crews pull another miner out alive, giving hope that there will still be more to come and be rescued. senior international correspondent ivan watson is joining us by phone. eye v ivan,what do we know? >> this is a town in western turkey hit hard by a catastrophe that many lawmakers here are calling the worst mining disaster in turkey history. we have seen probably more than 1,000 police deployed, hundreds of people out on the streets of the small mining town outside the hospital. ambulancing moving around, as well as funeral vehicles as the number of the dead continue to increase. the rescue workers are trying to work depths of perhaps more than a mile under ground to reach the hundreds of miners that are still believed to be trapped under ground. the latest death toll is 200 people killed. mostly as a result, we believe, of smoke inhalation.

it began, authorities say, at the electrical fire. chris? >> ivan, unfortunately we have too much experience with what the variables are here. so what do we know about how much equipment they had for emergencies in this mine and what the chance that there are air pocket where's people can sustain life for a while under ground? what are they saying? >> well, chris, the authorities say they're pumping air down into the mine shaft. of course, that's a big problem. the oxygen supply just disappears when you have an underground fire like this. one of the -- on the scene, he says that there's no communication thus far with the miners that are still believed to be trapped down there. one of the big concerns is that the safety record of this particular mine. just about 2 1/2 years ago a lawmaker from this region submitted a proposal in the

turkish parliament calling for an investigation of this very mine because of safety concerns there. it was overturned, voted down in parliament just 2 1/2 weeks ago. and now we have again what could be the deadliest mining disaster in turkish history with more than 200 people dead already and serious fears that that number could go up as well. we see a community here that is is clearly devastated by the catastrophe, chris. >> a big portion of this immediate area works in this mine. there's going to be every family there that is connected to this situation. overnight we are watching footage of the rescues. some of the men coming up are walking, others are on stretchers. what is the information about what the condition were of people they were able to save overnight? >> the main cause of death that we've heard from authorities thus far has been smoke

inhalation. you're trapped deep under ground. you're in enclosed space. there's a raging fire. this morning the fires were still burning. and that, in fact, they had to try to find a way to pump out some of the smoke so that the rescue teams could go in because it could be dangerous for them, as well. so it sounds logistically this is a very difficult and dangerous operation. and the fact that it was an electrical fire suggests that the power supplies down to the bottom of the coal shaft, that they were probably interrupted by this fire which would have made it also very difficult perhaps to not only get lighting down there but operate elevators up and down. we're trying to more information from the turkish authorities. they've been updating people periodically. the sad thing has been watching the vigil of hundreds of relatives and family members not only outside the hospital where some of the wounded who have been rescued have been brought to but also outside the mine

itself where the frantic rescue operation is under way. these people waiting, praying for some news that their loved ones will come out safe and sound. but it has been a really horrific night for this community and for turkey as well. the flags are flying at half-mast across this province. i've seen a massive deployment of riot police, security forces, as well, throughout this area. as some people are starting to get very frustrated and start to hurl accusations just who is at fault in this deadly mining disaster. chris? >> not a surprise. ivan, i'll let you get back to the work of reporting. the idea of a fire in the mine, the experts who do firefightering in these situations will tell you it's the worst variable to deal with because of what fire hazards are a give and take. it gives smoke which chokes you out in a closed space and it takes in oxygen which is feeding the fire. that's a very bad situation for them to deal with.

>> some hope that they're getting somes are cues overnight. we'll see what they find obviously as today as well. we'll continue to cover that throughout the morning. let's turn to cnn exclusive. magic johnson responding to donald sterling. the nba legend says he felt he had to speak up because sterling made the issue about race, not just about him. after making those racist comments, sterling lashed out at magic johnson in a separate cnn exclues i. saying johnson should be ashamed for contracting hiv and also claiming that johnson hasn't helped or hasn't reached out to the black community. listen to what johnson told ander son cooper about the bizarre remarks and the picture that sparked the controversy. >> it was or of disappointing but i had to respond in terms of, okay, you don't want me to come no to your games. i won't come to your games. you don't have to worry about that. but also i was upset because he threw the minorities in, african-americans, latinos into this situation. so i had to speak up.

i'm one of the leaders of the black community so i can't let anybody attack our people and not respond. and so that's why i responded. >> when -- first of all, you said you were photographed with v. stiviano, probably photographed with -- >> millions of people. >> -- millions of people. he claimed in this interview that i did with him the other day, you knew her, you knew her well. >> these are the facts. i never met this young lady. i took a picture with her probably, looked like at a dad jer game. that's it. that's all i know of her. you know, and then he said i'm trying to set him up. how am i trying to set him up? he asked me to go on the barbara walters show with him. >> this is a week ago? >> a week ago. >> because he met with barbara walters on a friday. >> it was before that. i told him i wouldn't do it. i said, the number one thing you need to do, which you haven't done, is apologize to everybody and myself. i'll get to that. i'll get to that. >> so he wanted you to go on with barbara walters sitting next to him? >> sitting next to him.

>> to kind of give him cover? >> exactly. so i said no. then i told him, i said, donald, you should consult with your attorneys. i said, this thing is a big thing. and you should deal with your attorneys and let them advise you on what to do. but i said, you need to go public and apologize to everybody. >> how did he respond? >> i, i, i will apologize later but i want you to go on this show. he was adamant about me going on this show with him. i told him no, i wouldn't do it. that's what happened. this is really weird. i'm really disturbed by the fact that, you know, when he called me, he should have said, magic, i'm sorry. >> right. i asked him specifically if he had apologized to you, and he said no. >> no. no, he didn't apologize at all. >> it seemed like a surprise to him that he would actually be expected to make an apology to you. >> well, he's the one who said, don't bring magic to my games. so, you know, he's the one who made these comments.

so i was expecting at least an apology. and the american public wanted an apology. he finally did that. but this is -- it's sad. when i saw that interview, it's sad. it really is. i'm going to pray for this young man. i hope donald can see the mistake that he has made and also the people he has hurt along the way. and then what's really sad, you know, it's not about me. . this is about the woman you love outing you and taping you and putting your -- and putting your conversation out here for everybody to know. that wasn't me. i didn't do that. i don't know this young lady. this is between you two. but then we he wants to include me. and i'm not included in this situation. and then he wants to, you know, ask me what i've done, you know, in the minority community. that's well documented, what i've done. >> if you think about it the situation is now become even more bizarre because magic johnson is completely puzzled as to why he was ever relevant to

donald sterling. trying to make sense of it. bring in malik rose, game analyst for comcast sportsnet philadelphia. and mr. sean gregory, senior writer for "time" magazine and time.com. what's your take away from this, sean? >> the barbara walters, you know, bequest -- >> also known as abc news. >> that was the most bizarre thing. magic said something interesting at the end when we talk about tend game of all this. it looks like donald sterling is going to get pushed out and he's going to get his money. and what does he do with that money? and, you know, anderson suggested, give it to a good cause. maybe he will do some good with that money. magic made the point, do we take that money? that gets to larger questions of the donald sterling were to set up a scholarship fund for minorities he said in his interview, i love to help minorities, do you take that money? and but if you don't take that money, are you denying opportunities, you know, to go to college? are we going to have a larger conversation about forgiveness

at the end of all of this. >> and who should -- to get forgiveness though, malik, what's the first rule we teach our kids, to be forgiven you must say i'm sorry and you must mean it. how dit, how do you make sense of the fact that he calls magic and says i need you to come on tv with me and doesn't even apologize? how do you make sense of that? >> i don't know if you can make sense of that. i mean, if i was in pr and i had the school people on how to do an interview and how not to do an interview, these two interviews would be cued up 24 hours a day. i don't really understand -- this magic johnson interview actually made me have more questions as to, you know, why -- not even why but, you know, the lies that mr. sterling was saying as far as like magic called me. that was one thing i took away from the first donald sterling interview when he said magic called me and said don't do anything. i wanted to learn more about that. now to hear that mr. sterling was the one that initially called magic and asked him to go

on the barbara walters abc special, it's like par for the course. >> i don't get what dsonald sterling's thing is with magic. he doesn't know the woman. he's not making a move on the clippers. he has no relationship with donald sterling. why -- what do you think is fueling sterling's paranoia about this guy? >> i think it's just, you know, he just can't stop himself. you know, like anderson wasn't taking him to magic johnson and then he just started going off on magic johnson. i think it's donald sterling, you know, maybe you can blame, you know, his age or dementia for just kind of having no filter and just going off. it's -- it's unexplanable. >> other than the obvious intrigue of scandal that drives interest, there are two big reason and seanous lined them about why you want to follow this story. what do you make of this, why he said why it's not tolerable and

what it means going forward. miami dolphins safety talks about the michael sam kiss of his partner haend says it's horrible. what happens to him, what do we do when people do things we don't like. the second thing is see what the league does. malik, what do you think of the fact the owners met yesterday and adjourned quickly and said we'll meet again next week. why didn't they have the vote? >> i have no idea. there could be a litany of reasons why they didn't have the vote. >> give me two good ones. >> members didn't show up. maybe all the members didn't show up and they don't have a plan of action. i think the vote is what's probably going to be the easy pa part. he's going to be out. lack bash and people start to dig further, good reporters like yourself and anderson cooper are going to ask questions and dig into the the background of other owners. that's just a guess, not what could happen. but this is probably what they're thinking of. i think the decision is probably made, but after the decision, what's going to happen then. that's probably what the owners

are starting to prepare for. >> i think there is somewhat of a process here. you have a hearing and there's some back and forth. i also wonder if the nba is trying to delay as much as possible to put some focus back on the basketball. the problem is we keep having interviews and donald sterling keeps saying things where we're having no focus on the basketball. >> process is off and protection. they want to make sure they cover all their bases, perhaps. that meeting next week is going to have a lot of attention no matter what goes on in the playoffs. much bigger than the game. it's good to have magic johnson his piece. he doesn't want to talk about this anymore, he shouldn't have to. but we will. malik rose, thank you. sean gregory, appreciate it. we hope you can watch "ac 360" tonight. yes, there is still more you're going to want to see. also coming up on "new day," a preview of what made sterling actually break down in tears.

