opportunity offender tonight. you have offended old white people and young black guys. rich. >> all rich people. all very rich. nobody middle class. >> i appreciate all of you. that's it for us tonight. i'm don lemon. thanks for watching, "ac360" thanks for watching, "ac360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, everyone. tonight at 360 exclusive for the first time since he was banned from the nba for making racist comments donald sterling speaks out. i sat down with the embattled l.a. clippers owner in his beverly hills home for a no-holds-barred interview. there was no pr entourage telling him what to say or stop. these are his words and his alone. we spoke for about an hour and 20 minutes and for the first hour sterling was apologetic, denied he was a racist. and says he was goaded by v. stiviano. he was baited to say things he never would have. then towards the end he said some things that many of you will find shocking what he said about magic johnson will be offensive.

throughout this hour you'll hear donald sterling explain, excuse and apologize repeatedly. we'll leave it to you to decide if you think his apologies are sincere. but first we want to quickly set the stage about how we got here. it started with those recordings. they were released online of sterling talking to a woman named v. stiviano. he's talking about a picture she posted on instagram with her and magic johnson. >> he happens to be black, i'm sorry. >> i think it's nice that you admire him. i've known him well and he should be admired. and i'm just saying that it's too bad you can't admire him privately and during your entire [ expletive ] life your whole life admire him bring him here, feed him, [ expletive ]. i don't care. you can do anything. but don't put him on instagram for the world to have to see so they have to call me and don't bring him to my games, okay? >> people call you and tell you i have black people on my instagram and it bothers you. >> yeah.

it bothers me a lot that you want to broadcast you're associating with black people. do you have to? >> you associate with black people. >> i'm not ewe and you're not me. you're supposed to be a delicate wife or delicate girl. don't come to my games. don't bring back people. don't come. >> do you know that you have a whole team that's black that plays for you. >> do i know? i support them and give them food. and clothes. and cars. and houses. who gives it to them? does someone else give to it them? do i know that i have -- who makes the game? do i make the game or do they make the game? is there 30 owners that created the league? >> so did that recording capture the real donald sterling or was he being set up. his strong opinions on that want as he tried to answer the fundamental question is he a racist. >> i'm not a racist.

i made a terrible, terrible mistake and i'm here with you today to apologize and to ask for forgiveness for all people that i've hurt and i've hurt so many people. so many innocent people. and i've hurt myself. you know, i spoke to a girl that i was fond of. and i don't know why -- when i listen to that tape, i don't even know how i could say words like that. i'm not a racist. i love people. i always have. but those words came out of my mouth, i guess. and i'm so sorry. i'm so apologetic. >> what are you sorry about? >> well i'm sorry so many people are hurt. my little grandchild goes to a catholic nursery and they were

passing around candy to everybody. when they got to her they said we don't give candy to racists. so it hurts me. i hurt my ex-wife. she is a beautiful person. she goes to the hospital and she's a volunteer at cedar sinai. when i went to law school she worked at the children's hospital. she's a anguish -- giver. she works. at this stage in her life, she still works. she didn't need this. her whole life blew up. >> are you talking about shelly? >> shelly, yes. i never dreamt that this could happen. it's a terrible, terrible nightmare. >> let me ask you -- let's start

about talking about the tape. did you know you were being recorded? >> no, of course not. of course not. no. >> do you know when it was recorded? were you together in a room with v. stiviano? >> yes. i remember some of the dialogue in a living room. >> so it was just you and her in the room? >> just the two of us, yes. >> so you didn't know she was recording or there was a recording device. >> no, i didn't know she was recording. and she was talking so strange. all of a sudden about politics. but i want to explain a couple of things that i said. one of the things that i said was "don't bring blacks to my game." 25% of my whole game are black people. and i love them. she would always use the black word. that's a black girl.

that's a black guy. this is black. that's black. so when she said i'll bring four gorgeous black guys to the game, players, she was referring to either football or -- i was a little jealous maybe -- >> when did she say that? >> just before. and i said to her, "don't bring them to the game," because of my jealousy. i mean, in any event she never brought anybody to the game. she was baiting me to say things. >> you're saying before the recording that we heard she had said she was going to bring four black players and she specifically said black players >> yes. >> and you're saying that's what this conversation sparked from, stemmed from? >> yes. and so i used her words. i mean -- i really have to apologize to all the people that have been hurt. for them to hear that i'm a possible racist is so painful to me because i'm not a racist and i've never been a racist. it's not me. >> when you saw them take off their warm up jerseys in reverse

