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existence. and the only way that the law enforcement should gain access is by proving they have a right to take a look. smartphone is a misnomer. they are personal computers that happen to include a phone function. thanks for watching. i'm michael smerconish. i'll see you back here tomorrow night. cnn special report with don cnn special report with don lemon starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight a story that's not about sports but about america in black and white. what we think about race and how some people talk when they think no one is listening. >> if you feel it don't come to my games, don't bring black people and don't come. >> you know you have a whole team that is black that plays you. >> i know. i support them and give them food and clothes and cars and houses. who gives it to them?
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does someone else give it to them? who makes the game? do i make the game or do they make the game? do the 30 owners? >> that comes from dead spin and is los angeles clippers owner donald sterling talking to his girlfriend. that attitude is a lot more common than you might think. it has ignited a firestorm across the country. i'll get reaction from one of the game's superstars, isaiah thomas. we'll have more information on the search for flight 370. and my experts are standing by to answer questions about the plane and about donald sterling like donald sterling has pals who aren't embarrassed he has a mistress but are embarrassed she takes pictures with black people. i want to start with donald sterling in what appeared to be
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his own words, words that are indefensible and hard to listen to. stephanie elam has our report. >> it bothers me a lot if you want to broadcast that you are associating with black people. >> the man on the tape is los angeles clippers owner donald sterling talking to his girlfriend, v. stiviano. >> you are supposed to be a delicate white or delicate latina girl. >> the issue? posting instagram pictures with black people. >> you can do anything but it's don't put him on instagram for the world to have to see so they have to call me. >> the reports are sending shock waves through the nba and the rest of the country. johnson will not go to another game as long as sterling is the own. >> don't smile in my face and
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shake my hand and you don't respect me or want me to be around or come to your games. >> reporter: the audio prompted michael jordan who avoids taking stances on controversial issues to say he is disgusted and outraged. also coming down on sterling, lebron james. >> there's no room for that in our game. we found a way to make this the greatest game in the world and for comments like that, it taints our game. we can't have that. >> reporter: the standal breaking as the clippers are in a playoff series with the golden gate warriors. the clippers players are largely silent but had inside out t-shirts that hid the team logo. chris paul is also the president of the nba players association. on behalf of the union he said in a statement, this is a very serious issue and we will
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address aggressively. the clippers coach cancelled practice but says that he hopes the fans continue to support the players. the owner will be sitting out the playoffs. >> have you actually heard from sterling himself? >> he has not -- well, he has in the point that you know, i was asked do i need to talk with donald. and i passed. quite honestly, i don't think right now is the time or the place for me, at least. >> reporter: the most pressing questions now, what will the nba have to say and how will clippers fans react when the team takes the court in game five of the series tuesday night? >> stephanie elam, cnn, los angeles. the sad truth that the opinions expressed were too common. a lot of people who feel that way just try not to get caught saying so out loud. what should the nba do about
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donald sterling and whethill th change anything? joining me is isaiah thomas. clearly this guy is a jerk. but what was your reaction when you heard this? >> when i first heard it, you are disgusted. you are outraged about how can someone have these feelings and these believes in the nba? and when you talk about race and racialization the key is we fight for every day, the voiceless who don't have voice in our community who experience race and racialization and racism, you know, within our community as african-americans, we need to do something about this, something needs to be done about this. and i think adam silver and the league and the nba owners will do something about this. i do think that due process. we need to wait for due process
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to happen. but at the same time we need to act swiftly. and because what's really at stake is the public trust. that the players have with the fans, that the owners have with the fans and that was as players, former players have with the community at large. >> but this goes beyond sports but i will stick with sports for a second. magic johnson responded tonight at an event in indiana. >> there's no room for racism and discrimination. that's what i would tell him. unfortunately he is a man in a powerful position. and a man who should be embracing minorities not discriminating against them. and it has no room in our society for it. or in sports. so it was a sad day for all owners of every sports team but
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especially in the nba. >> when he said a sad day for society, this goes far beyond sports. this is really a window into a space that we don't normally hear. many people say they hear it in the board rooms and country clubs and private conversations but rarely on tape from someone as prominent as donald sterling. >> this is a rare moment. but this is a teachable moment. it's a moment that we can educate from and it's a moment that we can uplift society. >> have you ever heard anything like that? >> not from owners. i must say that the owners that i've dealt with and the league i've been a part of so many years i've never heard this kind of talk about african-americans. now this is a league that we have dealt with everything. we deal with race. we deal with gender. we deal with class. we deal with sexuality.