that will be interesting. kate? let's get over to don lemon now for today's big stories. >> good morning to you. good morning, everyone. developing this morning, more bled shed in eastern ukraine. ambush by pro-russian nrns killing six yooukian on thursday as they emerge as a players as a push for peace. germany's for written minister is in ukraine trying to kick start talks for moscow and kiev. he wants to decentralize the ukrainian government. a wildfire near san diego is almost under control after scorching 800 acres and threatens thousand of homes. it started tuesday morning and fanned by strong winds and low humidity in the area. parents had to pick up their children from three different elementary schools because of the fire threat. officials say those schools will be open this morning. a federal r federal judge struck down a voter approved ban on same-sex in idaho. the 2006 amendment defining

marriage as between a man and woman violates a state's guarantee of equal protection. the decision will not take effect until friday morning giving a higher court time for a review. idaho's governor is vowing to appeal. this is happening in several states where they do it and it's struck down. >> equal protection is a very strong clause of the constitution. makes this somewhat of a simple legal question. >> right. coming up next on "new day," new fears at a dangerously fatal new virus is spreading inside the united states. a hospital worker may have contracted the virus in florida. what you need to know, ahead. did you hear this wild political claim ignited a fire storm of course. maybe that was its intention. we'll explain. karl rove claiming hillary clinton may have brain damage? some in his own party are now taking him on. the question is, is it all part of a dirty little plan.

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mers, or middle east reps stospy syndrome. two workers are under going testing. the virus was first detected in saudi arabia and defense secretary chuck hagel arrived for meeting where thermal meters were used to try and detect the virus. a very real risk. we're joined by a clinical associate professor of emergency medicine and chief of depositionment at uvc hospital. doctor, thanks for joining us this morning. a lot of questions for many people wondering what they need to be aware of, but first, this news coming out this morning about defense secretary chuck hagel goes in to this meeting. they said they used thermal meters to try to look for high body temperature maybe to detect if the mers virus was present. have you heard of this being used before? is this something you can see being used in the united states? >> sure, we've heard use of this

but the efficacy of it is questionable. the problem with mers virus is it's no different than any other flu virus where you develop low grade temperature to suddenly developing severe respiratory symptoms. you may be quarantining or thinking a lot of people have mers when they actually don't. considering that, when you do this in saudi arabia it makes sense because there's a higher potential or possibility of people having mers there. imp my ming something like that in the united states really doesn't make sense. >> knowing that the united states defense secretary is entering the meetings, clearly they'll do everything to make sure everyone is careful there. you talked about symptoms being similar to other flu viruses. what are the specific symptoms that are unique to mers? >> the unique part about mers is that it progresses rapidly and becomes lethal. but the symptoms otherwise are similar to the flu. fever, cough, shortness of breath. the unfortunate thing is for about 30% of the people who contract this they actually die from this.

that's where the scary part of this virus comes? >> what is it -- is it because it progresses so quickly that t its more fatal than other virus snes what is it about mers that makes it more deadly than other virus snes. >> that's what has scientists excited about doing the research. most viruses the human body has been exposed to for thousands of years and understood how to defend itself. whenever a new virus pops up the medical community gets worried. why? we don't know how the human body will react. not just one human body but the global population. it's a lock and key phenomenon. if that certain key fits the human body's ability to unlock its potential for disaster, then we're in deep trouble. >> and this is spread through direct human contact. i heard maybe the one good thing about mers is it is more difficult to contract, it doesn't spread as easily as other viruses.

describe this direct contact. what does that mean practically speak for folks at home? >> practically speaking, it smooens means someone really close and taking care of somebody who has contracted the illness which means body fluids, really cough is what we're talking about. respiratory stuff. somebody is coughing on you, you're getting it on your hands and then you're not washing your hands and you're getting it in your mouth, your eyes, and you're contracting the illness. people at high risk are people taking care of people who have mers, family member or health care workers. >> that's why the hospital workers are at such heightened risk and hops are now starting to pay special attention to this. doctor, great to see you. thanks so much for waking up early and coming in. appreciate it. gooded ed advice for everybody. coming up on "new day," it is on. karl rove suggesting hillary clinton may not be he think enough to be president. how would he know? now, if she runs, wing, wing, will it be a legit question or

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welcome back to "new day." i'm don lemon. we're following breaking news. a mine disaster in western turkey where crews are desperately trying to find survivors. at least 205 people are dead. another 200 are believed to be trapped about two-thirds of a mile below ground.

the shaft collapsing and burning after a transformer exploded in the mine. clean air is being pumped to parts of the mine where there is no fire. and we're going to go live to the scene at the top of the hour. nigerian officials have now positively identified 77 of the kidnapped schoolgirls seen in this video taken by the boko haram terror group but there are new questions about some of those girls and who they are and whether they were even part of the last month's abduction. meanwhile, u.s. spy planes have arrived in nigeria and already joined that search. terrifying scene in upstate new york. parents looking on as an inflatable bounce house with children inside swept off the ground. look at that. wind storm. two boys inside fell from the house from about 15 feet in the air. they suffered serious injuries and remain hospitalized. a 10-year-old girl also inside suffered minor injuries. some kids fell from week two

floors up into the the air. unbelievable. >> i never heard this happens. kate was saying it happens all the time. >> i don't know if we say all the time but i think it's noteworthy when it happens even once, right? >> absolutely. >> but it has happened before. all right. so here's the question for you this morning. dirty pool, republican strategist karl rove suggest that more needs to be made of hillary clinton's 2012 concussion and subsequent hospital stay. here's what he said. 30 days in the hospital and when she reappears she's wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury? we need to know what's up with that. tuesday mr. rove backpedalling a little bit saying he never said she had brain damage but her health is still an issue if she runs for president. listen for yourself. >> my point was, is that hillary clinton wants to run for president, but she would not be human if this didn't enter in as a consideration. and my other point is, this will be an issue in the 2016 race and whether she likes it or not.

>> whether he likes it or not or whether she likes it or not? clinton spokesman called the motives behind his comments, quote, flagrant and thinly veiled. here with us is former senior adviser to bill clinton and margaret hoover, cnn political commentator, republican consultant. margaret, you, full disclosure, you know mr. rove. you worked with him on 2004-2005 in the white house but we're not pinning this on you. >> pin it on me. >> i see it's like a football huddle. karl rove is drawing in the sand. i'm going to carry the the ball on this one. i'm going to take this shot and then you can jump in and say how can you say that karl, but then it's out there. oh, my god, that's exactly right. >> you're not going to say that. what are we here for? >> it's working. >> it's working. >> and we're done. thanks. >> karl rove bumped his head as well. you know. >> what do you think, margaret? >> first of all, clearly, that

works. but let's also not forget that age is a very reasonable thing to mention about anyone's age. you have to be careful when it's a female president. >> this isn't about age. >> this is age and health, always has to be age. and -- and this has been raised for ronald reagan, bob dole, john mccain, dick cheney. it was so much of an issue for ronald reagan that he owned it at every campaign stop in new hampshire in his campaigning he made his 69th birthday celebration and by the end of the campaign he actually was seen as more vigorous than jimmy carter because he double downed and owned it. hillary could take a page from this an not let it hurt her and embrace it and kickback. >> do you think it's a good -- what do you think karl rove is doing? is he doing anything smart? >> look, i think you guys -- i think you guys nailed it. you put it out there. you let -- karl is crazy like a fox. >> he raised it with mccain, as

well. >> crazy like a fox. >> there's a difference between -- richard, weigh in on this. reasonable basis to question the age, advanced age, health problems. you mentioned dick cheney with all due respect to him and future health. the guy had many heart attacks. >> hillary clinton is a relatively young woman in this day and age. 66 years old. >> 66 is the new 56. >> exactly. or the new 46. >> seriously, it is. >> it is. people are living longer. no one really -- no one really questions her stamina or her intellect. she's giving a speech today at the world bank. >> including lindsey graham. >> who else at this time is giving a speech today at the world bank on world monetary policy. nobody questions her ability and her intellect and her sharpness. but so now all of a sudden karl rove comes out with this big lie. it is like a big lie. it's the mccarthyism of the internet age where you can put anything out there, make a big lie, make it up about 30 days in

the hospital, which is not true, make this thing about sunglasses. i never heard about sunglasses especially designed sunglasses for people with brain injuries. it was totally fabricated. then he pulse it back and we are having this whole segment on it. and margaret says, of course, age going to be a consideration is it's not so bad. she's a relatively young woman. no issues. >> if you're going to live in the free world age is a -- it's not just age. it's age, it's health, it's stamina. was reagan as robust and vigorous -- >> where is the line then? >> but ronald reagan was 80, hillary clinton is 66. >> almost the same age when he took office. 69. >> draw the line, if age at some point is a valid topic, if the health of a candidate is a valid topic, where is the line? >> the health and age of every candidate is always on the table and should be vigorously reviewed by the community. >> she's not a candidate yet. >> she's a candidate. she's a candidate. >> does it matter?

