achievement over a period of years, i'm sure they are happy to have him regardless of how well he tested on one saturday morning. i'm michael smerconish, i will see you back here tomorrow night. cnn special report, trials of amanda knox starts right now. welcome to our cnn special report, the trials of amanda knox. and the case that's held the world's attention for close to seven years just took another shocking left turn. the aitalian court that reconvicted knox of murder explained its reasons and they are almost as bizarre as the case itself. they include be a entirely new theory of what happened that night and why. evidence that was never heard of before. even additional perpetrators. now in a moment, you will hear what amanda knox herself has it say about all of this. but first, let's remind everyone how we got here and what is in this latest ruling.

amanda knox was just 21 years-year-old charged with murder of her room nate in italy. zeroing in on knox, not because of witnesses or forensics, but what they saw as her bizarre behavior. she wasn't distraught enough. she kissed her then boyfriend outside the crime scene. she did yoga in the police station. soon the italian media came up with a persona of knox that would stick with her the rest of her life, foxy knoxy. sex-crazed villainous who killed her roommate as part after sex game gone awry. part of tabloid headlines but also what some would argue the prosecution's entire case. knox and the slecho were convicted and sentenced to 25 years in prison.

by then, knox was already behind bars for two years. another two would pass before an italian appeals court acquitted knox, citing quote, no objective element of evidence. she immediately flew home to seattle. >> thank you so everyone who's believed in me. >> but last year, a new trial was ordered and now the 300-plus page report is in revealing that an appeals court in florence convicted knox again. but based on a new motive. it wasn't a sexual encounter at all. but a fight over money that led to ker mucher's death. there were multiple asailance and two knives and the court said it was knox who delivered the fatal stab. to the left side of the neck. so much of this based on the statements of the only person whose dna is all over the crime scene. rudy ga day, convicted of ker

mucher's murder separately. he is due to be released thissier after less than six years behind bars. >> you are not surprised to know the outcome of the he decision, obviously. you knew that already. but in reading the reasons, what surprised you here? >> i think what most surprised me he is how this court has attempted to account for exonerating evidence. that is really surprising to me. it is not surprising to me that they put so much emphasis on circumstantial evidence, as opposed to forensic objective proven evidence. and i'm really disappointed about that, because the circumstantial clues of this case have all been equivocal. have been unreliable. where as forensic evidence that proves what happened in that room that night is there.

is available for -- to be understood. has not been taken into consideration. and that continue is to be an incredible difficult obstacle i'm having to overcome to prove my innocence. >> why do you think this judge goes further than any other? not only does he say, this is the knife. not only does he say that you had it because of dna in the bottom of the blade in the hilt, that he believes you are the one who killed meredith kercher? >> i believe, i can't speculate what this judge's motivations are, personal motivations or otherwise. what i can say is that as this case has progressed, the evidence that the prosecution has claimed exist against me has been proven less and less and less. and all that has happened is

that they filled these holes with speculation. i did not kill my friend. i did not wield a knife. i had no reason to. i was in the month that we were living together, we were becoming friends. a week before the murder occurred, we went out to a classical music concert together. we had never fought. and the idea -- i mean, he's brought up lots of things. crazy motives. >> he doesn't agree with anything that you're saying right now, specific to the relationship. right? this judge believes that this fight was about money and that you stole money from your roommate, and that that is what started this violent night. is there truth to that? >> absolutely not. he is getting this from rudy who

is coming up with these sorts of things for self interest. and the truth of the matter is, one, i had no criminal record. so i am not the type of person who is going to violently kill someone for any reason. and furthermore, i had saved up to go to italy. i was not in need of stealing any money. unlike rudy ge day who was a known thief, a known burglar, who did this on a regular basis to survive. and why they would think that i was a thief, when in main meredith's own purse, there are rudy guede's own fingerprints. it is based on nothing. >> what he sees as the fact pattern of that night, and literally almost like a yes/no list, were you and your boyfriend hanging out in the piazza outside your building that night.

