next, brnds. more than 130 people dead, mission after a mine collapses. we'll take you there live. and christopher columbus's santa maria sank in 1492. tonight is the lost ship found? plus, l.a. clippers owner donald sterling says magic johnson should feel ashamed for sleeping around and having hiv. tonight magic responds. let's go "outfront." >> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin "outfront" tonight with major breaking news. a mine explosion in western turkey. officials in turkey telling cnn just moments ago that the count of the dead right now is up to 137. hundreds more are believed to be trapped inside more than a mile underground. an urgent search-and-rescue operation is under way at this hour. andrew finkel is out front in

istanbul tonight. and andrew, what is the latest right now on the rescue operation? obviously it is the dead of night. >> it's the dead of night. the operation is going on. the searchlights, there are huge crowds assembled at the mouth of the mine. outside hospitals waiting for news of whether we believe some 200 mine workers will be rescued over the course of the night. >> and let me ask you, andrew, we're just hearing the turkish energy minister telling reuters at this hour some truly shocking information for our viewers. they're now saying there are over 700 people inside that mine. that's hundreds more than we had thought, andrew. but again, the turkish energy minister telling reuters 700 people are trapped. turkish officials giving you any sense whether there will be survivors? the count of the dead today, when it rose, it rose incredibly rapidly from 5 to 17 to 70, very quickly. >> well, that's right. and now we're hearing from the

minister himself that the death toll, be the known death toll be actually 151 people. and of course rather than being alarmist and speculating on who might die, there is certainly the concern that the death toll could prove much, much higher, and that this could be turkey's worst ever mining disaster. >> i don't know the numbers off the top of my head. but i would imagine if those numbers continue to surge exponentially, it could be one of the worst in the world. andrew, thank you very much. the deadly explosion of what we know so far is obviously incredibly horrific when we're getting these latest numbers from the turkish energy ministry. joining me on the phone is greg hall. he is the president of driller supplies. greg, obviously you were on the scene back in chile back in 2010 when the 33 miners were trapped there. you just heard the latest information we have coming in from the turkish energy minister telling reuters 700 people are in that mine.

you also heard the numbers of the dead surging through the day today. do you think they're going to be able to find and save a lot of people? >> well, erin, one of the things is never give up hope there. but the fact that it is a coal mine and there is a fire involved are two very alarming things because in the coal mine, you have the coal dust, which is combustible and very flammable. and you also have methane gas. so one of the important things to do is try to get fresh oxygen and air to the miners. be you run the risk of putting oxygen where there is flames which will cause further flare-ups. so the rescue workers are really faced with a tremendously hard job right now. >> and in terms of what you saw in chile and what you're hearing about here, given that this is a coal mine, is this even more dangerous? >> it really is. in chile, obviously, the miners we discovered them about a half mile down through solid granite.

and that was a psychological feat that has never been done before. but a copper mine, gold mine, we didn't have the problems that you have with the coal mine with sparking, with fire, with carbon dioxide, with carbon monoxide. once we were able to actually locate the miners, we could get fresh oxygen down to them and begin to do the drilling so we could sustain them very well for a long time. in the coal mines, you've got all those gases. you the poison gases. you the flames that you're trying to drill or dig down to them you have to make sure that you're not making any sparks whatsoever which could cause more fire which makes everything slower and slower. >> greg, apologies, i mean i'm not obviously any kind of an expert on this. but air pockets may be the wrong word to use. but could there be large groups of miners in certain areas right now that are alive in some sort of a quote/unquote air pocket? >> that would be our hope and our prayer, exactly. if they're some place where they have -- because i know those

tunnels are very, very long. there are miles of long tunnels. so they could be in a place that is free of any kind of carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide. but that will be building up over time, where they have some oxygen to them. and they could very well and hopefully are still alive. they just need to be gotten to obviously as soon as possible. >> thank you very much, greg. we appreciate your time. we're going to continue to cover this breaking news story through the hour as we get more and more details. but, again, the latest headline coming from the turkish energy minister to reuters saying 700 people are still trapped in this mine right now, according to the mayor of the town, over 150 are confirmed dead. and now to our other top story tonight. breaking news on shocking new video of a deadly terror attack. armed boko haram militants setting fire to a village, slaughter mortgage than 300 people. some of them they burn aid live. today more than one month after they attacked a school, kidnapping more than 200 girls,

