something else. you're carrying the constitution around. i want to make sure we're on the same page of understanding what the law is here. the federal constitution allows the government to own land. you know that. they charge a lower fee than market rate, what private landowners own. it's kind of like a subsidy you get for using their land. you refuse to pay it. >> you're wrong. you're wrong. >> how? >> this is a sovereign state. sovereign state of nevada. >> every state is a sovereign state. >> the federal government has nothing to do with public land here in nevada. the united states government has nothing to do. very limited, maybe something to do with, like, ellis air force base, maybe lake meade recreation office buildings. them are the two things they purchased from nevada under the constitution. nevada is a sovereign state.

the land within this state belongs to the state of nevada, not the united states. you've got to understand that. the constitution does not allow -- this is a sovereign state of nevada. >> mr. bundy, every state with a sovereign state within the united states of america. >> this is a jurisdiction question, who has ownership of this land. >> there is no jurisdiction question. >> is it the state of nevada or the united states? >> i'm telling you there is no legitimate issue there. the bureau of land management was founded in 1946, and they never owned that land. it was always federal. because of the taylor act in the '30s, they would have had to pay grazing fees anyway. you know this. you've been not paying your fees. they came after you. you can argue it was too aggressive, too military. they say it was in response to threats from you. but you have to look at the situation. you want to be plain spoken and honest, own up to what your situation is. >> i am. and i'll own up to the fact that

this is a sovereign state and they do not have jurisdiction. they do not have authority. they do not have policing power and i won't back down on that. i'll take it all the way to the supreme court however you want to do it. that's the way it is. >> then file suit, mr. bundy. that's the right way to do it. >> i don't file suit against the government. they filed suit against me. >> that's because you're not paying your fees like every other rancher. >> no. they want total jurisdiction and authority. they want policing power. they want to make this a policing state. that's what they've done in clark county the last few weeks is make this a policing state in america. >> there's no question it has gotten ugly there. nobody likes that. mr. bundy, if you're going to hold yourself out as somebody who represents fundamental freedom in america, make sure you're living by its laws. >> okay. let me tell you something, if i have to say i'm sorry here, it's

not because of my thoughts, maybe it's because of my words. my thoughts have been loyal to the constitution and my country and my thoughts have been loyal to we the people. i'm talking about all ethnic people in this country. i don't like to sayeth nick. i think they're equal and they should have their seat anywhere in the bus. i would be proud to sit by them anywhere in that bus. >> mr. bundy, i'm sure there are people who appreciate your apology. i'm not here to judge you. thank you for coming on "new day" and clarifying the situation. good luck going forward. so much for mr. bundy for now. a lot of news this morning. for that we'll get you to the "newsroom" with carol costello. i'm sorry i ran over. >> i'd like to talk about it, chris. it was an incredible interview, because mr. bundy's comments have left -- it's united both the left and the right in disgust. as you were talking to mr. bundy, you get the sense he just

doesn't understand why he's offended anyone with his comments about slavery and race and he used the word negro. he just doesn't seem to get it. >> i think that's maybe a fair analysis. i don't know. i can't speak for his sophistication, i can't speak for what's in his heart. certainly we're not here to judge him. we're here to give voice to something, because he has become symbolic of legitimate political and legal issues. that's wife he got a lot of legitimate people supporting him. when he took this step and said things that are on their face offensive, now he's got to be held to account for that, if not for himself, for all the people standing behind him. why he said it, does he understand it, the stuff about martin luther king, i think it further confuses the picture. hopefully people won't take him seriously on that level. also, carol, it's important to note. if he's going to be held out as a symbol for the over reaching of government, there's a legitimate question about whether he's going to be following the laws that are pretty clear. for all you can say about big

government reaching into people's lives, i don't know that he's a fair example. >> some say they have a legitimate gripe. the state of nevada own as huge percentage of land in the state and it charges fees to use that land in part because of endangered pe cease. these ranchers say they that's not fair, they ought to be able to buy that land and they can't because of the federal government. that's a legitimate gripe. you're right, it should be taken through the proper channels. >> you have to make sure you have the right people representing the station as well. those are all legitimate issues on many of the people who produce the food in this country, have had a hard time with government for all we hear about subsidies and everything else. it's tough to make it in that business right now. as the federal government goes, the fees that they pay on federal land are often submarket fees in terms of what private landowners own. there's no question they're legitimate issues. you have to make sure you have the right people being held out as representative of those

issues and you don't get distractions like this. then the legitimate conversation becomes second to one that is productive, to say the least, carol. i want to go back and play some of your interview with cliven bundy. he's the rancher that sparked so much controversy surrounding these racist comments he made about negroes and slavery and such. let's play your interview and then i'll bring in brian steltzer. >> i'll tell you who is responsible for this. this calf would produce something for america. now this calf is dead. that's what the rest of the ranchers do, produce for america. they're producers. we're not out here just having fun and having a party. we're out here trying to produce food for your people. that's what we're doing. i followed all the nevada state

laws trying to produce for you people. >> i also want to bring in brian tell zer of reliable sources. clive bundy's actions have had some effects. some conservatives are rallied to his side over this land issue, including some popular republicans right at the moment. i want our viewers to be totally brought up to date, i want them to listen to what clive bundy said about race. let's play that. >> i want to tell you one more thing i know about the negro, they abort their young children, they put their young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. i often wondered are they better off as slaves picking cotton, having family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy. >> those remarks were first reported by "the new york times." they set off this firestorm and sparked reaction from some republicans who had supported mr. bundy in the past. among them rand paul who

originally supported bundy's case. he now says bundy's comments were offensive and i wholeheartedly disagree with him. that's a direct quote from rand paul. i think brian steltzer, these comments will linger no matter that republicans came out and immediately condemned what mr. bundy said. >> so did some of the hosts on fox news that had been sympathizing with bundy, bringing him on and giving sympathetic interviews, not asking all the hard questions we just heard chris cuomo ask. we saw those hosts also distance themselves from bundy yesterday. i agree with you it will linger. this is an example of something called slavery nostalgia, whether he think this is is what it is or not, there's a history in this country of those kinds of words being brought up, those swords of ideas being brought up. it's reprehensible you can hear that nostalgia for that part of