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the nba has been a place historically where we do discuss these hard issues and we do discuss these type of things that society shies away from. i look at this case and i look at this situation, and i'm excited to have this debate that we can at least bring to the public forum but now we can discuss things that are said privately in a public situation. >> i have to say is it very interesting to me to sit here and this is really a part of history, to be a witness to this up front, speaking with all these prominent african-americans and people about this particular issue. and i would like to feel -- i kind of feel that way but i hope it's lasting that this is a moment that will make a difference. i started feeling that when i spoke with charles barkley the other night. he has also reacted again. let's take a listen. >> if somebody want to be
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racist. that's all right. that's their thing. but when you're in a position of power and you can take jobs and economic opportunity from people that's what crosses the line. we cannot have an nba owner discriminating against a league that we're a black league, ernie, we are a black league. i don't know the number but i probably tell you 80% of the players are black. >> we're definitely a black league but when you talk about race and racialization, the ster stereotypes that come with being black and are perpetuated throughout our society it not only affects the league it affects us systemically and institutionally beyond the playing field. this is a teachable moment that i hope the owners, the players, the fans, the community at large take the opportunity to continue this discussion and bring it out in public so it's not hidden in
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the board room and in private. >> maybe i'm not phrasing the question properly. but is this -- is this the jackie robinson moment now for -- do you think -- i would hope that this makes a difference not just in sports but throughout society that you can't do this any longer. you can't say things like that. or you can say whatever you want. but if you are going to be the manager of a team or an owner you can't do that. >> account be the jackie robinson moment if we collectively as a community come together and really embrace and have the conversation about race, racialization in this country. >> thank you. don't go anywhere. i want you to help me throughout this show. later on in the show we're going to get viewer reaction about the hunt for flight 370. sterling's long history of facing racism claims and what
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the former owner of the los angeles sparks. and steve stout, and the author of the tanning of america how hip hop created a culture that rewrote the rules of the economy. isaiah thomas is back with us. i want to begin with gary rhoads. i want to start with you. you have your own experience with donald sterling. you filed suit against him for housing discrimination. tell me what he was accused of. >> well, in the winter of 2002, tenants and employees from a couple of his buildings were coming to us at the housing rights center with this story that was was going to be one of the largest and most unusual housing discrimination cases we had seen. beginning with the employees, they told us that when sterling
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had bought their building that they worked at he called a meeting and said several things. he said that he did not like black and latino tenants and only wanted to rent to koreans. they would pay the rent and live in whatever conditions that sterling gave them. and sure enough, the tenants reported that after that meeting they started seeing signs of a massive discrimination scheme. the african-american and latino tenants were subjected to sham inspections including one from shelling sterling herself where she showed up at one of our tenant's doors claiming to be a health inspector. >> his wife? >> his wife came to the door and said she was a health inspector
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and the tenant was think i know who you are, i'm shelling sterling. he took out a camera and got her to say on tape she was a health inspector. >> the tenants -- it is reported that the tenant said he doesn't like to rent to hispanics because they hang out and they don't work and he doesn't like to rent to blacks because blacks smell and they attract vermin. >> that's -- those are statements we collected in our case. we didn't get those statements until a little later after we filed the case from other buildings. this was the first set of tenants that came to us. >> what happened with your case? >> ultimately, the tenants got that relate great result for themselves and the general public. a federal judge said it was monetarily one of the largest of its kind and that it has
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significant and wide-ranging benefits for all the other 5,000 households in sterling's properties. >> when you heard the comments this weekend you were not surprised, i'm sure? >> i was not surprised. i had heard all this before. i think -- i think that this -- these old cases are germane to what is happening with the nba case but there is a vice versa here. i think this reflects back on we should be giving at least as much scrutiny to his role in housing in l.a. he owns and manages thousands and thousands of people's homes. and that is a -- you know, for someone who is make statements like he is and who has been sued and should learn the lessons time and time again, his role in housing in l.a. should be re-examined.