today was the first day nigerian military officials actually visited the school. days after they took pictures of the school, beds destroyed, windows shattered. nema, you visited the school before the nigerian military. that's extraordinary. >> it is. we also interviewed one of the girls who managed to escape the kidnappers. you would imagine would have information that would be very valuable to the nigerian military before they did. it was just heartbreaking. i think that is the best word to use. it's heartbreaking to see the neglect that these families were feeling and the desperation that the mothers and fathers shared with us. but this is a community that has decided it's going to fend for itself. and if the government can't help it, it's not going sit around and wait. a lot of the fathers organizing nightly patrols. they're using what they can get their hands on, machetes, bowes and arrow, old guns, anything, which i imagine probably won't

be particularly useful against a highly armed force against boko haram. but they don't care. they're willing to take the risks because they say what they're not willing to risk is the boko haram come in and steal more of their children without their putting up a fight, erin. >> remember, that video is amazing that you were able to film of them with the makeshift bows and arrows. the video the world is watching of course is of the girls, or at least what appears the abducted girls chanting praise be to allah in a more traditional muslim garb. what have you learned about this video and how the girls are being treated? >> well, the governor of borno state in the north of nigeria, he has said that they have identified 77 girls from that video. that doesn't tally exactly with what we have been hearing from the parents who are concerned that many of the gathered families don't actually recognize the girls in that video. there are maybe two or three families there could be more at this point.

but so far there seems to be a bit of a disparity between what we're hearing from the government, what we're hearing from the families and given information in the past from the government hasn't turned out to be entirely accurate. this is something that is giving people a lot of pause after they had felt a lot of hope when the video was first circulated. in terms of how they're treated, we really don't know. you can see in that video for yourself that some of those girls looked very, very frightened. it's unimaginable to be that age, 14, 15, 16 so far away from home. one of the things that i noticed immediately was when you look at this video, erin, they're not hidden away. they're not somewhere underground. they're out in the open, incredibly brazenly. erin? >> thank you very much. a former fbi supervisory special agent who investigated and supervised many high profile terror cases including the east africa embassy bombings, the attack on the uss cole and the events surrounding 9/11 there have been calls, as you know for

the united states special forces to rescue the girls because there has been such an international outcry. congressman peter king told me look, i don't want to say this, i feel, but i would support the president if he chose to put special forces in. could the united states put boots on the ground, special forces without risking american lives? >> absolutely not. and i think we have to understand that what we're seeing today, the tragic events we're seeing today in northern nigeria has boko haram is only a symptom of a deeper problem. and this problem is not only a nigerian problem, but it's also a regional problem. i mean, if you look at the area of northern nigeria, which is more than 1/3 of the country, they have -- they rank number one when it comes to school -- children not going to school. half of the children below the age of 5 have chronic malnutrition. 75% of the houses have no electricity. so before we go there, before we put boots on the ground, we need to figure out when and how we're going get these troops out. this is a nigerian issue.

this is a regional issue. we should support them. we should help them in developing a strategy to defeat boko haram. >> but no boots on to the ground? >> but i think we have to be very careful in a kwaquagmire. >> how can the united states guarantee boko haram won't become a major terror organization that won't attack america if they don't do something right now. it took decades for osama bin laden to gain the power and ability to pull off 9/11. >> boko haram into a major terrorist organization. boko haram so far killed more than 10,000 nigerians. they average about a thousand a year. this year alone, they killed more than 1500. and with the numbers you mentioned are correct, killing 300, that makes this year alone 1800 people that they killed. so nigeria and the region has been dealing with boko haram for a long period of time. and i think what need to be done today is two things. first, we need to assist the nigerians to rescue these poor girls. that's number one.

number two, we need to help the nigerians in developing a strategy, multidimensional strategy to defeat boko haram but to defeat the incubating factors that allow the terrorist groups like boko haram and different groups over there, some of them are affiliated with al qaeda to be defeated once and for all. >> ali soufan, thank you very much. >> thank you. "outfront" next, karl rove accused of saying hillary clinton suffered a traumatic brain injury. clinton denies it. but is the damage done? and chinese officials brag about building a train from beijing to the united states. we're going to show you how it's possible. and we continue to monitor breaking news in turkey there are at least 150 dead after a mine collapses, possibly nearly one thousand trapped inside that mine. when folks think about what they get from alaska,