our country's past. we've seen it in the past and we're seeing it and hearing it again. >> the danger here is militia, armed men have appeared on mr. bundy's ranch, and i believe they're still there. it makes you wonder if all of this will inflame things further. >> i hope not, carol. i hope that people see a very bright line distinction between what is supposedly being represented in the actions as rancher and the fight for land and ability to prosper with this ugliness. the reason i did not repeat the words is because they're not worthy of being repeated. you hope for several things in this situation. one, that the ugliness of these words, which is obvious, is an opportunity to say that, that they're wrong, not just to repeat his words, but that they're wrong, and that you don't paint everyone who supported him with this brush. there are good politicians, good people in the media. sean hannity has been behind dlooif venn bundy. he's a good man. he doesn't support any of these things. because bundy says them, doesn't mean his supporters believe

them. you also hope that the legitimate issues, as you pointed out, carol, of the ranchers don't get brushed away because of stupid talk like this. that's what it is. we try to stay objective objectively. this is stupid talk that we were hearing. you have to give him a clans to apologize. i think you leave it at that and don't paint ever bod which the same brush. >> the issue of guilt by association is very troubling in any case including this one. on the other hand, if you are going to -- if you're a politician, you're going to support rancher like this, you should probably know a bit more about this person first. >> i agree wholeheartedly with brian shelter. you shouldn't jump on the bandwagon. >> these comments were recorded last weekend. we didn't know about it for five days. if fox news was going to spend five days talking about this guy, they probably should have had a reporter there. >> fair point. when you play to the extremes which is what politics is

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the search for malaysian airlines flight 3 70 is wrapping up its seventh week. we're approaching a milestone for the underwater drone t bluefin-21. it's almost finished scanning the initial search zone. if no wreckage is found in the coming hours, australian authorities say the drone will move into an expanded area. in the meantime in beijing families are demanding answers, protesting in front of the malaysian embassy. malaysia's prime minister shows signs of bending, says his government will indeed release the preliminary report on the plane's disappearance. in an exclusive interview with cnn, the prime minister also said he's not ready to abandon hope pour the plane or for those on board.

>> are you prepared to say the plane is lost? >> right now i think i need to take into account the feelings of the family. some say they're not willing to accept it until they find hard evidence. >> cnn's richard quest joins us with more of his ex-clup sive sit-down interview with malaysia's prime minister. good morning, richard. >> reporter: good morning, carol. i think of all the aspects of this story, besides the search, the deep grinding search trying to find the plane, none is more heartbreaking than the families and their search for an sefrmts they continually asking questions of the government and the airline. they get some answers that told some of them can't be given for investigative reasons, of course, there are those members of the family, carol, that still

believe the plane may have landed somewhere. so you have a wide range of family views which is why, when i spoke to the prime minister, i needed to point out however good they think they are doing, the families think they're doing a terrible job. >> the next of kin continue to asking questions and they believe they're not getting answers. they believe various technical facts are not being given to them. can you tonight reassure them that they are being given the information. if they believe they're not, that you personally will make sure that they will? >> i know this is a very, very excruciatingly painful time for them. i understand that. and we've done our best. we've done many, many briefings, and we give them as much information as we could in terms of information that could be --

that were corroborated. as i promised, next week we will release the preliminary report that we sent to icao. but the most important information that they want and sadly the one that we cannot provide is where is the plane. >> reporter: the families, of course, continue to be the key area for ml lash yeah, and the prime minister chooses his words extremely carefully. whether it's refusing to say the plane is lost, whether it's saying that malaysia will continue to search up to the limits of affordability or indeed as he did at the beginning of the search process, when he said that the plane had been turned by somebody deliberately, what did he mean

by that? >> you've given two statements, one on the 14th or 15th, one on the 24th. they are major statements of the direction of the plane. >> sure. >> when you describe it as deliberate action by somebody on the plane, that word deliberate is very carefully chosen. it doesn't tell us whether it's deliberate nefarious or deliberate because of mechanical issues. you didn't want to say which. >> precisely. it was very, very carefully chosen. of course, given the facts -- mind you, richard, the cardinal rule that we used from day one was always follow the evidence. the evidence that were presented to us meant that that was precisely the right word for me to use. >> which do you believe it is?

nefarious, mechanical, or are you prepared to say? >> not at this stage. it would be wrong for me to speculate because you need hard evidence, richard. >> reporter: and so, carol, the lack of hard evidence, the lack of bluefin-21 finding anything, what i fear we're coming to is a shift and a change in the whole process. the immediate crisis has come to an end, that immediate fast search of 30 days for pinging sounds has come to an end, the narrow search has come to an end, everybody in the days and weeks ahead will be getting ready for a much more detailed, a much harder, a much longer slog to find out what happened. >> richard quest reporting live for us this morning. thank you. i want to talk about this more, i want to bring in mary schiavo, former inspector general for the u.s. transportation department.

she now represents airplane disaster victims and their families. also aviation attorney mark dom broth who represents airlines in litigation. welcome to both of you. >> thank you, carol. >> thank you. >> i specifically want to talk to you both about this idea -- one of the family members suggested that they go to the boeing shareholders meeting to get to answers. mary, how feasible is that? >> actually it's been done before. there's an organization in the united states called the national air disaster alliance. they are very civil and they attend and ask questions at the shareholder's meeting. it's a perfectly legitimate way to do it but they are shareholders. whether they would be allowed to speak or not as family members would be at issue. you can require only shareholders at a shareholders meeting. it's been done before and sometimes quite successfully if done properly and respectfully.