does it matter that he's over weight? >> we're having this conversation so in a way we are legitimizing it. >> and guess what else we're doing? we're allowing karl rove to fund raise for his super pac because we're gore to bring more t a tension. >> not just for his super pac but do you think -- does this hurt hillary clinton at all? >> i think it will backfire. i think will it backfire. i think lit hurt republicans and shows how desperate republicans are that they have nothing going on, no candidate. front-runner christie is self destructing. they've t got to make up stuff. >> both jeb bush and paul ryan the other night and -- >> jeb bush -- >> both of them looked good. >> the problem is for you guys that jeb bush cannot run and be nominated by the republican party. >> i think he would be a good candidate. >> i think paul ryan's max from the bench press fell. >> it's amazing, seriously. >> republicans do need to be careful because when we have a woman front-runner on the other

side we have to be careful because we make ourselves susceptible to double standards. >> if we're going to talk about her pantsuits i'm going to light something on fire. >> that's a potential land mine, mine field. >> we are setting ourselves up for another fabricated war on women. >> president obama will -- candidate obama then had a tough time talking about race. will it have the sort of same effect talking about women's issues? will she walk that tightrope? >> she's already done it. the attacks against her and the attacks against sarah palin, many of them were deeply sexist. whoever is running against her has got to be careful about it. >> be careful, we talked about this before on another topic, you have to be careful when she polls even better when she is seen as a victim of something. >> she's a victim right now, hoover. >> she's a victim right now. >> i think hillary clinton is very strong and doesn't need anybody's defense. very powerful.

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don't settle for anything less. i'll keep asking. what's in your wallet? my friend, it was a wild turn of event in the nba and does not involve the donald sterling scandal but it does involve his team. the ok city thunder beat the team. let's go to this morning's bleacher report. wow, wow. tell them what happened. >> that's all you can say is wow because what an ending to last night's game. crazy. clippers coach doc rivers said after the game his team was robbed. so here's the play that t got rivers so upset. thunder down two. reggie jackson loses the ball out of bounds sfp replay looks

to show the ball goes off jackson but the refs give it back to the thunder. moments later, russell wesbrook, chris paul, three-point attempt. paul is shocked. wesbrook hits all three free throws. thunder steals the win. rivers is not happy. >> in my opinion, let's take away the replay system because that's our ball. we win the game. we got robbed because of that call. >> turning on bleacherreport.com, so tomorrow seed in the east. indiana pacers at home against the wizards with a chance to finish off the series, the polish hammer. i'm not sure if that is his nickname but he earned it last night. grabbed 16 rebounds. wizards with the blowout win, 102-79. more games tonight on tnt. the heat and spurs have a chance to close out their series. back to you guys. >> thank you so much. this morning an nba owner is speaking of sports and the nba,

nba owner speaking out about the future of the clippers after donald sterling's outrageous comments made on cnn. mark cuban is the owner of the dallas mavericks and prominent businessman as well as investor on the television hit "shark tank." christine romans is joining us now and she's got the interview. >> he had previously said you have a right in this country to be a moron. should we be talking about taking a i way the property of someone because of their private conversations. i asked him about that. i said, look, you know, can you take someone's property because of what they say? he says, we are a franchise. and you have to play by the rules. he's changed his tune on this a little bit. listen. >> we're a franchise organization. right? so it's not -- it's not apples to apples in taking property. that's kind of what i've learned since my original comments, you know. it's like the someone who is a mcdonald's franchisee started talking about spitting in the french fries. >> you would lose your

franchise. >> the mcdonald's analogy is pretty good. he's really concerned about privacy ands he's concerned that this is a private conversation originally that sparked -- nfrt, it's why he has a new app he's launching called cyber dust. everything is out there. there's really no sense of privacy at all. while he's concerned about privacy, he says, no, this is a franchise. nba is a franchise. >> he thinks donald sterling is a separate case than talking about private conversations should be kept private. he thinks that donald sterling should be out. where does he say the owners are in the process? >> he's not talking about the process. he is not talking about the process at all and very tight lipped on that. he wants to talk about pry vas i have and his app. i talked to him a lot about this situation and what's going to happen with the clipper next, what kind of ownership he thinks we could see here and what kind of money -- he said it could get well over a billion dollars. valued at $575 million by forbes. well over a billion dollars. the days of the trophy as set from a billionaire are over. these are consortiums with very

well-backed investors and that the clippers sale is going to mark a new era in that. listen. >> acquiring a franchise has gone from, you know, kind of rich guys regardless of their demographic, or women, right, being able to write a check for a team to it being a consortium. >> a business deal. >> right. you have lots of stakeholders. that changes the tenor of the entire sport. >> and that will mark a big change, he says, this whole incident marking a big change in that. the trophy assets are over. he said he couldn't buy the dallas mavericks now. >> did he say in your interview he couldn't even buy some of the teams in the nfl and mlb teams? >> and mls. he said walking down the streets of new york and people are like, buy the mets, buy the mets. he doesn't want to own a baseball team but he couldn't anyway. it's a whole different ball game, literally now, than it used to be. >> good to hear his voice on this. thanks, christine. >> we got a lot coming this

weekend about pry vaivacy on my show. >> more on mark cuban's interview with christine. head to cnnmoney.com. christine will have more on her show "your money" airing saturday 2:00 p.m. eastern. let's take a break here on "new day." when we come back, stars behaving badly. say it ain't so. of course it's so. justin beebe, alec baldwin, both in trouble with the law again and at least one of them isn't going quietly. look at this. incredible video. a man claiming to be god smashes a stolen landscaping truck into the lobby of a local tv station. we'll tell you what happened next. woman: this is not exactly what i expected. captain obvious: this is a creepy room. man: oh hey, captain obvious. captain obvious: you should have used hotels.com. their genuine guest reviews are written by guests who have genuinely stayed there. instead of people who lie on the internet. captain: here's a review, it's worse in person.

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but are these fair accusations or is this about celebrity justice? let's bring in mel robbins, cnn commentator, legal analyst, and sony hostin, former federal prosecutor. let's begin with mr. bieber, shall we? sunny, you be the sword on this. i'll let mel be the shield. >> i usually am the sword, aren't i? i think the charmgs are appropriate. we live in a non-private world. now there's technology everywhere. he didn't have an expectation of privacy out in public. someone starts taking pictures of him you can't go and try to steal someone's phone. you can't do that. and that's what he did. it makes sense that he did it because he's been in so much trouble. he doesn't want anybody taking pictures of his alleged misties but you can't break the law in trying to shield herself. >> attempted robbery though, mel? >> absolutely ridiculous. >> robbery is a serious crime. usually involves violence. >> reaching into a purse does not -- they are just trying to rough the guy up because they're sick of him. >> i don't want somebody

reaching into my purse. >> i'm sure you wouldn't. but somebody has got to do something though about the fact that people are making money off the backs of these celebrities by taking tons of photos of them all the time. >> this is just a fan. >> i got it. i got it. but this -- >> not paparazzi. >> hold up. this is fan who wanted to pick photos of justin bieber while he was getting trouble presumably not because they wanted them for their scrapbook but you know darn well there's a lot of money to be made when you catch somebody doing something wrong. >> mel robbins, reading a lot of facts into the sigsz. >> you asked me to be the shield, for crying out loud. i don't have much to work with here. >> you really don't. >> does the charge stick? >> absolutely. >> do you think he gets prosecutes? >> if i were the prosecutor, absolutely because, again, you have to -- i think these celebrities, while they're in the public eye, they seem to think that they are above justice. and that is not the case. the rules a fly apply to us all. prosecutors are in the business of making a point, make an example, showing the world what

is and what is not appropriate. in this case you can't do this kind of thing. i will prosecute the case. absolutely. >> i think he should be deforred. if they can hold up -- >> deported? >> she went really far on that one. hold up lawson for admitting she's done in cocaine and not let her enter. why is bieber coming in and out of united states whenever he darn well pleases? i mean, to me, one of the things that i've beentalking about thi story is everybody is looking at the donald sterling story case and how did this happen and how did he get away with this behavior for so long? people didn't stick it to him every single time he did something small. prosecutors need to go hard against bieber because if he doesn't be held to the same standard as everybody else, if he doesn't be held accountable for the bad things he's going to continue to get worse. >> it's not the first time. we had the dui arrest. >> is taking a camera from a fan, let's even say an over zell rouse fan, i don't even know with f. that's true. but is that tantamount to attempted robbery which is

usually stopping a mugging in the process. >> absolutely. that's what he did right there. >> the theft has to be something of no expectation of return. you know damn well you're going to give me those papers back. >> i love when he puts his legal hat on. >> are you overpunishing now? yes, they're undulged. he's a celebrity. what if he gives the camera back? >> i think perhaps that's different but if he takes the camera and then erases all the pictures, then no. i think it's the same thing. >> there are other charges that could bring because according to tmz and the statement that this woman gave, he was also intimidating them, he was also -- he said some things that make the 13-year-old start crying that was with her, the mother -- >> the very action of taking someone else's property by force is attempted robbery and it's really assaultive behavior. >> we say it all the time, bieber is a young man, emphasis on young. the real problem with him does