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tonight karl rove slamming hillary clinton, raising major questions about the health of the possible twend 16 democratic presidential candidate. the headline in "the new york post" screaming karl rove says hillary may have brain damage. a former bush adviser reportedly took about a fall clinton took in december 2012. that's after she suffered from a blood clot. according to "the new york post," rove then said, and i quote, 30 days in the hospital? and when she reappears, she is

wearing glasses only for people who have traumatic brain injury? we need to know what is up with that. of course, clinton was admitted for a three-day stay, not 30 days. but has rove done the damage he was intending to do? david brock was "outfront" tonight. he funded the pro superpac american bridge. good to have you with us. >> thank you. >> i would imagine this is a situation where you would just come out and use the l word for karl rove, right? liar? >> sure. i think the things you just showed in the intro, there were three lies told there. and you know, it's part of a pattern of karl rove. this is textbook karl rove. he has used sleazy personal attacks in the past for political reasons. i think what was going on here this was a premeditated effort to put a target on hillary clinton's back and n the lead-up to the reopening of these benghazi hearings. and i also think rove was trying to goad the media into raising this issue. now usually when he goes and does these sleazy things, he uses surrogates. what is interesting here, he got caught. i think he made a big mistake.

and it's not going work there is a big backlash against this. it will have the inverse effect. >> we're going to talk than in main. let me play when he came on fox news to try to explain his comments. here is how he did that. >> she had a serious episode, a serious health episode. this was a serious deal. she basically is out of action -- she is in and out of the office starting on the 7th of december after she returns. she returns on a friday from the czech republic. but then it begins over a month-long period where she's got a serious illness, ending up putting her in the hospital. we don't know what the doctor said about what does she have to be concerned about. we don't know. she has hidden a lot. >> david, what is interesting is, you know, there have been, you know, questions and people talking about that time and whether she was ill or not at this time. should she just release more information and say look, you want me to put it to bed? i'm going to put it to bed. here is the medical records. >> you know, at the time, the conservatives can't quite get their lies straight.

because the time they were saying this whole incident was faked so she didn't have to testify in the benghazi hearings. >> that's true. >> so i don't know what rove is talking about when he says that things were hidden. first of all, there was a full accounting at the time. the doctor said there was full recovery. they said there was in neurological damage. this is just i think a part of a desperate effort on the part of the republicans who know that hillary clinton if she decided to run would be incredibly formidable as a candidate. and their party will be decided. and they just don't know what to do with her. they have no health care plan, no job plan. >> i just want to jump in here. you raise an interesting point. you know, she is going to be -- she is 66 now. she'll be 69 on election day. >> sure. >> ronald reagan, bob dole, john mccain, all of them dealt with that issue. but they all dealt with a lot of age questions in their elections. her health is going to be a legitimate topic, isn't it? >> well, look, i mean, first of all, we're not there yet. we're far away from the campaign. we're far away from a candidacy

and we don't know what the answer to that will be. >> right. >> and certainly all candidates have had to deal with these issues. but as of right now, no. i think it's an issue in republican gossip mills. and i think that hillary clinton is in excellent health. she is going about her paces. she has done more than 40 public events this year. she is about to embark on a major book tour. i wish i had her stamina. >> good point. david, thank you very much. and joining me now is cnn political analyst maggie haberman. here is the thing about this. this was out there, as he said, in the gossip mill. people wondering. was there something wrong, did something happen. karl rove coming out and saying something that had plenty of factual errors in it, i mean, just point-blank wrong. >> yes. >> does that just backfire and make him and the gop look bad? >> this seems like he handed hillary clinton a fantastic gift today and democrats a gift today. if the goal was to get a lot of discussion about this, that succeeded. but when you do it without basis in fact, that becomes all about you and not about what actually

happened. i think david's point also that she is not yet a candidate is very true. remember, this did come up with john mccain, his health. he didn't release health records until he was actually a candidate. no one is going to expect her to do the same either. any presidential candidate's health is a legitimate line of injury. but talking about whether they had brain damage is not. and aulg all it's going do is energize the democratic base. if that was his goal, mission accomplished. >> i want to play what jay carney said at the white house. i'm curious about your take as to how this is all being handled. here is jay carney. >> here is what i would say about cognitive capacity. which is that dr. rove might have been the last person in america on election night to recognize and acknowledge that the president had won reelection, including the state of ohio. so we'll leave it at that. >> all right. snide, funny, give him full props for that but should the white house just take the high road and don't even deign to talk about something like that. >> once the clintons had decide they'd were going address this, and they did last night. in the initial page 6 report of