sure. >> mark, would boeing have any obligation to respond to these requests from the families? >> carol, shareholders meetings are not accident investigations. the fact of the matter is boeing like the federal aviation administration in the united states is participating in the accident investigation under the international civil aviation rules and malaysian rules. the likelihood that anybody that is a participant in the investigation is going to speak publicly as opposed to the malaysian government which is leading the investigation is highly unlikely, and so no, i don't think it's appropriate. it's no more appropriate than going to the fbi, the families going to the fbi and demanding answers. simply we're not in a position, the parties that are part of the investigation are simply not in a position to go off on their own and start releasing information. >> mary, i don't equate boeing with the fbi. if i'm a family member who has lost a loved one on board that plane, i wants to know from

boeing if there are any known mechanical problems with boeing 777s. if they're involved in the investigation, i might want to know what they found out? can they give me any information at all? isn't that fair? >> well, usually what they ask, when other people that i'm familiar with, the national air disaster lines has gone to shareholders meeting. they are shareholders. they own stock. they usually ask proactive things. for example, in this one, there's been a lot of issues raised about the plane being impossible to be found. would it be possible for boeing to construct their planes such as, a, you cannot turn off the transponders or b, that this system status messaging, acars cannot be turned off in the future. that seems like a legitimate question that could be asked by a shareholder. >> mark, i think that would be legitimate. even if boeing put out some sort of statement, it might calm the families. why would that be harmful to boeing in any way? >> i think the issue is what

people want to ask of boeing or anybody else in this regard. certainly the impression is that, that's been left out there, if they want to go to the shareholder meetings and they want answers because they're not getting them from the mall like government. at the rix of repeating myself, a shareholder middle easting is not an accident investigation. it's not the forum for these sorts of things to occur. no, i don't agree that's properly. certainly if somebody is a sharehold shareholder, they should ask any legitimate question of a company in terms of that company's business. but in terms of accident investigations, as much as they may not like it and as poorly a job as the malaysian government has done, the malaysian government is the source of the information here, and hopefully, as richard's interview with the prime minister showed, some information is going to come forward. i'm not optimistic that a preliminary report is going to

give anybody the answers they want. in fact, it may raise more credibility issues in terms of the families, but it's the malaysian government that should be the source of the information. >> mary schiavo, mark dombroff, thank you for your insight. i appreciate it. >> thank you, carol. >> thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," tensions shoulder and fears rise as ukraine and russia teeter on the brink of war. we'll talk to an american congressman who just got back from the embattled ukraine. meatball yelling c'mon, you want heartburn? when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast, with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact. and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... tums! help keep teeth clean and breath fresh. with beneful healthy smile snacks. with soft meaty centers and teeth cleaning texture,it's dental that tastes so good. beneful healthy smile food and snacks. became big business overnight?

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>> i bet it is. things don't seem to be settling down in ukraine at all. how would you characterize it? >> it's clearly a country on edge. at the same time, you're talking to the public and cultural and political leaders. it is a country that is facing an underdog's role with extraordinary optimism. >> well, it sort of seems the sanctions are working since standard & poor's slashed russia's credit rating, a good sign from our perspective. >> sure. the ruble is at an all-time low. the stock market is down 20%. this is clearly a financial war that putin can't handle. i'm not sure if he realizes that. >> he doesn't seem to care. >> no, he doesn't seem to care. we met with mr. yanukovych's former chief. he explained -- he knew mr. putin well in the old days. he thought -- it was

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his comments have united the left and the right in disgust. i'm talking about cliven bundy, the nevada rancher who became a conservative darling in recent weeks during a high-profile standoff with the federal government. at issue, bundy's cattle have been grazing on public land in nevada for 20 years while he paid no knees, no taxes, no nothing. some on the right rallied to bundy's side after claiming he was taking a stand against government over reach. bundy says the land in question has been in his land for generations and he has every right to graze his cattle. this morning with chris cuomo he defended his actions. >> what is the point of complaint about you is you don't do what other ranchers do. out haven't done it for 20 years. you're supposed to pay for the use of the land. your state constitution says that you should pay for it. the constitution in your pocket

that you have inside your jacket says that the government, the federal government can own land. you know all of this but you're resisting the rules -- >> okay. how much land does this say they can own? how much land does it say they can own? you tell me. that's a very good question. in five minutes you can figure out how much land they can own. you tell me. >> the constitution in article 1 section 8 and in the fifth amendment gives the federal government the right to appropriate and purchase land. your state constitution recognizes -- >> for what person? for what purpose? >> for purposes it deems appropriate. >> for what purpose can they do it? no, it don't say that. >> it absolutely does. you should read the book as opposed to just hold it in your pocket maybe. if you look at your state constitution, it says it respects the federal law. that's why your ranchers, your brother and sister ranchers pay the fees that you refuse to.

you come on the show, you hold up a dead calf and that makes everybody upset. but you should look at yourself for why the calf is dead. if you paid the fees, this wouldn't have happened. isn't that a fair point? >> no, it's not. >> because? >> not a fair point at all. this is the united states of america. i live in a sovereign state, the state of nevada, and i abide by all the state laws. i'll be damned if this is property of the united states. they have no business here. >> the media spotlight that first highlighted bundy's dispute with the feds has now turned into a scorcher. cnn senior media correspondent brian stelter has a closer look at how conservative media helped launch this unknown rancher into the mainstream. >> reporter: from angry grants. >> your government has gone absolutely mild. >> reporter: to news made to

look like an old western showdown. >> meet cliven bundy. >> reporter: conservative outlets, most notably fox news, turned cliven bundy into a star. >> they've got snipers surrounding his ranch over grazing fees. >> reporter: his clash two weeks ago with federal authorities drew national attention when wranglers came to impound the cattle, cameras were there. it was after that the conservative media went wild. >> now igniting a state-wide movement. >> reporter: by then jon stewart had heard enough. how is this guy bun day hero for ignoring federal law? >> reporter: maybe fox would have moved on, but senate majority leader, democrat harry reid said this about bundy's supporters. >> these people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. they're nothing more than domestic terrorists.

>> reporter: lines drawn, sides chosen as liberal msnbc attacked, fox news, led by sean hannity shoots back. >> are they going to send 200 armed agents to everybody's house, snipers to everybody's house? we're not ashamed of our coverage. we're proupd of our coverage. >> reporter: a new tea party celebrity had been born. >> mr. bundy is a sin veer man. >> and a hero. he happens to be at the voer techs of this anti-government movement. >> reporter: brian stelter, cnn, new york. >> after all that took place, mr. bundy uttered some comments to "the new york times." i'll just -- do we have that by bite ready? he's recalling driving past a public housing project in north las vegas. in this bite that you will hear, this is what he felt. >> i want to tell you one more thing i know about the negro, they abort their young children, put their young men in jail

because they never learned how to pick cotton. and i've often wondered are they better off as slaves picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy. >> all right. some of those same conservative outlets are distancing themselves from bundy at the scrutiny intensifies over his comments about race. this all started with the rancher's refusal to pay the feds more than $1 million in government fees for grazing his cattle on public land. here is how he explained his stance to cnn's bill weir. >> reporter: you're grazing your cows on public land for free. so how are you not sort of a welfare queen in a cowboy hat? >> well, you know, i might be a welfare queen. i'm producing something in america and using a resource

nobody could use or would use. i'm putting red meat on your table. maybe i'm not doing enough, but i'm trying. >> there are 16,000 other ranchers in nevada who pay grazing fees. aren't you mooching off of them? >> well, i'll tell you, there's 16,000 people not very happy, and there's 16,000 people that have signed contracts with the united states government, and they should be thinking about sovereignty of the state of nevada and signing contracts with their county government, not the united states. i can tell them that much. >> joining me now, crystal wright, editor of the blog conservativeblackchick.com. welcome, crystal. >> nice to be here, i guess. thanks for having me. >> a tough conversation. some high-profile republicans, rand paul rushed to bundy's side initially, praising his tough talk on the federal government. has it backfired now? >> absolutely. i'm a big fan of senator paul's.

