visor? she can do this. >> we'll see how the visor works for that. i want to find that guy, whoever you are, giving the side ways look at jeanne. oh, that was priceless, thank you for joining us, we'll see you tomorrow night. "ac360" starts now. good evening, 8:00 p.m. here in new york, nearly 60 miles an hour winds in southern california, more than a foot and a half of rain on the gulf coast, and breaking news from shore to shore tonight. out west the wind is fanning a wildfire that began in the san bernardino national forest, now taking aim. forcing many to flee, back east, up and down the coast, the earth gave way. opening up, swallowing up, a line of parked cars some of them on railroad tracks below. take a look at the rescue here in mobile, alabama.

emergency worker reaching the man, helping him there get a life preserver. watch as both of them let go of the tree. and look at how fast the waters carry them down stream, thankfully back to safe ground. the real mess out there, we'll take you to the fire line shortly. but first, in flooded out pensacola, this is the worst flooding that they have had in decades. what have you seen? >> reporter: well, anderson, we are on a street called piedmont road, and here the pieces of debris came up on the people's property. hours and hours of rainfall that fell on these neighborhoods. several people had about two and a half feet of water in their homes in the neighborhood. we made our way through various parts of the pensacola area throughout the day. the good news is, much of the

flood waters already receded to a point where the neighbors got inside their homes and assessed the damage. we saw some neighborhoods that took as much as five feet of water in their homes. >> all right, we'll come back to you later with donald sterling, the disgraced and banished owner of the clippers. and a spokesperson for oprah winfrey said she is talking to david geffen and others for a possible joint bid. meanwhile, sterling's wife, rochelle, was at the game watching the clippers beat golden state. after the game, he said he didn't expect donald to transfer ownership to her. there is more on how the players felt. a top union official telling yahoo! sports they want a totally clean slate and not a

sterling family member running things. six-time nba champion former lakers star and clippers coach and writer of the documentary. kareem abdul-jabbar. you have been critical of the owner, and also been critical how the comments came into the public sphere. how they were secretly recorded by a former girlfriend. and also the role played by the media and kind of the finger wagging. you said the whole country got carpal tunnel from finger wagging, not to mention morally superior head shaking. explain what bothers you about the way the whole thing played out. >> there were indications at least a decade ago, that mr. sterling had some really disturbing views. there was evidence that was given in depositions for some of the trials that he had to go through where he was being sued

for refusing to rent some of his properties to minority people or people with large families. and we should have had an indication much earlier time. he is not the type of person who should represent the nba. >> in terms of the woman's role who made this trecording or apparently made the recording, v. stiviano. you describe her as trying to dig to get him to expose his comments. >> i listened to the whole tape -- and she is kind of going at it several times. >> she might be doing that. but it comes out of him so easily. it is not like she has to pull them out of him. these feelings were right at the surface and he shared them freely. and it is really disturbing when you realize that he was very comfortable saying these things.

>> it is also interesting that in our society this is a form of racist speech, which is -- everybody can kind of point to and see and identify. but more institutional forms of racism. more unfair lending to minority groups by banks and other things, those are harder to see and sort of more denial. >> these things have to be eliminated. our nation is about equal opportunity and fairness. it should be. and what -- mr. sterling was all about was discrimination. it is a very ugly face to turn to the world. and i'm glad he is no longer in a position to be seen at the face of the nba. >> do you think somebody like him can learn to think differently? >> you know, i don't know. he has not asked for any forgiveness or apologized. he seems to be very content with the way he feels about things. it is sad. but it seems to be true.

so i'll let him deal with that as he sees fit. >> kareem abdul-jabbar, it is great to have you on the program. thank you. >> nice talking to you anderson. take care. >> let's dig deeper now with former chicago bull jay williams, and steve stout who is the leading voice in the advertising pullout, and author of the tanning america how hip-hop created the culture that re-wrote the rules of the economy. steve, let me start with you, where does this need to go from here? >> well, i think the healing process begins. everybody is really excited, the quick decision that adam silver made. he showed true leadership here. i think the african-american community and the community as a whole felt that justice was served. and now it is time to get him out. there can't be shenanigans, passing the team through his wife and still being involved through that marriage.

