for years the l.a. clippers were the laughing stock of the nba. tonight the clippers are one of eight teams left in the second round of the playoffs. as a team they have never had it so good or so bad. 28 owners will soon decide the fate of donald sterling's investment which could be worth over half a billion dollars. how would that vote go? i will talk with laila ali, daughter of the world champion and civil right icon muhammad ali. and we have the latest on the search for flight 370. your tweets about the plane and donald sterling pouring in by the minute and my experts are standing by to answer them for you. forcing donald sterling to sell the clippers would be a wrong to his wrong.

booting him out is okay. i want to begin with the fallout from donald sterling's racist rant. if you ask the american public, the people, it's not on easy decision. 47% of the public supports a forced sale of the team, while 50% are against it. could donald sterling hold on to his team? joining me is laila ali, the daughter of muhammad ali, one of the greatest athletes of all time and a civil rights icon. thank you for being with us. your dad is known as both a sports and civil rights icon. i have been wondering what he thinks about the story. have you had a chance to speak to him about donald sterling? >> hi, don. thanks for having me on. yes, i have been able to get my

father's perspective on this. and you know, he feels that if he was playing for the clippers that he would, you know, once those statements were made, he would have walked off and just wouldn't have played. >> he wouldn't have played. >> yes. >> let's talk more about that. he put his believes above his sports prowess. he once sacrificed his title by refusing to go to vietnam. how do you think he would have handled the situation. the players were saying that they were going to boycott the game and weren't going to play as well. did he speak to you more about it? >> my father did put everything on the line just for what he felt he was -- he felt what he was doing was right. it didn't matter about the championships and the dreams and all the talk about, you know, we're not plague for donald sterling but for our team. my father, you know, in boxing you're not in a team sport.

you're in an individual sport. but he is aware is it a team sport. he feels he wouldn't play. it would not be settled in his heart and he would not be able to do after someone speak about african-americans that way being he is one and just being a racist like donald sterling is. >> how do you feel? you're a world champion boxer. players and coaches across the league were happy it was dealt with quickly and severely. but indications are it could drag on into a protracted court battle. how do you feel about it? what should the players do then? >> if it was me, i wouldn't play. i feel that the message would be heard much louder if people's pockets were affected. that's what would happen. you know, these players obviously are making the nba so much money. and i think the situation would be handled much more swiftly and

seriously if it was affecting the dollars that are being made. beyond that it would send a message to the world that weir taking a stand for ourselves and against people who are racist. it has to stop at some point. that's what i would do. >> we said it looks like it's going to be a long, protracted legal battle. most people are saying it's not going to happen. but if the sterlings are able to keep this team will they get any black player or any player to play for them? >> i don't know. everybody makes decisions for themselves along the way. but the only way to make sure i'm doing the right thing is not to play. so many things happen behind closed doors and deals are made behind closed doors. i wouldn't feel right playing for that team not being in control of what actually is going to happen. if the players didn't play and didn't get on that court, then,

you know, the decision might go more in their favor. >> we're waiting to see if the ali name comes into this. numerous names are come into this. oscar de la hoya and floyd mayweather jr. do you think either of them would be a good owner? >> i heard that magic johnson was interested in buying the team. i think he would be a better fit. someone who that is actually their business. some people are throwing it around because they want you to know they have the money to buy the team if they wanted to. some of the talk might not be serious. >> i got the money, so, if that's what they're doing. >> right. >> let's talk about sterling's girlfriend. she has been at the center of attention, this v. stiviano. she spoke to barbara walters. let's listen to her comments and

we'll talk about them. >> i think mr. sterling is from a different generation. i thought he was brought up to believe those things. >> what things? >> segregations, whites and blacks but through his actions he has shown he is not a racist. >> what do you think of v. stiviano. do you see this as generational? >> first of all i have no respect for her or women like her. i don't care what she has to say at this point. i'm glad that this information about donald sterling came out through her but she is obviously a mixed up individual. she doesn't have respect for herself in the first place because she is half black. what i do respect is companies like the state farm insurances and the virgin america airlines and mercedes benz and others who have taken a stand by pulling

