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vanishing planes. and still a mystery seven years lat later this little girl. they waited 48 days and hopefully family members will see something soon and have policies for family members and hopefully something like this never happens again. wolf blitzer starts now. >> hello. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. i'd hike to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world watching right now on cnn international. >> we begin with breaking news with malaysia. for the first time in three weeks dollar talking about the search of flight 370 sitting down with a reporter from kuala
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lumpur. the malaysian government has got an lot of heat as all our viewers know, not releasing more information on the flight. what did the prime minister tell you today? >> it's a broadcast exclusive interview. so far, the prime minister has not sat down with any interviewers to answer questi s questions, direct questions on what he knew, what malaysia knew and what they now believe happened to nh 370. we learned yesterday, when i asked at a press conference that a preliminary report has been sent to the u.n. body and tonight, the prime minister pledged that that report would be released next week, after it's been reviewed by a committee. he has confirmed the report. wolf, the most extraordinary thing tonight from the prime minister, when i asked
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specifically, would he now say that mh-370, the plane and the passeng passengers were lost? there were no survivors. he said even though that might seem obvious, out of respect for the next of kin, he would not go that far. this is the prime minister. >> on the balance of the evidence, it would be hard to imagine otherwise, richard. >> at some point in time, i would be. right now, i think i need to take into account the feelings
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of next of kin and have have said publicly they're not willing to accept it until they find hard evidence. >> so, what we have there, wolf, you weren't able to hear the question just when i was asking it. what i was continuing to point out to him, wolf, was whether or not he is prepared to say the plane is lost, since it seems so glaringly obvious. wolf, as the families have repeatedly said, there is no physical evidence, so the prime minister is siding more with them at the moment. this creates enormous difficulties, wolf, for malaysia airlines and others. because until the government officially says the plane is lost, then full compensation cannot be paid under the
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convention, wolf. >> this sort of flies in the face of what malaysian officials said several weeks ago when they said the plane had gone into the indian ocean. the malaysian airlines, as you remember sent out a whole notice to the family saying their loved ones presumably were all dead. i want to be precise on this, i know we didn't hear your question going to the prime minister. he's refusing to say right now that the plane is lost? i want to be precise. this is an extremely sensitive point, as you know. >> reporter: it is. i'm pleased you put it like that. he is not flying in the face of the obvious. he recognizes the evidence of what we know so far. but what he is saying, wolf, in a nuanced way, out of respect for the next of kin, he will not make that final, if you like, those blunt statements, the
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plane has crashed, everyone is dead, which is effectively what i was asking him to say. now, he admitted that his use of the words on the night, the flight ended in the indian ocean was carefully calibrated. the chairman of the airliners said there's no survivors. everybody pretty much accepts that. but they still -- and the prime minister still wants to show that mark of respect for the next of kin, even though to the likes of you and me, in the cold light of day, it seems to be flying in the face of the obvious. >> what did he say about all the criticism his government has received for their handling of the investigation? >> reporter: wolf, on that front, he basically recognizes the criticism and says much of it is unfair.
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he believes, and his exact words in he hours ahead and we turn more material around. he believes malaysia has done a good job, in his words, in the search for the plane. they haven't found it, but the way they put together a coalition of 26 countries, dozens of planes and ships. where he accept's that malaysia has failed or not met the mark is in the communications in those early days. the prime minister was fairly clear that that was a failing. wolf, one other point he said, quite clearly, on the question of what happened on the night, wolf, i asked the prime minister clearly, did malaysia see the plane? did the military officers see the plane flying over the country in realtime? if they did, did they send up planes to see what was
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happening? i think we've got, this is what the prime minister said. >> now, the military radar, has some capability. it track ed an aircraft which dd the turnback, but they were not sure, exactly sure whether it was mh 370. what they were sure of was that the aircraft was not deemed to be hostile. >> no planes were sent up on the night to investigate? >> no, because -- simply because it was deemed not to be hostile. >> don't you find that troub troubling, that a civil aircraft can turn back, fly across the country and nobody thinks to go up and have a look?