"the new york post," there was a quip. dr. rove can be assured she is pretty fun that went pretty quickly once the story got picked up on by twitter big, everyone that went to these are lies. karl rove has been a liar and this is another perpetuation of that they were clearly angry. >> salt in the wound. >> the clintons were clearly angry. and the full statement from nick merrill today went even further on that. >> yes. >> and they're not being subtle that they have decided there is no percentage in sort of letting rumors run wild. they are make clear this is not the case. now look, this is 2340 going to answer the question. people are still going to want to see her medical records. these are still legitimate questions about a candidate's health overall. but the problem is again saying that somebody has brain damage without having proof, and saying the point i think about the hospital stay is really problematic because that one is demonstrably false, it creates questions:00 everything else he said. >> thank you very much, maggie. >> thank you. "outfront" next, one of christopher columbus' legendary ships lost more than 500 years may have been found.

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incredible things about this. as we're looking for planes, miles, beneath the surface, it was only 15 feet below the water's surface, and it had gone undetected for nearly 500 years. miguel marquez has details. >> reporter: it may not look like much, a pile of rocks. but this could be the historical find of a lifetime. several lifetimes. how sure are you that this is the santa maria? >> i'm extremely confident that we've -- that we've discovered the wreck site. >> reporter: shipwreck explorer barry clifford believes this is the wrecked ship, the santa maria of that other explorer christopher columbus. the size and shape of those rocks called a ballast pile fit the size and weight of the santa maria. but there was one piece of evidence that led him to his eureka moment. >> it was a smoking gun as well. this -- columbus described in his diary over and over lombards. and lombard is a 15th century

weapon, a cannon that columbus used on board the santa maria. >> reporter: so literally a smoking gun? >> literally a smoking gun. >> reporter: the lombard he believes is that long tube-like thing there marking the spot where christopher columbus woke up on christmas day 1492 and realized his flagship was sinking. clifford relied heavily on this, columbus' diary now marked up and poured over to also help lead him to the wreck. is this the page that led you to the discovery or to believe that this is the discovery? >> it's one of the pages. about a league and a half from said shoal when he learned of it. >> reporter: a league and a half? about 4.7 miles offshore of cap-hatien in only about 10 feet of water. why do i feel like i'm talking to indiana jones? >> i don't know. but i love that movie. >> i think there is a great lesson here for kids. not just about the discovery of the ship, but how you can take

history and use clues to go back and solve riddles. >> reporter: if this nautical indiana jones has found the santa maria, barry clifford's name will also go into the history books. how big would this be for you personally? >> oh, this is hitting it over the fence at yankee stadium with the bases loaded. >> i mean, at the least. this is just incredible. we were talking, this is something i've dreamed about as a kid. so what about sunken treasure? could this be full of all the famous gold they were taking? >> it is possible. they didn't find a lot of gold here, and they also had time to off-load whatever was on that ship while it was sinking. so it's likely there wouldn't be gold. but there might be trinkets that they were trading with the native there's that they would find. they have to get under the rocks and around the ship and find out what else is there to verify that this is the santa mariaia. it could take months. >> it's incredible. >> very cool story.

>> the ship christopher columbus was on. wow. miguel, thank you very much. still to come, donald sterling attacks magic johnson for sleeping around and not doing enough for the african american community. tonight magic johnson responds on cnn. and we are following the major breaking news story tonight with more than 150 dead and hundreds, up to 700 trapped in a mine tonight. we're going go there live right after this. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ hooking up the country helping business run ♪ ♪ trains! they haul everything, safely and on time. ♪ tracks! they connect the factories built along the lines. and that means jobs, lots of people, making lots and lots of things. let's get your business rolling now, everybody sing. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ helping this big country move ahead as one ♪ ♪ norfolk southern how's that function? ♪ is all ready the brand ofstate the year.d

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see how fast your internet can be. switch now and add voice and tv for $34.90. comcast business built for business. back now with our breaking news. a deadly massive mine explosion in western turkey. officials say at least 151 people are dead. the numbers, though are, still very uncertain because 787 were at work at the mine at the time. hundreds are still trapped more than a mile underground, and an urgent search-and-rescue operation is under way. they're desperately trying pump oxygen into the mine shaft. but given this is a coal mine, any ignition could cause further explosions and more death andrew finkel is outfront. he is in istanbul tonight. andrew, this is a desperate and urgent situation. 787 people they say could have been at work at the time. we don't know how many are in the mine right now who are missing.