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>> gary rhoads, i appreciate you joining us. i want to bring in the rest of the experts. tonight joining me is dave, again. and dave, to you first, what do your make of what he said? he has made a lot of money off minorities, hispanics, blacks, koreans, tenants. but he doesn't treat them in a way that is fair. he doesn't seem to understand that. >> yeah, it's because he is a slum lord. you just said the definition of what a slum lord is. and if you apply that to the nba you are talking to someone who put $13 million on the table. $3 million down and now he has a club worth 800 million to a billion dollars. and i think, don, you spoke about this being a turning point moment. it's only one if we realize that
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the efficacy of what are called respectability politics this idea that if afternoon americans don't wear baggy pants and wear good clothes the racism will go away. it's a lie. institutionalized racism is alive and well in the united states. >> i'm not sure if that has anything to do with donald sterling. >> he's a jerk who has been coddled by nba owners for three decades. if donald sterling was the one who was caught on tape. i'm sure what isaiah said is true. that he has not heard this before. and david stern the former commissioner and current owners have to answer for that. >> paula you wrote that sterling's thought is not unique. what is unusual is that the sentiments were made public.
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i had a comment today. please discuss issue of white owned teams and black players and the implications and history of such a system in sports generally. i would just like for coverage that does not treat this as a surprising piece of news. are you not surprised by this? >> many of us wouldn't be surprised and for the moment i'm going to limit it to donald sterling. i think he has a legacy and a history of poor treatment and mistreatment, discrimination against people of color. in -- insofar as the league is concerned we are scrutinized when we step up to buy a team and scrutinized and interviewed
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and our financial records are gone over but it's once you're in the club you're in the club. my club was a tiny part of the nba club. the wnba is a small portion of it. but in this case, should i be surprised or any of us be surprised? i think what i'm most surprised by is that somehow his true sentiments were expressed in a way he was very boldly speaking about them. and he thought he was boldly speaking about them to one person. >> it is a most honest moment. steve, i want you to listen to more of the tape. >> nothing more to say. >> i took a picture where someone i admired. >> good. >> he happens to be black and i'm sorry. >> i know him well and he should be admired and i'm just saying
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it's too bad you can't admire him privately and during your entire [ bleep ] life, you can do anything but don't put him on instagram so the world has to see so they have to call me and don't bring him to my games, okay? >> how does a man who is involved in the nba where black people have been a part of the league's success speak this way or even feel this way. >> first you can see he was threatened by the fact that his woman was taking a picture with another guy. there's a lot of that within his statement on top of the fact that there is clear racism. you know, i want to talk about earlier sentiments where you want to bring it back to you know, david stern and the league and they should have known this prior. i'm still appalled by the fact
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this the naacp was going to give him a lifetime achievement award knowing all this. i can't say that maybe david stern knew and acknowledge the fact that naacp absolutely knew of the history and felt okay to give him a lifetime achievement award. >> everybody has access to google. >> everybody, i mean, look, man, obviously the naacp, he was donating money and giving them tickets so they kind of overlooked the situation. but the fact of the matter is now this is a moment in time where we can galvanize the efforts of the players and the african-american community. this is a big problem that can set us back if we sit around and let this go away. so i'm excited to see what happens next. to see how we all come together and really get this guy to force him out of the league. >> i think it has to be beyond
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donald sterling. it has to be bigger than that. figure out where do we go and the league go and the nation go beyond donald sterling. michael let's talk about the legal aspects of the story. how hard or easy will it be to prove the authenticity of the tape? >> it will be somewhat difficult. the nba doesn't have the original recording. without that original recording it can be difficult to authenticate. the nba wants to be extra careful because if it turns out for instance that the recording was tampered or edited that would be an issue for the nba that donald sterling could later on use if this ends up in court. i think the nba wants to be cautious and a lot of people have said why hand adam silver taken action swiftly? he's a lawyer. he knows the right thing to do is to get all the ducks in a row and make sure everything is
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right before he makes a decision on what the right disciplinary action will be. >> the clippers are losing tens of millions of dollars with a dozen advertisers pulling their support. stick around with me everyone. later in the show we go to perth where the search for flight 370 continues. were donald sterling's views an open secret? and why wasn't anything done about it sooner? my name is jenny, and i quit smoking with chantix. before chantix, i tried to quit probably about five times.
