happening now. breaking news. magic johnson just responded to donald sterling's verbal attacks. the nba legend is speaking out in an exclusive cnn interview about sterling's shocking statements to our own anderson cooper. >> big magic johnson, what has he done? >> well, he's a business person. >> he's got aids. >> plus, a blow to the bluefin, the underwater drone suffers serious damage under a difficult new phase for the search for flight 370. can the mission recover? we're going to find out soon. and this -- syria civil war exploding with new fighting and a desperate warning to the united states that al qaeda is thriving in the chaos. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> magic johnson tells cnn he's going to pray for donald sterling after the owner of the

l.a. clippers unleashed a new tirade against the basketball legend. much like the racist rant that got him banned from the nba for life. cnn's anderson cooper is standing by, just wrapped up an exclusive interview with magic johnson. anderson, i want to listen to a clip of your interview with sterling first and his verbal attack against johnson. >> what kind of a guy goes to every city, has sex with every girl, then he catches hiv and is that someone we want to respect and tell our kids about? i think he should be ashamed of himself. i think he should go into the background. but what does he do for the black people? doesn't do anything. >> anderson is joining us now. you just came from an interview with magic johnson. tell us about it, anderson, what did he say about sterling's remarks? >> well, just factually speaking, the thing that's so bizarre is magic johnson for 20 years has had the magic johnson foundation, which has given

millions of dollars to hiv/aids awareness and education, to educational programs for underserved communities, for community outreach, and his business life is also focused on bringing businesses to urban communities that have traditionally been underserved. i talked to magic in an extensive, wide ranging interview we're going to have tonight on "ac 360" at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, and he really takes the high road in all of this and has some very strong reaction to the things that donald sterling said. let's listen to some of it. >> my whole is life is devoted to urban america, so, you know, i just wish he knew the facts when he's talking, but he's a man who's upset, and he's reaching. he's reaching. he's trying to find something that he can grab on to to help him save his team, and it's not going to happen. it's not going to happen. the board of governors now have to do their job. adam silver, our commissioner of the nba, did a wonderful job of banning him for life.

now the board of governors got to do their job. and again, i'm going to pray for the man, because even if i see him today, i'm going to say hello to donald and his wife, as well. i'm not a guy who hold grudges and all that. yes, am i upset? of course. but at the same time, i'm a god-fearing man, i'm going to pray for him and hope that things work out for him. >> he also responds to allegations donald sterling made to me that somehow magic johnson is trying to get the clippers away from him by using underhanded tactics. magic responds to that, talks about whether or not he is, in fact, interested in purchasing the clippers, if and when they come up for sale. it is a very wide ranging interview, wolf. >> looking forward to it, but i want you to hold on for a moment, because michael sam, the defensive end of the st. louis rams, speaking out now about becoming the first openly gay player in the nfl. >> you know, depending on what you want to do with it, i wanted to get out, i wanted to do some

great things, so i played sports, i got better at football. i got better at my grades, went to college, i was the first person in my family to graduate, and now i'm the first person in my family to go to the nfl, so i'm just keep on fighting. keep fighting the good fight. >> you've overcome a lot of adversity already, but you're facing a lot of tough competition on this team. will you make the cut? >> will i make the cut? you want to find out in a couple months, huh? >> michael, what is your thought of being the first gay athlete to play in the nfl? >> i guess it's great. i don't know what you want me to say. >> michael, when the process was unfolding saturday and you're still sitting there and you

haven't been taken by a team, how are you rationalizing or explaining things to yourself as you're waiting there, or did you even go there? >> i was just, you know, praying and had faith in god and i believed in my talents and coach fischer and mr. seed, they all believed in my talents and here i am. >> michael, have you had a one-on-one conversation with your father? >> no, i have not had a one-on-one conversation with my father. >> michael, i know in a lot of ways you're being drafted and playing in the nfl is going to validate, you know, some things for a lot of people that we can look past certain things here and there, but you've already had one nfl player disciplined for comments on twitter. you may hear things, face to in this case, or hear things elsewhere, comments from other players. how are you preparing yourself for that?