their sponsorship dollars from this -- from the clippers because they want to show they don't condone racism and discrimination. but as far as to answer your question, these days at the oakland it have day nobody's going to say anything if you bring black guests to your games or anything like that. everything's a big melting pot right now. that's just the way he personally feels because he is a racist. and like i said being he is dating allegedly dating a woman who is half black shows he is just ignorant and doesn't make any sense but it's i hate the fact that there are more people like donald sterling out there that are racist but they are quiet about it. >> he is 80 years old and people keep saying cut him slack because he is 80. i don't think you should cut anyone slack because they are 80. do you think it is generational? >> i think there are people who were around such as my father when there was still

discrimination or segregation and you choose to be that way or not. but if you have an open heart you at some point -- just like when you are a child you thought certain things and then you grow up and see what is right and wrong. there is never an excuse for hate. period. >> you mature and become an adult and realize what is right and what's wrong. i want to ask you about this poll. it shows that the public is about equally split on whether or not sterling should be forced to sell his team. 47% say yes and 50% say no. does that surprise you? >> no. i shouldn't say that it surprises me because you know, like i said, there's a lot of people who possibly think closer along the lines of donald sterling. i don't see how anyone could think he shouldn't have to sell that team. how could you not put yourself

in a human person's shoes and say these players have to play for this man, i don't understand that frame of mind. you know, but unfortunately, a lot of people put the mighty dollar on a pedestal and that's all they are thinking about when it shouldn't matter at this point, the money that is concerned there. >> do you think that has something to say about the psyche of america that people have certain internal feelings and that's causing them to feel he shouldn't have to give up his property because they may have those sorts of feelings? >> there's some of that. i can't say that everybody -- people harass me on twitter all the time and i don't respond. they say all types of things. there are probably people saying look at her sitting up there looking like she knows what she's talking about. that's the way that a lot of people felt about my father because he loved himself.

people will have to get over it. we all live in this world together. and you have to deal with certain people now or later. and i think that as long as we have hate in the world and discrimination is going to come around full circle. hit you right in the face. people have to learn to open up their hearts and looking at the things and more liking one another than the differences. >> here's kareem abdul-jabbar over the weekend. >> this is a problem. i did research, more whites believe in ghosts than believe in racism. it's something that is start part of our culture and people hold on to some of these ideas and practices just out of habit and saying that well that's the way it always was. but things have to change. >> so the larger points, laila is that people who make racist comments don't believe they are racist at all.

can we recognize our own biases the way we recognize other people's biases? can you be that ignorant of the fact you are racist when you make such comments not knowing you are racist when you make such comments? >> yes, i think people can be that ignorant. maybe people feel because they are not burning people's houses down or sick dogs on them they're not racist. any time you feel superior to someone because of the color of your skin you are racist. and a lot of times people think they're just lesser than we are and that's just the way they are born. that is something that has been passed down. from the first time we learn about slavery in school and you are too young to understand. the black kids are like, why did that happen to us and it might make you feel like less and the white kids may feel like they were superior.

kids don't understand that. they are too young to be learning about it. it is going to make you feel some way inside. and depending on what household you live in it's going to get set straight or that thought is going to be made even stronger. so you know, unfortunately that's just the world that we live in. >> laila i follow you on twitter. i don't send you the terrible comments but i can't let you go without getting your thoughts on a story that you care deeply about, the abduction of more than 200 young schoolgirls in nigeria. and a man claiming to the boko haram leader says he plans on selling them, these kidnapped girls. what are your thoughts on that? >> that's -- that's the type of thing that saddens me. way more than this donald sterling story.

because these are children that we're talking about. obviously i have a young daughter, a three-year-old daughter. i know this is happening all around the world, not in these big numbers like this. but the sex trafficking, what are they calling with the prostitutes and turning the girls into prostitutes and slaves, something has to be done about it. i don't know what needs to be done but something has to be done about it. a lot of people are complaining it's not getting the coverage they feel it should be getting. i'm glad we are talking about it now and i want to see how i can get involved because it has to stop. >> all right. i want to tell you you can catch laila ali on "celebrity wife swap." thank you for joining me. it's always a pleasure. >> thanks for having me on. >> up next, what v. stiviano says donald sterling really believes about black people and

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the nba's justice swift when banning donald sterling for life but the battle over whether he keeps his team, that could be drawn out for a long, long time. i want to bring in my experts to get their takes on this. joining me is cedric maxwell who is a sports radio analyst on the sports hub in boston. gloria allred. and judge hatchett. everybody knows everybody on the panel.