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because one of two things -- i understand that the threat level and i understand either the plane is in trouble and needs help or it's nefarious and you really want to know what somebody is going up there to do. as prime minister, don't you find that troubling? >> you see, i'm coming back to my earlier statement, they were not sure whether it was mh 370. >> even more reason to go have a look. >> they were not sure. but it behaved like a commissioned airline. >> there is no doubt, wolf, forget pilots names, forget last words, forget everything else about this, that is the nub of the issue facing malaysia. that on the night there was a radar operator in this country who saw what was -- who saw the plane and planes and did not
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send up or did not make further investigation. they have their reasons why. they say it was a civil plane. they say they realized it was not a threat. but that will remain the weak point in everything that happened that night. >> it certainly will. richard, i want you to stay with us for the hour. we have a lot more to discuss with you. i want to get immediate reactions to your exclusive interview with the prime minister. joining us now our cnn aviation analyst, former esb safety manage managing director, former fbi director, let me tell you what the prime minister says, he's refusing to acknowledge formally that the plane is lost. >> i can understand that. he has a very explosive situation with the families. he must have been advised this is a critical issue. if he said the plane was lost, they're going to say, prove it.
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where's the wreckage? i think he's being overly sensitive to the families. >> do you agree? sn>> looking back now, it is th absolute correct thing. the families definitely are asking for some type of evidence. if you don't have that evidence you just need to say it's missing at the moment. >> i remember several weeks ago they did say the plane had gone into the water of malaysian airlines everyone was basically dead i thought that was premature to make a statement like that before there was hard evidence it disappeared. they saw plane going over, suspected it was a commercial plane and as a result of that didn't scramble jets. what do you make of that? >> i make the malaysian military is probably redoing their procedures right now if they haven't already done it. it probably is true but it shows
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a real gap in their security. >> a major blunder by the part of the military. >> the southeast asia politics they have their own issues going on, the big power, china, not too far. if they did have a ping going nearby and didn't follow their own protocol and not too aggressive about it you won't have them admitting to that and be very defensive how they reacte reacted. >> richard, we will be sharing parts of your exclusive interview throughout the day. did you get any sense what was in the preliminary report that was sent to the international u.n. agency? >> we do know, because we had it confirmed, there is a safety recommendation similar to the one in air france 447, that in future, that the u.n. body needs
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to look at the safety benefits of real-time tracking of aircraft. we know that's in the preliminary report. wolfe, i asked of him, when he said -- i said, will he sit down? he said, no, a committee has to look at it to see that it's okay. i said, why? is there something embarrassing in the report that you don't want released? he said, no, that's not the reason. we have to take the pm at his word. i get the impression the prime minister is walkinging the very narrow line, wolf, between wanting to do that which is correct, wanting to keep the families informed but at the same time, trying to make sure malaysia does not come off any worse than it might have done already. >> richard quest, stand by. we will come back do you later this hour and our panel, more on
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i'm wolf blitzer in washington. i want to welcome those from the united states and the world. our own richard quest sat down with prime minister from malaysia and had an executive interview with him and you heard him insisting next week malaysia would go ahead and release that preliminary report. what happened to malaysian airlines flight 370. he wants to go through checks but that report will be released next week. he also said he is not ready to say the plane is lost in deference to the families. more of the exclusive interview with the prime minister coming up later this hour, throughout the day here on cnn. as you know, families of passengers aboard that flight want answers now. they're looking to boeing, the american company that made the missing triple 7. brian todd is here, looking into this part of the story. there is a major boeing
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shareholders meeting coming up and is seen as an opportunity to get answers from boeing. >> sarah partner of phillip wood is going and said they will ask additional questions aside from what they already asked the malaysian government including technical questions that happened. boeing is a publicly traded company in the u.s. and putz them -- puts them in a position of fudiciary responsibility. under the agreements that boeing and ntsb and faa have to adhere to on international protocols are cooperating in this investigation. boeing may not be able to say much of anything to the families. families want and deserve answers. what they get them from boeing is an open question. looks like they may not be able to get what they're after from boeing. >> this is a huge issue for the
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manufacturer of boeing. there are about 1200 triple 7s flying around the world and each co-up to 2$250 million. there was a mechanical failure that caused the disappearance of flight 370 they need to know that and people flying on boeing triple 7s want answers right now. we don't know why that plane disappeared. >> we don't know why it disappeared. if there was a mechanical problem. it has a very good safety record. we need to find the wreckage and black box. whether we get to that stage or not we don't know. families are upset this preliminary report was not released quicker than it was. we just heard richard say the prime minister said it will come out next week. one thing we can tell you from experts we talked to, we got a copy of a preliminary report on the asiana crash in san
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francisco, these reports don't have much information in them. it doesn't have the why, the very basics. one we saw was a paragraph long, not very long. why they chose not to release it immediately and why they're holding back until next week we don't really know and drawing them more criticism of the handling of this investigation. >> stand by. a lot more coming up. the exclusive interview with richard quest, much more, one of the headlines emerging, they did see a plane flying over malaysian airspace and thought it was a commercial airliner not sure but never scrambled jets to try to find out. more on the exclusive interview with the prime minister coming up. other news we're following including major developments in ukraine, the crisis escalating. can the u.s. do anything to stop it? we'll pose that question to our guests. and a beloved pediatrician
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in kabul, afghanistan, a shooting rampage killed three american workers at a hospital. one was a doctor from chicago that worked there seven years. there he is, dr. umanos. a fourth was wounded in the attack. the gunman was an afghan police officer assigned to guard the hospital, protect everyone there. what happened? what did you learn?