>> when -- when you see me, like i said earlier, i'm determined to be great. i'm determined to make this team. and i have every confidence in myself that i will make this team, so when i do make it and when i put my pads on and if somebody wants to say something, then you're going to see number 96 running down that field and making good, big plays with his team. >> any significance to 96? >> no. i wanted another number, clearly, but that number was taken. >> michael, over here. the combine was just two weeks after your announcement and your workout wasn't the greatest. was it a chance or possibility that, you know, you had a lot weighing on your mind. do you think that was a factor? just two weeks after. >> you know, the combine was an interview to make an nfl team, so i made one, so i guess the combine doesn't really matter anymore.

>> now that you've been picked, did your sexuality effect where you went in the draft in your head? >> i have no idea. i know that by the seventh round, pick 249, michael sam's name got called, and here i am. >> the predraft process is very taxing for every player. >> you have no idea. >> how taxing was it for you and is there anything you would do differently, if you had to do it over? >> you know, i wouldn't do a thing differently. i waited and i waited and i waited, and i said long ago that whoever picked me, whatever team that does pick me, they know about my sexuality, they know about everything about my past, and that's the team i want to play for. ironically, it's st. louis rams, and st. louis rams, my very first college game was at the dome, so it's just ironic that

i'm here. >> michael, i don't know if you're aware there was a post on the mizzou facebook page about a man who told the story of watching the draft with a lot of military people and after you were drafted, his son, who was 15 years old, started crying and told his father for the first time that he was gay, and the man said, thank you, mizzou, thank you, michael sam, for being a role model. do you feel that -- how do you feel about that, and do you feel that can help other people? >> i'm honored that i helped someone to be comfortable with who they are. gave them a little courage to speak to his father. but you know, i'm very honored to have had that happen to his son, but right now i'm just looking forward to continue on my dream and if it inspires other people, hey, i'm with you. if anyone is not okay with that, like i said earlier, if someone disowned you, hey, be a part of my family, i'll welcome you.

ram up. >> hey, michael, welcome to st. louis, first off. i just wanted to ask you, seem like such a great ambassador for your community. where do you get the poise? i mean, all eyes have been on you for a long time now and that's a ton of pressure, so where does that poise and strength come from? >> i've always had it. i mean, i always had it. this is just me. this is michael sam. you get the real deal right now. >> michael, would you mind just sharing with us an anecdote, a message, a story, a phone call that maybe you've received through this process that's really stayed with you, that's meant a lot to you? >> you know, i guess, you know, all of my friends, family, all my friends and family who just been supporting me and are very proud of me, and i want to thank everyone. i want to thank, like i said, the st. louis organization.

i want to especially thank my alma mater, my school, mizzou, and i want to thank my friends and family. i'm very grateful and very glad to be a part of their lives. >> michael, two-part question. i'm just curious, number one, how the locker room, how you felt the locker room received you and what your nerves were walking into a new situation like this. >> i have no nerves at all, they came to me, welcome to the family, let's get to work, and that's what we're going to do. >> i think you said in one of your press conferences the rams had a lot of guts or whatever words you used by drafting you. what does it say to you about the rams organization to show the willingness to step up? >> they see good potential in people and they are ready to win a championship and i hope i'll be a part of this team to help win a championship. >> michael, you said earlier if somebody would say something nasty to you on the field, you'll make a play or you'll

react that way. has that happened to you in the past on the field or locker room and how did you react, if it did? >> it clearly didn't happen last season, because no one knew, but i use little things to motivate me and make me a better player, and thank god for you guys for making this all a big deal, because it's just going to make me even a better player than i am now. >> coach fish, can you talk to him about 15-yard penalties? >> they always catch the retaliator. >> there's a thing called the bench behind us. >> it will be -- coach, guarantee you, it will be making great plays, especially sacks. >> michael, i'm not sure if you know, but in missouri, people can be fired for their sexual orientation. what are your thoughts about that? >> i have no idea where you were, but -- oh -- can you