and the name "clippers" wasn't on in that first game, what did you think? >> i didn't pay attention. they are clippers. they are mine and i'm theirs. that's how i feel. i would do anything for them. i made a mistake. i hope it's in their heart to forgive me for that mistake. i didn't mean it. i said a few words. i don't know why the girl had me say those things. >> you're saying you were set up. >> well, yes, i was baited. i mean, it's not the way i talk. i don't talk about people, for one thing, ever. i talk about ideas and other things but i don't talk about people. >> do you know how the tape got released? >> no. >> do you think she did it? >> i don't know. i mean, an 80-year-old man is kind of foolish and i'm kind of foolish. i thought she liked me and really cared for me. i guess being 50 years older than her i was deluding myself. >> you were in an intimate

relationship with her? >> i don't know what you mean -- >> she said you weren't. she told barbara walters that you weren't. that she is your protector and your right hand -- >> i don't think a gentleman should discuss any personal items that go on with a woman, and i -- >> do you trust her? >> and i don't want to add to that particular question. >> do you trust her now? >> no, i don't trust her. i just wish i could ask her why. and if she was just setting me up. i think that people say she was taping me for two years. so, maybe i was just fooling myself thinking for two years that she cared for me. she certainly acted like it. >> her lawyer had made a statement that she was your archivist. >> what does that mean? too young for archives. >> you don't want your story written just yet? >> no. >> so you didn't know the tape

was being made. when you first heard the tape was released, did you automatically remember making those statements? >> no. no. >> a lawyer of hers claims she gave some of the recordings to friends and that one of the friends sold it to tmz. do you believe that? >> i really don't know. i don't really want to talk about her. i want to talk about me. and the mistakes that i made. and i want to correct them. >> let's talk about you, then. let's talk about the tape itself. let's talk about the actual statements. >> i'm responsible. i wanted to apologize also to my partners. i have 29 partners in the league that's a wonderful league. i respect them and i love every owner, every owner knows me. i love the commissioner. i'm sure that it's terribly difficult for him to impose severe punishment because he knows me so well.

but here he is trying his best the league actually believes in doing everything in their power to eliminate it, you know, racism. and here he's sitting there behind his desk, i guess, and this explosion comes on his desk. and i feel bad that i caused it. >> we'll talk a lot more about the league's reaction. something i pressed sterling on his claim that it wasn't race it was just jealous this woman he was interested in she was bringing other guys to games. i pointed out that on the recordings he doesn't say other guys. he specifically says black guys. we'll hear his response to that next. later something we did not expect sterling comments about why magic johnson in sterling's opinion no role model. >> i just don't think he is a good example for the children of los angeles. that he would go and do what he did and then get aids.

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woman he was interested in was bringing other guys to the games. that was his defense in a phone call that was released to radar online last week. >> what the hell i'm talking to a girl. the girl is black. i like her. i'm jealous she's with other black guys. i want her. so what the hell can i in private tell her? you know, i don't want you to be with anybody else? >> i want to hear more from sterling about this idea it was jealousy not racism that motivated him. take a listen. >> here's what i don't understand. i get you were saying you were jealous, you didn't want her to be seen with other guys. you didn't want her to be photographed with other guys. you thought she was throwing it in your face. >> did you ever like a girl, were you ever jealous of her a little bit if she was with other guys. it's not that i didn't want her to be photographed. >> you were jealous? >> i admit, i was jealous. it was stupid. >> the thing is, though, what you were saying wasn't i don't want you to be seen with other

guys, you were saying i don't want you seen with black guys. >> because she used the word black guys. i'm bringing gorgeous black guys. >> but in the tape you're the ones -- you're saying that friends of yours are calling you up saying, telling you she's bringing black guys to the games. let me read to you so you can respond. >> it's all convoluted. >> you say you are taking pictures of minorities, why? later on you say it bothers me a lot you want to broadcast you're associating with black people. she said you're associating with black people. you're a delicate white or delicate latino girl. the question then is, why does being seen with a black person not make her a delicate white or delicate latino girl? >> i can't explain some of the stupid, foolish, uneducated words that i uttered. i don't know. you know. you start. you get upset. you say things. >> one other thing you said, you

said i'm just saying in your lousy expletive instagrams, you don't have to be walking with black people. if you want to, do it. >> it doesn't make sense. i don't care. i didn't care. >> would it have been okay with you if she was bringing a white person to a game. >> she brought -- she had four seats. she brought a lot of people. i don't understand why in the world i said any of those stupid uneducated remarks. because i really don't care who she brought to the game. i was more interested in the game. i was a little jealous, i have to admit. but i don't know -- i don't know why i said stupid things. >> for a lot of people these comments that were caught on tape do echo other charges that have been made in the past by elgin baylor in other lawsuits. >> no, no. you're trying to connect this.