>> no. >> did you let rudy guede into your apartment. >> no. >> were you with rudy guede in your apartment that night. >> no. >> was there a fight over money with meredith kercher witnessed by rudy guede? >> no. >> the judge believed the only way he could have gotten in is with keys. he throws out the possibility that there was a break-in through the window, the window found broken and the room disshovelled. why do you think he just dismisses the possibility of that as an orchestrated break-in scene? >> again, i don't know why he thinks that. what i can say is that rudy guede was a known burglar who broke into houses and offices through second-story windows, having thrown a rock, carrying a knife, and these all resemble everything that happened in our apartment. so why he suggested th this is

impossible makes no sense to me. >> he suggests you two had a bad relationship. hats what we call a bad fact in the law. why would they suggest you weren't friends with meredith. >> they said we weren't hanging out as much at the time the murder occurred. that is only because i had gotten a job. if anything meredith's british friends said that meredith was uncomfortable about certain issues of hygiene. but these were not issues that were going to ever lead to any kind of violence. they never led to any kind of aggressive communication between us. that never happened. >> the judge believes that there were three people who did this. he said, the blood is suggestive of it. that rudy guede had three hands. and if he had three hands, he must not have been alone. that dna evidence from rafael

sollecito was there on the clasp, saying she was trying to take off her clothes. and a third person, the dna of poot prints of yours and your boyfriends prove that you were there that night. why is he wrong? >> well, let's break that down. we have a bra clasp that an independent court expert claimed was not reliable evidence because it was collected 46 days after the crime scene had been gone through by the csi of italy. and after police had tromped through it and basically completely destroyed that scene, and so that is not a reliable piece of evidence. then we have the idea that rudy guede wouldn't have been able to attack meredith with two knives because someone today hohad to

down, right? first of all, the murder weapon that he says is the murder weapon isn't the weapon. for an athletic male with a knife to overpower a young woman, that happens everyday in this world. and i don't think that that is impossible to be what happened to meredith. >> and you are saying to me tonight, that is what is also impossible is that you were in the room that night. you had a knife in your hand and you helped kill meredith kercher. >> absolutely. my dna, any trace of me is not there. when they talk about traces of me attributed to the crime scene, they are talking about my dna in my own bathroom or my foot steps that tested negative for blood, that had my dna and meredith's dna on the floor between our bedrooms and bathroom. well, of course our dna is there. we lived there for a missouonth. we were there. it tested negative for blood.

it wasn't blood. we are talking about the crime that happened in meredith's bedroom. and there is no trace of us. if rudy guede committed this crime, which he did, we know that because his dna is there. on meredith's body, around meredith's body. his hand prints and footprints in her blood. none of that exists from me. and if i were there, i would have had traced of meredith's broken body on me. and i would have left traces of myself around meredith's corpse. and i -- i am not there. and that proves my innocence. >> those are the big points that this judge makes. there are others. and there's also another man who judged you before who wants to weigh in on this case. and we have a statement from him. you're going to want to hear it. we're going to have that right after we take a break here and return with the trials of amanda knox. stay with us.

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judge heldman says the florence appeals court has written a script for a movie or thriller book while it should have only considered facts and evidence. there is no evidence to contempt knox and sollecito. it is a verdict that seems to me is the result of fantasy and has nothing to do with the evidence. amanda knox is joining us again now. obviously, words of comfort to you. >> yeah. >> what does it mean it hear that from a now retired judge? >> it gives me a lot of hope. because, i mean, he -- he did the right thing. he appointed independent experts. he looked at the forensic evidence. the proven objective evidence. he didn't -- he didn't give more weight to equivocal and unreliable substantial clues than needed to be and he found us innocent. >> however, the judge on top of him, looked at what he did, dismisses it out of hand, as almost saying, that's why he

retired. because look at this decision. and he seems to believe, his quote, no al tentive explanation, other than his, is conceivable. that is casting a tremendous amount of doubt on the story that you tell about what happened that night. >> it's not a complex case. it is only complex when you try to find explanations for things that are around about, and it's like, no, no. let's get to the facts of this case. then there are other sirk circumstantial clues like my own dna in my own bathroom that he says could only be involved with the murder. that's just not true. >> that rudy guede had to enter from use of your keys. >> that's not true either. >> the judge says that's a fact. >> he add hihad a history of br and entering into second-story windows. carrying rocks and knives. there was a window below he could have climbed up from.