seem to be a celebrity phenomenon of not the right support, not the right guidance as the money and fame eclipsing the maturity for these kids. let's switch to alex baldwin. going the wrong way on fifth avenue. this biking thing has gotten to be a big deal in new york city. they're making bike lanes, push back against the bike lanes but taken very seriously in traffic situations now because we have a lot of accidents. alec is going the wrong way. stopped by the cops. we don't know but we are told that he gets mouthy with him because he doesn't have id. >> no surprise? >> they wind up arresting him. unusual to be arrested for riding the wrong way on a bicycle. but what's the rule of when you mess with the cops? >> listen, i used to teach a street law class. i would say, one, you don't break the law, you don't break even ordinances but if you do and if you're in a situation with police, make your police interaction as short and as pleasant as possible. he broke rule number two. well, rule number one and two. you don't break the law by going

the wrong way on fifth avenue. a very, very busy thorough fair. once they give to you and give you a summons you don't say take the summons and stick it up your butt. >> alec tweeted about it and he said this. i will read it if we have it. if not i'll make it up. new york city is a mismanaged carnival of stupidity that is desperate for revenue and anxious to criminalized behavior once thought benign. a lot of big words in, there mel, but do you think it applies? >> no. let's face it. he didn't get arrested for riding the bike the wrong way. extremely dangerous. fifth avenue. three lanes of driving. going the wrong way which creates a hugely dangerous situation for drivers and pedestrians and for his. he t got arrested because he was a jerk. he got arrested because he did what you should never do. in every single interaction in life you can either escalate the situation or you can de-escalate it. >> especially with police officers. they've got a tough, tough job. the last thing they need when enforcing ordinance or the law

is to have somebody mouthing off. i will say this about all lech baldwin, i think he was right with the friend's ipad thing. just throwing it out there. i think he was right. >> segue. tell us what you're talking about. >> he was on the plane and he was playing words with friends on his ipad and the stewardes or flight attendants were taking it from him. we now all know that is safe and the pilots are using it -- >> at the time, it wasn't. this is another example of him not following the rules. >> my point is, he doesn't follow the rules, but in that respect he was challenging the rules, a rule he thought was inappropriate. >> time, place, and management wasn't the best. >> in this case maybe he doesn't think the ordinance is appropriate but i think he was wrong on this point because driving -- taking a bike the wrong way on 50th avenue is very dangerous as you mentioned. but it's his manner of, i think, trying to confront authority that he has a problem with. >> opposition defiance disorder, i'm going to diagnose him right there.

>> i was dig noagnose with that the guy was a jerk who diagnosed it. listen, appreciate it. bieber's case much more serious than alec in this. open invitation, alec baldwin, to come on and explain himself. he has real issues that he feels he's being targeted. some of the big stories we're going to follow for you as you start your "new day." desperate rescues under way after a mine disaster in turkey. magic johnson fires back at donald sterling's bizarre accusations in a cnn exclusive. wait until you hear what sterling asked him to do after the initial tape came out. and an amazing discovery off the coast of haiti. listen to this. explorers think they have found the santa maria. yes. yes. let's get after all of it. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this could be turkey's worst ever mining disaster. pumping oxygen to keep these people alive. >> i made such a mistake. >> i thought that woman really cared for me. >> when he attacked me

personally, i have to speak out about it. i'm going to always fight for myself and for my people. >> it was clear from the very beginning, we were dealing with emotionally disturbed subject. >> good morning. welcome back to "new day." it is wednesday, may 14th. 7:00 in the east. we begin with breaking news. the desperate search for survivors as a mine disaster unfolds in turkey. right now more than 200 people are believed to be trapped almost a mile under ground. there is word that as many as 200 have lost their lives. workers have been trying to make rescues throughout the night to get to them. we're 1/2ing some of them in action from overnight. now, the good news is there have been these homes of hope. this is a father kissing his son after he was rescued but there haven't been enough of those moments. enough for crowds to cheer about as crews are pulling another miner out of here live. these moments very few and far and between.

senior international correspondent eivan has the latest from soma, turkey. ivan, what do we know now? >> chris, it's a race against time here. we're overlooking the mouth and the rescue operation of this griddy coal mine here in western turkey. the government authorities, they say that more than 90 people have been rescued since this electrical fire exploded at depths of perhaps a mile under ground. the death toll has also drinks sent dramatically to at least 205 miners killed as a result mostly of smoke inhalation at these depths where the fire has been raging. with heard as of this morning as well rescuing the rescue efforts. one of the problems, nobody knows exactly how many coal miners were under ground when the fire erupted in the first place. there was a shift change reportedly taking place. so that is complicating matters. the nearby town of soma looks

like a town in crisis. hundreds of people lining the roads. more than 1,000 security officers and police who set up barriers, protecting the hospital there. and below us, there are planses waiting, waiting as people here in the hills around this griddy coal mine as they hope and pray for loved ones to emerge from what really has become a coffin for now hundreds of turkish coal miners. >> horrible metaphor but unfortunately too close to the truth to be ignored, ivan, because rehave to assume that this mine is a big employer. so many of the families in this small community, somehow related to what's going on in that mine right now. and we do know the big variable is if there's fire underground like this, it is taking away much needed oxygen and giving back smoke that can kill you very quickly. what do we understand from the authorities about where they are in controlling the fires?

>> pumping air down into the mine shafts since tuesday night to this fire first erupted on tuesday. now, i talked to a turkish lawmaker who is here overseeing so of the rescue efforts. he says one of the problems is they haven't been able to communicate with the hundreds of miners who are still believed to be trapped down below. so that's a major, major problem. he also told me that the fires were still believed to be raging on wednesday morning and hampering the rescue efforts so that they actually had to let off some of the smoke it accumulated down there because the bad air down there would endanger the rescue efforts. and really what's saddest of all here is this isn't the first time the turkey has seen a mine dozens of coal miners died in at least two separate incidents in turkish coal mines in this country and, can you believe it, just 2 1/2 weeks ago a lawmaker

whose electorate in this district submited a motion in parliament to investigate reports of safety hazards at this very mine in the turkish parliament. that motion was overturned by a majority of turkish parliament members, turkish lawmakers. that's going to be an issue for down the road. right now people are just hoping again and praying that they're loved ones -- again, we don't know how many men are trapped down there, will emerge safe and sound from this terrible catastrop catastrophe. >> thank you for the reporting this morning. let's turn now to magic johnson pulling no punches in his rebuttal to donald sterling's comments about him in a cnn exclusive. he called sterling delusional. he says he hasn't gotten an apologize and after sterling's accusations that johnson is a poor role model for the community johnson said he could not stay silent. >> he is a man who we would

think would be educated and a man who would be smart enough to build this type of wealth and own a team to have an incredible platform to change the world. but he's doing it in a negative way. you know, first of all, 22 years ago i announced that i did have hiv. i came out like a man. you know? i told the world. >> because of the hiv virus i have attained, i will have to retire from the lakers today. >> i didn't blame nobody else. i understood what i did was wrong. okay? so i announced that to the world. and i hope that i was able to help people in doing that. i think i did. >> you helped countless numbers of people. >> yes, yes. and i've been to hospice, i've been to hospitals hugging people with hiv and aids, you know, before they were dying or people

who had -- didn't know if they could live a long time. i hugged them. i counseled them. i talked to them. i talked to them about taking their meds and not -- making sure that they stay on their regiment, which is the key. i talked to a lot of young people who just got hiv and was thinking about, you know, committing suicide, you see? and i tried to talk them out of that. and then we have given away over $15 million, my foundation. magic johnson shouldn't have been included in your conversation because i had nothing to do with this. but because you put me in it again and then you try to disrespect me, the work that i've done in the minority community, that really makes me upset. and then my competitive spirit comes out because i've done all this great work, all the kids we've sent to college and i got 150 kids on scholarship right now. you know. i've continued to do good work in urban america and i will always do that. i'm devoted. my whole life is devoted to

urban america. so i just -- wo wish he knew ths when he was talking. but he's a man who is upset and he's reaching, he's reaching. he's trying to find something he can grab on to to help him save his team. it's not going to happen. it's not going to happen. >> this idea that he has that african-americans somehow don't help other african-americans. >> it's disturbing, it's sad. he didn't do his homework. tyler perry called me right after the interview. he was so upset. spike lee called me. we help each other and what we try to do is band together to see how to better our community. we also give the information, because i'm successful, tyler is success phi successful, we educate others on how they can become successful. it's not just about giving them money, it's about giving them the tools so that they can be successful in the african-american community.

but the problem is, he's living in the stone ages. he can't make those comments about african-americans and latinos. he just can't do it. >> spike lee last night was saying that he's messed with the wrong brother. >> well, you know anderson, i'm always going to fight for myself and my people. i will never change. so when he attacked me personally i have to speak out about it. >> good opportunity for magic johnson to speak to the ignorance of the statements that came out in donald sterling's interview. it is unfortunate he got hoisted to the middle and yet while it answers some questions it raises new ones because there's more in the interview you haven't heard yet with anderson cooper. what else did donald sterling say? well, at one point in the interview he becomes very emotional and we want to play that for you. he's talking about his behavior and manch and whose woman with conversation with sterling got him into this mess in the first place. watch this. >> yes.

i think we'll divorce. i think she's already filed. i guess i was bad committing all of these terrible -- i don't even want to say it. but, you know, people say how do you commit adultery? you justify things. you say, well, every man in paris or france has a mistress. i mean, it may make you smile but when you're so hold you don't think it's wrong anymore if you have a little bit of fun. you don't have much time. if you have a little bit of fun you can't do what you did before and nobody expects -- but you want to be cared for. everybody wants to be cared for. i made such a mistake. i thought that woman really cared for me.