you know, cedric, we have a new national poll at cnn and we asked should nba owners force sterling to sell the los angeles clippers, 47% say yes and the 50% say no. are you surprised by this? >> i'm not really surprised. the reason i'm not is i think a lot of people are looking at the message, the way it was got, the information that was gathered and a lot of people said so what where the information was gathered. if you look at your poll right now it tells me a lot of americans right now think the information was gathered the wrong way and the young ladies who was giving the information the more she talks the more it seems that people are going against her and not donald sterling. so it's really a mixed message that is being sent. >> i want to talk more, gloria, keep that in mind about what he said. but let me give you this

followup. if we break those numbers down further, 42% of whites feel he should be forced to sell and 61% of non-whites think so. what do you make of that break down? >> i think that is typical. most of the black people i polled want one thing, they want donald sterling out of the game. but if you look at friends of mine who are white they are concerned about the slippery slope, what has been said. things are going to be open. i love the way that everybody said -- i'm a confident to donald sterling if you are a confidant, you tell secrets. the commission over the nba did the right thing by my book. >> but cedric, two things here. she's saying she didn't release the tapes. that's according to her and her attorney. that's what she is saying and we

don't know yet if he gave her her mission to record. she is saying that she is her archivist. so people are jumping on that band wagon and maybe doing it. and also shouldn't all americans no matter their race be concerned about privacy? >> absolutely. >> okay. >> but i don't -- don, i look at you and i and we look at it i don't think that donald sterling would say to her, here's a microphone. let me say a lot of disparaging things about african-americans and put it out like. that. >> point taken. >> i don't believe that. >> point taken. gloria, let's talk about that. we don't know how this information was gathered and if she gave it away and whether or not he gave her permission. >> well, don, first of all i understand that she has said that she also sent it to some friends. so if he gave her permission to record the next question is did he give her permission to send

it to friends or the public or anyone else. we don't know. she is sending a very mixed message. the statements on the tape which apparently told the nba that is his voice on the tape, are definitely racist statements. and you know, it may not -- it may be that we're going to hear more than from this particular messenger, v. stiviano and about his past. but that she is trying to rationalize and justify now, look, it's his age. he's 80. he's done good things. he's not a racist this is patentedly absurd. what he said on the tape speaks for itself and it's not in isolation. the man has a past history. we're going to hear more about that. >> gloria i have had a follow up

for you. you have known don and his wife shelly for many years now. she co-owns and she is saying that she is a co-owner of the team and has thrown her support behind the plan to appoint a new ceo. what happens if she doesn't want to sell from a legal perspective? >> it's complicated because we don't know if she is going to file for divorce. secondly we don't know if the team is held in a trust or not. if it is a family trust that complicates it even further. and one other thing about v. stiviano and her saying that he is not a racist. we know that shelly has sued v. stiviano alleging that he gave her a $1.8 million duplex. and maybe she is hoping for a financial reward.

>> judge hatchett the mayor of l.a. spoke with donald sterling believes he will not sell and will drag this out. are we looking at a long legal battle and if so, what do you think the nba and players will do. >> i disagree. i don't think this is going to be protracted. he will file, i don't think he will go quietly into the night but under the bylaws constitution of the nba i would say he has no standing to bring this suit. it gets complicated as to the wife's interests and how that shakes out. but i would suggest to you very strongly tonight, don, that this if it is not solved by the vote of the owners and this gets into another phase, i think this will be resolved by the sponsors, by

the fans, and ultimately, by the players exerting their power. i would take the position that this is a hostile work environment for them. >> as a judge, you would decide for the players, right? >> absolutely. and i would say they need to be free agents on this. >> mark, gloria read ahead in the textbook here. but v. stiviano sat down with barbara walters trying to shed light on her relationship with the clippers owner and talked about whether he is a racist or not. take a listen and we'll talk about it. >> is donald sterling a racist? >> no. i don't believe it in my heart. >> have you heard him says derogatory things about minorities in general, lacks in particular?