it has to be what the players want, a clean slate. >> and as you point out you represent state farm and the sponsorship on their part. as far as you are concerned no member of the sterling family should continue to have a role in the team. >> now that you look at it, the waive was involved in previous race cases he had, specifically the civil suit. >> she is quoted in various depositions. >> yeah, she was quoted. apparently she was on tape disguising herself as a health inspector to you know, get people thrown out of the apartment. so she is part of the enterprise that the family is a part of. it should not be a fire sale. the value of the team is the value. he should come away with a lot of money, he did whatever he did. you can't begrudge him that. however, new ownership. not any siblings or any family

members or wives. >> you talked a bit about the slippery slope if people can get in trouble for comments they make. are you confident that at least three quarters of the owners will force the sale? >> am i confident? i don't know. through the by-laws of the constitution of the nba there is no standardized format on how they go about voting for this. yes, they do need 22 out of 30 votes. but at the same time there could be anonymity. and mark cuban said that. you know, once you start to infringe on personal space and calls throughout the comfort of his own home then that starts to embark upon some territory that is really undiscovered. and now for all of these owners, all of the owners will somewhat question, okay, if i were to say something or partake in a particular situation that may have happened in the confines of my own home. can i be judged for that and lose my franchise?

so that is going to have to be something the committee talks about. something that nobody else talks about, i was at home watching the game and granted i love the fact the fans came out and supported the players. and there was a packed house. but what we're doing is saying pretty much to donald sterling, it's okay, you made the comments and we're moving on. but we're still creating the revenue for him to sell it. and the more he drags on the franchise, the more the salary will be increased. >> steve, do you think they will vote to get him out? >> yeah, i think they will vote to get him out. they cannot have an owner in the league that the players don't want to work with, stand for. he is a black eye to the league. you know, if a player did something that disparaging, they would throw him out.

they would treat him the same way. what i found out with the corporations, there are no clauses with the teams that ever speak about what happens if the owner does anything. we see the owner of the indianapolis colts, what he just went through, right? with the driving and speeding and drunk driving and history of drugs. and now we see the racist remarkinremar remarks he said. there is nothing in the contract on what happens if the owner -- >> nothing in the contract -- >> nobody talks about the owners. i'm certainly going to urge partners and people i play with to really broaden the language to include owners and executives of senior management, as well. because apparently they're getting loose, as well. people point at the players all the time and now we're seeing examples of owners and senior managers making very bad mistakes and really pushing the moral issues far. causing issues. >> jay, were you surprised. i know you were watching the

game last night. were you surprised that shelly sterling showed up? i mean, doc rivers said it was okay for her to show up. >> no, i was not surprised. she is going to play both sides. i think there is a broad language due to the constitution and the by-laws. adam silver made a very swift move and i thought it was the right move. like i said yesterday on the show this is the first process of steps in a series of steps that will need to go in order for the nba to remove donald sterling as owner. >> good to have you both on, thank you so much. a quick reminder, make sure you set your dvr so you can watch "ac360" whenever you want. up next, the women in donald's life, the ambitions and complicated role in all of this. new details coming to light. she is suing her, anyway, it is

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player's union official roger clemens -- roger mason jr., talking about whether the players have the power to stop a transfer to somebody like donald sterling's wife or son-in-law. meanwhile, we have newly discovered video of l.a. clipper donald sterling in earlier times. clipper girls, he means the l.a. clipper cheerleaders. tonight, though, all the attention is on the women in sterling's life, neither of who is doing much cheering. it is complicated. >> reporter: no doubt, v. stiviano had dreams for herself one day. >> one day i will be president of the united states. >> reporter: yes, that is stiviano telling the paparazzi about her plans to be president.

for now, she will remain the other woman. she claims to be his archivist, but it is not clear what that means. whether on sterling's arm at a clipper's game or on her own, she is tabloid fodder. >> are you surprised about the attention you have been getting? >> i'm trying to walk my dog. >> reporter: on this instagram account, she writes, i do it all. describing herself as an artist. lover, writer, chef, poet, stylist and philanthropist. her photos include this one posing as an angel, another in a bathing suit. plus photos of cars with personalized license plates, alleged gifts from donald sterling. the plates read, i heart you v., and v. hearts you. which brings us to another woman in donald's life, his wife,

rochelle, she has been married to him more than 50 years, and given that she is aware of stiviano, she filed a lawsuit to protect and recover community property. sterling alleges that stiviano's conduct was designed to target, befriend, seduce, and then borrow from wealthy older men. the lawsuit claims the cars that were given to stiviano were community assets, given without the knowledge or consent of his wife. those include $240,000 in living expenses, plus, two bentleys and a range rover worth more than $500,000. also, stiviano was allegedly given another $1.8 million to