>> no, i'm not. >> elgin baylor has nothing to do with the things that i said 20 years later. what did it have to do? >> elgin baylor made a claim you had a plantation mentality and now in this thing you say you feed these guys -- >> i think you have more of a plantation mentality than i do. you know. i think you're more of a racist than i am. i'm not a racist and i've never been a racist i'll never be a racist. i don't know what that means. you're asking me about questions. what do you mean a mentality. >> to have a plantation mentality is to feel you own these guys. they're working for you. >> do i own them. >> i don't know. >> my players earn $100 million a year. do i own them? >> in this tape you're saying i support them, i give them food, clothes, cars. >> i think i create opportunities for them so they can make $100 million. i don't give them anything, believe me. those players can get that same amount of money anywhere else.

>> you acknowledge they earned that. >> of course they earned it and they worked harder than any other sport. >> donald sterling says he has tons of support. he says the players still love him and just the media that wants him out of the nba. we'll have that part of the interview next. and later this is the most surprising part of our conversation, donald sterling pretty much trashing magic johnson. >> what has he done? can you tell me? big magic johnson, what has he done? >> well, yes, he's a business person. >> he's got aids. did he do any business? i'd like -- did he help anybody in south l.a.?

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decide that has to be done, i think i should work with them and do it. >> the nba says they want you out. are you willing to give up ownership of the clippers? >> well, i'm not sure that's what they want. >> that is what they want. >> that's your opinion and that's what the media says. i'm a good owner. i have a good team. there are people that want to buy my team. but because the media says that the owner want me out doesn't mean that they want me out. >> have you talked to any of the other owners. >> i've talked to several of the owners. >> have any of them supported you? >> of course they support me. they can't understand why i would say that. i can't understand why i would say it. >> you're saying some owners of the nba teams that want you to remain the owner of the clippers? >> i don't speak for the league or for the owners. they speak for themselves. >> have any owners told you that? >> i didn't ask them. i embarrassed the league. i humiliated them. i don't know how, why i did it. i mean it's so terrible.

>> so you don't believe, though, that the owners would vote to have you removed as owner? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. >> if they did would you fight that in court? >> we're not there yet so why should i, you know, address that issue? >> you haven't thought about it? >> i don't want to fight with my partners, you know. >> we all do what we have to do in life. i love them and i respect them and whatever their decision is with regard to the disposition of my terrible words then i have to do it, i think. the players don't hate me. the sponsors don't hate me. the fans don't hate me. the media hates -- it's all the media. >> honestly you really believe that it's just -- >> i believe it 100%. i believe it 100%. people call me by the thousands and give me support. they don't say i shouldn't have said that. >> you don't think the players don't like you. when the clippers --

>> why wouldn't they like me when i'm respectful? >> when they reverse their jerseys and didn't -- >> well if one does it, then the others have to do it. >> you think it was just pressure? >> what do you think? do you think they all are going to walk off? can any of us just stop working? we all have to work. we all have to earn a living. we all have bills. we maybe work for an employ we don't love. i contend that they love me. >> you think they still love you? >> i do. >> you believe the players of the los angeles clippers -- >> absolutely. they know i'm not a racist and i'm not a racist. >> why haven't they come forward and said that? >> well, you see, people are intimated by even the thought of racism. and around the world, they call me from australia, from london, and they ask me, different media, are you a racist? i'm not a racist.

>> well, sterling's estranged wife certainly hopes to keep her 50% stake in the team. so the future of the clippers' ownership is still very much in flux. shelly sterling broke her silence in an interview with barbara walters. she gave her take on whether she thinks that donald sterling is a racist when she heard the recordings of v. stiviano. >> it was horrible when i heard it. i mean it was just degrading and it made me sick to hear it. but as far as a racist, i really don't think he's a racist. >> have you discussed these remarks at all with your husband? >> he saw the tape, and he said i don't remember saying that. i don't remember ever saying those things. >> what did you think then? >> that's when i thought he has dementia. >> i spoke with donald sterling for more than an hour and doesn't make me an expert on his mental state but he doesn't strike me as someone suffering from dementia.

obviously you need to know somebody for a long time to see early onset dementia. but donald sterling without counsel there, without a pr team there clearly had things he wanted to say. during the interview he was present. if i skipped around on questions he would sometimes come back to questions i asked so he could finish his answers. certainly if he had clear signs of dementia, we would be -- it's not something i would allow an interview to go forward with. up next what donald sterling said to me about magic johnson instead of trying to soften any of his previous comments about the l.a. lakers legend, he amped up his attack, crossing a line that will no doubt spark a new outrage. >> what kind of a guy goes over tory city, has sex with every girl and then catches hiv. is that someone we want to respect and tell our kids about? i think he should be ashamed of himself. i think he should go into the background. but what does he do for the black people? doesn't do anything. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business.