he was perfectly capable of doing that. >> he believes the convicted killer more than he believes what you say. what does that mean to you? >> i don't know. it's definitely very disheartening. because i don't know -- i'm sitting here having to prove my innocence. and it is incredibly disheartening when -- when rudy guede was found to be unreliable. when he was found to be certainly meredith's rapist and killer, that they would consider his testimony over mine. there's -- there's no explanation for it, in my mind. >> what does it lead you to believe that he thinks about you, this judge, as a person?

>> as a person, well, he says in his report that he believes the prosecutor when the prosecutor describes me as a person who was capable of not only completely d disturbing everyone around me but getting drugged up and -- but i'm not that person. and the evidence doesn't show that. >> other thing that judge hellmann says, that you should no, is that the high court will be obliged to confirm the florence ruling if they don't want to openly could tntradict colleagues. >> he was willing to do it. so i have to believe that there are authorities in italy who will be sitting on that supreme court panel who will look at the facts of this case.

and will do the same thing that he did. >> do you believe you are haunted by first impressions? how you were in the aftermath. how the police described you. what they saw as antics. that just never seemed right. do you think you have just been unable to shake the image? >> i think i'm haunted more by people's projections of their ideas on to me than my own impression on others. because there has been an absurd focus on seconds of the hours that i spent outside of my house. of police's testimony of what did or didn't happen in the police office. i think -- i think it's true that people seemed to have had a kind of tunnel vision in my regard.

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we're back with amanda knox. amanda, it was about almost a year ago that we did our last interview. at that time, your book had just come out. you were facing the prospect of this trial, the ruling of which we just received. i want to remind you of what you said then about the prospect of having to return and face this fight again. take a look. >> i'm afraid to go back there. i don't want to go back into prison. i mean, i was there for four years. i just, i have no choice but to confront this. and i don't know. i'm afraid. i'm so afraid.

>> then, you had the anticipation of what will this ruling be. what was worse? the anticipation of it or now knowing where it stands with the judges? >> oh. i think it's knowing now where it stands with the judges. because i had truly believed that this court was going to find me innocent. no new evidence had been presented. i did not expect this. i -- and i'm incredibly hurt and disappointed to read what they're saying is true, but is so clearly not. and i guess my only hope is that people are going to see all of the flaws that are throughout the entire document. that justifies this verdict.

that this whole theory, that i might somehow be involved in some way with meredith's murder is wrong. >> you will appeal. >> yes. >> you will stay here in the united states for the pend ency of the appeal. >> yes. >> what happens if the supreme court confirms this ruling and the case is closed and you are guilty. >> you know, from this whole experience, especially in prison where you have to take everything day by day, right now i'm having to take everything step by step. and if i think about everything that i could possibly be facing, it's way too overwhelming for me to even conceive. >> starting in 2007, it is now 2014. for you, in your life, is it present day? are you able to be present in this day? or are you still trapped in

2007? >> it's definitely a limbo. my entire adult life has been weighed down and taken over by this tremendous mess. this -- this -- i mean, on the one hand, i have my life in seattle. i get to go to school. i get to be with my family, my friends. and i'm so grateful to have them. they really help me get through this and to know there are people who believe me. and then on the other hand, there's in huge weight and there's this huge struggle and trying to learn each step of the way, what -- what's so wrong and how i can fix it. and i guess -- i guess i'm

just -- i guess i'm just one of the lucky ones. >> how so? >> because i'm actually -- i'm actually supported by people. and people have looked into my case. as opposed to have forgotten me. >> if the case is affirmed by the supreme court, if you are found guilty in final fashion, that the united states decides not to extradite, your life goes on, you can live here, you can be in the united states, but will you ever really be free? >> no. absolutely not. no. that's not a livable -- that's not -- especially since right now, me and raffaele together are fighting for our innocence. like i said, i truly believe that that can happen. it is only speculation that convicts us. it is evidence that acquits us.

