and he said, father bergoglio. she spoke with the pope, and he said she was absolved of all sins, and she could go and get the holy communion because she was not doing anything wrong. and well, this is very nice. >> vatican correspondent delia gallagher and cnn religion analyst father edward beck with me now. welcome to both of you.
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>> thank you. >> so delia, i want to talk first about the claims of this argentinean couple. do we know if the pope really did give them a phone call and absorb her of all sin? >> reporter: the vatican is confirming, carol, that a phone call was placed by the pope. they are not commenting on the details of the conversation. they say it was private. and they are stressing that no conclusions should be drawn with regard to any change in church teaching because of the phone call. carol? >> so, father beck, i just heard what delia said. i did but there will still be speculation that pope francis is at least thinking about easing restrictions on divorced catholics. >> well, we know, in fact, that he is, carol, because he has already charged his group of cardinal consulters, they'll be meeting again in october, and he has put this on the agenda for them. he wants to talk about divorce and remarried catholics and communion. now, this is a consultative
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pope, so we suspect that he's going to know what those cardinals have to say, but we get a real sense that he thinks something needs to be done here. that there are too many wounded people out there without annulments who are in marriages where divorce has been involved who have been felt deprived of the eucharist, of communion. and he wants to address that in a pastoral way. if annulment is not possible, for whatever reason was not sought, is there a way that that person can still be part of the communion of the church and receive holy communion? >> and delia, just as a matter of practicality, what, 50% of people are divorced in america. there are a lot of americans who are catholics. a lot of catholics who are divorced who feel exactly the way that father brek descrieck . would it be smart for the pope to welcome them again into the church? >> reporter: yes, i think that's definitely his aim. the problem, carol, is that it's a teaching which is in the bi e bible. it's a teaching which has been in the centuries of the catholic tradition.
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so the pope needs to find a way together with his cardinals to theologically justify the move. and that's the sticking point for them because it's quite a complex issue when it comes to church teaching. >> okay. so father beck, how do you overcome that if it's in the bible? >> well, something about divorce is in the bible, but again, remember, divorce is a civil thing with marriage. we're talking about annulment here, which is a church kind of divorce. so for people for whatever reason cannot get that, is there a pastoral way where you can say you know what? not everybody who receives communion is 100% on the same payable as t page as the catholic church. sinners are in need of holy communion. so rather than make communion a divisive element, how can it be a more unitive one? >> on another matter, pope
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francis is going to canonize two previous popes. it's an historic moment. it will happen, what, sunday? >> reporter: on sunday. they're expecting upwards of 1 million people to come to rome, carol. i can tell you that the city of rome is already gotten ready 4 million bottles of water to be distributed. they're setting up 18 giant screens around the city because, of course, not everybody can fit into st. peter's square. and they want everybody to participate. and to that end, they're also screening a 3-d movie of the event to be seen in some 600 theaters around the world. so a big worldwide event here at the vatican on sunday. >> and there is some controversy, father beck, both pope john paul and pope john xxiii were extremely popular, but some feel they've been put on the fast track to sainthood and it shouldn't be that way. what do you think? >> well, there's truth that they were kind of fast tracked, but remember when john paul ii died,
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the claim immediately from the people was saint now. and remember for the first 1,0001,000 years of the church, sainthood was not something that was given by the official church. it was popular a claim. if a person was known to be holy and the populist, the people, said this person is worthy of sainthood, that's how they became a saint. i think what the church is trying to do is listen to the acclaim of the people. john paul ii was indeed very popular, very charismatic. and of course pope benedict believed that he was deserving of sainthood. and so he was put on the fast track. and then i think this pope, pope francis, said john xxiii who ushered in the vatican council, he really should kind of be there with john paul ii. in a way, some say to balance those who felt as though pope john paul ii maybe brought us back a little from vatican ii, balance it with the pope who ushered in vatican ii. >> i think more of the controversial comes in, delia, and correct me if i'm wrong is that pope john paul presided at the height of the child sex abuse scandal within the
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catholic church, and some people don't believe he's deserving because of that. >> reporter: yeah, there are those who have raised that position. you know, during the process for making a saint, the vatican takes into account what they call contrary positions. so they do hear the voices of people who, for whatever reason, don't think the person should be made a saint. they deny that the pope didn't do enough during those last years of his pontificate when the sex abuse crisis really came to the public eye anyway. they say that he was the one who met with the u.s. cardinals in 2002. he condemned the abuses, and he set the office of then-cardinal ratzinger to work on investigating the claims. so obviously, they have decided in favor of his sainthood despite those who would say there is a stain on his legacy because of the sex abuse crisis. >> delia gallagher and father edward beck, thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >> i'll be right back. >> reporter: thank you, carol.
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irn a fascinating interview with warren buffett. poppy harlow sat down and talked with him one on one on the federal minimum wage among other things. poppy joins us now. he had a lot of surprising things to say. >> i was essential surpricertai because you think about warren buffett, pretty liberal, a huge supporter of obama. as we know, the president wants to raise the federal minimum wage significantly to $10.10 an
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hour. so i think, you know, many people would think that warren buffett would support that and be in line with that. he talks so much about income inequality being an issue he believes in this country. but when we sat down and asked him point blank what he thought, his answer was rather surprising. minimum wage is a key topic right now in this country. should the federal minimum wage be raised? >> that's the toughest question you've asked me because i've thought about it for 50 years, and i don't know the answer. >> reporter: really? >> well, in economics you always have to say and then what. and the real question is are more people going to be better off, you know, if it is raised? and i don't know the answer to that. i know that if you raise the earned income tax credit significantly, that that would definitely help people who have gotten the short sticks in life. but you do lose some employment as you increase the minimum wage. you know, if you didn't, i'd be for having it be $15 an hour if you actually got the same result in all other ways, but you won't. and i don't know the tradeoffs.