buy a duplex in los angeles. >> reporter: as far as her alleged comments, she called them despicable. telling tmz, our family is devastated by the racist comments made by my estranged husband, caught outside a rest, she defended him. >> not true. >> not true? >> no, of course not. >> reporter: whatever the real story is and whatever their relationship, one thing we know for sure. neither of these women will be cheering on the clippers alongside donald sterling anymore. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> charming bunch, safe to say v. stiviano will not be running the clippers, she will be running for president. and might rochelle get half in the settlement if she decides to

divorce him or the sterlings ride off into the sunset counting their hundreds of millions of dollars along the way. the scenarios are endless, and basketball analyst for turner sports, jeff toobin. what happens if sterling's wife files for divorce before any sale is made? half the assets are hers. would that mean she could own half the team? >> silver said that she is not barred from the facility. but i have zero doubt that the nba is going to prevent anyone from the sterling family from controlling this franchise. remember, the nba, once they get the 3/4 votes they are in charge of this franchise. and they decide who gets to buy and who doesn't. there is a formal constitution where they get to approve or

disapprove of new purchasers of franchises. there is no way. adam silver is one of the most popular men in america today. if he were though authorize turning this franchise over to anyone in the sterling family, all that would be gone. the players would revolt, there is not a chance they will allow any of the sterlings to get this franchise. >> and they reported the players said they wouldn't accept any situation where any member of the sterling family is left in charge of the team. you're a former player yourself, what do you make of that? >> well, listen, and i'm not an attorney. i'm glad that jeffrey is here. i have stayed in the holiday inn before, and i can tell you that every possible, plausible scenario had already been exhausted before adam silver took to the podium in the press conference. and to that point it was about the sterling family.

and let's take it a step further and say that everything alleged is true in terms of him being a racist and a bigot. how could you possibly separate that his wife and his children would not have already had some indication of his philosophy of life. of his value system. and i'm not saying that they have condoned it, but they have not necessarily done anything to separate themselves from that. so i don't think there is any scenario where you're going to see the sterling family, the children, the heirs or anybody, have any capacity when it comes to the l.a. clippers, once the decision is then made to force the sale. so that scenario does not work. and to jeffrey's point, i would use to aal gee -- the analogy country club, they determine the

rules that would be put in place to determine who can be a member and who cannot. and in essence they decided that donald sterling can no longer be a member of the club. so i think in some near future you're going to see the ownership absolved and we'll see who ultimately will own that team. >> jeff, the article and the constitution getting him to sell it is more on the matter of the financial matters. none of them seem to apply directly to this situation. does that matter? >> i don't think so, i just want to call people's attention to sort of a throw-away line in adam silver's news conference that most people probably didn't pay attention to. he said a lawyer from one of the most prominent law firms in new york had run the investigation. this thing has been lawyered up from the very start. the nba is not going to leave any loose ends in its resolution of this matter.

and remember, the constitution also says, the nba constitution says that members -- that owners can't sue. they -- that they simply cannot sue to undo decisions of the commissioner. now, there have been rare occasions when courts overturn those sorts of provisions but not in this circumstance. i mean, they are going to have this thing tied up in a bow. and it is really not going to be before the court. >> we got to leave it there. jeff toobin, grag anthoneg anth coming up in pensacola, people say they have never seen the flooding that is going on before. and live wildfire burning out of control, as well. it hasr half of what i thought i'd pay. and i don't need to be online for it to work. it runs office, so i can do schedules and budgets and even menu changes. but it's fun, too -- with touch, and tons of great apps for stuff like music,

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more breaking news on the historic flooding in the gulf coast, a part of the country that has seen more of its share of torrential rain. this is what this looked like with a man caught in the flooding. rescue crews are using boats, personal water craft normally used to patrol body check beac national guard is involved. >> around 20 inches of rain fell over portions of southern alabama and the florida panhandle in just 24 hours. it is the latest bout of severe weather from a violent storm system that began sunday. the deluge was so heavy, sometimes at an astonishing rate

of five inches per hour. it scrambled the residents, sent them running for higher ground. in mobile, alabama, a dramatic moment as the floods trapped this man barely able to cling to a tree. a rescue worker braved the currents and trees and brought the man safely back to shore. the town of orange beach is now under water where the local marina is. and pensacola, florida saw record-setting rainfall. the torrential rains washed out part of the scenic highway sending cars falling into a ravine. entire neighborhoods in the city were hit, and roads turned into raging rivers. >> water was coming in through our garage and then through the back doors and flowing in out this door. so we just had water in the house. the kids were getting a chair to perhaps get in the attic. we don't know what was going to happen. >> the residents resorted to