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states from malaysia. >> when ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance you just let them talk. that's what happened here. >> we're back talking about the donald sterling scandal and what the league should do about him mark jacobson of the golden gate warriors, he had this to say tonight. >> i believe if it was me, i wouldn't come to the game. i believe the fans the loudest statements that they can make as far as fans is to not show up to the game. >> mark jackson, do you feel there should be a boycott of the nba playoffs? >> i don't feel that way. and i think the fans are in a very difficult position. and the way i don't feel that way again is because the players have a public trust with the fans. the fans don't come to see the owner. they don't have that public trust necessarily with the
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owner. that public trust is built within the players. in this league, is it built on the back of the players. that's who the product is. that's who excites the fans. that's who excites the community. that's who's on television. now the owner's believes. the owner's beliefs are a different thing than the fans beliefs. but the sponsors are exercising their voice. and that's where the boycott should come from, from the sponsors. >> michaels is this all about the money. look at the sponsors who have pulled out or suspended. red bull. you have car max, sprint, state farm. this is tens of millions of dollars here. >> yeah, don, it's a very important point. should the nba think about the legal action of trying to expel him from the nba.
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as mark noted a number of sponsors have taken themselves out of a relationship with the clippers. if the nba wants to force donald sterling out of the nba they would argue there is a financial consequence to the nba. it has to be more than just bad pr and an owner who is racist. it has to be a financial impact to the nba for the nba to justify that. and the fact that will are sponsorships that are drying up that could help the nba take a sanction against donald sterling. >> sponsors wasted no time and big ones. >> i have to give it up to state farm. this morning, starting at 7:00 this morning they jumped on top of it and they wanted to see until it was an investigation, they had to suspend their relationship. and of course, for sponsors to come out on the limb and support civil rights and the rights of people, you know, unfortunately that is a big step.
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but state farm stepped up and did it. i'm proud of that. i think that's the only way to start the domino effect. if you start drying up the sponsorship and the fans stop showing up to the game. i understand where mark jackson is coming from, if you don't have that, you don't have some level of leverage and apply it against this guy, what are they going to do? fine him $5 million? they ain't going to manage. you have to have the other owners saying we have a team not making money and he has to leave. >> and steve, you have a relationship with state farm. you represent them, correct? >> i'm proud to represent them and be a part of pushing that movement forward this morning. >> you know adam silver the new nba commissioner. what type of man is he and what do you think he'll likely do? >> well, adam is the new nba
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commissioner. but adam has been the heir apparent for years under david stern. so all of the owners are very familiar with adam. adam is measured. he is an attorney. and i think what adam is going to do is take into account exactly what the blowback on the league is going to be. right now, there are, in fact 30 members who comprise the board of governors. these are the owners of the team that comprise the league. adam can take action but the other owners are probably, i hope, having as many private talks with donald sterling as they can to convince him that what should happen is whether adam has to take a hard line or if donald sterling realizes that his actions are costing not only the clippers significant money but it's eroding the value of the team. it's also eroding the value of the nba. so i'm hoping they're talking to
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him about selling the team. he can -- if as i heard earlier the team was worth 800 million to $1 billion if he spent under $20 million for the team he is still going to walk away with a handsome profit. >> i know adam silver also and he will act decisively. and he will be hard in this situation. but we, as african-americans, again, we should want and expect due process. but speaking for the nba owners and adam silver and the nba that i've been a part of, this situation will be dealt with and it will be dealt with harshly if he's found, you know -- >> thank you. >> i see you want to get. in we have a lot more show left. next, though, your views on this clipper controversy and what the nba should do now. l your favoris all day, every day. olive garden's signature favorites,
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i am back with my guests who represent all aspects of professional basketball. and they are answering your questions right now. dave, i want to play another piece and we can talk about it, of this tape. >> it's the world. you go to israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs. >> do you have to treat them like that too? >> the white jews. the white jews and black jews. you understand? >> are the black jews less than the white jews? >> 100%. >> and is that right. >> first of all i don't know
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what he is talking about. but, dave, why do you think this tape would come out at this time during the playoffs? >> i say he is talking about the reality that there is a lot of racism in israel. why is it coming out right now? now is when the tape is released. the fact it is coming out right now is also what makes it political tnt for the nba. this is that time of year you have the soft fans begin to pay attention to what is called the second season, the nba playoffs. and where the owners are going to make their argument that donald steriling is detrimental to the game. the owners want to wrest control of the franchise from him. >> steve here's a question from twitter. are people scapegoating donald sterling to make their own