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we're back with my exclusive interview with donald sterling, first time he's being talked since he was banned for life from the nba. you heard him say repeatedly he's sorry.

he also said he was baited to make those comments. he told me, quote, i don't know why the girl had me say those things, as if he had no control of his own words. the girl was v. stiviano. magic johnson tweeted he and his wife will never go a clippers game again as long as donald steriling is the owner. as you know in the recording of donald sterling's rant he berated stiviano for being seen with the l.a. lakers legend. sterling bashed magic johnson again. i'm sure it will be deeply offensive to many people. magic johnson has made a public comment. do you have something to say to him? >> what i can say to him? it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter. i'm hurt, but it doesn't matter >> you're hurt that he -- that he said -- that he spoke out publicly. >> i'm hurt he called me up and he said don't do anything, wait until you hear from me.

then somebody called me later and said he doesn't want to be involved. and then he released a tape that i said to him that i talked to him in confidence. i didn't give any interviews. you're my interview. i'm deciding if i like you. you know, but i -- here is a man who -- i don't know if i say this. he acts so holy. he made love to every girl in every city in america. and he had aids. when he had aids i went to my synagogue and prayed for him. i hoped he could live and be well. i didn't criticize him. i could have. is he an example for children, you know, because he has money he's able to treat himself. but magic johnson is irrelevant in this thing. he didn't do anything harmful to anybody and i respect him and i admire everything that he does.

you know, i would like to help even more if he would offer me an opportunity to help. i like to help minorities. >> magic johnson had said he would never attend a game while you were owner. apparently he showed up to a game today. >> he would never what? >> attend a clippers game as long as you were owner and he came today to see the game. >> he was there at the game? >> yeah. >> i don't think it's worthy of even discussing such a stupid remark. but he lulled me into waiting a week. you know what i mean. he said, don't do anything. >> you're saying he told you not to say anything? >> don't do anything. i know the girl. i'll help you. i'm waiting and i'm waiting and i'm waiting. >> what you're saying is magic johnson called you up or you called him up. >> i don't know his phone number. i don't call anybody. i'm loyal to you. >> he called you up when the

tape came out and he told you not to say anything. >> yeah. >> why did he say don't say anything? >> he said wait, be patient, i'll help you. we'll work it out. >> why do you think he said that? >> i think he wanted me just to do nothing so he could buy the team. he thought maybe the whole thing would be resolved in two weeks. what has he done? can you tell me? big magic johnson. what has he done? >> yes, he's a business person. >> he's got aids. did he do any business? i'd like -- did he help anybody in south l.a. >> i think he has hiv. he doesn't have full-blown aids. >> what kind of a guy goes to every city and has sex with every girl and catches hiv. is that somebody we want to respect and tell our kids about. i think she should be ashamed of himself. i think he should go into the background. but what does doe for the black people? he doesn't do anything. you call up and say --

>> he's opened a lot of businesses in inner city neighborhoods. >> the jewish people have a company and it's for people who want to borrow money at no interest. they want to get a fishing pole. we want to help people. if they don't have money we'll loan to it you. you don't have interest, one day you'll pay us back. so i'm just telling you, he does nothing. it's all talk. >> are your saying that african-americans don't contribute to african-american communities as much as jewish people do. >> there's no african-american -- never mind. i'm sorry. you know, they all want to play golf with me. everybody wants to be with me. >> by the way magic johnson has a foundation that's been around for 20 years that's raised millions of dollars for hiv/aids awareness among other things. we'll tell you about it later this hour. sterling stopped himself before he finished that thought about african-americans. earlier in the interview he made

it clear what he thinks on the subject of charitable work, his own and of african-americans. it started when i asked him about his relationship with magic johnson. you have talked to him? >> twice. and then -- yeah. >> did you apologize? >> he knew the girl, he said. he knew the girl well. >> did you apologize to him? >> well, if i said anything wrong, i'm sorry. he's a good person and he -- what am i going to say? has he done everything he can do to help minorities? i don't think so. but i'll say it, i'll say it. he's great. but i just don't think he is a good example for the children of los angeles. that he would go and do what he did and then get aids.