alternative forms of transportation to navigate the flooded streets. 26 countyies in that state are under a state of emergency and heavy rains continued to pour. officials are urging people to heed their warnings. >> watch local weather, be careful of tornadoes. don't drive into downed water. be careful of downed power line s and be cautious. >> we are joined just south of the pensacola airport. so it stopped rains where you were in pensacola, other parts of the state are still getting hammered, right? >> well, this storm system is moving towards the east slowly. so really the rest of this state and the rest of the southeast region as you move towards the atlantic ocean on high alert tonight as the rains and heavy rains continue to fall throughout the rest of the day and probably into tomorrow, as well. >> all right, ed, stay dry. meanwhile, the fight is again strong winds and high temperatures fuelling the fire in southern california. so far the homes arou s rancho

cucamonga, and hundreds of acres burning, what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, even more, i'll show you what we're seeing, pushing, you can see just burning out of control back to the national forest. some flames just burning out there uncontrolled. one of the reasons for that it was so horribly windy, winds up to 80 miles an hour. they couldn't get the helicopters up in the air to drop water. nor could they get the winged aircraft to drop that purple rain on the blaze. they're going to have to go in there at some point and try to put it out. if you come over here you can show what played a key role. these green trucks, brush trucks can carry 1500 gallons of water without having to use a hydrant. they're going to have to get out

there and put this thing out. you don't have the ability to fight this fire from the air because the winds are so absolutely strong, anderson. they built their line of defense right here in this neighborhood of rancho cucamonga. no homes burned but scary moments as you said, 1600 people evacuated. and a thousand acres are burning right now, anderson. >> and it goes on, thank you very much. 40 veterans dying while waiting for care at one v.a. hospital, just one. that according to a doctor who worked at the hospital. our exclusive investigation got the attention of president obama, and drew griffin, there at the hospital, the public officials you would think they would talk to us about this. a rough first encounter. >> off the property, both of you! >> the official finally agreed to talk. what she told drew ahead, we're keeping him honest. to combine solar and natural gas at the same location.

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a "ac360" exclusive investigation is getting attention from the white house. the report highlighted deaths at the hospital, according to one person who worked there. here is how president obama reacted to the report. >> the moment we heard about the allegations around these 40 individuals who had died in phoenix, i immediately ordered the secretary of veterans affair to investigate. we also have an ig investigation taking place. and so we take the allegations very seriously. >> well, three members of arizona's congressional delegation want the v.a. director in phoenix fired. and we learned that the phoenix office of inspector general is expanding the investigation to include vets who may have died while waiting to get a follow-up appointment. through all of this, the director has refused to answer cnn's questions. which is why keeping them honest

drew griffin tracked down the head of the v.a. through the entire state and got a not so welcoming response. >> reporter: after being stone-walled for two weeks trying to get answers from the phoenix veteran administration hospital it finally came down to this. >> director helman can you talk to us? >> reporter: surrounded by federal police that is the v.a.'s director of this phoenix medical facility. sharon helman. who on monday literally sped from our cameras. >> please talk to us, director, director helman. >> reporter: a short time later, a change of heart. the director and her chief of staff decided it was time to answer the allegations that have three arizona congressmen now calling for her resignation. as we first reported, multiple sources tell cnn as many as 40 veter veterans died while they were waiting for medical care at this v.a. facility. our sources tell us many were placed on a secret list designed

by v.a. managers to hide the fact that veterans were waiting months to see a doctor. >> those were the allegations that we've asked the office of inspector general to review. >> but those are the allegations i assume that you two would know direct knowledge of. >> again, those allegations are ones that the office of inspector general are reviewing right now. when we heard about this during the house veteran affairs committee it is the first time we've heard about those allegations and that is why we've asked the office of inspector general to come in and do a thorough and impartial review. >> that is an odd statement considering as early as last fall the v.a.'s office of inspector general had already been pursuing the allegations of a secret waiting list and veterans dying while waiting to see the doctor. helman's explanation, yes, she said, investigators questioned her back in december but she does not know what the questioning was about. >> they don't tell us what the allegations are surrounding