>> so let's bring in charles from "new york times" and cnn commentator, host of the slate podcast the gist with mike peska. all right. let me put something out there for you. start with you, mike. this is an 81-year-old man. he has been given no excuse for his age, for his generational perspective and for whatever deteriorated state emotionally he may be in. do the tears evoke any sympathy in you for where he's coming from and making these mistakes? >> it made me think of the word pathetic. originally with the statements i was saying to myself and to people who asked, pathetic but it was more of a smearing i can't believe this guy, i can't believe this jerk. now i don't know if it's sympathy but there's a sadness to it all. i don't think any of it changes the underlying facts but this is one of those things where we have a huge blow-up, a huge let's all listen to a tape or let's all listen to a moment and

there have been so many, biden uses the word clean or georged a len says macoco and we go crazy about it. now we're seeing this as a little more complicated. i don't know if it's changes the prescription from nba commissioner adam silver's perspective this guy still needs to lose his team, from all the players in the nba, same thing. i look at him and he maybe a malfactor, might be able to do evil in the world and his opinions might affect millions of people. but this is a pathetic, pathetic man. >> what do you think of magic johnson's response, he was dragged into this. he didn't ask to be part of this conversation. he felt like he needed to respond, especially after donald sterling said to anderson. >> i think it was right for him to respond. i think he was gracious in the way he responded. i think he is kind of a blueprint for how you can respond to people who are being racist and who attack you personally. i think magic -- it was a great thing that magic did and the way that he did it because he didn't

have to be as gracious as he was in the way he treated sterling. and i think that even if you have this to sterling, even if you are inclined to forgive, which i think people make mistakes and they should be able to apologize for that and so you can decide to forgive or not, it doesn't erase the beliefs that he has. it doesn't alter the facts of the case. he said what he said and what he said was racist and that is the only way to describe it. we cannot play around with the definition of what he said. it does not alter it. >> what i had been saying is that usually racism is more subtle, quiet, and i would say lurking beneath the surface. in this case behind the door which is of his home. but you don't usually see it brought out like this. this holds up a mirror for people like donald sterling, people who are defending him. now you see once he actually steps in front of a microphone, what he said in front of the

microphone is worse than what he said in private. >> worse in a way but it hints at a certain, i think you us idea the right word, subtlety and sophistication, which is that we sometimes want to believe that bias is joined together with malice. that the only way one can be racist is that you loath the person or the group to which you are being racist toward. that is not the way that it always works. sometimes people can be quite benevolent to the people who are less than them. in fact, in the interview with anderson he goes on about how he gives to my jorities. a lot of people do that. with within philanthropy there is still racism because people say these people are less than me and i give and it absolves me of my kind of beliefs. >> you have to figure out what the teachable moments are here now, right, there's a bar of relevance. going to keep talking about it there has to be intrigue. two levels. one you have what i would argue,

matters more. what do we do with how we view this type of speech and how we put consequence on this type of speech. and then of course there's looking at the league and what are they going to do and this mixed signal yesterday of the owner's meeting but not voting and and journing. >> well, you've said all along it should be a teachable moment and it should be. you do wonder if the people who need to learn the lesson are listening. >> no, no. because -- >> it will change another donald sterling. >> before you guys -- because no one wants to be called a racist. i have never met anyone -- >> donald sterling does not believe he's racist. >> he doesn't believe he's raci racist. have you ever met anyone who says, oh, i'm a reyes iacist? >> yes. sometimes they're proud of it. >> what is racism? what is, you know, what is this desk and you, go well, you know, it's plexiglas, it's whatever. but what is racism? >> your acceptance of the title doesn't change the definition of the title. >> great point. >> i don't need you to acknowledge the fact that you're

a racist. >> what do you do once it's out there? >> you said what he said in this interview is worse than on the tapes. we're talking about the thanks that he did. what about the things that he did? what about the things that he did when he was trying to build housing and exclude black people and hispanic people and families from the housing? and the nba was pretty much blind to it and they didn't take it on until they had this opportunity to, you know, lower the broom on him because of these tapes. this flash point of the tape. it's all a teachable moment. what magic johnson said was great. no one is going back and talking about, what about the fact that we have systematically this guy in our midst and we did nothing about it until the flash point. >> what do you do? >> it's easy to attack one person who is so blatant. >> i think you take the to tallity of what donald sterling has said in the interviews that he's given. not only has he said racist things, he has said sexist things, horribly sexist things. >> hiv/aids.

>> shaming with horrendous in this. i don't know what magic johnson's legacy will be when he dies. he was a fantastic baseball player, fantastic businessman. but what he has done on lifting the profile and alleviating stigma around hiv and aids and what you can do post-diagnosis, you can have a family and have a career, it does not have to define you. if you take your meds, you can live a happy and healthy life. people need to hear that because a lot of people don't get tested because they are afraid of the stigma and if you have someone like sterling who is, himself, saying that he has done things outside v of his marriage kind of chastising magic johnson for doing whatever he did that might have led to hiv and aids and acting as if that becomes a character disease rather than a regular disease like any other disease in america. >> sanitizing you put on it. allow it to be out there. say what he said. correct the false assumptions and hope it makes people better

going forward. >> i felt bad that magic johnson felt the need to come out. >> he did good by doing that. >> he did it the right way. >> he did good for america by doing that. >> remaining question becomes, what will the league do and when? they met yesterday, the owners. they did not have a vote. could be good reasons for that. >> donald sterling still thinks he can wait out the storm. >> it has happened before. >> let the season, let the playoffs and then they will attack that problem. >> as long as they keep their urgency because they're going to be very measured by what they do. i'm not saying what they should do. charles, mike, thank you very much. appreciate the talk this morning. we, of course, will have more of what magic johnson has to say throughout the morning. you can also hear more from mr. donald sterling in his exclusive interview with anderson cooper. you have to watch that on "ac 360" tonight at 8:00 right here on cnn. i want to tell you about other news. a bizarre scene in baltimore when a man claiming to be god

smashed a stolen landscaping truck into the lobby of a local tv station. the incident had reporters at the station scrambling to cover their own story. >> a frightening scene. this stolen landscaping truck smashing through the lobby of a tv station in baltimore, ramming the building over and over before crashing through. all of a sudden, glass is breaking. and there's a truck coming in through the front lobby. >> reporter: minutes before the crash the unidentified man is seen on surveillance video trying to enter the station. >> he then heard a person screaming, let me in, let me in. the person then began to scream, let me in, i'm god, i'm f'ing god. >> reporter: this oklahoma video showing moments that forced the lock down and whack investigation evacuation and nearby school. in an edit room he was found watching his own story on tv. >> it was clear t from the very

beginning we were dealing with an emotionally disturbed suspect. >> reporter: the suspect's family immigrated from haiti. his mother says after high school he started using drugs and hanging out with the wrong crowd. >> i don't know. i don't grow up like that. i have three kids. i work so hard to get him here. >> reporter: the suspect was arrested without incident some five hours after crashing into the building. a terrifying scene the station's workers won't soon forget. >> the man was taken in for psychic evaluation before he was -- faces those criminal charges. again, he went to the wrong station. they didn't have a noon broadcast. >> they were going to when they found that he was watching the broadcasting itself. >> yeah. >> thanks, don. >> unchecked mental illness on display. >> yeah. huge problem. >> sad. let's turn to meteorologist indra petersons keeping track of the forecast. indra, still watching the storm. >> still watching it making its

aacross the country. this is the same system that brought heavy snow to colorado and intersecting with that warm moist air in the gulf. look at all the activity spreading farther to the east. this is how we look at it in the meteorologist world. light shape of a "u." now it's shifting, coming to a negatively tilted trough. cold air is above warm air. it wants to flip badly. we have the threat for more severe weather with the system. anywhere from cleveland to pittsburgh stretching out of the way back down through jackson, mississippi. the threat for more severe weather today. even going into the night hours overnight tonight. that's when you want to be careful. here's the other side of this. dry in the west and moist in the east. it's moving more to more and more moist air. we're going to talk about all that moisture fueling into an area of severe weather. heavy thunderstorms are expected and heavy ams of flooding. two to three inches around the

gulf. three to five inches into the atlantic and up towards new york and the northeast. we're going to talk about heavy rain over the next several days. other side of it may have noticed in the mid wall street that huge temperature drop the last several days. 20 to 30 degrees cooler yesterday. that cold air is spilling farther into the east as the cold front makes its way farther to the east. not too bad in new york city. 71 in d.c. 75 today. temperatures will drop once the cold front makes its way in. it's not only going to be cooler, it's going to be kind of rainy. when i say kind of rainy, rainy a lot. a lot. >> a lot. >> thanks, indra. >> that's the chris not happy. coming up on "new day," rescue and recovery under way after a fire in a turkish mine leaves workers trapped. hundreds trapped. is there hope for their survival? what are the variables? we're going to talk to the man who helped rescue the chilean miners in 2010. a similar situation in terms of the challenges. and also ahead, is karl rove