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kplisity in keeping racism alive and well today? >> i believe there has been a generation there that do see the world through similar values. or else they wouldn't have voted for an african-american president. i think he is an isolated incidents and there is more of that. but there are isolated incidents of people with racism in their heart. he was caught on tape. >> what power does the nba have in deciding to remove him as an owner or what have you? we saw what the nba can do. they can fine him. according to the bylaws that i see up to $2.5 million. and they can vote -- vote 3/4 of the nba board of governors which is composed of all 30 owners to get rid of him. what options do they have here? >> yeah, so, is it true he can
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be fined a certain amount of money whether it's 1 or 2.5 million there is some debate about. he is worth $1.9 billion. i don't think a fine would send the message that the nba wants to send. a suspension is the most likely outcome. maybe a year or two years. i say that because if the league were to try to force him out he would argue for an antitrust violation. the nba would have joined hands to force him to sell below market value. he would argue that is an antitrust -- >> let me ask you this -- >> and even defamation. a suspension would avoid some of. that. >> he isly contingency. but if you read the bylaws. can he go to court?
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when silver issues his punishment the decision is final. the constitution provides in paragraph -- he has no other recourse. he can't turn around and resue him. >> that would be with the suspension to. require him to forfeit his team takes it to a different level where he would have to give up an asset. he would argue that would be an extra step. he's not going to be able to stop that. requiring him to forfeit his team he will be able to challenge that. >> isaiah you have the last word here. let's begin where we started. many people on this panel feel you heard steve with the same sentiments. we have to bind together and somehow make a difference and rise to the occasion. final thoughts? >> everyone's anxious to have this discussion.
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you see how excited everyone is and the participation around this discussion of race and racialization. let's move it from the sports field and move it into society and let's talk about these things and have this debate publicly and privately to make our country better. >> right. and not just on television or when you see it on the news you have to do it in your private life as well. >> thank you to all my guests as well. i appreciate you. we're going to stay on this story and bring you the news from the nba news conference tomorrow on this scandal. next, missing malaysia flight 370. are we starting from scratch? people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we're using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that's good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that's good for everyone. it makes me feel very good about the future of our company. ♪
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thomas. so many weeks officials were so positive about finding this plane. you were too. what happened? >> well, you're absolutely right, don. and i guess we're all hoping we would find it straight away to bring closure to the loved ones and relatives left behind. sadly this is not the case. and it took them a long time to find air france 447. and we know of course sound does strange things at those sorts of depths. while we have looked at just one ping area there are three other pings and our expectations need to be tempered by the fact this is going to be a long search. but it could be a couple of days or weeks or a couple of months. it's just very hard to tell. >> geoffry i want to bring in
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commander marks, u.s. seventh fleet officer. what will the role of the u.s. navy be moving forward? >> that's a great question. we're in a transition period right now. there are a lot of really intelligent people looking at the long term approach for what is the best way to search this expanded search area. a few things we have to look at. first is as the prime minister said, you know, we believe the value of these flights is diminishing. most of any debris that would have been on the surface most likely is sunk. and you have this expanded underwater search area. what was also to be searched with one side-scan sonar, the bluefin in a couple of weeks you
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expand that to this 400 by 50 mile or so box and that is much greater or much more than one side-scan sonar can search. so the factors you to the look at what assets can you bring in and where do you place them? there are a lot of commercial solutions out there. there are a number of side-scan sonar. you have to look at the depth of the area whether you want to tow them or if they are remotely operated. a lot of variables in place. but this week is when those discussions are going on. for the way forward, like was mentioned before, it will be a long-term effort. it's not like this is going to take just a few weeks. this is a much -- a more expanded area. so you have to look at the entire spectrum of solutions from government to commercial,
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all the way through these various options of side-scan sonar capability. >> thank you very much. we appreciate your time. i want to bring in jeff wise, the author of extreme fear. david soucie, saw her to of why planes crash. les tauben. >> the first phase is complete. were they looking in the wrong place or just not find it? >> it's a baffling turn of events. the australians have been promising that these pings came from mh-370 and when we went down and look we would find mh-370 or at least the black box to. search quite a large area. the towed pinger locator can only find something in a mile.