>> absolutely. >> so we know how gloria feels about this but are you as confused as i am about her comments? >> i'm with goer yeah. one is that she has a financial stake in no longer painting him as a racist. she could have investments and ties to him and may not want to say that publicly. but she really may not believe it. some people make distinctions between what people say and who they are. there is something about this term racist in america that no one wants hung on them. >> so stop making racist comments. stop being a racist if you don't want that title hung on you. >> you are preaching to the choir but it's a problem. i think he sees a disconnect between what he said about black people and his own identity and between his housing practices in los angeles which are far more important to talk about. >> far more egregious. >> that's what he said, but the

fact is he is a racist. he is a white supremacist in the most literal sense and we have to own that for him too. we run from the term white supremacy and racism. it is like calling someone a child molester. if you believe these things, you are racist. >> and for people who are saying he should not lose a team. why would he run one business one way and another business the other way? stand by, everyone, from the nba to "snl" the debate about race and what crosses the line. a firestorm ensues. >> the way we view black beauty has changed. look at me. see, i'm single right now. but back in the slave days, i would never have been single. it's the little things in life that make me smile.

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race is always a sensitive issue when it comes to comedy, some say off limits, some say anything goes. we saw two examples just hours apart at the white house correspondent's dinner and on "saturday night live." i want to open our conversation to two moments. president obama was on fire at the white house correspondent's dinner. he poked fun at everyone including cnn and had this to say about nevada rancher cliven bundy. >> as a general rule things don't end well if the sentence starts, let me tell you something, i know about the negro. you don't really need to hear the rest of it.

>> so cedric, pbs's anchor made a great point about that clip how it cuts to the white people who are laughing uncomfortably. why are we still uncomfortable about this? >> the president makes you look at race in a way and he can say that being a president of color. it's strange when you hear someone get offended when you hear someone tell a joke of their own. we are so politically correct in this society you shouldn't tell jokes any more. but that was the white house dinner. >> he is more comfortable now talking about race than he was before. someone said it was one of the members of my panel said it was second-term wag. >> it is straight second-term swag with him right now. the idea is you can't win a

presidential election as a black person. you can't be the black candidate. he wanted to be as race neutral as possible. but now he has no other election to win he can engage in race talks. >> it may be easier. the truth is often spoken through jest. and let's talk about "saturday night live." this is one receiving a lot of backlash. leslie jones made an appearance on "snl" weekend update and she made these jokes about slavery. >> the way we view black beauty has changed. look at me, see, i'm single right now. but back in the slave days i would have never been single. i'm 6 foot tall and i'm strong, colin, strong. and he would have hooked me up with the best brother on the plantation. and every nine months i'd be in

the corner having a super baby just popping them out. just shaq, kobe. lebron. kimbo slice, sinbad. i would be the number one slave draft pick. >> judge hatchett you thought she went too far? >> i was offended by it. basically you are making fun about black women who were basically raped and used to breed children. to joke about that it's a painful time of our history. >> judge, it's satire. >> i thought it was too far. you know me. but i thought this was too far.

>> i love the judge and have seen her show a thousand times. >> good. >> but it's satire it's something that people look at and say this is satire. some things you don't go over the line and is so serious but in in case i thought it was funny. i have heard people say worse things and get jokes over it. but this to me you don't turn on "saturday night live" to get an editorial. you watch to get something special and satire is funny. >> leslie responded on twitter, many, many tweets and this one she said, very sad i have to defend myself on black people. if chris rock or dave chappelle did that joke they would be called brilliant. they all do the same type of

material. black people are too sensitive. does she have a point? >> i don't think that black people are too sensitive and i'm not sure i buy the chappelle thing. the image of beauty of american privileges don't center her. i think a lot of pain and frustration comes out through comedy. i'm okay with that but i think that the joke went too far. if he is saying that certain things are too far then it seems to me a culture of rape and slavery does go too far. if there is a line that is across it. i don't want to demonize her. i think she had good intent and was sincere but she didn't consider the way in which that joke repeats a normalization of slavery and a moment in history where you weren't married or coupled up. you were being raped and forced into sex bonds.

>> people do not tune into "snl" for that. >> that's not the point. >> that is the point. gloria, go ahead. >> well, i -- i mean, comedy for the most part is outrageous and gets more outrageous all the time. and you know it's out of bounds and that's what is funny about that. it's not to my taste. i don't like jokes about slavery, about the holocaust and genocide because they are so serious and so horrendous events in history. but she makes a good point about chris rock and african-american comics i think there is more outrage when it comes from an african-american women than when some of the african-american men make jokes that are completely out of bounds and completely outrageous. there is sexism there.