what is the latest that you know? >> well, we have had the figures so far is that 151 people we know have lost their life in this disaster. there are hundreds, as you say, more trapped underneath. the search-and-rescue operation is still going on. in very, very difficult conditions. there is a fire underground. they're as you say pumping oxygen to keep these people alive. and the rescue operation will clearly go on throughout the night. and we supposedly will have to wait for the dust to settle to see how terrible this tragedy will be. >> and it's already going to be among some of the worst worst in the world with the death toll of 151, which of course unfortunately go co. go significantly higher. what are they saying about the conditions of the miners who are still trapped? earlier an expert had been telling me that the prayer is that they are in air pockets. but you can't really pump a lot of oxygen in without risking

additional massive explosions. >> this is a very, very deep mine with several kilometers deep. the explosion occurred maybe four or 500 meters deep inside. it may well be that there are places where these miners can get to away from the fire. it doesn't seem to have been a methane explosion which is the worst thing that could happen. it seems to have been an electrical fault which started this whole thing. so it is possible that these people are able to get to safety. of course, we'll have to wait in the morning to see exactly what happens. >> andrew finkel, thank you very much, report living from istanbul. joining me on the phone is a photojournalist with afp. he took the photos that you've been looking at, and the ones you see here, these moments of anguish. you see some of the survivors right after they were rescued. you were there. i mean, what sort of condition were they in?

>> i just drive from the coast of izmir to mine site. i just arrive at the mine. and people are shouting. people were -- like crazy. and they're searching their friends. a lot of injured people i saw coming out from the mine. and i saw a lot of died people coming out from mine. and now i am viewing and this is so, so sad that some of them waiting for their children, some of them waiting their sisters, brothers, husband. and it's so sad here. nobody sleeps here. and tomorrow morning, all is wake up and it's so sad here. >> bulent, thank you very much.

those incredibly moving pictures as he watched the survivors and some of the dead coming out of the mine. well, our breaking news continues. the nba just wrapping up a meeting about whether to force donald sterling to sell the los angeles clippers. so far they did not make a decision, but the owners talked about sterling's exclusive interview with anderson. and tonight magic johnson, who was repeatedly slammed by sterling responds. he just talked to magic johnson. but first jason carroll is "outfront" with more on what obviously has become massive bad blood between the two men. >> to say donald sterling has a problem with magic johnson would be a gross understatement. >> i just don't think he is a good example for the children of los angeles. that he would go and do what he did, and then get aids. i mean, come on. maybe he doesn't think i could

be a good owner. >> reporter: those are some of sterling's most recent comments. but what started it all were racist statements heard during a recorded argument sterling had with v. stiviano after she posted a picture of magic johnson on his instagram. >> bringing him here, feeding him, i don't care. you can do anything. but don't put him on instagram for the world to have to see so they can call me. and don't bring him to my games, okay? >> reporter: the nba banned sterling, and that was enough for johnson. >> cookie and i said that we would never go back to a clipper game as long as he owned a team. but now that he is banned, i'll go back. >> reporter: sterling telling cnn's anderson cooper he apologized to johnson, but that didn't stop him from criticizing him again. >> if i said anything wrong, i'm sorry. he is a good person, and -- what am i going to say? has he done everything he can do to help minorities?

i don't think so. >> reporter: for the record, johnson, who is now worth an estimated $500 million has invested in urban areas such as here in harlem and in los angeles by opening businesses and movie theaters during a time when others would not. he also founded the magic johnson foundation to promote hiv/aids awareness. it has raised $20 million in charity. it's really hard to understand what is going through donald sterling's mind, and why magic johnson keeps entering into the conversation, why he seems to be kind of fixated on magic johnson. >> reporter: the nba's commissioner released a statement apologizing on behalf of the nba, saying it continues to move forward with removing sterling as quickly as possible. jason carroll, cnn, new york. >> and now anderson's "outfront." anderson, i know you spoke to magic johnson. jason just endled his piece there talking about this effort to force donald sterling to sell the clippers. and i know you had a chance to talk to magic than. here is what he told you.