their investigation. i can just confirm that yes, they were here. >> reporter: multiple sources inside this hospital tell cnn under direction of management a secret electronic waiting list was created and paper evidence of when the patients first went to the v.a. seeking care was shredded. and those sources say sharon helman and her medical chief of staff knew about it. because it was their plan. >> so i'm asking you, maybe you directly, sir, did this or did this not happen? >> i think what we have here, drew, is i think there is some confusion among our staff. when we came on as a leadership team in 2012, the practice at that time was that they would schedule new veterans that were coming in for care way out into the future. sometimes a year, sometimes 14 months. so what we do is took the patients scheduled way out into the future and we put them on this national tool and this ewl, the electronic waiting list so that when we had an appointment

that came open, so if a veteran called next week and cancelled their appointment we could pull a veteran off this list and get them into the slot. so it actually improved the probability of these veterans getting an appointment sooner. i think there are some folks who did not understand that and i think that is where these allegations are coming from. >> so when i'm talking to these sources inside this hospital who literally in tears are telling us that patients have died waiting on these lists, those people are confused? >> drew, what we're saying is that we implemented the electronic wait list. and any concerns that staff have, i share in those same concerns. >> have you found cases where veterans are on the waiting list and have died? >> yes. and that is in the course of health care delivery, we have patients who unfortunately pass away. we have found veterans on the list who have died. but we have not been able to connect their death to the delay in getting their care. >> it just seems cut and dried

to me. whatever happened, happened. and the people who know what happened are right before me. >> i think that is a question for the office of inspector general. >> we have never instructed our staff to create a secret list. to maintain a secret list. to shred a secret list. that has never come from our office as far as instruction to our staff. >> it has not come from me. >> are you kidding? >> he became public, a physician recently retired after 24 years with the phoenix v.a., who along with several sources inside the v.a. says there is no confusion. the secret list existed and veterans died. >> so you're not backing down at all? >> no, sir. >> so what they're telling us? false? >> i would say so yes. >> director helman, even the president of the united states has spoken out about this issue. three congressmen are calling for your head, they want you out

of here. are you leaving? >> i'm telling you right now the office of inspector general is here reviewing all the allegations and as a leader of this organization i'm going to continue to provide the best health care that these veterans deserve and earned. >> cnn has learned the investigation may now be expanding, no longer just on veterans who died waiting for care but now veterans who died waiting for return care. follow-up appointments that they could not get. >> you know, drew, what is so annoying about her responses is just clearly like it has all been lawyered and she just has her pat talking point of we've given this over to the inspector general. as you pointed out the inspector general questioned her long ago, she claims she has no idea what she was being questioned believability she talks about it is her job to get the best health care to the veterans, the veterans were on a waiting list which even the chief of staff says still goes on.

it is not acceptable. >> it is unacceptable. i want to point this out to you, right now they say they improved the waiting list. right now vets are waiting 55 days to get an appointment. and this whole talk about lists is ridiculous. >> they're saying it is just for new vets who are coming. well, i mean, why should the new vet who has a problem have to wait longer than anyone else? i mean, it doesn't make sense, and it seems like they're just sort of -- their back is against the wall so finally after scurrying away from you, driving off in the vehicle they just sort of sit down and give you the pat answers. it all rests on what the investigators find out and tells us what happens. will the families eventually know? >> you know, this is where we're at a real reporting disadvantage. because of the federal privacy laws we do not know who these people are. it is against the law for

anybody inside the hospital to give us the names. even though the families although they know people have died are unaware they're the ones being reviewed. so it is up to the v.a. to let everybody else know under medical review whether they know they screwed up. the trust for the families is just not there. >> has anyone commented on this willing to sit down for an interview? >> we have been down this road, we have asked for an interview for months and months and months talking about deaths at medical facilities across the country at v.a. facilities and trying to ask him what the heck is he doing about this. and who is being held responsible for this. it is radio silence from the v.a. department of public affairs which i believe has 54 public affairs offices in its

headquarters. >> 54 public affairs officers, wow. well, clearly they need them i guess to you know, hide their people or something. it is just outrageous. and again, the vets, new or not, have to wait weeks and weeks and months and months to see a doctor is just -- in this country it is insane. drew, appreciate the reporting, we'll keep on it and continue to follow the story. if you have comments or suggestions for drew or the cnn special investigation go to cnn.com/investigate. and the search for flight 370, and growing claims of a possible wreckage that was spotted, with technology normally used by mining companies. could save them money on car insurance, right? you see the thing is geico, well, could help them save on boat insurance too. hey! okay...i'm ready to come in now. hello? i'm trying my best.