repeat the question, please? >> in missouri, people can be fired for their sexual orientation, what are your thoughts, or does that give you pause? >> it's sad that they can be, but, you know, i can't really do anything about that. >> michael, you were eluding to poise before. is it true you were calling yourself ice man when you were in grade school, and what was that all about? >> that was a long time ago. >> this is where the past haunts you, right here. >> that was a long time ago. i was just trying to be cool. >> did it work? >> it got me here. >> for kevin, just curious what you guys have heard from people toward the organization over the last couple of days. >> i think we've heard -- >> all right, there you see michael sam, the defensive end, now drafted by the st. louis rams playing at the university

of missouri, he was an all-american. explaining the historic moment. he is about to become the first openly gay player in the nfl. very impressive statements. don lemon, anderson cooper with us. don, first to you. what did you think? >> how could you not root for this young man? i mean, he's -- he's fascinating young man. he's amazing. he, apparently, you know, wants to just be a great football player. now he has all this -- imagine the pressure he's dealing with. i think he's amazing and i don't care if you believe in gay rights or whatever it is, i can't help but root for this young man and i don't see how other people can't, and wolf, if i can just convey a little story when they asked him about his father, the reason they asked him about his father because he's pretty much estranged from his family. his family does not accept his sexuality, so he has created around him a base of people who have become his family, and that includes his boyfriend, with the infamous kiss from the other night, his managers, and his

agents. and he had all but given up on being drafted when he got the phone call. he was upstairs and one of the people closest to him said he was almost inconsolable and at the very last moment he got the phone call from the rams, rushed downstairs, his boyfriend was there and it was just a moment where they kissed. and i also got the letter, too, from mizzou on the facebook page and the gentleman that said it, combat vet, over 85 years of military service in our family, when michael sam was finally drafted, my son started crying and told me he was gay, said he didn't want to hide anymore, thank you, mizzou, for embracing mr. sam and recruiting a young man of his caliber so kids like my son have more positive role models to look to and thank you for providing opportunities to students regardless of diversity. i will be pulling for you from military academy. stay classy, mizzou.

i think he's fantastic. >> yeah, one of the final players to be drafted, but he was drafted. anderson, give me your final thought. >> one of the things i think is so admirable about him is that he made this public before he was drafted. he made this public at a time he did not have to do that, at a time that was perhaps the riskiest thing for him to have done. he could have easily stayed silent and not in any way impacted his selection by the nfl, and i think that shows a certain kind of courage that he was willing to do this at this point in his career, and i also think the reaction to the fact that he kissed his boyfriend, his partner on camera, is kind of surprising. it's very telling, but when you think about the amount of times that heterosexual people hold hands on the street or kiss on the street or kiss on television and nobody says anything about it, the idea this has somehow raised so much questions and concerns and the fact we even had it in a moment on a lower

font, the kiss, is kind of remarkable, that in this day and age, it gives you a sense of how often gay people are expected to kind of edit themselves in public in terms of their behavior, their interactions with their loved ones. >> he's going to inspire a lot of young people out there, there's no doubt about that. he's going to be a role model. his jersey, by the way, it's number 96, st. louis rams, i think, is the second most popular selling jersey right now. so, congratulations to michael sam. >> it was 52, but 52 is taken by alex ogletree. >> he's now going to be number 96 for the st. louis rams. anderson, thanks very much. don, thanks to you. don's got a show 10:00 p.m. eastern, we'll be watching that. you can see all of anderson's exclusive interview later tonight with magic johnson, as well as more of his exclusive interview with donald sterling later tonight. "ac 360," 8:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. still ahead -- flight 370

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the bluefin 21 is about to return to the water after suffering serious damage during the hunt for flight 370. it's another blow to the search operation that's facing tough criticism. here's cnn's aviation correspondent rene marsh. >> reporter: bluefin-21 smashes

into the ocean shield, losing a day in the search. the under water vehicle's propeller torn, tail ripped off an electronics day damaged after the first day back in the search zone. struggling with wind and waves, the damage happening as crews hoisted it on deck for inspection. the day's mission aborted, no data collected. the bluefin has been repaired and resumes its search within hours. half a world away, the consensus is, never again. in a bid to prevent another malaysia flight 370, the aviation arm of the united nations says all jet liners should be tracked continuously, especially in the most remote parts of the world. by the end of the year, airlines with flights that go outside of radar coverage will voluntarily start global tracking. some have already started, but there's no time line for when binding standards and regulations mandating global flight tracking will go into