>> he is man who is upset, and he is reaching. he is reaching. he is trying to find something that he can grab on to help him save his team. and it's not going to happen. it's not going to happen. the board of governors now have to do their job. adam silver, our commissioner of the nba did a wonderful job. of banning him for life. now the board of governors got to do their job. and, again, i'm going to pray for the man, because even if i see him today, i'm going to say hello to donald and his wife as well. i'm not a guy who hold grudges and all that. yes, am i upset? of course. but at the same time, i'm a god fearing man. i'm going pray for him and hope things work out for him. >> that was an incredible moment. i believe sterling and magic, have they spoken? and if so what did magic johnson say happened in that conversation? >> well, that's what is really interesting, because donald sterling in the interview we played last night insists that he doesn't have magic johnson's

number, that magic johnson called him after that tape broke and told donald sterling to lay low, not say anything publicly. and donald sterling is claiming that was an effort, an effort by magic johnson to trick donald sterling to try to get his team. magic johnson says categorically that did not happen. in fact, donald sterling called magic johnson's office wanting magic to appear on a television program sitting next to donald sterling. we go into a lot more detail about why donald sterling thought magic johnson would want to sit next to him on a tv program being interviewed basically providing him with cover. that will be at the top of the hour in just about 20 minutes. but he goes into great detail about, you know, the few times that he has met donald sterling and donald sterling also alleges that magic johnson knows v. stiviano, knows her well. magic johnson puts that idea to rest as well. >> wow. i really am -- i know everyone is eager to hear what magic

johnson says happened in that conversation. but what about the state of mind of donald sterling? magic johnson had a conversation with him and he knows him and had a chance to evaluate him. and sterling's wife again, as you know, anderson, said today her husband is suffering from dementia. what did magic say? >> i talked to magic than, about whether -- obviously magic has not heard donald sterling make these kind of comments about magic johnson, about him. but that guy who is speaking, that the guy you know? is that the guy you have known over the years? and, again, magic knows donald sterling, but has only probably hung out with him three or four times over 20 or so years from the first time he came to l.a. so they don't have a long history. but, you know, magic certainly gives his impression that donald sterling knew what he was being asked in that interview that i had with him. he knew what he was saying. and he was present in that interview. he was certainly able to answer questions. >> so did donald sterling

apologize to magic johnson ever? >> no. no. >> no. >> donald sterling has not called magic johnson and apologized personally to him at all. in that interview, i mean, he came as close as he said to magic johnson, well, you know, if i said anything wrong, i'm sorry, saying if you said something wrong, that's kind of a qualified thing. but he has not reached out to magic johnson at all. >> wow. all right. anderson, thank you very much. and as anderson said, that interview, the full interview with magic is at the top of the hour on "ac360." you don't want to miss that, obviously. "outfront" next, an underwater express train from beijing to the united states. no joke. this could be real. we'll show you exactly how and when. and was beyonce's sister attacking jay-z? jeanne moos is on the case tonight. when folks think about what they get from alaska,

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it's an engineering feat that could make the great wall look small. a high-speed train from china to the united states. so according to a report in the beijing times, chinese officials are considering building this high speed rail line. it would start in northern china, go up through russia and connect through canada into the united states. the proposed line would be more than 8,000 miles long that would

be going from new york to los angeles nearly three times. it would also include an underwater tunnel stretching 125 miles. that's four times longer than the tunnel connecting england and france. david mackenzie in beijing begins our coverage of the story. when i first heard this, i said this is just absurd. but is this a real proposal or a publicity stunt? you know, considering this was in state media and picked up a great deal here by official media and internationally, you know they're putting this out as a provocative statement, saying we can do this here in china, take a train all the way to anchorage on the other side of the earth. it speaks to what they want to say about their technical p prowess, but politically, you can't get a train into the u.s. from russia, that is a

non-starter. but at the very least they're saying look at this kind of thing that we can achieve. >> and they can achieve. high speed trains in china are sort of embarrassing from the united states's perspective. right? i mean, they have speed trains that we don't. >> reporter: well, they say they are the rail leader. and some of the facts really stand that up. take a look at this, erin, the famous passenger train from in beijing, can clock at 200 miles per hour. in the u.s., at maximum, around 150 miles an hour. that is a lot slower. and you look at just how much they built up this network. the chinese premier said from march, they put up 8,000 miles of high speed rail pushing them to the top of the world's sta