i have to say the republican party of conservatives looked very bad. one minute we're trying to uphold the constitution, tell people to follow the laws of the land and we embrace and anarchist like cliven bundy who says, hey, federal laws don't matter to me, i'm going to disregard them. he's disregarded them since 1993. carol, i don't know about you, i can't go around not paying my taxes. there are a lot of federal laws i don't like. it looks bad. it makes them -- not only do we bring spotlight to this man that's breaking laws. then he says people like me would be better off picking cotton and being owned by white people during slavery times. >> just his use of the word negros is disturbing. it's mind-boggling. what's really sad about this, republicans have been trying to make the tent bigger, trying to attract minorities to the party. this isn't helping. >> no, it's not.

that's the one thing that -- i woke up this morning, and the more i thought about it, that's the very thing i said when i was getting dressed. i was thinking to myself, talking to my mom. we have a real problem bringing minorities in the party, giving them a reason to vote republican or even consider voting republican. we embrace a racist like cliven bundy who is not only a racist, but a law breaker. i'm really disgusted. as a black tv who has been wanting for the party to grow, i'm beyond disgusted. i don't think it's enough for us to say, oh, we done demmed bundy. we never should have embraced him in the first place. it sends the wrong message. >> i heard your voice quiver. you're really upset about this. >> i am. i was talking to my mom before i came on the show. like she said, the whole point

of slavery and the whole point of emancipation was that racist white people didn't want blacks to be treated as equals because they knew that we weren't inferior. they knew if we got access to the same rights that they have, we would excel, right? so in 2014 for cliven bundy say i would be better off picking cotton. i've never picked cotton. if he thinks slavery was so great, maybe he needs to go back in time and be owned by somebody with no rights instead of ranching and not paying the million dollars in grazing fees he owes. i think it's an awful day for conservatives. we need serious reflection about the direction we're headed. we're not going to win 2016 with this attitude. we keep doing things the same old way. unfortunately we have old white men saying of phone sive things to women and minorities, and i'm tired of it.

>> do you think that -- i think in this day and age when we're all so partisan that when we see someone out there who seems to be supporting our views, we rush to their side, we make them into this folk hero without really checking them out. and perhaps that's what happened in this case. >> look, i do think that conservatives like renegades. they like people who are going to stand up against big government. hey, i stand up against big government every day. i don't like obama kaerks but it's the law of the land. i think our efforts would have been better to say, hey, members of congress, you don't like the bureau of land management, how it con dufkts its business, introduce legislation. i think you're right. we're so partisan now, we can't even have an honest discussion about race. to call me a negro in the year 2014, mr. bundy, is offensive. so i think you need to go back, do your homework, get some sensitivity training and pay your bills. >> in fairness, there were many

prominent republicans who immediately responded to this and said this is wrong, we disavow what this man saying, he has nothing to do with us. what do republicans need to do to make this go away and make it better? >> i think it's great that final lip republicans are coming out very quickly and condemning comments like this. but the way you make it better, frankly, carol, is you need to bring blacks and women at the table and not just hire them to do blackoutreach. i have had people contact me and say, crystal, can you help me with blackout reach? don't get me wrong, i'm a public relations consultant. clients hire me to do all kinds of media. they need to stop looking at black people as this other kind of group. we need to be brought into the party at all levels, at all job levels, at all strategic levels. stop looking at us like we're this kind of weird animal.

we've been around since the beginning of time just like you. we're no different than you. i think if they would include more minorities and women at the table for strategic discussions, you wouldn't have these missteps because somebody would say, hey, guys, i don't think we should embrace mr. bundy. let's do our homework here. >> crystal wright, thank you for being with me this morning. i appreciate it. >> thanks, carol. a chicago doctor in afghanistan to help children is shot and killed by a man assigned to protect him. you won't believe what this victim's family said. it's amazing. we'll be right back. i'm on expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you.

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a doctor once said he felt pulled to treat those in afghanistan. an afghan security guard fired on him and four others. his wife says they love the people of afghanistan and holds no grudge against the alleged shooter. >> doing well. this baby has done dramatically, remarkably well for how small the baby was. >> it was his cooling. the chicago pediatrician cared about afghanistan's tiniest patients. >> jerry is from chicago.

>> reporter: that's the doctor with the christian radio host tending to patients at the international hospital in kabul. >> family and friends have suffered a great loss. our hearts are aching. >> reporter: his wife said her husband loved the afghan people. hours before an afghan security guard shot and killed him, he told a friend he was excited about a new program to teach afghan women health care skills. >> he was a loving, caring physician who served his patients with the utmost respect. >> the doctor had volunteered in kabul for the past seven years. even though her husband and two other americans were killed by an afghan guard. >> we don't hold any ill will toward afghanistan in general.

or even the gunman who did this. we don't know what his history is. >> reporter: the shooter, an off-duty police officer, shot himself and was treated at the same hospital where he opened fire before being handed over to afghan authorities. in our next hour, we'll have more on the mission of the doctor. we'll talk with a colleague of the murdered doctor who spent seven years working with him at that chicago hospital. australian officials say bluefin-21 may expand the zone it's searching for that missing malaysia airplane if it doesn't find anything in the current search area. it has completed 95% of its mission circling the side of the best black box pinger lead. the flight's data recorder will be key in solving the mystery. could we learn something from passenger cell phones? ted rowlands has more for you.