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shins . well, if true it would mean that the search for malaysia flight 370 was off a thousand mi miles. there was a claim from a survey company, the outfit, geo residence, says they are believed to be the -- it is believed to be the area. did they show you any evidence on the claim or how they zeroed in on this area? >> reporter: yeah, anderson, they talked about the process that was scientific and complex, but other than the information that was released in the press release a few days ago not much more. they say we should not question the technology, they say they stand by it and know it works.

but rather we should be looking into the fact of whether or not the wreckage at the bottom of the bay of bengal is in fact mh-370. and by not divulging this in connection with it opens them you up to a variety of criticisms. but they say the knowledge is theirs and they're just not willing to part with it. however, they have given the reports to the authorities involved in the search and they're just asking them to look into it, anderson. >> how do they react, the sceptics, they say it is just not possible, the kind of technology to see that far under water does not really exist. >> reporter: they say it is about 20 different types of technologies that put together what they do. they're not willing to divulge their methodology, which is part of the problem. but they felt it was their moral obligation to hand over their

findings to the malaysian governments and the people involved in the search. and actually they owed it to the families, the people on board to find out whether or not it is the missing plane. or if it is not just to eliminate it as a possible lead. >> appreciate it. let's bring in cnn analyst miles o'brien, and mary schiavo, who represents families and victims. and david souci. miles, you're very skeptical of this company's claim? >> yes, i am, anderson, i talked to a lot of people i know in the space community about satellite imagery and asked them over and over if there is technology out there from a satellite that would allow you to peer deep underneath the ocean a couple of thousand feet and come up with imagery like that. no one knows of such technology that exists. i think for a company to come out and say they have found the wreckage using technology that no one has ever heard of, you

know, there is an old expression, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. and i don't see extraordinary evidence here. and i see no explanation as to how they got the evidence. and given the stakes here, given the fact that families are hanging on every word here, they owe the -- all of us much more. >> mary, i guess one question i have and a question that david gallo pointed out last night was that they have not even explained how they searzeroed i this one spot in the bay of bengal. you know, were they scanning the entire sea in that area using their alleged technology? and if your big announcement is greeted with this amount of skepticism you would think you would want to you know put forward as much evidence as you possibly could. >> right, and show another location where you have been able to find something under the water which they have not been able to do. so i think that is part of the problem, they have not proven here and shown that it worked anywhere. >> david, as far as that satellite data goes, apparently,

the so-called final partial hand shake between the plane was caused by a power surge on board, the theory being what happened with that power surge is why the plane was not fully able to connect with the satellite. what do you make of that? >> well, i think actually my perspective of that is that the sat com system is designed to attempt to transmit. now, the acars situation was not working, but any other anomaly can cause it to connect. it could have been from an engine out or some other emergency on board like the aircraft hitting the water or most likely the engine going out would cause it to try to attempt to connect and make contact and transmit that message. >> so miles, if that is the case, would a power surge, the cause of the final hand shake would that imply that the power had not failed? >> well, you know, it is not as simple. you lose one engine, it flames

out. maybe the auxiliary power unit comes on. and then there is a spinning turbine that comes in. there could have been an anomaly that happened. >> do you start to question, miles, the data at this point that the searchers have been using? you know, the data that found the area where they heard these pings. they have now expanded the search area because they didn't find anything using the underwater side scanning sonar. do you still trust the data? >> well, i think we have to bear in mind how much time it really takes to conduct these searches. you know, remember air france 447, it took them two years to find the wreckage underneath the sea. and they went off on a dead end in one case. but there was some bad information. so the fact is, you know, here we are. 54 days in. and we're like well, this

clearly can't be the place. we haven't found it yet. it is still pretty early for a search of this nature. and the problem is there is so much pressure that we in the media, the public, and of course the families have put on that were saying now we have to look elsewhere. and i think there is just an inconsistency and expectations as to how long these searches take. >> it goes on, miles o'brien, david souci, mary schiavo, we'll be right back. really... so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text.

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hey, that is it for us this hour, make sure you stay with us on cnn for the coverage of the flooding and the fires. that will do it for us. smerconish starts now. this is cnn breaking news. good evening, i'm michael smerconish. we begin tonight with breaking news. we are just hours away from the malaysian government publicly releasing a preliminary report on the investigation. it is 9:00 p.m. here in new york city but it is already 9:00 thursday morning in malaysia. and this is the day that the families of the 239 people on board flight 370 are finally going to get some answers on what may have happened to the airplane. they have been demanding answers since it vanished. we also learned that bangladesh is sending navy ships into the bay of bengal to investigate