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out of turkey this morning, rescue crews desperately trying to reach 200 coal miners trapped under ground after explosion and fire there. joining us is someone who knows a lot about mine rescues. james helped drill the escape shaft in the rescue effort of the chile an mian miners in 201. i want to lean on your expertise here from your experience with the chilean mine disaster. when you understand the little we're getting out of turkey so far, what is the first thing that they need to focus on in their rescue efforts? >> well, definitely i'm sure they have a good emergency plan for this kind of situation as most mines should have one. there's usually an emergency

response team that comes into play. and i'm pretty sure from what i hear this is a pretty good size mine. so i would think they have a lot of safety equipment under ground that can maybe, you know, hopefully always have to hope for the best and hope that there's still a lot of people there. one of the things you don't want to give up, you don't want to give up. we never gave up on our side. you know, we didn't know what was going on down there at about 2,000 feet below ground. i think what really helped is we had a lot of hopes to even if we could find one person alive, it was worth the effort. >> i think that -- >> in chile the miners survived 69 days under ground, you remember very well, better than anybody. in chile they're also dealing with a cave-in. in turkey they're dealing with an explosion and electrical fire of some kind. how does that change the dyna c

dynamic? >> that definitely changes things. when you have a cave-in you hope that miners were not exactly where the cave actually occurred, which was a case here in chile. they were likely able to get into a place where they were safe. it was just a matter of hanging in there until we could get down there and drill and find them. in this case here where you have fire involved it makes things a lot tougher. create a lot of carbon monoxide and that can have an affect on people down there. i think here time is more of a pressure problem than it was in our case, for sure. time is definitely a factor here. they were trying to eject a layer in there which is good. if you have fire, oxygen helps the people but it can also cause

the fire to ignite even more. so you've got to be real careful with that, too. >> how do you take that into account then? we hear from the rescue efforts on the ground that they are trying to pump air into the mine shaft to try to help anyone who is down there. there is still some 200 believed to be missing. you say that can also carry risks. how do you balance that? what do you you do? >> well, i'm sure they got hopefully enough information to realize what areas they can inspect air in to. if there's no fire in a certain area you kcan inject air in there. that will definitely help. as time goes by, the air is what really gets to be a problem down there when you're trapped and getting fresh air in there can definitely help the people out to where they can survive a lot longer. so air is definitely a good option but you just got to be careful not injecting air where there's still a fire. >> the chilean miners, if i remember correctly, they were down a little also than half a

mile. the miners in this case, they believe could be about two-thirds of a mile or up to a mile below the surface. that seems to obviously pose much more additional challenges. how do you take that into account if you're trying to get down there? >> well, it's a different situation in our case it was a collapse and we just couldn't get anywhere close. we have to drill a hole from the surface. i'm not sure what all the details are in this mine here. but you know, if you can -- this is a pretty good size mine from what i can understand. if you can get close to where the fire is, you don't have to drill a hole from surface. you might be able to reach the miners through the inside which can sometimes make it a little better but you've got to be real careful if you don't, you know, that you don't send people in there and then have your rescue people get trapped in there. so a lot of planning, a lot of -- you need a lot of information so you can make the right call. the more information you have, the better options of making the

right decisions and hopefully getting them out in time to try to get some people out alive. and that's, you know, that's the name of the game. we never gave up. and after 69 days, like you say, we were able to get all 33 of them out alive. >> no one will ever forget that moment when that first miner and last miner all made it out of that chilean mine alive, due in large part to your ability to drill that hole. james stephanic, thank you very much. they can only hope to have similar outcome in this case. time is working very much against them in this case. james, thank you very much for your time. chris? >> happening right now, and we will go there throughout the morning and let you know what's happening. right now we take a break though on "new day." when we come back, karl rove suggests hillary clinton may have brain damage. some in his own party are telling him to stand down, but it is now being discussed by me right now and others, so is it dirty pool well played or

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day two of karl rove raising hillary clinton's health issues. here to join me the guiliana and peter hamby. karl rove was at a conference in california. the new york post had a headline suggesting he raises the question of whether hillary clinton has brain damage. let's watch yesterday where karl rove said he didn't go that far. >> reporting though in the post he sands that he did say she was wearing glasses after a hospitalization a couple years ago that people with traumatic brain injuries or, so he apparently raised traumatic brain injury. didn't use the specific term brain damage. you cover the white house every day. let's listen to jay carney who went back to election night 2012 suggesting if anyone was having memory issues or brain issues maybe it was karl. >> dr. rove might have been the last person in america on election night to recognize and acknowledge that the president

had won the re-election, including the state of ohio. we'll leave it at that. >> i remember that night very well. karl was a little behind the curve on the math in ohio there. there are a lot of democrats grumbling that karl rove did exactly what he wanted to do here. that let's say -- let's take him at his word. he didn't dwrusz brain damage but he did say traumatic brain injury so everyone is talking about this. hillary clinton was going to be asked anyway. anybody's health when you run for president, whether you're 36 or 66 is fair game. this little planting a little dirty seed? >> a little sarcasm from the podium yesterday. but what with i thought was interesting was how jay carney used the dr. rove line hours after you heard that same line from the clinton camp. so again, it shows one of the reasons why the clinton camp jumped on this and felt that they needed to respond to this so quickly, because they know that her health issues, that this particular episode is something that's going to come back that she's going to have to answer to. >> i'm sure the clintons are angry about this but if i'm a republican i'm thinking about running against her, i'm also

probably angry about this because it takes, again, what is a legitimate issue. it's not ageist or sexist to talk about a candidate's health if they're run for president of the united states. but it pushes it into con sp conspiratorial territory and hillary has always gone up in the polls and been successful when she's perceived as being under attack. >> she's in d.c. for an event today, two events today. bill clinton is in d.c. for a fund-raiser in the maryland governor's raise. do the clintons fire back? do they take an opportunity here? >> i best for them to let this go and let other people from the white house podium deal with this because what they're doing now is turning this into a story about karl rove and undermining his credibility and ability to make this argument. >> this terms of the day-to-day news cycles i think you're going see bill clinton and hillary clinton stay above the fray as much as -- as long as they can until she actually has to engage when she gets close to

campaigning or jumping? >> she has that dry midwestern sense of humor. watch her today as she finds some underhanded way to sneak it in because she wants to. the question is whether she thinks it's the best thing to do. we talked a lot this year about the tea party losing. the tea party was celebrating overnight because of an nebraska senate race, ben sass. he was running against candidates favored by the republican establishment. he won pretty convincingly. some people are saying, wait a minute, this guy went to harvard, went to yale, studied at oxford. how can he be a pitchfork tea party guy. every group affiliate with the tea party was having an tarzan moment. we finally won, we won. we ted cruz said this is a victory. byron york of the "washington examiner" calls mitch mcconnell, the guy ted cruz hates. the establishment, and says, i'm with you. i'll support you. did the tea party win and then

immediately lose? >> look, i think you say this is a win for the tea party. they are going to get a very intelligent capable, conservative in the u.s. senate. but, you're right. he has made a mends with mitch mcconnell. they had a little bit of a flame war a few months ago. look, his campaign put out a statement after his advisers put out a statement after the primary results last night saying this guy is not going to be a reflexive no vote in the senate. i think what you're seeing here is just a little bit of conservatconserv conservatives realize that they have co-oped a little bit of the establishment and not vice versa and they will enact whatever legislation they want. >> i just had a sense the establishment won by losing lastst last night in the sense that ben sasse calls mitch mcconnell. mcconnell's primary is next week in kentucky. some talk that maybe eric continuer in virginia has a tea

party challenge. the tea party is wing by losing in a sense you don't see republicans saying let's pass immigration reform. almost all republicans have tacked right. >> one thing the democrats are looking at as you head into the general elections is whether or not you have the antagonism and anxieties that created the tea party movement within the republican party and whether or not the ted cruz, the lee supporters of the tea party anti-establishment republicans are going to rally around these establishment candidates and whether or not there's going to be the field organization to get them out as well. >> mitch mcconnell wants 51 votes. that's what he wants most of all so he's the majority leader. one of president obama's nominees for judicial was on capitol hill today. you tell me, do you want to go inside politics? what's wrong with this picture? >> for my vote, i have to have certainty and i don't know quite

how to get it in view of this record. >> i felt that -- that you gave me -- that you gave me a little slightly misrepresentation of your record on this. >> i'm sure our morning inside politics viewers get this. those were democrats. those were not republicans grilling a president -- the democratic president's nominee. michael boggs is his name. democrats have concerns about his views on abortion, views on gray gaye rights, twice voted to keep the confederate flag on the state legislature. did the white house not do this? did they not do enough work with the white house to get the support? >> i heard from two this morning that said that he has bipartisan support. they indicated that ultimately he is going to get through but he's going to need all the republicans and two democrats on the judiciary committee. look, this is emblematic of the larger problem the president has had with progressives in the judicial nominees.

they think he has been too willing to compromise. you would think he could get thoou through the progressive judges but still he's nominating conservative judges. it shows they haven't mastered the nomination process here. >> in the state of georgia in particular where they think they can pick up a senate seat, might be competitive in the judges race. this timing is bizarre. >> georgia is a tough state when you're a democrat. you cannot alienate that african-american base, especially around atlanta. at the same time, you do have to pick up votes in the rural parts of the state. this is a real balancing act. and you risk inflaming one side or the other with this for sure. >> thanks so much. as we get back to you guys in new york we started with karl rove. you knew this was make the late night funny. this morning, david letterman. >> i tell you something. that karl rove better be careful of what he's talking about because karl rove saying somebody else has brain damage, yeah, take a look at this and then we'll talk about it. ♪