standi standings, and looking at it this way it could take me less than five hours and cost as little as $100. the same roughly between new york city and atlanta. that would take 18 hours and cost a lot more. so you know, while on the rail network side, china is leaping ahead, on the trade world networks, the u.s. is ahead. but they say they can do it technical and built up the infrastructure here to do it in china. >> all right, david, thank you so much. now we bring in tom foreman, who looked at how the high speed rail line could actually be completed. is it possible? >> let's look at the building site first, because this is way, way up there right on the edge of the arctic circle. the bering strait separates north america from russia. the nearest point is about 53

miles wide. how deep is the water, deep compared to where you paddle your kayak. so who would have to be involved in this project? well, politically and economically, probably the u.s. and china, the chunnel, is what they would pattern this after in all likelihood. let's look at how this was constructed. in the u.k. and france, even at the narrowest point, twice as long as this, the water is shallow. they would have to start to bore through and this is what they would aim through. three tunnels, one with trains going in one direction, the other in the other direction. and in the middle they built an access tunnel for emergencies and services and all sorts of ways to get back and forth. it is a big, big project. they have to push here in the water and they have to put in shielding as they go. just a step at a time claiming

this area with a big metal tube in a sense to build all of this. it is a big, big, job, no question, erin. >> it is incredible, at least from an engineering standpoint, which might have given a lot of people pause. it is possible. but then here is the question, tom, how much would it cost and how long would it take? >> yeah, well, it is possible. although i would like to point out you know where you are in each of this tunnel? you are in the middle of nowhere. if you look at just the cost of this thing if you based it roughly on the chunnel, maybe $35 billion if everything goes well. that is not unbelievable, not crushing. but you may also talk about 20 years to complete, maybe, but boy, big, biggest here, erin. you know why? because the idea for the chunnel came up a good while before anybody actually started digging as in it was first seriously proposed by no napolean.

>> i don't think i have given him enough credit. >> so our great, great, great grandchildren may have been able to report on the tunnel. >> people in the bering strait reporting on it. we can do it again. "outfront" next, why did beyonce's sister attack jay-z? this is one for jeanne moos and she is next. the coast of california. the new ram 1500 ecodiesel. with 9,200 pounds of towing and 28 highway miles per gallon. west will never end. guts. glory. ram. west will never end.

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a video that seems to show rapper jay-z being kicked and slapped by beyonce's exteriosis what could have caused the attack in for the answer, we turn to our own jeanne moos. >> reporter: it started as such a nice night, beyonce and jay-z arriving at the gala, beyonce dropped her ring. her husband put it back on her finger, but on the way out after an after-party, fingers gave way to fists. round one, beyonce's sister, solange starts to hit jay-z, beyonce pulls her off, solange tries to kick jay-z, he grabs her leg in defense, round three, a somewhat half-hearted assault,

round four with the door open, solange hauls off and hits jay-z with her bag, on-line commentator es had a field day with it. something jay-z said really pushed solange's buttons. but since there is no audio, hash tag, what she said to jay-z, encouraged guessing, this is better than any song you ever made, a reference to solange's singing career. solange attacks jay-z. >> solange heard jay-z say something to her sister that she didn't like. >> one on-line analyst even quoted dickens. years ago, solange seemed to be

putting distance between herself and jay-z. >> good morning, i have to say that was not a very professional introduction before. please don't tie me into family and my brother-in-law's establishment. >> reporter: someone put the elevator fight to jay-z's own song. >> you having girl problems ♪ ♪ >> reporter: jay-z's 100th problem is now what they're calling solange, jokesters are dressing up and re-creating the fight, making fun of everything from the handbag to the grab bag, one day you're grabbing your sister-in-law's leg in self defense, then you're are caught on film touching your wife's leg. ground four, lady's bags, jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> i can't decide what i love

more, the look on beyonce's face when the elevator opens, or the look on jay-z's face, i'm sorry, i know it is not funny, but it is. all right, thank you for watching. "ac360" starts right now. good evening, tonight, a "ac360" exclusive. magic johnson responding to the outrageous remarks that donald sterling made about him in recordings on line and in this program last night. magic johnson did not ask to be a part of this story, and when we asked him he made it much more clear he would rather talk about the nba playoffs. but in the conversation, he answered claims that sterling said he is not a very good role model, and his history with the clippers, first, it all started when had the woman, v. stiviano, posted a picture on her instagram page. donald sterling says it was