effect. >> we feel that it is a fairly important factor that will move as quickly as possible, because the flying public deserves to have even more safe conditions when they fly. >> reporter: the group's recommendations are advisory, but usually become law. the ongoing mystery of flight 370 is fuelling urgency to act now. the satellite tracking companies are jockeying for favor among airlines. inmarsat, the british company whose analysis led crews to the search zone says they'll track planes for free. competing companies like global star are making a pitch, too. >> you can continuously track one second at a time for continuously across any trip and know exactly where an airplane is. that is invaluable, and in the case of 370, it would have told us whether the plane turned, whether the plane continued straight, and when it stopped emitting altogether. >> reporter: still, no concrete

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an alarming new warning in the united states today, terrorists are swarming syria. the president of the syrian opposition telling cnn americans are directly threatened right now. he spoke to our chief national correspondent jim shu toe. jim? >> it was a two-hour meeting, the president joining that meeting for 30 minutes. i'm told it was frank and productive, but he told us he needs more help and more attention for the crisis and he's not getting enough of either. today's syria is a living hell. 150,000 dead. 9 million refugees. whole cities leveled. the president of syria's opposition told us that help from the u.s. has been too slow

and far too limited. >> are you frustrated, angry even, that it has not created a bigger response here in the u.s.? >> translator: of course we are angry. this is one of the biggest catastrophes in the world in this century. >> reporter: he told us delays in u.s. help have vastly expanded the threat from thousands of al qaeda-linked fighters swarming the country, fighters that u.s. officials say directly threaten the usz homeland. they call syria a jihadi disneyland. >> translator: terrorism has developed and spread during this year. this crisis will explode, and if it explodes, it will reach the farthest play places in the world. >> reporter: jarba has asked the u.s. for antiaircraft missiles to fight this, barrel bombs, brutal killers dropped from syrian war planes. the administration has refused.

>> translator: what i'm asking is, is it prohibitive for assad to kill the syrian people with chemical weapons, but it is allowed for them to kill with skuds, rockets, planes, and tanks? this is a strange logic. >> reporter: despite the catastrophe, the architect of the bloodshed is now running for re-election, two years after president obama said these words -- >> i am confident that assad's days are numbered. >> reporter: a vow u.s. officials still repeat. do you believe the obama administration underestimated assad, his strength, and, therefore, made a serious policy error? >> translator: if al assad had seen that the united states and the international community drew a red line, and if they held their promises like the threat the americans made at the end of last summer, then he would never have dared to nominate himself. this shows his disregard towards the international community.

>> reporter: jarba confirmed to me in a private meeting with his delegation secretary of state john kerry said the international community, quote, wasted a year, but looking forward he says he's looking forward to building a strategic relationship with washington. >> jim, thanks very much for that. that's it for me, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." let's step into the "crossfire" right now with newt gingrich and stephanie koetter. stephanie, welcome back. >> thank you. >> i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> i'm stephanie cutter on the left. >> we're going to have two u.s. senators in the "crossfire" tonight. i think you'll find it will be a great show. it's been great to have stephanie back, because i don't think things have changed all that much since she left. >> it's great to be back. let's get this debate started. tonight on "crossfire" --

the return of the clinton conspiracies. will karl rove's questions about hillary clinton's health backfire? on the left, stephanie cutter, on the right, newt gingrich. in the "crossfire," senator tim kaine, a virginia democrat, and senator lindsey graham, a south carolina republican. legitimate questions or the politics of personal destruction tonight on "crossfire." >> okay, so, where are we at? >> it's great to be back. it's hard to believe i've been gone since january. i didn't expect much to change in the last three and a half months, but i certainly didn't expect things to get worse. i woke up to a brand new absolutely ridiculous theory about hillary clinton peddled by none other than karl rove. >> i'm not suggesting hillary clinton may suffer from brain damage, where'd that come from? >> no, no, no, wait a minute.