>> reporter: some of the final messages from passengers on flight 370 could be with the missing plane at the bottom of the indian ocean. unsent texts, e-mails and photos to loved ones. but could they be retrieved if the plane is found? >> absolutely. it's a matter of finding the devices and determining what damage was associated with them and handling them properly. >> reporter: we decided to see if it's possible by putting this cell phone in salt water. we turned off transmission and tried to send e-mail and text. i'll take video of the chicago river and stills and see if those survivor. we took our phone to chicago's shedd aquarium. using water from the ocean floor exhibit, they prepared this pressure chamber for our phone. >> we have salt compositions right. temperature is very cold. not as cold as it will be in the indian ocean but pretty close.

now we have a pressure chamber. the plan is to leave our phone in water for a week and see if our text, e-mails and videos can be retrieved. it's 2:30 on april 8th. we'll place it into our chamber right now. this is going directly into saltwater that simulates the indian ocean. reason seconds saltwater fills the inside of the phone. eight days later two computer forensic experts come to the aquarium to remove the phone. >> i can see the salt corrosion building up on the outside of the phone. it's just whether or not it made its way all of the way inside, built on top of electronics and whether it damaged the memory chip. >> reporter: our phone is kept in water. >> we'll keep it in the same water it was in until we get it back to the lab and get it in a solution where we clean it up. >> reporter: a few hours

later -- >> it just ate the plastic. >> reporter: the phone is pulled apart. the board is bathed in an 80-degree ultrasonic cleaner several times and any tiny salt deposits are chipped away. >> this is where data is held and stored. this is looking pretty good. >> reporter: the chip is then actually removed using heat. >> it was in pretty good shape. the next step quite honestly is pop it into an adapter like this. >> reporter: eventually there it is. the e-mails i tried to send, the text message and even the photos and a portion of the video we recorded of the chicago river. while our experiment with the aquarium tank is not the same as the indian ocean, our experts believe they could also retrieve data from cell phones on flight 370. >> the chips are fairly well protected. we were able to get the data off. i think it will be possible.

>> reporter: bottom line, carol, it's about the chips. they're on the panels here and they're very well protected. even months in the indian ocean, our experts say, they think if found can be found, they'll be able to retrieve the data from those phones. we're talking about hundreds of phones. almost little mini black boxes depending on what was going on onboard that plane. answers and emotional messages to family could be locked in those little chips. >> let's hope they find something. ted rowlands reporting live for us this morning. thank you. the next hour of "newsroom" after a break. drivers, tgo!our marks. it's chaos out there. but the m-class sees in your blind spot... pulls you back into your lane... even brakes all by itself. it's almost like it couldn't crash... even if it tried.

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lost? >> a cnn exclusive. richard qwest grills the malaysian prime minister. the radar pings, the slow response and why malaysian authorities have not turned over their findings so far. >> there's a likelihood that next week we could release the report. >> why not release it now? also, he burst on the scene as a conservative folk hero. >> i would take a bullet for that man if need be. >> standing up to the federal government but now -- >> i want to tell you one more thing i know. they abort their young children. they put their your men in jail because they never learned to pick cotton. >> on cnn defending his remarks. >> if i'm wrong, okay. i don't think i'm wrong. i think i'm right. plus, russia's credit rating

slashed thanks to u.s. sanctions but violence still reigns in ukraine. >> this was a scene of a confrontation between the ukrainian military and the pro-russian forces. >> you're live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. his comments united left and right in disgust. i'm talking about the nevada rancher who became a conservative darling in recent weeks during a high-profile standoff with the federal government. the issue, his cattle have been grazing on public land for 20 years while he paid no fees, no taxes, no nothing. some on the right rally to his side after he claimed he was taking a stand against government overreach. bundy says the land in question has been in his family for generations and he has every right to graze his cattle there but now supporters are backing away after bundy went on a rant

about negroes, slavery and more. >> i want to tell you one more thing i know about the negro. they abort young children and put young men in jail because they never learned to pick cotton. are they better off as slaves picking cotton and having family life and doing things or are they better off in a government subsidy? >> those remarks first put out by "the new york times" sparked comments. rand paul now says his comments were offensive and i wholeheartedly disagree with him. for his part, bundy has defended his position. he spoke this morning with chris cuomo. >> what's the point of complaint about you is you don't do what other ranchers do. you haven't done it for 20 years. you're supposed to pay for the

use of the land. your state constitution says that you should pay for it. the constitution in your pocket that you have inside of your jacket says that the government, the federal government, can own land. you know all of this but you're resisting the rules. >> okay. how much land does it say they can own? how much land does it say they own? you tell me how much land it says they own. that's a very good question. in five minutes you can figure out how many land they can own. you tell me. >> the constitution in article 1 section 8 and fifth amendment gives the federal government the right to appropriate and purchase land. your state constitution recognizes -- >> for what purpose? >> for purposes that it deems appropriate. >> what purpose can they do it? >> specifically -- >> don't say that. >> absolutely it does. you should read the book instead of holding it in your pocket maybe. when you look at your state constitution, it says that it

respects the federal law and that's why your ranchers, your brother and sister ranchers, pay the fees that you refuse to. you come on the show. you hold up a dead calf and that makes everybody upset. you should look at yourself for why the calf is dead. if you paid the fees, this wouldn't have happened. isn't that a fair point? >> no, it's not. >> because? >> it's not a fair point at all. this is the united states of america. i live in a sovereign state of the state of nevada and i abide by all of their state laws. i'll be damned if this is property of the united states. they have no business here. reverend martin luther king wanted us to get over that type of stuff and i said it yesterday and i said it's time for a discussion about this. we need to get over this. i don't care what your race is. we need to get over this prejudice so words are not

offensive. they're not offensive to me. you can say them to me and i wouldn't be offended. >> let's talk about this. chris cuomo, anchor of "new day is here." good morning to all of you. chris, in listening to your interview, i don't think mr. bundy really understood how he offended people. >> maybe. maybe not. sometimes an explanation is an excuse. i think that it's important to hold him out as accountable for these words because he's become a legitimate symbol of something else that deserves discussion. i think that other than using it as an opportunity to once again make very clear what we think is acceptable and not acceptable when it comes to race is the value in it. i think examination beyond it winds up becoming counterproductive. his misunderstanding of the law and of the politics in his state