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each side has statistics that argue, you know, if you increase it a lot, it will only affect employment a little. and the other guy says it you increase it a little, it will kill it. i don't know the answer. i've looked at it a lot. >> reporter: do you think $7.25 an hour which is the federal minimum wage granted many states have higher minimum wages than that? many companies pay a lot more than that. but a $7.25 an hour living wage in this country? >> no, i think it's terrible. but i think the earned income tax credit may be the better way to attack it. i'm not arguing against it. really i just don't know the answer on it. i do know that $7.25 an hour is not what should be what people are trying to live on in a country as prosperous as ours. >> reporter: it's rare that you talk to warren buffett and he doesn't have an answer or opinion one way or another. the earned income tax credit, he wants to basically see this tax benefit for americans making a moderate income. you have to think, though, carol, that would come from the federal government and, you know, we know where the financials of the government
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stand. so that's a key question on that one. but again, not in line necessarily with the president on this one. i said do you think president obama's misguided to call for $10.10 an hour minimum wage? he said i don't think he's misguided, but the economics of it, he fears, that it would cost jobs. so that's why he's very torn on this one. >> i know you asked about something else, and i'm interested to hear what his answer was. does he feel that wealthy people are under attack right now in this country? >> reporter: well, you know, we've heard tom perkins came out, the venture capitalist, and said that the 1% is being attacked akin to the nazis on the jews and the 1% work harder and we should emulate them, not attack them. buffett laughed when i asked about that. he said a lot of people would like to be in the group of the 1%. you know, i don't think see a lot of people in the 1% begging to be in the 99%. and no, he said he's a friend of sam zell but does not agree that the 1% work harder. there's plenty of people in the 1% who don't do much, and he knows plenty of people who aren't in the 1% who do a lot
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and who don't do a lot. so no, he doesn't agree with those comments. >> okay. if we want to see the whole interview, where do we go? >> reporter: cnnmoney.com. >> poppy harlow, thanks so much. or you can go to my facebook page. we'll be right back. tylenol® provides strong pain relief while being gentle on your stomach. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more. tylenol®. [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance so she could take her dream to the next level. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today...and tomorrow. so let's see what we can do about that... remodel. motorcycle. [ female announcer ] some questions take more than a bank. they take a banker. make a my financial priorities appointment today. because when people talk, great things happen. make a my financial priorities appointment today. disturbing the pantry. ortho crime files.
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cnn will air the season finale of the real-life drama "chicagoland" tonight. it focuses on the challenges the city is facing in areas like social policy, education and public safety. protecting the young and all chicagoans is getting tougher as spring brings warmer temperatures and a rebirth of violence on the streets. george howell is in chicago with more. good morning, george. >> reporter: carol, good morning. so you notice i'm wearing a coat this morning because it's cooled off here in chicago. and that makes a big difference in these neighborhoods. as we know, only one person was shot overnight. but as we saw earlier this month when the temperatures go up, the
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number of shootings go up as well. the beginning of spring, more people on the streets, and chicago's problem with gun violence is heating up. this easter weekend, nine people were killed. more than 60 people were shot in april alone. including tamika woods' son, michael, killed april 5th. >> to see that picture come over the news, it was a picture that he just literally let me take of him. i didn't know that would be the last picture that i had of my son. >> reporter: some on the streets call it shiraq because of the violent and many times deadly wars between neighboring gang factions. this is the time of year where people can almost predict the problem to get worse. communities are trying to get ahead of it. standing together with mayor rahm emanuel to stop it.
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>> there is nothing out there that's more powerful than what's in here. >> that's right. >> there is nothing. >> that's right. >> we are stronger than that senseless violence. >> reporter: chicago police point out that shootings were down in 2013 from the year before, but police superintendent gary mccarthy says the springtime spike is troubling. >> people always say, well, i don't feel much better, even though shootings might be down by 40%. well, the reason for that is kind of simple. if you have ten shootings in your neighborhood last career and you have six shootings in your neighborhood this year, do you feel 40% better? absolutely not. >> reporter: mccarthy says the department has banked overtime to deploy more officers to the streets at the times and places where they're needed. the u.s. attorney's office has also created a new violent crimes section that didn't exist before. 16 prosecutors who will work closely with law enforcement to focus on how best to use existing laws to more
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effectively crack down on violent crime. >> we are getting out in front of a lot of shootings. we're still -- you know, it's hard to see success sometimes when you have, you know, a spate of shootings. >> reporter: an ongoing and seemingly uphill battle as police, community leaders and families take a stand, hoping to curb the violence. george howell, cnn, chicago. >> catch "chicagoland" tonight at 10:00 eastern right here on cnn. thank you so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "@this hour with berman and michaela" starts now. down to the final stretch. the robo sub that's scanning under water for wreckage from flight 370, it's just about done. the bluefin 21 has only about 10% of the search area left to go, and it's coming up empty. so what's next? vladimir putin has fiery words for kiev. he says military operations in eastern ukraine may be a serious crime, and he's u