>> oh, my gosh, there are no black women on "snl." and now there are -- and her material is terrible. hang on. >> that's the point. >> that is the point. but listen, i've got to go. but stay tuned to the end of this show. thank you, guests. coming up, major changes in the search for flight 370. investigators re-examine key data in hopes they can pinpoint the plane. we're going to have a live report from perth, that's next. . (agent) i'll walk you guys through every step. there are a lot of buyers for a house like yours. (husband) that's good to know. woman: everyone in the nicu -- all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days.

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there's a new phase underway in the serge for flight 370 and experts say it could last as long as one year and cost $60 million. i want to bring in jeff wise, mary schiavo, now an attorney for victims of transportation accidents. david soucie, and geoffrey thomas, editor in chief of airline ratings.com. and the man who led the search for the wreckage of air france flight 447. first to perth. we learned that data that searchers have relied on will be reviewed again to see if there are any flaws in their calculations. shouldn't this have been done all along? >> well, i think what has been

happening, don, is they have been recalculating and the line we are looking is a 7/3 calculation of the inmarsat data. i believe that more information has come from various countries in southeast asia about what they may or nay not have seen. and this is helping to refine the search information. but we must remember that ocean shield has detected four springs from what they call the highest probability area. so i wonder in fact if they'll find anything new in this recalculation. >> four ping -- i'm wondering now if those pings can be false positives? everything we have -- they have searched this entire area.

they have found nothing. now they're trying to figure out if they should review their calculations. do they know for sure that this plane is down there? even with those so-called pingers that were heard? >> i'm beginning to wonder if they believe in the pingers. i have been looking a lot of investigating, trying to convince myself they're not pings from this aircraft. >> that's a change, all along you were pretty sure they were. >> that's why i am, there is no one, not one scientist has any alternative for what that could be. the only thing i have heard was that it could have been a distance sonar sounder from a submarine or a mystic thing out in the middle of nowhere and it was 100 kilohertz. >> is this all for naught?

do they even know for sure they are searching in the wrong place? >> for me, there is no reason the pingers is good. when the chinese first heard a singer he was on a surface. he was a pinger drifting or tagged on a shark or anything like. that and then the u.s. navy when they were hearing some pinger down below it could be something different. and plus i heard it was some time like 33 kilohertz and people are saying it is because of the pressure the frequency can change. no way. i'm using an acoustic system in deep water. when you have a frequency like on this pinger, there are guarantee for 6,000 meter or 20,000 feet. the frequency does not change. if not how you have any position of submersible or anything like

that. >> so the bottom line, you are not convinced? >> i'm sure they were hearing something but not from the black box. since the beginning i but saying that. >> jeff wise, are you seeing all superior now? seriously, you have been saying -- i saved you for last. you have been saying this from all along. look at you. you have been questioning this data and now you have been proven, it appears, correct. >> i'm just take it all in. this is the moment i've been waiting for, to hear you say. that listen, no, look -- like p.h., i really felt there were fundamental problems with the data. and i -- it just didn't seem to add up. and i think that, you know, it couldn't have gone either way. we don't know what is going on. the ocean is full of mysteries. but my hunch turned out to pan out. they are still searching down there. they still could find something.

but i think, you know, they made a bad call and i think they made a bad call very publicly and that was an error of judgment. >> it was the inmarsat, they give you a longitude and not a lad tuesday and guess the latitude. >> it's mary who gets to go last. in our reporting at cnn, they did not have to do with the plane, the arrests. many people have a hard time believing there was no nefarious involvement here do you think there was a terror plot. >> whether or not this is a terror plot the terrorists are always watching. the terrorists have looked at previous exposures of weaknesses and they have to question about whether it could be and whether anyone in the terror groups had aviation training, hand to hand combat training, knows how to

make a bomb and they have to do that to rule out they were involved in this particular event. and then, to make sure that they don't get ideas from the weaknesses that were exposed as it happened in 9/11. so i think it's important what they did but i don't think it indicates that 370 disappeared because of terrorism. >> when we come back, my experts will answer your questions. so get them in. they just change boots. that's why we made the all-new jeep cherokee. with an exclusive 9-speed transmission and 31 miles per gallon highway. so you can keep going. well-qualified lessees get a low mileage lease on the 2014 jeep cherokee sport front wheel drive for $199 a month.