vis-a-vis ranchers are just as important because that's what his main issue is. this is a no-brainer. what he said was just wrong. >> and brian, i think that some people have said that the issues are separate. what mr. bundy said about race is one thing. what he said about nevada owning too much public land is another matter. but can you separate the two at this point? >> i was struck by how many commentators on the fox news channel which was the channel this month covering this story the most aggressively before the racist remarks surfaced, how many commentators said you can't separate the two. even though some of them are championing his cause earlier, they walked away from him very quickly yesterday once the comments were published and said you can't just condemn the comments. you have to condemn the man as well. >> dan simon, you have a very interesting perspective on this story. you interviewed mr. bundy's

bodyguard, right, that's how he describes himself? he's an african-american man and he said he would take a bullet for mr. bundy. tell us about that. >> first of all, carol, you know, mr. bundy said a lot of things over the past 24 hours. one thing he hasn't said is i'm sorry. that's because he isn't. we have seen all of these supporters now abandoning him but he does have one guy on his side. you talked about this bodyguard. take a look at what he had to say. >> i would take a bullet for that man if need be. i look up to him like i do my own grandfather. i believe in his cause and after having met mr. bundy a few times, i have a really good feel about him and i'm a good judge of character. he's shown me nothing but hospitality and treats me as his own family. >> instead of a buddy guard, he could probably use -- mr. bundy could use a public relations consultant but i don't know at this point it would make any difference. >> i'll direct this to chris.

blackchick.com, a republican, was hurt by these comments saying they will have a lingering effect on the republican party and that there's no two ways around it. >> one, i thought it was a moving interview you had with her. i thought there was real candor there and gets to the fact that at a certain point it's not rhetoric. it's real and it hurts. i think there is something that harkens back to more ugly time in our culture. i can only manuimagine how that feels for her and other members of the audience. brian has made points of guilt by association. it's difficult to extend his racist comments to anyone else, even though he didn't just say them just now. he's said them for at least a week. i think this is what happens when politics plays with the extremes. when you attach yourself to extreme individuals and ride

them, you often get extreme and o outrageous youtcomes. everyone jumped on him because he represented the angry american in the face of big government because it's so bad. now he says this. where are they left? there's a lesson in this. brian is spot on about it. >> do you think the lesson is learned, really? >> what he said is reprehensible because of how far he took it. within what he said there is a conservative critique of the american welfare state that we have heard from the right for years. and that we will continue to hear. he took it many steps too far. within what he said, there is something we've heard from others and maybe we'll hear it less as a result. maybe we'll hear it more. certainly on the right wing blogs in the last couple days we've seen some people condemn some of the exact words bundy used but agree with him on other things. it will stoke that conversation.

we may see politicians use this in different ways. not to distance themselves from bundy but get a conversation continuing. not about slavery but about the welfare state. >> are there militia members on mr. bundy's ranch? >> there definitely are. he still has lesions of followers. we'll see what happens in the wake of this. my sense is that nothing will change. they believe in this guy's broader message in terms of being anti-government. carol, there's been expression not too far away in las vegas playing with the house's money. it fits perfectly with mr. bundy. he could have been a winner in all this. the feds backed down in the wake of the show of force by him and his supporters. but he decided to take a victory lap and started talking about other things and for whatever reason, he decided to talk about race and that's why he's in this predicament. >> all right.

thanks to all of you. i appreciate it. still to come in the "newsroom," malaysia's prime minister vowing to continue the search for flight 370. >> we owe it to the families. we'll search and spend as much as we can, as much as we can afford, to find the missing plane. >> the search, the investigation and the avalanche of criticism against his government. his exclusive interview with cnn's richard qwest next. i've always kept my eye on her... but with so much health care noise, i didn't always watch out for myself. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still gonna give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. explaining my moderate to severe so there i was again, chronic plaque psoriasis to another new stylist. it was a total embarrassment. and not the kind of attention i wanted. so i had a serious talk with my dermatologist

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the search for flight 370 now wrapping up its seventh week and we're approaching a milestone for that underwater drone. the bluefin-21 almost finished scanning the initial search zone. the ten kilometer radius around the last detected ping. if no plane wreckage is found, australian authorities say the drone will then move into the surrounding area. in the meantime, in beijing, families are still demanding answers staging a protest in front of the malaysian embassy. about 100 relatives of those aboard the flight accuse malaysia's government of promising transparency in the investigation but failing to deliver and malaysia's prime minister shows signs of bending saying his government will volunteer more information but he won't concede his government

has mishandled the tragedy. here's some of the prime minister's comments in cnn's interview with richard qwest. >> the country has had a real kicking over the perception of the way it handled those early days. the phrase used in many case is malaysia bungled it. >> i have to be quite frank with you. i think first of all start from the premise is was unprecedented. we will agree it was unprecedented. it was the most technically challenging and complex issue that malaysia or any country for that matter and i believe even an advanced country would have great difficulty handling such an issue. some of the things we did well. we were very focused on searching for the plane. we didn't get our communications right, absolutely right to begin

with. i think that we got our act together. so i'm prepared to say that there are things we did well. there are things we didn't do too well. but we are prepared to look into it and we're prepared for this investigation team to do its objective assessment. >> in the last 24 hours you had the good example of what the critics say. the preliminary report. now, not only did malaysia not announce that it submitted the preliminary report, it still deciding whether or not to tell us we have it and to release it. even though it's got a safety recommendation within it. i have covered enough air crashes to know almost always this is the preliminary report published. so what we have, prime minister, is an investigation or minister who speaks the language of

transparency but the practicalities of seeming to do the opposite. >> i hear the voices out there, richard. so i have directed an internal investigation team of experts to look at the report and there's a likelihood that next week we could release the report. >> why not release it now, prime minister? is there something in it embarrassing to malaysia? >> i don't think so. i want the team to go through it. in the name of transparency, we'll release the report next week. >> you will? >> we will release it. >> prime minister says he knows families of missing passengers are undergoing an ordeal that is excruciatingly painful but says the government has done the best and given out as much information as possible.