and i'm holding firm to that. in hopes that what you're suggesting might happen doesn't. >> you're holding out hope? >> yeah. >> amanda knox, thank you for taking the opportunity to answer the allegations against you. and good luck going forward. >> thank you. that's it for us now in our special report. time to hand it back to don lemon and his special report. don? >> all right, chris, thank you very much. this is cnn's special report. i am don lemon. we are learning of breaking news tonight, a news conference in kuala lumpur in the hunt for flight 370. we will bring it to you live as soon as it begins. meanwhile, what may be the most inexplicable thing about the mystery? >> malaysia 370 contact ho chi mihn. >> after those last words, it

was four hours before anyone made the slightest attempt to rerescue anyone on board. four hours may have sealed their fate. you have been tweeting. why don't we find out what the authorities were doing for four hours while flight 370 went missing. let's begin with what we learned today about what happened in the hours after flight 370 disappeared. the newly released report offers a most comprehensive account so far about the fate of the plane and its passengers. cnn's jean cnn's jean is a sars has that. >> it takes 17 minutes from the time the plane disappeares from the cream until authorities realize it is missing. ho chi mihn control in vietnam contacts counter parts. they contact malaysian airlines,

singapore, hong kong and nom pan air control centers to see if anyone is tracking the plane. no one sees anything. but amazingly, it is not until four hours later that the government scrambled to find the missing plane. four hours that the plane is in the air flying. and yet no one knows where it is. >> that is really embarrassing for the government of malaysia. it has been a major problem for the investigation from day one. >> it is not until 5:30 a.m. that malaysia launches rescue operations at the point of last radar contact in the south china sea. it is where officials expect they will find the plane. but when military radar shows the aircraft could have turned west, the search area extends to the strait of ma lacka. >> that was a tremendous mistake. because you know, open water searches like this are very difficult. in this case, we wasted over a

week searching in areas that had nothing to do with the aircrafts location. and by the time we got set up to search in the correct location we were well behind the curve in terms of the life span of the cockpit voice recorder and data recorder. >> initial errors are compounded when investigators learn satellite communication system sent seven messages from the plane showing the aircraft on either a northern or southern arc. with days now turning to weeks, the search area moves yet again. satellite data finally shows flight 370 flew the southern corridor and ended the flight in the southern part of the indian ocean. the time line ends with the last satellite indication which shows the plane could have actually still been in the air at 8: 19

a.m. nearly three hours after rescue operations began, many miles away. jean ka sars, cnn. >> jean, thank you very much. joining me now is. i will start with you. anything in terms of what caused the mystery? >> in terms of the cause, no. but if terms of the act moving forward whob did what, we are much bet are informed. we may not like what we know, but we are much better informed about those crucial hours. after the events took place. >> before we get to the timing, would you like to see the report released on a timely basis from here on out. >> i think there will have to be.

there will have to be an interim report that goes into considerably more detail. not just yet, we've got quite enough to keep us going along. >> but for the time, in the future -- it okay, let's get to it. 17 minutes the plane was off radar. four hours until they started a looking. how big a difference do the gaps make, you think? >> i think they are sizeable gaps. not so much 17 minutes. that is just about, just about, within the confusion of the moment. this four hours, backwards and forwarding, talking to one air traffic controller. miscues offered up by malaysia airlines in terms of where the plane was in cambodia. this is rather disturbing. little bit distressing. because it is not a mistake. it is not an error. it is a miscue and a confusion. >> richard, we have learn bed reassuring, quote reassuring messages sent that may have early complicated search

efforts. what happened, what are we talking about here? >> on several occasions, when they were asked, do you know where the plane is? malaysia said yes, it is in cambodia. next time, yes, we are getting signals from the plane at this particular point which is off vietnam. finally, an hour later they come back and say, oh, sorry, that information is from the projected flight plan. not from the reality. what that did was just muddy the waters. cloud the issue. so that while people may have actually said, do they really know where it is? they just gave a little bit of confidence. it was misinformation. >> you want to see more of it. this will hold you and other reporters an those question is for now. okay, richard. stand-by everyone. we have learned about the cargo on the plane. i want to talk about that where my expert panel and answer your questions as well. be sure to answer us with the