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>> the information still so sketchy, wolf, another instance by all accounts of an afghan security official, someone in a security uniform take their weapon and turning it on civilians. this time against american medical personnel that had been in afghanistan working at this major hospital in kabul that had really been trying to do some good in this very troubled country. we have seen this before, sadly. quite recently, just a couple weeks ago, two american journalists for the "associated press" also gunned down, one killed, one badly wounded when an afghan policeman security official turned his weapon on them. security is now what afghanistan is all about as it faces this crossroads, they are about to announce the election results for president in that country. there's likely to be a runoff, but the guy in the lead is the former foreign minister,
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abdulla, abdulla, someone the u.s. certainly hopes it can work with a little more calmly than it works with hammoid karzai. this is critical. there are 33,000 troops still in afghanistan. if there is not a new security agreement with the new president they will be gone by the end of the year. there is a lot of concern what will happen to afghan security then and will these civilian workers be able to stay if the security situation degrades even further. >> where is the gunman now, the individual police officer that shot these american medical personnel? >> afghan government officials say he also, for some reason, in some way was shot during this incident, not entirely clear whether he was shot by others or how this happened. he was taken to surgery and he is in the hospital in afghanistan, is what government
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officials are saying, wolf. >> all right, barbara, what a horrible story that is, barbara starr reporting to us from the pentagon along with these so-called insider attacks, the next afghan president will face major challenges such as the expected withdrawal of foreign and u.s. combat troops expected to withdraw by the end of the year unless an agreement can be made to keep some of them there. this man, dr. abdullah abdullah former foreign minister is the front-runner. and no sign of vetting at all and jane harman, director and ceo of the wilson center in washington. why should u.s. troops stay past this year given the hostility still there, longest war in u.s. history and still so many folks over there hate americans. >> that's true, wolf and they shouldn't. by the way, where's the outrage of the killing of the three doctors, two doctors and one of
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their sons? where's president karzai's apology after a trillion u.s. dollars and thousands of u.s. lives have been lost trying to save his country? i think it is despicable. where is the outrage of our government at a higher level than a spokesperson? i understand the president is in asia. this is absolutely abhorrent. the risk is if we leave, it is surely possible it goes back to a training ground for the taliban and then we are stuck with the same threats to our -- >> so what was done for the last 12 years, 13 years or so was for naught? >> i help the answer to that is no. abdullah abdullah the front-runner in this election. by the way, why does it take two weeks to count votes? we saw a hugely corrupt election in 2009 and i'm worried this could repeat and seeing warlords among these candidates, despicable people and this
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fellow doston uzbek, who has blood on his hands. i don't know yet. if there's a more competent transparent government surely the bar is very low, there is a chance afghanistan turns around and our efforts were for something real and we went against the people who attacked us on 9/11. >> from one horrible situation in afghanistan to another bad one unfolding in ukraine, looks like that situation could escalate. not only ukrainians very nervous about what they're up to, latvia and others. what does putin want? >> putin is a bully. he has aspirations to restore greater russia. i don't think it's the communist empire. i don't think he's a communist. i think he needs to be -- his effort -- we need to push back more effectively. our strength is our economy against his weak economy. john mccain's right he's a gas station with a bunch of corrupt
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warlords called olligarts around him. now he has to make investments in crimea. he obviously didn't learn colin powell's rule, you break it you own it. foreign investment is drying up. he's trying to borrow money on the international market. we should dry that up. president obama says we are ready to tee them up. yes, it will hurt u.s. firms in the short term and make it harder for u.s. to get fuel in the short term and longer term it will stop this man and be far less expensive and save a lot of lives >> in the short term, that gas station mccain calls it from russia dries up it will really hurt countries like germany and central europe who rely on that energy exports. >> there are other sources. >> in the short term. >> in the short term, yes, it
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will hurt. in the longer term, it will help. let's remember we have these newfound gas resources in america and if we are smart about this, next year, we're going to start exporting lng from houston. over the near term we can become the gas station and fuel station and think about cleaner better fuels for europe and that will help build jobs in america and secure us against tyrants like putin and also imploding governments in the middle east. >> it will take a while. jane harman from the wilson center, thanks for coming in. high school students return to the high school where hundreds of their students are dead or missing in the ferry disaster. more on that story as well. we have more from our own richard quest and his exclusive interview with the malay than prime minister. it just wrapped up. stand by. eed e it up. that's today?