welcome, gentlemen. >> hi. >> jeff, malaysia's prime minister told "the wall street journal" he's grateful to the united states and australia for their generosity and efforts in the search for flight 370. pretty nice, right? >> sure. there definitely is an international effort and that's one thing he's got going for him is there's a lot of partners in this. >> he said malaysia managed to get 26 countries together working supposedly in harmony to find this missing flight. >> it's not always clear how harmoniously they're working together. when we had the issue of chinese ship finding pings and releasing information through its own channels. bottom line is this is a big mess. he made noises as if there were small discrepancies at the beginning but it's ironed out. that narrative is incorrect. it's a hot mess. it isn't getting better.

if anything, the voices of indig nation are getting louder. i think we'll hear more voices demanding answers. it was extraordinary to see richard put his feet to the fire and extract a promise to release this information. >> and supposedly this information will be released, this preliminary report. the preliminary report probably won't say much. >> well, we don't know yet but it will all be information that is in the past. what we need to do now from an operational perspective is focus on what we've learned so far in the ocean which is not a great deal. so it looks like we're going to have to head back to using the data and start following that aircraft down along its flight path and to expand the search area to include that. >> so when the bluefin finishes its mission which is 95% done so by tomorrow or the next day the

bluefin will be done, will they pause in the investigation, review data and then decide how much larger that search area should be? >> yes, i think they will pause briefly. i don't think it will be a long pause. we have gone through a shift over the last week or so where in any search there's the initial rush to try to find survivors and then there's the ongoing urgency to capture the pinger acoustics before batteries fade but once we're past that phase, which is now, it's more important to slow down, take your time and get it right than it is to be fast and miss something. >> and along those lines, reuters talked to a u.s. official who said this search will now go on for years. i hope he's wrong. is he? >> we've heard talks about maybe this would cost a quarter of a billion dollars. the way forward is really

unclear at this point. one of the remarkable things that came out in richard qwest interview with the malaysian prime minister was that he was incredulous at the idea the plane had gone south halfway to antarcti antarctica. he didn't believe it. he asked officials and experts that have been convened, are they sure. are you really, really sure? only then did he go forward and tell the world and families of the missing passengers that they were in the ocean and there was no hope. he didn't say they were lost but he strongly implied they were lost. he didn't understand the map. no one has seen this map. it will be crucial if we'll spend all these years and fractions of billions of dollars to look for this plane, we need to understand why we're looking in this particular area. that needs to be cleared up. >> the only way we can figure that out at this point is above the water. we can't find anything below the water. >> well, you know, to be honest, i think this is being

overcomplicated. the data is compelling. the people that studied it and many agencies have now, all agree that it's conclusive. and so to search the last 300 or 400 miles of the flight's aircraft and do well outside of that area with sonar will not cost anything like the figures that are being talked about. you can accomplish that in around 60 days for the cost of less than 20 million. much, much smaller time figures and money figures being discussed. >> rob and jeff, thank you for your insight. i appreciate it. still to come on the "newsroom," remembering dr. jerry umanos. he was killed in afghanistan while taking care of the smallest afghans. children. we'll be right back.

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dr. jerry umanos said he felt called to work in afghanistan treating children and training other doctors. the chicago pediatrician was one of three americans killed by a gunman assigned to protect them. an afghan security guard fired on umanos and others in the hospital. his wife says the family loves the people of afghanistan and holds no grudge against the alleged shooter. for more on dr. jerry umanos and his legacy, i want to bring in a doctor who worked together for seven years at the chicago hospital. welcome. >> good morning. >> good morning.

tell us about dr. umanos and why he felt compelled to volunteer his time in a dangerous place to help the children of another country. >> well, jerry wanted to serve people. he was a servant at heart. wherever there was a need and he felt like he could be a part of it and be a part of the solution, he wanted to do it. at our health center on the west side of chicago, he came there to help serve a need there. and he helped to train myself and other young doctors. i started working with him right out of residency and he helped to make me into the pediatrician that i am today. so wherever there's a need, he wanted to be there to train other people to do the work and

then he saw afghanistan as another opportunity to do that. >> his wife came out with such touching comments. she said, you know, we've suffered a great loss but we still love the people of afghanistan. we don't regret that jerry was over there doing the good work. it might surprise a lot of people. >> it might. when you have a servant's heart as jerry did, it's not surprising at all to any of us. just like so many people spend their lives going to inner cities or underserved areas in this country, jerry did that and then the next phase and next step for him was to go to another country and just do what people have been doing and are doing every single day. >> i know he was deeply faithful. >> yes. >> and that was a big part of

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weeks after standoff with the federal government. the issue is that bundy's cattle have been grazing on public land for 20 years while he paid no fees, no taxes, no nothing. some on the right rallied to his side after he said he was taking a stand against government overreach and says the land has been in his family for generations and he has every right to graze his cattle there. now supporters are backing away after bundy went on a rant about negroes, slavery and more. >> i want to tell you one thing i know about the negro. they abort their young children and put young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. are they better off as slaves picking cotton and having family life and doing things or are they better off in a government subsidy? >> those remarks first reported by "the new york times" set off a firestorm and sparked this reaction from top republicans. among them rand paul who originally supported bundy's

case but now says his comments were offensive and he disagrees with him. for his part bundy says his comments were not intended to be racist. he talked with chris cuomo this morning. >> reverend martin luther king wanted us to get over that type of stuff. i said it yesterday. i said it's time for a discussion about this. we need to get over this. i don't care what your race is. we need to get over this prejudice so those words are not offensive. they're not offensive to me. you can say them to me and i wouldn't be offended. >> i want to bring in ron christie, columnist for "the daily beast" and also a communication director for the republican national committee. good morning. i am glad you're here. welcome. >> good morning, carol. thank you. >> there are some who say that mr. bundy's racial comments

affect the republican party as a whole. in your mind, does it? >> no. first of all, i think your intro was spot-on. i think comments that mr. bundy made with respect to race and other things were inappropriate and wrong and 100% out of line and not part of the discourse we need to have. that being said, what i find fascinating as the chief spokesman for republican party is when a guy with a problem with cattle grazing and discussion about the size of government and overreach of the federal government makes a comment, every reporter calls the republican national committee asking for comment. but yet when similar incidents happen time and time again on the left, there is zero coverage. absolutely zero. just this week governor pat quinn, the democratic governor of illinois, president's home state, made anti-semitic jewish and black comments and there were zero discussion until last night when cnn picked it up. the rest of the national media,