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while we await a news conference from officials, we talk about what we learned about the last hours from flight 370 by the report released by malaysia's transportation ministry. back with me, my team of

experts. everry thomas, hello to you. the report lays out the lack of a military role in that response. does that surprise you? >> look, don, indeed. post 9/11, you know, we all know he what happens there, the lack of response, is extraordinary. you know, if they scrambled a fighter, or any airplane at all, to see what was going on, we would know what happened. this is what happened in australia a number of years ago. we had a ghost flight incident. air traffic control vectored someone to follow to the plane and we followed it all the way until it crashed. this would have saved valuable time. and we would have a lot of answers we don't have today. >> yeah. jeff weiss, remember in the initial days, richard, i'm sure you remember, we talked about lithium batteries.

those were the first scenarios talking about. this includes the cargo manifest. we confirmed there were 5400 pounds of lithium ion batteries on board. richard has the report in his hand. that was on board. does that give a perspective in how flammable that would be and the possibility of lithium batteries being responsible for this? >> it sure sounds like a lot of lithium ion batteries. we do know these kinds of batteries have been linked to fires in the past, spon tan yas combustion as it were. but the thought about lithium ion batteries in the past, before we realize, the plane had flown for eight hours. hard to imagine a scenario in which a plane is engulfed in flames and yet still can manage to fly for ieeight hours. >> we are back it square one with these batteries, it appears. >> we are. but we are told they were packed, packed properly. you pay your money, take your

choice, if you believe all these things. one thing i think the lithium batteries may not be as relevant is even if they caused a fire, even a very debilitating fire, devastating fire, and the fire ex extinguisher te plodeployed, would have known about it. because the likelihood of the fire from the lithium batteries destroying the bay is exactly -- it goes -- >> and an explosion after that and there would be debris somewhere. see, this is what the families want to know. is it conceivable that plane's disappearance had been detected earlier if the rescue efforts had been launched earlier, they may have found the plane during the hours, the time if was flying. supposedly continue flying, before 7 or 8 hours and in continued flying over the southern indian ocean. >> i believe with that completely. in fact, most people will recall that payne stewart had an incident where passengers and flight crew was overwhelmed.

a rapid decompression. the aircraft flew over u.s. land for an extended period of time. jets were scrambled. they intercepted. there were photographs, in fact, where you could see the crew slumped over. they followed that jet until it crashed in a remote area. certainly, it would have been a chance or at left a possibility of tracking the aircraft, knowing exactly where it was, and it is inconceivable that they didn't. getting back to the point about the batteries. i agree, if there was a fire, it would have occurred very quickly and value jet, for example, packaging and the documentation on the aircraft, indicated that they were packed properly. oxygen canisters. but in fact, the safety caps were not put on. we only learn that later after there was discovery and people were examined and ultimately there was a criminal prosecution. >> we are expecting a news conference from malaysia at midnight. what do you expect jeffrey thomas? >> look, i don't believe we'll get a lot from that.

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today we heard the clearest version yet from the last words of the cockpit of flight 370. i want to know what my experts think now. welcome back. richard, take a listen to that cockpit audio. here it is. 370 maintaining level 350. >> malaysian 370. malaysian 370, contact ho chi

mi mihn. >> what do you think. >> i'm not sure there is a huge amount of difference. >> this is for the families. >> for the families. i see why you would did that. but does it take us much further on? i'm sitting here listening. is that younger voice of hamid or -- >> do you know? you met the younger -- >> i could not say. i could not listen and say, honestly. but you've got to listen to them all. you hear zawahari doing something earlier. during taxiing and a later voice. so you've got to listen to it all. >> that's what audio expert said. when have you over the radio, it is tough to distinguish voices. jeff weiss, let's move on. wall street journal is reporting that aviation experts are planning to meet to examine the military radar data. could this change all the current estimates, you think? >> well, wow, i would love to know what they mean by military