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welcome back. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. it's now the 49th day of flight 370's disappearance. malaysia's prime minister is speaking out about the incident exclusively with our own richard quest, joining us from kuala lumpur, the capital. the prime minister hasn't talked about the plane in three weeks but today opening up dramatically to you. you told us earlier he's ready
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to release his government's preliminary report on what happened in the disappearance of that plane next week but also talked about the first few weeks of the investigation. tell us what else you learned during the course of this interview. >> i just also realized the prime minister also is planning to release many more reports and documents into what's happening i've been told in the last few minutes. wolf, on this other question, the data, regular viewers will be well aware i'm talking about the satellite handshakes that told them the plane had been flying more than 6 1/2 hours, up to 7 hours. there were 6 1/2 of these handshakes. these handshakes between the plane and the satellite, they form the entire basis for the sear search, first the corridors north and south and then into the south indian ocean. and time and again, wolf, people
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have said, why are they so sure? what makes them so convinced about the sat data? could it be wrong? there was only one man to ask and that was the prime minister. why was he so sure? >> to be honest i find it hard to believe to begin with because how could a plane supposed to be heading towards beijing, they could decide that the plane ended halfway towards antarctica. it's a bizarre scenario none of us could have contemplated. when i met the chief, mind you the foremost experts in the aviation industry. they are the experts as you know. they come from the united states, they come from uk, they were there. i asked them, are you sure? i asked them again and again,
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are you sure? their answer was we are as sure as we possibly can be. >> again and again, are you sure? as sure as we can possibly be. if that categodata is in some w wrong or inaccurate, what then? the prime minister said to me clearly, there is no other evidence. this is what they've got to work with. liste listen. >> this is very very different from the air france incident, very different from other incidents, this is totally unprecedented. what do we have going for us? what is the evidence? the evidence simply lie with the pings, the handshakes that we have annualized. that's all we have.
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>> wolf, there was so much more and it will come out in the programs ahead. one point just to note, when i asked him would they continue to search for however long and however much it would cost, the prime minister said -- he sort of gave a long answer. i said a yes or a no, please, prime minister, he said, yes, we'll continue to search for as long as we can afford it. >> did he give you any hint at all, richard, whether he believes the disappearance of this plane was the result of some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure or some sort of criminal action by individuals? >> i asked him that. i had several goes at it. he said he has his theories, but he has no evidence to back them up. so i pushed, come on, prime minister, what is it? he wouldn't go there. wolf, i'm none the wiser of what his theory of what he believes
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happened because he has no evidence. i think that is exactly the way the stakes are played for many of us who have really looked at this over the last six, seven weeks. we have our theory but every theory has a hole in it somewhere along then journey of the flight. >> richard quest in kuala lumpur is staying with us. he has more to report. richard, we'll get back to you in a moment. we also have our panel of experts and getting immediate e reaction with this exclusive interview with the malaysian prime minister. more coming up in a minute. stay with us. [ chainsaw buzzing ] humans. sometimes, life trips us up. sometimes, we trip ourselves up. and although the mistakes may seem to just keep coming at you, so do the solutions. like multi-policy discounts from liberty mutual insurance.
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telling our richard quest he was shocked, shocked to hear the plane could have ended up in the southern indian ocean. let's bring back our panel of experts. forria younis, former fbi. give us two of the three main headlines that emerged from this exclusive interview, richard? >> i think the two or three headlines, out of respect for the families and next of kin, he will not declare the plane lost even though that will delay the claiming of full compensation to the montreal convention. secondly, he is saying that he really did make very sure about the inmarsat data before he went ahead with his statements. finally, wolf, on the question of the families, he understands
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why the families do not accept the information that they are being given by them. they are being given information but he says the reasons why they cannot get the information that will lead them to the answers they want, which is the plane and their loved ones. >> hold out for a moment, richard. peter and forria are here. give me your immediate reaction. he seems like a very cool prime minister. he was not emotional. he answered the questions but he seemed to be a little bit, like all malaysians overwhelm ed rigt now because they never anticipated something like this could happen. >> i thought it was an extraordinarily effective interview. he was really quite compassionate when he said, i want to know whether the pings were accurate. you listen to him and he said, this guy asked the right questions. i think everyone was overwhelmed by this. how mysterious is this?