a sitting democratic governor does anti-semitic comments offensive to republicans and blacks and there was no coverage. while i'm willing to call out time and time again anyone who uses inappropriate language and rnc has gotten -- time and time again we're asking from student council elections to city officials -- >> i hear you. >> zero coverage, carol. >> i want to bring in -- >> no, you don't. >> yes, i do. stop right there. i interviewed a passionate republican. she's african-american. she is incensed that some conservatives went to this mr. bundy side. i want you to hear what she had to say. let's listen. >> the way you make it better, frankly, carol, is you need to bring blacks and women at the table and not just hire them to do black outreach. i actually have had people

contact me and say, hey, crystal, within the party, can you help me with black outreach. don't get me wrong. i in a public relations consultant. clients hire me to do all kinds of media. they need to stop looking at black people as this other group. we need to be brought into the party at all levels at all job levels, at all strategic levels. stop looking at us like we're this weird animal. we've been around since the beginning of time just like you. we're no different than you. i think if they included more minorities and women at the table to strategic discussions you wouldn't have missteps because someone would say i don't think we should embrace mr. bundy. let's do our homework here. >> what she's saying, the republican party is trying to make the tent bigger. it wants to welcome in minorities. so when conservatives rally around someone like mr. bundy without checking him out, that hurts african-americans. they feel it.

she desperately wants to make the tent bigger. she's trying. now she's saying this is just a symptom of what's wrong with the republican party. they don't really invite minorities in. >> there's about eight issues there. number one, republican national committee has gone to great lengths this year to do more outreach, more hiring, put more people, women, asians, blacks, hispanics senior levels throughout the committee not just in washington but throughout the country. that's point one. that's not true. number two, the issue with cliven bundy has nothing to do with this party. zero. he's a nevada rancher who had a beef with federal government's continued overreach and suddenly this became a question when he made inappropriate questions about what every republican needs to answer for. that's absolutely ridiculous. number three, the idea that i brought up before whether it's women that when instances happen on the left with mayor bob

filner inappropriately acting toward women over and over again -- >> we covered that wall to wall. >> when a woman -- hold on, carol. when a woman is left out of a debate against charlie crist in florida and no one says, hey, if you are promoting women, why not promote her ability to get into the debate. not one question is asked. not one story generated about the democrat governor of illinois making inappropriate comments. >> the reason we're talking about this is some conservatives, more than one, embraced mr. bundy. including senator rand paul. i want you to weigh in, ron. do you think -- i'm not indicting all republicans. i'm not. there are a great many republicans who were not on mr. bundy's side on either issue, right? >> i think that's correct. good morning, carol. that's exactly right.

i agree with what he had to say. an important point to make. mr. bundy does not speak for the republican party. mr. bundy is an individual in nevada dealing with bureau of land management on grazing issues. those were his issues. what i take exception to is feeding frenzy in the media talking about mr. bundy came out with racist comments and he somehow embodies all republicans. i look back at an individual who is the senate majority leader who is from nevada who referred to president obama as a negro who was light skinned who would be offensive. the vice president of the united states said he was clean and cut and fresh. so if democrats want to try to tar the republican party with one bigot, with one racist in nevada who is a rancher, i suspect we ought to look at senate majority leader from nevada who used the negro term in demeaning terms that gave harry reid and vice president a pass on. hypocritical statement. >> the problem here is democratic party doesn't have a problem in attracting minorities

and the republican parties does. >> you guys don't cover it, carol. >> because of the media only? >> carol, let me make this clear -- >> this is what i'm saying. hold on. hold on. we have problems -- there are individuals in our party and when instances have occurred we're the first in line to call it out and say that's inappropriate and not part of the dialogue that needs to happen. frankly instance after instance occurs in the democratic party and on the left and nothing gets called out on it, of course the american people are going to believe. we have problems. in terms of incentiveseninsince it's not just one party. it gets zero play in the media. ron is right. when you look at the comments made by elected officials of the democratic party and people brush it off saying they don't have a problem. they don't need to address these issues. >> i don't think people brush it off. secondly again and ron, i'll

address this to you, the democratic party does not have a problem in attracting minorities. when these kinds of things happen and republicans are trying to attract minorities, they matter. they resonate. >> i have written two books on this subject. first called "acting white." there's a certain culture that we need to overcome in the african-american community that says if you vote republicans somehow you are acting white. if you look at what republican party stands for if you're black, maybe you're not down with the struggle. if you didn't vote for president obama, you're a sellout. there are ways to attract more to the republican party. i also harkin back to what was said in the clip that you said earlier. we need to stop looking at black people as black people. look at people as individuals who want to have lower taxes, who want to have strong national defense and make sure homeland is provided for and look at them as americans who happen to be of

color. those how the republican party will continue our strong outreach to people of color for the party. >> going back to what crystal said, she said that african-americans have to have prominent role within the party instead of black outreach officers. she wants more. she needs more because that would show that the republican party is truly welcoming to minorities. does she have a point? >> she has a point to an extent. i think i would urge her to look at what we've been doing over the last two years. both the chairman and -- >> name an african-american who has a prominent roll in the rnc? >> let me answer the question. we hired key folks within the building at senior levels. we hired key folks to run operations in states. >> who are they? >> are we perfect there? to ron's point and crystal's point -- huh? >> who are the senior people? >> i don't think i need to get

into every name on air. i would be glad to provide you a list. we have senior political directors and senior leaders in the communications office and we have rnc members. senior members of the committee itself, 168 members are actually of african-american dissent. i don't need to answer -- the problem is some people would rather just use a narrative. can we get better? do we need to continue to grow? absolutely. i'm the first one to say that. the chairman made it a priority in terms of people that we hire, people we listen to, consultants that we use, bringing more folks into this process. i think like ron said, we are making great strides. is it perfect and are we there yet? no. you have to give us credit for what we're doing. that's part of the problem. everyone wants to throw every stone and every time some middle school student treasurer of their student council says an offensive thing, they brand it as the entire republican party

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we'll be right back. he could be the most famous or infamous rancher in america right now. cliven bundy defending his racist comments to cnn. this is an interview you have to see to believe. it's down to the final 5%. the bluefin-21 about to end its original mission to scan underwater for wreckage of flight 370. with no findings, authorities are set to expand that search area. is flight 370 going to become an unsolved aviation mystery like this one? amelia earhart's disappearance way back when.

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