>> you know, with every little piece of tape that's there, so, you know, you don't have to say anything about that. >> no, you don't. i think we should comment on ken strickland, one of our good frentsds, he was in the background. he has way better moves than that. he was not offering up some good moves right behind karl rove there. david gregory, good moves as well. >> that was a spasm that was going on. >> 4-year-old nephew, the way he dances, jumping up and down. >> it's always best advice, i believe. if you're a politician, avoid -- karl rove or a strategist, avoid the dancing in public. it just always comes back to bite you. >> yeah. and especially now, you know, that was recorded with a big camera. now we have the fun little things, too. no. not doing that. >> one of the few things that can make karl rove sympathetic is that dancing. >> i have john king dancing. >> john king has good dance moveses. >> who is john king? >> john king has no dance moves. coming up on "new day," it

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welcome back. for all the stories about what we can't find here's a story about what they may have actually found. could be a huge historical discovery. after some 500 years, the "santa mar maria" the boat christopher columbus took to the new world may finally have been found. where? off the coast of haiti. barry clifford joins us now, marine archaeologist. he's an investigator. and he led the team that claims

to have found it. i'm going have to check you, barry. no, it's great to have you here. you got a book. we've got a diagram. let's take a look. so, take me through. this is where and why, take me through all of it. >> the key to the riddle is the distance that columbus described in his diario, which was transcribed on where he built his fort. he said the day after he wrecked his ship that they fit a fort on land. and he said that that was a league and a half, which is 4.7 miles from navidad, the fort. someone is telling me exactly where to look except the fort that previous historians and explore weers -- >> how did they know it in haiti? >> because it's in columbus' dario.

>> this is really the only thing that's existed in the dario. the riddle of the dario is solving the dario, solving columbus' words because he was writing this knowing that the queen and the king would be dissecting every word when he came back. and if he made a mistake he had to cover himself in the dario. there's a lot of confusion. >> i get the whole da vinci code thing. it's exciting. why did he think he was here and he was here. >> because he drew a map. it's the only thing that exists today, is the map that columbus drew. and he says, navidad on that map. but that's, you know, a rough drawing. >> what do you think? we've got the red zone. that's the search area. based on what he said? >> no. navidad, according to previous explorers, includinged win link and samuel elliott morrison, the great historian from harvard, thought it was here. so they extrapolated a distance of a league and a half, which is 4.7 miles. an arc. and everywhere from

approximately list distance, let's say they search fred here to here. that's where they felt the ship was. except, except that's not where navidad is. dr. kathy deegan from the university of florida expedition with us in 2003 discovered are where navidad is. two miles further to the west. so when you extrapolate a league and a half out into the bay of cap-haitien, exactly a league and a half from navidad, and well beyond anything else, we found a pile of stones. what you're looking for -- this is not nuclear physics. we look all over the world under deep -- >> can i go? >> yeah. >> you're under water. searching around. what do you see? >> ear lookiwe're looking for a of stones that like fell out of the dump truck. stones from the iberian peninsula do not belong on top of a coral reef.

something about the size of two football fields. take yankee stadium, dump a big giant pile of stones in the middle of it, it's not comp my t indicated. it's not buried in sand. it's just understanding what columbus said. >> why were the iberian stones on the "santa maria"? >> because the ship was built in spain. >> there were stones used to build ships? >> no, the stones were put in the bottom of the ship. several tons of stones were put in the bottom of the ship for balance. >> so you get down there. do you find the stone snsz what do you think you found that makes you found it? >> this object parallel to the stones looks like a tube. it's open at both ends. >> shazam! >> what do you think it is? >> i know what it is. >> what is it? >> well, originally it was misdiagnosed by our archaeological team and it

looked like a tube. my son brandon, the first one to dive on the wreck in 20003 said, dad, there's a really old looking cannon. >> cannon. >> and then it was mist misdiagnosed as a tube. make a long story short, the site was aboandoned. we went to another location. went several weeks working on it. it turned out wrong. in 2012 i woke up in the middle of the night after studying 15th century armory and went, oh, my god. long bars are open at both ends. >> what's that? >> a cannon. and the smaller end here which is where the cannonball exits from. this end is where the cannonball and gunpowder is loaded. behind that is what you call a breach pin. you put the cannonba nanonball gunpowder into the longbard. you put a brace behind this. this is on top of a gun carriage and the gun carriage has a wheel. okay?

this is -- i think there's been less than a dozen of these lombards found in the western hemisphere. what are this chances the it's going to be exactly the distance that columbus described from -- in his dario. he also said that there were huge sets ofdescribed. he write -- they were only there seven days. they would have written, because they would have been smashed. but there is a little sandy spot between the breakers and columbus also described that the ship went aground so quietly in the middle of the night. >> sandy bottom. right? >> you're hired. >> i feel good about it. strong. >> that's exactly -- i'm sure -- i know you're -- i know you're buddies too. so they have -- so he comes aground. and at 11:00 at night, they all go to bed, because they felt confident they had been up for a couple days before, partying.

columbus said the water was calm, water in a bowl. everybody went to bed. something columbus never did. they turned the ship over to the ship's buoy. and one hour later at exactly midnight on christmas eve, the traditional moment of the christian savior's birth, a ship named for the mother of christ, captained by a man's name who means cross bearer or christ bearer, wrecks in the new world. so quietly, it didn't wake anybody up. sand. that's exactly where we found these 15th century artifacts. again, if this is the math on this is overwhelming. what's the chance of finding a lombard? >> small. >> a wheel -- actually, another wheel and then a very large wheel that was used to transport cannon's on land. >> this is fascinating. i had to hear the story, amazing. and i want you to come back when we get the next chapter of what you're able to bring up and verify. this is so cool. great to see history being made and have man with us here. >> thank you so much.

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good morning, welcome once again to "new day." breaking news. the desperate search for survivors amid a mine disaster in turkey. 230 people are dead. another 200 are still believed to be trapped almost a mile underground. >> you're watching what's been happening overnight. rescues working to free the miners trapped down there. some moments of hope. crowds cheering as an obvious situation occurs. they're pulling someone out alive. there haven't been enough of those moments. they're battling fire underground. they're battling -- not understanding where the trapped miners are. and, of course, they're battling time. let's bring in senior international correspondent, ivan watson. he has the latest on the scene in soma, turkey. ivan. >> reporter: chris, this is the gritty coal mine where this race against time is underway. according to turkish government statistics, more than 90 miners

have been rescued from beneath the mountain since this fire broke out during a shift change, deep beneath the surface of the earth on tuesday. but according to the turkish prime minister, who has cancelled an international trip and just visited the scene here, the death toll has now tragically grown to 232 miners killed as a result of this fire. it is clearly one of the deadliest mining incidents in turkish modern history. now, the fire broke out, we're hearing, at depths of perhaps more than a mile beneath the surface, and of course, one of the biggest causes of death, we're hearing thus far is as a result of smoke inhalation, carbon monoxide poisoning, because, of course, the supply of clean air runs out. the authorities say they're trying to pump clean air into there, but as of this morning, we're hearing from a turkish lawmaker that fires were still raging there, and blocking rescue workers from being able to reach down into there. and we don't even have concrete

figures of how many workers were down there when the fire first broke out. so this is hitting the community here in these mountains of western turkey hard. in the nearby city of soma, there are quite literally thousands of residents lining the streets behind police barriers outside the main hospital, desperate for news about their missing loved ones. we'll be keeping a very close eye on this desperate situation. chris? >> just about all the families there, and somehow connected to what's going on deep underground. we understand that they're shooting oxygen down there, air down there, but they don't really know where the fire is, so they don't know whether they're feeding the fire or feeding the trapped survivors. what are they telling you about the level of optimism? >> reporter: one lawmaker, i said, he really fears this death toll will continue to grow. and, of course, the people who have gathered on the hills around here in these woods, it's

dusty, it's dirty here. the size of this operation is massive. entire tops of mountains have been removed by what has clearly been an operation going on for years, if not decades here. you can just see the anxiety on people's faces. they're pratt to find out their loved ones will emerge from this. and here is the really sad thing here, just about two-and-a-half weeks ago, chris, a lawmaker from this region had fired a motion in parliament to investigate reports of safety hazards at this very mine and that motion was overturned by a majority of lawmakers in the turkish parliament. who knows, maybe things could have been different if it had been approved. chris. >> if people don't make it out of that mine, as that starts to spread and anger starts to grow, they're going to be dealing with a different kind of explosion there, especially specifically those lawmakers. ivan, thank you. we'll check back in with you. kate? >> thanks, chris. also this morning, new fears. a mysterious and potentially deadly virus is spreading notice

the united states. about 20 health care workers in orlando may have been exposed to mers, short for middle east respiratory syndrome. the concern there comes after health care workers treated a patient with the virus. two of the workers are undergoing further testing right now after showing symptoms. the virus was first detected in saudi arabia, and defense secretary you see there, chuck hagel, he arrived this morning for a meeting where thermal meters were used to try and detect the virus. clearly, they're taking this very seriously. we're joined now by dr. william shatner, dr. at vanderbilt medical center, focusing on preventative medicine. thank you for taking the time this morning. we know that the world health organization is on alert, taking this seriously. we know -- just talked about those 20 health care workers who may have been exposed. how concerned should people be, especially if they're heading to the hospital? >> well, actually, fortunately, this is not a virus that is

spread readily in the community. it is spread in the context of providing health care. that's very important. and it has occasionally spread in saudi arabia from one family member to another. it requires close, constant, over time exposure. so the average person in the community need not be exposed. but it's important to use good infection control precautions when caring for such patients. >> let's talk about what that means for the hospital and then let's talk about what that means for the individual. you say it takes close person-to-person contact. the concern is that if this is brought over from overseas, that we could be seeing really the first transfer within the united states, because of person-to-person contact. how do hospitals, especially emergency rooms, that really are the first line of defense, how do they need to be operating differently? what do they need to do with this information? >> well, for the last two years, since we've had mers in the

middle east, emergency room personnel, infectious disease doctors such as myself and others, have been alert. anyone who comes in with respiratory symptoms is asked right away, have you traveled or have you had contact with someone who has traveled to the middle east. if the answer is yes, you put that person in isolation, get specimens, send those to the cdc for further testing. that system is working. these two patients that had come to the united states from saudi arabia and became ill were detected really quite quickly. and were put in isolation. now we do have some exposed patients, health care workers, that is, in orlando. and they're now being watched very carefully. >> and doctor, the thing that is so scary about this, while it does require close contact in order to contract the virus, it also, we know that it's -- in 30% of the cases when you're infected, that can be fatal. that's what is scary about this for everyone watching at home. what do folks need to know? how can they be careful.