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back now with my experts, david soucie is causing trouble in the break. you want some clarification about pingers. what do you want? >> i want to know what the sound came from? i want something specific. every time some scientist or expert says it's this, and -- >> he means you p.h. >> i have a lot of information and i called some friends who are using that they are tagging a shark -- >> let's take that for example. >> i called woods hole who tags sharks and tag whales and turrets. i call the manufacturer of the pinger. they do not have a pinger that pings at 1 second intervals in over ten years. the batteries are certainly dead by now. >> people are still using that. >> that's not true. >> i have a friend who -- >> give me the manufacturer and i'll research it.

>> can i jump in and -- >> we're not going to give names on television. >> we don't have to prove what made it. the ocean is full of mysteries. we only recently in the past couple weeks they discovered that this weird burping noise they had been hearing have been from whales in antarctica. but all we need to do is rule it came from mh 370. we can do that in the detection radius of pingers. they can only go about a mile. >> the pinger locator was drug behind the ship at six miles. were they pounding out where the ship was or the pinger was? do we have the information? >> that -- >> but they are not down, geoffrey thomas has a good point. >> they're not done. >> one of the most important things here is pinger location number one, about six miles

north of where they have been searching is deeper than the bluefin can get to. that's where they heard the ping for two hours. that's the best ping they got and we have not searched in that area yet. we have to wait for the orion to do that. we have a long way before we cancel it out. >> it seem like the authorities have cancelled it out. the australian prime minister is scaling back. they have to get new tools. >> they sent the ships -- >> mary, do you want to get in on this? >> well, there's a phenomenon called multipath propagation. this was research that was done after air france 447. it came out of lisbon, i think. and they found that these pingers could bounce off the surface and floor and channels in the ocean and they would put out several paths on the signals.

and they had a case where they found that one sound was able to travel half way around the world. it can go a half mile or a half a globe. >> no. >> there's still a good possibility you could have it. >> not with 37 kilohertz. that doesn't exist. you can have that with low frequency. we know the whale when they are using 7 kilohertz. but not with 37. >> thank you, everyone. i appreciate it. we will be right back. on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know that game show hosts should only host game shows? samantha, do you take kevin as your lawfully wedded husband... or would you rather have a new caaaaaar!!!! say hello to the season's hottest convertible... ohhh....and say goodbye to samantha.

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not only does everyone have an opinion and reason to take offense to anything but they have social media where they can bitch and moan about everything like leslie jones' performance on "saturday night live" where she joked about a slave. >> i'm saying i would be the number one slave draft pick. all of the plantations would want me. i would be on television like lebron announcing which plantation i would go to. i would be like i want to take my talents to south carolina. >> for almost all of last year people were kblaning about diversity asking where are the sisters on "snl." now there are some, you complain

about the jokes. the jeffersons, all in the family, good times, they all used the "n" word and broached controversial race topics as well. "in living color" had wanda. you laughed at them. leslie jones responded by saying that black people were too sensitive sometimes. in this case. she is right, leave the woman alone. give her the freedom the rest of the cast has, the freedom to grow, the freedom to learn, the freedom to make mistakes. she shouldn't have to carry the collective burden of all black people on her shoulders. she's a comedian, not a civil rights worker. leslie jones, ignore the haters. do your thing. kiss ass and take names. i'm don lemon. thanks for watching.

that's it for me, "ac360" starts right now. good evening. tonight the lost girls of nigeria in a chilling video a terrorist leader says he has plans for more than 200 girls kidnapped from their school at gunpoint. he plans to sell them. what we know tonight about this terrorist group, and why parents are too scared to even release their pictures of their missing daughters. also tonight, a high flying circus act goes horribly wrong, sending performers to the hospital after crashing to the ground in front of crowds. what investigators know so far. we begin with breaking news. two major veterans groups calling for the head of the veteran affairs department to resign over allegations that v.a. hospitals are making our vets wait months to get care, are keeping secret waiting lists and that vets are dying while they wait for care. the details revealed in a series of reports on this program. late this afternoon the national commander of the american legion called for the resignation of eric