no, i didn't say she had brain damage. she had a serious health episode. this will be an issue in the 2016 race, whether she likes it or not. >> this is just a bunch of crap. let's be clear, what karl rove is doing here, he's raising questions about secretary clinton's health in order to create rumors and speculation about her readiness to become president. let me be clear, she's ready. you're clearly concerned about republican prospects in 2016 if you're floating this piece of garbage now. karl rove, the man who wasted $300 million in the last presidential campaign on a failed strategy, the man who predicted mitt romney would win in a landslide. the man who had a famous meltdown on fox news when his prediction was proven wrong. the republican party doesn't need advice from me, or maybe it does, but here's a hint, ignore karl rove. >> let me -- we're going to debate a lot about hillary clinton tonight and a lot in the future. a lot of policy disagreements

that you're going to see stephanie and me go at it, but i do believe karl rove is totally wrong. i think he represents the worst instincts in the republican party. think about it for a minute, if senator clinton, secretary clinton, first lady clinton, if she's out campaigning in 2016, there's not going to be any health issue, just as there wasn't a health issue with dwight eisenhower or ronald reagan. this is an absurdity and it typifies the republican consulting class, which wants to be negative, narrow, personal, avoid ideas, and not have to wrestle with the big issues. well, on this show, we're going to focus on wrestling about big issues where we disagree deeply, but there's serious real issues, not petty personal attacks, and i think karl rove owes secretary clinton an apology to bring up that kind of thing and suggest that kind of thing is what keeps a lot of decent people from

getting in public life, because it ain't worth the pain of that kind of attack. >> so we agree? >> shocks me. >> that changed. >> in two minutes we'll disagree on policy. >> it's fair to question our sanity to being in the united states senate. >> on "crossfire" tonight, democratic senator tim kaine of virginia and republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina. so, do i get the first two questions? >> first time back. >> thank you very agreeing again. >> senator graham -- >> no brain damage. >> that's right. >> well, i wanted to talk to you about karl rove. anything wrong there? >> well, i just think what karl was trying to say is she's going to have to prove whatever episode she's had is not lingering. she's proven it. i think he's been engaged, wrong on foreign policy and health care, and if i were her, i'd rather be talking about injuries than the world blowing up, but no, there's no logic to this

idea. >> do you think he should apologize to hillary clinton? >> i don't think he meant to say she was brain damaged. i think he meant she'd have to go through a medical vetting process. >> senator, shift out of the personality stuff to a much bigger political question, which i'm fascinated by. in 2008, then-senator clinton followed a strategy of being the washington insider gathering up the establishment, making sure everybody was for her, then she lost the nomination. she's going through the same cycle this time. isn't it actually -- and i think you endorsed her as of last week. >> i encouraged her. >> isn't it, in fact, setting up the exact same cycle where she can't possibly run as a grassroots candidate and she's going to clearly be the washington insider candidate? >> look, that's a good question. i do think trying to run is the inevitable victor was a problem in '08 and i don't think you do that in 2016. you do take advantage of your experience. i mean, first lady involved in

so many things, like the formation of the chip program as a senator, veterans issues, minimum wage, so she's got good experience, but i don't think she should run as the inevitable candidate. >> doesn't it sort of cut out joe biden to have all of his many friends say basically, please don't run, joe, we've already got the coronation set up? >> it ain't a coronation. here's why it's not a coronation. if it were easy for a woman to be elected president, there would have been one, more than 18% of women in congress, more than 5% ceos for a woman. she could come in, i don't care what the poll numbers are, anybody supporting secretary clinton trying to do something never been done ought to go in with eyes open, this is going to beer hard. the campaign does have to say i'm known in a household way more than other candidates might be, but you have to assume this is an uphill battle. any presidential campaign is tough, this one is going to be

very tough. >> i want to talk about what's happening on the republican side of the aisle, senator graham, in 2016, and i'm guessing, you know, i understand what you're saying about karl rove and i think you're being too kind there. >> that's a flaw i have. >> that's what i hear. >> on mondays, wednesdays, and fridays. tuesdays and thursdays, don't get on his bad side. >> i think karl rove would rather keep a spotlight on hillary clinton than talk about the civil war going on in your own party, and we saw that a bit this week, marco rubio, one of your rising stars, last week, one of your rising stars, who clearly wants to be president says scientists are overreacting climate change and that stands in stark contrast of where you've been on climate change. in 2009 you co-authored an op ed that says climate change is real and threatens our economy and national security. is marco rubio wrong? >> i think our democratic friends have made climate change