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>> you've spent a lot of time in that part of the world. from the beginning i never thought the malaysians were ill-willed, evil, i thought this was a total surprise for them. they had no experience in dealing with the disappearance of an airliner along these lines, as a result, they screwed it up to a certain degree. >> that could be said, not just the malaysians, i don't think they've ever dealt with something like this. the malaysians haven't had a major serious critical incident. when it comes to handling the victims and media, seems like they're going through a learning process, trying to catch up. they made serious mistakes in the beginning and i think that caused them a lot of hardships. >> share your thought on his demeanor and thoughts and attitude, what was going on? >> totally in control. this is a prime minister who is not extravagant in language. he is western educated.
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he comes from a deeply political family. his father was prime minister. very steeped into the establishment of this country. but he is not given to hyperbole. he very -- when he says -- i asked, are you sure? are you sure? it's almost technocratic. it is not your politician full of bluster noise. so when he sat down with me tonight, he knew exact exactly -- there were no rules, there was no games, there was no, you can't ask this, let me make absolutely clear about this, wolf, we would not have sat down if there had been, not given guidelines, nothing. ask what you want. you have 30 to 40 minutes with the prime minister. please remember to ask about president obama's visit to malaysia, which you'll hear hopefully tomorrow on this program, his answers about that. he's a very impressive operator
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period. >> president obama will be where you are kuala lumpur, what, in a couple days, is that right? >> yes. he gets here on saturday. it's the first visit by a sitting u.s. president in 48 years. it's a crucially important visit because of the position malaysia finds itself between china and the united states. >> a critical visit indeed. stand by, richard. our panelists standing by, much more coming up. we're taking you behind then scenes. what was going on in richard quest's exclusive interview with the malaysian prime minister when he wanted to speak to the world, he spoke to cnn. those little things still get you.
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>> let's wrap up this conversation a little bit. peter, first to you. it sounds to me like even the prime minister of malaysia isn't even 100% convinced that the search was in the right area. >> i think he has shown how difficult it was. the pings were a presumption but boy it's a big ocean and he's not quite sure. i thought his interview was very effective. >> it was a very strong interview and we learned a lot of what is going on. it still raises a lot of
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question questions they announced they they will put an international body of investigators together. at the end of the date as an investigation, they are looking for evidence and they need to find out the debris or find the plane. >> you're there. he turned to you to speak out, they should have done this weeks ago. so give us some thoughts right now we're going to be sharing a lot more of this interview throughout the day and night right here on cnn. >> other sources here in malaysia have told me tonight, it's been one of those nights that we will expect to hear from the australian prime minister probably on monday about the future direction of the search. basically we don't know what he's going to say but they're
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putting together what they're going to do next. wolf, mistakes were made but fundamentally, everything that has been done has been done for good cause whether it was the search down to the further south. there has been no fundamental errors made except, of course, on the night when they didn't send planes up. but this idea that somehow the malaysians completely bhungaled it, made terrible mistakes, wasted vast amounts of time it simply doesn't add up. it's presentational. >> richard is going to be with us, of course, sharing much more on cnn and cnn international. excellent work as usual.
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>> there was a significant escalation of violence in the ukraine today.
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the prime minister does say there is still room for palestinian authority leader to change course. we're going to keep you informed of this very fluid situation. on a very different note, let's go to washington and a tender moment over at the white house as one visitor was thinking of helping her father during take your child to work today. watch as the little girl gets a big hug. >> my dad has been out of a job for three years and i wanted to give you his resume. >> oh my goodness. >> mrs. obama told the crowd that it's a little private but that she's doing something for her dad. the girl's father has been out of a job for a few years so she gave the first lady, as you
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heard, his resume. >> there has been a spike in violence in chicago's south side. people there are taking a stand. our original series chicagoland catches what is going on. you will want to catch the finale right here on cnn. brooke baldwin continues our coverage here on cnn. >> wolfe, thank you so much as always. great to be with you as always on this thursday. you are about to hear, top of the hour, malaysia's prime minister answering cnn's questions on these secretive and bhungaled handling of flight 370. but first an alarming realization. searchers may be about to be out of options. that fragment that washed ashore, could it be, might it