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so to look in six miles is a generous search area until you think it can be detected at any distance it should have been there if it came from mh-370. so the fact that the plane wasn't there and the black box wasn't there, indicates that this ping which they described as the best ping must have come from something else. it indicates that these pings which are touted as being from the black boxes was not. and that really puts us at a dead end. and so any behavior that you engage in after, this you really have to ask why is this being done? it's extraordinary to search the ocean bed when you have no strong indication that the plane is in the vicinity. >> les, do you think that the bluefin was a favorable? >> no. i think it was a positive result. it's saying to us it's not here. i don't know the technology. it's not my area of expertise
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but it was the best asset they had at the time. they contracted with a company. the navy fulfilled their contract as did this particular company. i think they did their job. it's not an asset that was probably the best. but it was what available at the time with the best information that we had. >> david, they are bringing in private contractors to help with the search. are you concerned it could confuse matters? >> certainly it is. the concern i have is each of these contractors has different capabilities. you have a towed side-scan sonar and so that's one capability and that does a large area quickly. but the quality is not good. then you have the one designed to get down lower and take a look at areas where there are more crevices and more areas to look at. there are a lot of capabilities. i'm concerned it's not being --
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properly. there are other pings there and i think there are better pings there. what they said this is the best opportunity they had to find it based on the fact they had the bluefin. the best ping was two hours long and that has nod been researched yet. they didn't have the equipment to go that low. i'm not giving up on the pinged locator. >> and for our viewers, that is a technical term by david soucie for aviation experts. coming up, my experts will answer more of your questions.
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crew and passengers who are alive. >> by finding the aircraft is to find out what happened, why it happened, perhaps. and to prevent it from happening again. can you put a value on that? >> les? >> i can't. >> i think that's obvious. les another tweet, will a scaled back search with less assets decrease the possibility of the plane being found? >> that would be my gut feeling, absolutely. >> but you have issues with the air search. >> i thought it was a good strategic decision. the purpose was to find the location of the wreckage by virtue of where it floated to but there are so many currents we are not successful with that. we were doing it for the families so we had something concrete. but it's pointless to spend that
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kind of money in the air for that strategic decision. >> will raw inmarsat data be included in the malaysian report coming out this week? >> i'm dying to find out. i'm on tender hooks. i hope that report does get released. that would be like christmas and thanksgiving if it is in it. >> why hasn't the flight been replicated through the elevation and radar and acars and pings? we have heard this question a couple times. >> look, in many ways, it has. they have looked at malaysian 777s traveling on various routes after the disappearance and they have taken inmarsat data from them and in many ways they have in fact replicated it for the purpose of the calculations that have been done. >> it has been done just not specifically in a way that many
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people would think. >> thank you everyone. i appreciate you joining us tonight. that's it for us. i'm don lemon. i'm don lemon. "ac360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, everyone. breaking news on a very dangerous night after an especially deadly weekend. new tornado watches and warnings going up. new twisters touching down including this one, a storm as you can see of devastating proportions. a team of forecasters and correspondents keeping you safe. also tonight the growing outrage after tape surface apparently of this man, l.a. clippers owner donald sterling making racist remarks. you'll hear the words and firestorm that they touched off and his ugly history as well. reactions from magic johnson, michael jordan and spike lee joins us to talk about it and look what the nba can do to sterling if these latest accusations prove true. he abandoned ship so fast he left his pants behind. that's the captain of the south
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