impossible to embrace. carbon emissions, i think, do contribute to heating up the planet, how much, i don't know, but cap and trade is not the solution. turning the economy upsidedown to fix the problem is not the solution, so marco has his own views about is there a dynamic called global warming, is manmade emissions contributing. >> so he's wrong? >> i think manmade emissions are contributing to global warming to some extent. can america solve this problem by ourselves, do we need cap and trade to fix it, the man is absolutely no. i'm an all of the above guy when it comes to energy. >> let me ask you, senator, staying at this issue level, where i think we can legitimately vet secretary clinton's record, in 2010 she says, the keystone pipeline, essentially she says it's a good idea and i am, in fact, in favor of it and i think we're going to approve it. this is 2010. now, it's in your department. she leaves after four years of opportunity with nothing done.

it is still sitting in her department. two-thirds of the american people favor it. isn't it legitimate for the american people to say, if secretary clinton couldn't get the keystone pipeline out in four years, why would we think that she could manage the federal government? >> she'll have to answer that question, sure. here's my sense of it. most of us see this ultimately as a presidential decision. sure, it was in the state department, but this is a state department that on this issue and others are going to be looking to, you know, carry out the will of the president that made the appointment. i'm in a different position than secretary clinton was in 2010 on keystone. i don't think it's a good idea, not because of the pipeline. pipelines are fine, tar sands oil is a bad deal, i think. but she'll talk about her record with the state department. some of the things that i mentioned earlier. >> before we take a break, i want to point out, the new clinton defense line will be, if it worked, she did it, if it didn't work, the president

stopped her. there are serious questions about her policies and performance, next, i'll tell you what republicans should ask about. but first, today's "crossfire" quiz, how many countries did hillary clinton visit as secretary of state? is it 51, 89, or 112? we'll have the answer when we get back.

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welcome back. now, the answer to our "crossfire" quiz. while she was secretary of state, hillary clinton visited

112 countries, including nigeria, twice. you know, in the last three weeks, virtually every american has learned about a radical islamist group boko haram, captured several hundred teenaged girls in nigeria, forcibly converting some to islam. clinton was secretary of state for four agencies, justice department, cia, fbi, and asked boko haram be designated a terrorist organization. secretary clinton is going to have to explain why she rejected all of those requests, just like benghazi, it isn't going away. in the "crossfire" tonight, senators tim kaine and lindsey graham. tim, let me take that question straight to you, doesn't she have to get down from being the celebrity and giving the big speeches and be willing to say, here's why i made the decision, here's why i defend it? >> absolutely. there was one fact in the

recitation you left out, she did designate a lot of the leaders of boko haram as terrorists, and the decision that you make about whether you designate individuals as terrorists or groups as terrorists, there's a lot of calculations, one, am i enabling them to recruit, so she did designate some of these leaders, but sure she'll have to answer these questions. she'll have to, but i think she's going to have solid answers. >> senator graham, i'm guessing you have a couple of points to make here, but before i ask you the question about what you think about this, this is what john campbell, president george w. bush's ambassador said about this past weekend. i don't think the criticism of secretary clinton is fair, along with a good many other nigerian experts, at the time we all opposed designation. as it turned out, senator kerry did make that designation, designating them as a terrorist organization last fall. the almost 300 girls were still

kidnapped, so why are we debating whether hillary clinton did or didn't designate them as a terrorist organization? why aren't we talking about what's happening right now and finding solutions for these 300 girls? i mean, newt said it best, this is like benghazi, it's not going away. this is a political attack on hillary clinton. this is not about looking at what our policy changes need to be to ensure that we're addressing what's happening over there. >> well, let's take that on directly. if she does run for president, she's going to be talking about all the good things she's done in her life and there's a lot of to talk about, but did she miss threats in benghazi? obviously, she did. there were reams of information coming out of libya. we need more security. she says she didn't know about the level of security in benghazi. was this a failure of foreign policy rather than an internet video? i think it was a broader failure of foreign policy. did she miss it, did president obama miss the -- >> quick question about embassy security, you know, look at the