i mean, come on. maybe he doesn't think i could be a good owner. i remember when he came from detroit, he came to my house. you know, he was a great player, great player. but what i would like to know exactly what -- what does he do? he works with the dodgers. >> he's got a business. he owns movie theaters. >> i spent millions on giving away and helping minorities. does he do that? that's one problem i have. jews, when they get successful, they will help their people. and some of the african-americans, maybe i'll get in trouble again. they don't want to help anybody. what has magic johnson really done for children's hospital which kids are lying in the hallways. they are sick.

they need a bed. what has he done for any hospital? what has he done for any group? i don't know. maybe he's done a lot. i know he's successful in business. but i'm not interested in business any more at all. i'm interested in helping people. >> you are interested in business. you're interested in maintaining ownership of the clippers. that's business. you can take -- you can take hundreds of millions of dollars from the sale of the team and help whoever you wanted with that money. >> and maybe i'll do that. >> a lot more on the facts about magic johnson's track record of giving back. magic johnson's foundation he founded in 1991 gets high rating for charity navigator. it has four stars, the best rate possible. foundation provides funds hiv/aids awareness, testing and treatment as well as scholarships and mentoring for minority students and other to support ethnic diverse communities. it spent many millions of

dollars on those programs over the last 20 years. as chairman and ceo of magic johnson enterprises johnson invested heavily again millions in underserved urban communities. donald sterling does not know those facts. filmmaker spike lee joins me tonight to talk about all of this. overall what do you make of donald sterling? of what he said? >> why they let him speak. who is around him -- >> that's an interesting thing. there was no lawyer there. no pr person there. it seems like it's just kind of him. >> i'm amazed. i don't know -- >> for the record magic johnson has the magic johnson foundation. his business life invests in inner-city communities. his foundation has given millions on hiv/aids education, on overall education on scholarships to people, on, you know, working communities. so for 20 years he's -- >> this attack on magic is

crazy. he's messing with the wrong brother. and magic is loved by everybody around the world. and to talk about some other stuff that has nothing to do with nothing is ridiculous. and the whole what jews do and what blacks don't, that's insane. anderson, i did a documentary which was nominated for an academy award called "four little girls" it's about the bombing of the baptist church in birmingham, alabama. and i interviewed george wallace and this reminds me of george wallace in that interview. >> how so? >> he was trying -- all the stuff he did, all he could talk about was i bought school books for black kids who didn't have school books. he didn't want to hear about the bombing. the german shepherds, the hoses and for him to say, you know, how he's helped minorities and

then try to juxtapose that with what magic johnson is not doing. it's ludicrous. and this thing is getting volatile now. the wife says, i'm not selling. she has 50% of the team. the other day, lebron said, and i think he was speaking for all the players, if the sterling name is attached to this team, it's going to be crazy. >> donald sterling doesn't believe that. donald sterling says he believes his players on his team love him, support him, that they are just being intimidated not to speak. >> that sounds like a plantation owner. my darkies love me. they're not going to revolt. like he said before -- >> he says contracts are contracts. they will work. the coach will work. the sponsors will come back. >> contracts are broken all the

time. it's called a strike. >> he clearly believes he can maintain ownership of this team. i mean he believes -- >> he's delusional. >> he believes there's business deals to be done. that there's money to be made. that he's the one to do it. >> he's making the nba look like the laughing stock and if i was an owner, he has to go. with the quickness and his wife. >> when he said he doesn't know -- you know i brought up the whole plantation mentality which is a comment elgin baylor made back in a lawsuit in 2009. he doesn't even understand what a plantation mentality is, that he loves everybody equally. is there anything he could have said that would have convinced you that he's not who you think he is? >> no. no. because -- you can just look at him, hear him talk, and he's delusional. and he's not in touch with today's world. he's back there with "leave it

to beaver" or "ozzie and harriett." those days are gone. over. we're not -- america's not going back to that. >> do you think he should speak more? do you think he should speak less? >> he should s-f, shut -- >> s-t. >> yeah, yeah -- shut the you know what -- up. i'm dyslexic. >> takes me a little while as well. >> he's just, he says that magic should go away in the background? he's the one who should go away in the background. >> he thinks this is a media creation. the media creating this or trumping it up. the players know who he is. >> he needs help. he needs some advisers, lawyers or something. he can afford them. because he's just out there on his own just talking crazy. and he's not making it better.