radar. if they mean malaysian military radar, they might get something out of it. if they are taking indonesian radar, usaustralian radar, indi radar, who knows. one can always dream. earlier we had up on the screen, the map released as part of this report. that in and of itself is interesting. remember we had a report a couple weeks ago, they went around the tip of sue mat ra. that is different from what we heard. and very significant. i believe there is a radar installation right about exactly there. >> steven, it was reaction today, listen to the reaction of the families that they will be closing the family assistance center in beijing. here it is. >> so, in a news release,

malaysian airlines stated this, and i want it read it. they said, instead of staying in hotels families of mh 370 are advised to update on the search and investigation and other support in the comfort of their own homes with the support and care of their families and loved ones. do you think that they have closed this as part of the operation? what do you make of them closing this part of the operation down? >> it remind me of the sweet that went out and notified the families that their loved ones were lost in the south indian ocean, only to hear days late a are -- hearing days later, they were in the wrong area. they should have planned ahead -- >> you don't think they should have closed it? >> no, you have to close it at some point. it can't go on forever. but you should talk to the family members, talk to them individually. a liaison person, that some point in the near future, we

have to close. we want you to have counseling, provide services to you. a network of communications. families ask get together. we will make arrangements for you to travel back, like others, like france, we had families gathering on a regular basis an airlines would provide for hotel and travel. and they know that is coming. if you set that up and warn families in advance and that you keep the communications open, but there is so much distrust. and this is very different than most crashes. we don't have any evidence of what happened or where the airplane is. >> steven, it's been eight weeks. sad, like you said, they have to do something. and it is not a money issue. >> absolutely, not a money issue. a jet cost $200 million. you're not the cost of a hotel bill for a few months. >> a list of 26 questions the families wanted answered. how many of those were answered in this report, you think? >> i would venture to suggest,

don, that probably none. that the questions they wanted were far more probing and deep than the report is. so i think that they've come up short. and they will probably be very disappointed. >> geoffrey, as you know, last week there was a release, particularly in beijing at that technical briefing when most of those questions were answered. including the detailed ones on frequencies, transmission data, and all those. so that information has been given out in some shape or form. most of it. >> everyone, hold your thoughts. i have to get to a break. stay with me. well answer that question. jeffrey will weigh in and more of your questiones. tweet us hughsing the hashtag 370 qs. live in the same communities that we serve. uhughsing the hashtag

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back now with my panel. this first question is for richard. it is from ken. a big part of their job is to follow closely flights under their control. >> once the flight is up and running, it is air traffic control that is really responsible in conjunction with the airlines operation's center. and they would be the ones that would have been looking after the flight. >> here is one from joseph. has anyone checked out malaysia

radar operations. they may be part after hijack gang. what do you make of that, geoffrey thomas. are there any reports of criminal investigations and what might have happened? >> i don't think malaysia atc is under criminal perspective. maybe competence, but not criminal. >> steven, rereceived a tweet from chad. chad said, who would trust a plane company that made a billion dollars last year, didn't pay taxes, and now can't find one ofi its planes? i don't. >> you have to question that. it is hard to imagine after air france that they don't have equipment to track aircraft and make sure that the pings on the black boxes last longer. but the problem with these foreign investigations which occur in all of them, is you have to rely on the manufacturers. >> jeff weiss, are they too hard on boeing? ten seconds here. >> yes, too hard on boeing. the plane was deliberately

absconded with. you can't blame the manufacturer with. >> well nothing like, throwing it out there, just as we get to the end of the program. >> richard is back and causing all of kinds of trouble. you get the last time. jeff weiss and geoff thomas. thank you. we'll be back at midnight when they have the press conference in malaysia. good evening, everyone, we have breaking news tonight that really is a matter of life and death for people who volunteer to serve their country in wartime and whose country is now letting them down. they are military veterans and as you know we have been documenting how some have been made to wait months for care. and at least three hospitals we know of, have died while waiting in care. one v.a. hospital had a secret list of wait times that they tried to keep hidden.