budget. >> boko haram, did she miss the threat? >> look at the budgets coming out of the senate. diplomatic >> there was no lack of funding that created a problem in benghazi. and the state department called me before the benghazi attack to release $3 million from the account for security. that's not because we were attacked, lack of funding. >> let me ask about the committee. >> sure. >> you had today, the both the former and head of the central intelligence agency and secretary of defense panetta both say this is a legitimate committee, that the select committee, in fact the democrats should participate. if you were advising the house democrats, would you advise them to participate? >> if it was even representation and both sides had the same ability to interview witnesses, both their staffs and members, i would participate. they set up this not as even representation in denying democrats the same access to witnesses. i'm saying a select committee is different than a normal committee. and look, on benghazi, it's not

going away. but here is the issue. if we're going to focus on it, let's focus on fixing it. what i don't like to see is so much of the discussion appears about the blame game or the talking points. it ought to be about the accountability review board recommendations. secretary clinton impanelled it right way. >> you disagree with panetta? >> you could make that hearing and that committee more fair. but the real thing is there has already been a set of accountability review board recommendation, embassy security, enhancing the marine security. >> should they boycott? >> if it's not set up as a fair hearing with equal representation to witnesses. >> may i suggesting something or are we out of time? >> if the administration steered the story away from a al qaeda affiliated terrorist attack into a video internet protest story that never existed six weeks before the election, that matters to me. i think that's what they did.

and everybody should be upset if any administration does that. and i think that's what they did. >> dozens of interviews, 25,000 pages of documents. >> not even close to getting the truth of it. not even close. >> we still have to provide more embassy security. i had a hearing today with two ambassadors, one to djibouti and one to jordan. we need to be focusing on security. that's more important than the blame game. >> stay here. we want you at home to weigh in on the fireback question. will karl rove speculating health care's health care backfire? we'll have results fire? and the outrages of the day. i'm outraged at some of the students at my alma mater.

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welcome back. it's time for our outrages of the day. i'm outraged that christine legarde, the head of the international monetary fund was pushed to pull out of commencement speech at smith college, my alma mater. agree with her or not. legarde is one of the most influential women on the world stage today. but some of the students didn't learn the lesson i learned at smith, to make a strong argument. and to make your argument stronger, you have to listen to both sides. college is about opening your mind, not closing it. i might not agree with some of the policies at the imf, and i don't. but i'm pretty sure there are some things i can learn from christine lagarde. unfortunately, it's a trend that is happening all over the place. every american has the right to protest and speak their mind. no doubt about that. but refuse to listen? that's outrageous. and it undermines the whole point of a liberal arts education.

>> i'm outraged about what happened earlier today in new york city. in a city that had 333 homicides last year, a police officer valiantly and courageously stopped alec baldwin for bicycling in the wrong direction. and because baldwin wasn't carrying identification while he bicycled, he was arrested. understandably distraught, baldwin later tweeted, quote, new york city is a mismanaged carnival of stupidity that is desperate for revenue and anxious to criminal eyes behavior once thought benign. now personally i think new york city is a wonderful place to visit. but remember, always make sure you bicycle in the right direction. [ laughter ] >> let's check on our fireback results. will karl rove speculating about heck's health backfire? 67% say yes. 33% so no. what do you guys think about the

results? >> i think you have some really liberal people watching this show. i'm not surprised in the least. >> being attacked by karl rove is a badge of pride. >> thanks. the debate continues online at cnn.com/crossfire as well as on facebook and twitter. from the right, i'm stephanie cutter. >> and from the right, i'm newt gingrich. i do actually voted that it hurts us, doesn't help us to do that sort of thing. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. ♪

next, brnds. more than 130 people dead, mission after a mine collapses. we'll take you there live. and christopher columbus's santa maria sank in 1492. tonight is the lost ship found? plus, l.a. clippers owner donald sterling says magic johnson should feel ashamed for sleeping around and having hiv. tonight magic responds. let's go "outfront." >> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin "outfront" tonight with major breaking news. a mine explosion in western turkey. officials in turkey telling cnn just moments ago that the count of the dead right now is up to 137. hundreds more are believed to be trapped inside more than a mile underground. an urgent search-and-rescue operation is under way at this hour. andrew finkel is