>> what do you recommend somebody in this situation do? you know, somebody has been accused of racism. it's a difficult thing to say i'm not a racist. no matter when you -- when you end up saying the sentence, i'm not a racist, it inevitably sounds bad. how do you go about correcting something like this? do you think? is there a way? >> i don't know if it's correctible. and the more he talks, the more he's proven that he is one. so i just, adam silver, the owners they got to do something with him and his wife. >> you say move quickly. >> excuse me? >> you're saying, move quickly? >> i mean everybody was applauding, you know the decision, banned for life and then it's just like, it's crickets now. where are they in the process of moving forward? >> spike, good have you here. >> thank you.

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more now on any exclusive interview with donald sterling. earlier you heard him tell me he thought he was set up that got him banned from the nba for life, baited by the girl, v. stiviano, who recorded the conversation during an argument according to tmz, who posted the recording. when she's in public she's wearing this very awesome full face visor. her relationship with the 80-year-old is unclear and her motivations for making the tape is also uncertain. there's plenty of speculation about it. in an interview with barbara walters, she says that she

doesn't think that sterling is racist. she called him a kind and generous man. he talked about how much she hurt him. did you say to somebody that you should have paid v. stiviano off. >> no. >> did she ask you for money? do you believe she was trying to extort money from you in any way? >> you know, forgive me for saying this, but she is a good person. she is a beautiful person. there's 15 of her, 15 children, 15 hispanic kids, sisters and brothers and she supports them all. perhaps she's made some mistakes. i thought she cared for me. i was stupid. how could a girl care for a man 51 years older. she didn't -- she wouldn't release those tapes. but she's not a bad person, you know. she has to survive.

she's a street person. but inside she's a good person. >> you still think she's a good person? >> but she's not relevant to this conversation. i don't know why she did what she did. i wish god would tell me, but whatever she did, good or bad, i'm the guilty one for uttering those terrible, ugly words that i don't mean. i made such a mistake. i thought that woman really cared for me. but thank god this has all come to the light because it could have been worse and she could have -- i don't know what she wants. i don't know how it happened. >> she told barbara walters there's other tapes -- there's other recordings out there. >> they say there's a hundred. >> do you believe there's other things you said which you may regret? >> i don't know what she baited me to say. >> do you have the sense she was

wanting money from you, more money than you've already given her? >> i used to think i understood women. i don't think i do any more. i don't know. i don't know why she released it. she never said what you just said. >> she never directly asked for money? >> pardon me. >> she never directly asked for money or extorted money? >> no. you know, if i really can be honest, this girl, a hundred men could look at her and perhaps they wouldn't even think she's pretty. but she was something special. and the point that i'm making is she was a woman who really never asked for anything. she had a way of walking by neiman marcus and looking in the

window and saying, sweetie, do you think that that dress is beautiful? if you're a man you would want to go buy the dress. >> you gave her multiple cars and an apartment. you were very generous to her? >> i was generous. i'll cover that with you. but some women -- she was so nice and so sweet for the two years. i just -- i just couldn't believe she was so sweet and so nice. and she never really asked -- she tried to help her family, the 15 people. what a job. >> you're still sympathetic towards her. >> i just would like to know why she did it. it's like a woman stabbing you in the chest or shooting you. and sometimes women say i love him and they kill him. >> up next what donald sterling did after our interview that may surprise you. all we do is go out to dinner. that's it? i mean, he picks up the tab every time, which is great... he's using you.

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despite being banned from the nba donald sterling still feels very much a part of it. as i was leaving after our interview he was settling in to watch the clippers game from his home. he's not allowed to go to see it live. he can't go games. he clearly feels he's still a part of the team and has a future with the team. the interim ceo of the clippers gave his thoughts on whether

sterling has any chance of staying in the game. >> my personal belief is that the league will prevail, which means that there will be an ownership change. that's a personal belief based on having not only looked at the docs but adam silver in the eye and seeing the determination. >> we shall see. donald sterling certainly has a lot more to say about that topic, about his future role with team and his wife's possible future role. he'll talk about it tomorrow night. magic johnson will i'm bill weir. our lead story is anderson cooper and this stunning interview with donald sterling. i was watching people pick their jaws up off the microphone floor moments ago. anderson, it's incredible. i imagine there's greatest hits here. i have to ask you about this magic johnson exchange. why did he decide to attack one