how can they protect themselves from this? >> well, let's just emphasize. this is not a virus that spreads readily in the community. we had the importation in indiana. there is no spread there. so far, we're monitoring people in orlando. people around the country who work in emergency rooms are alert to this. that's what people ought to know. the system is working. public health was immediately notified. there's good collaboration to monitor those folks in orlando. the system is working very well at the present time. >> and in order to just in general, what should folks know? since it is in the family of the sars virus, something kind of related to the cold, is it this -- unfortunately, there is no silver bullet in how to protect yourself 100% of the time for any of this stuff. does it get back to simply being diligent about washing your hands? >> oh, washing your hands is always very good. avoiding people who are coughing and sneezing. and, of course, if you've

traveled to an area of the world where mers is active and you become sick, immediately let your doctor know about that. >> absolutely right. that's always the scary thing is that the symptoms start off as something similar that we always are used to, and it's where you've been is when you need to be concerned of what could happen next. dr. william shatner, thank you very much for your help in understanding what to do and what to watch out for. appreciate it. let's get over to don lemon now in for michaela. >> thank you very much. we want to tell you about a frightening scene for some parents in upstate new york. and it all happened in their own backyard. three children in an inflatable bounce house were swept away by a wind storm while playing inside. look at this. look at this terrifying photo. that blue dot soaring high is an inflatable balloon house. neighbors say a gust of wind blew the bouncy castle in upstate new york right off the front yard. three children playing inside were sent flying two stories into the sky. soaring over a stretch of trees

and this apartment complex. >> the first little boy came out, landed in the middle of the road right there. and then the other little boy came down, hit his head off the back of my car right there, and then he landed on the ground. >> a 10-year-old girl escaping with only scrapes. the two boys still hospitalized. one reportedly suffering two broken arms, and the other a serious head injury. >> his face and whole front of his body was covered in blood. >>. >> this isn't the first time the birthday party favorites have been sent airborne. back in 2011, a heavy gust of wind blew this inflatable slide like a tumble weed, flying across a long island soccer field and landing on a crowd below, injuring 13. that same year in tucson, arizona, wind whipped this bouncy castle up in the air at a fifth grade graduation party, wrapping it around a light pole. horrified neighbors of this accident say the castle was assembled correctly and staked into the ground.

chkt the parents were out there too. and anything that could have been done wrong wasn't. everything was done properly. >> so the company is called little times, maker of the bounce house and issued a statement providing safe and wholesome play experiences is of utmost importance to little times. we are looking into what happened, and our thoughts and prayers are with the children and their families. and as kate was saying, this does happen. >> scary. >> it is. and it's just air and plastic. when the wind gets it -- >> it's a big balloon. >> it's a big balloon. >> exactly right. and they're very popular. i had them as a kid. >> i remember we had them at our house as a kid, too. >> almost every other weekend during birthday season. kids love them. >> careful. >> i love them. >> ooh. chris in one of those things, now, that's a hazard. >> keep it down, that's for sure. ballast. >> that's what i was going to say. coming up next on "new day," magic johnson the target of donald sterling's racist rants

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says he would have remained silent, but when sterling discussed the african-american community, magic says he had to speak up. and here's what he had to say to anderson cooper. >> it was sort of disappointing. but i had to respond in terms of, okay, you don't want me to come to your games. i won't come to your games. you don't have to worry about that. but also, i was upset because he threw minorities in, african-americans, latinos, into this situation. and so i had to speak up. look, i'm one of the leaders of the black community. so i can't let anybody attack our people and not respond. and so that's why i responded. >> when -- first of all, you said you were photographed with v. stiviano. you're probably photographed with -- >> millions of people. >> he claimed in this interview i did with him the other day, he said you knew her, you knew her well. >> these are the facts, anderson. i never met this young lady. i took a picture with her. it looked like at a dodger game. that's it. that's all i know of her. you know, and then he says i'm

trying to set him up. how am i trying to set you up? he asked me to go on the bar barbara walters show with him. >> a week and a half ago. because he met with barbara walters on a friday. >> it was before that. i told him i wouldn't do it. i said the number one thing you need to do, which you haven't done, is apologize to everybody and myself. i'll get to that, i'll get to that. >> so he wanted you to go on with barbara walters, sitting next to him? >> sitting next to him. >> to kind of give him cover? >> exactly. so i said no. then i told him, i said, donald, you should consult with your attorneys. i said this thing is a big thing. and you should deal with your attorneys and let them advise you on what to do. but i said, you need to go public and apologize to everybody. >> how did he respond? >> well, i'll apologize later. but i want you to go on this show. he was adamant about me going on this show with him. and i told him no, i wouldn't do it. and that's what happened. this is really weird.

i'm really disturbed by the fact that, you know, he -- when he called me, he should have said, "magic, i'm sorry." >> right, i asked him specifically if he apologized to you and he said no. >> no. >> it seemed like a surprise to him that he would actually be expected to make an apology to you. >> well, he's the one who said don't brimagic to my games. so, you know, he's the one who made these comments. so i was expecting at least an apology. and the american public wanted an apology. he finally did that. but this is -- it's sad. when i saw the interview, it's sad. it really is. i'm going to pray for this young man. i hope donald can see the mistake that he has made, and also the people he has hurt along the way. and then what's really sad, you know, it's not about me. this is about the woman you love outing you and taping you and putting your -- putting your

conversation out here for everybody to know. that wasn't me. i didn't do that. i don't know this young lady. this is between you two. but then he wants to include me. and i'm not included in this situation. and then he wants to -- you know, ask me what i've done, you know in the minority community. that's well-documented, what i've done. >> so what is the impact of this? let's bring in jerome williams, retired nba player and global sports ambassador and david cornwell, sports attorney from gordon and reese llp. let me start with you, counselor. magic johnson did not have to do this interview. this is not about him, as he says. but what value do you think it provided, hearing from him? >> magic johnson, the basketball player, has another triple double. earvin johnson, rebutted donald sterling's racist rant by his mere presence. and, you know, it's almost

unfortunate that magic had to do the interview to -- he ended up almost dignity and he certainly responded and knocked the ball out of the park. he made it clear, he's right, sterling is wrong. >> jerome williams, not only a player for a long time, vp of the players' union. in terms of how the players will see any chance of saving donald sterling in the league. when they hear that he didn't apologize to magic johnson but asked him to go on a tv show, is that the death sentence? >> yeah. that's going to resonate with the players. and, you know, to say that donald sterling has really, you know, set himself up for disasters is an understatement. i mean, here's a guy who has now -- we have heard from magic and his point of view and what happened and what took place.

and it just paints this picture of a guy who lies, who isn't very honest, who is trying to wiggle out of a hole he just can't get out of. it's very unfortunate. i really do side with magic johnson, just praying for this man, this individual, who, you know, obviously has some issues that people have known about. and i again just reiterate, you know, the players' solidarity and unifiedness with staying with the commissioner on this issue of being banned for life. >> whom to agree with is somewhat easy in it this situation, the way it sets up right now. what to do about it gets a little bit more complicated. and i say that, david cornwell, because you had the owners meet yesterday but pretty quickly adjourned and said we'll meet again next week, no vote. what does that indicate? >> i think that the owners recognize that we are in the kind of highly highlight of the

nba season. and the more they do about donald sterling, the more they take the focus away from the game. so i don't think that we're actually going to have a final vote on sterling's status as an owner until after the nba finals. i certainly wouldn't do it if i were the nba owners. i wouldn't take the attention away from these great playoffs and put it on this man. he doesn't deserve the focus. >> okay. counter point that i'll put to you jerome williams. donald sterling doesn't deserve the attention. but the issue does. but making a statement about what is tolerated and who we are as a people and a culture, as reflected by what we respect and make out of bounds in the nba does. so do you think that the owners should be acting now? >> well, i definitely feel as though they should act. but it's a double-edged sword. i mean, the nba playoffs should be getting all the attention. magic said it best. he, you know -- us taking our time for donald sterling and away from this great game that

has been built in these exciting playoffs. last night's game with okc and l.a. clippers was a phenomenal finish. but here this morning we're talking about donald sterling. i think that it is playing a major role in these playoffs, because race in this country has always been a defining moment, a defining conversation for generations. and it seems this 80-year-old man has definitely put his stamp on this mark of this great game because of his comments that were recorded. and it's really put us in a bad spot, i believe. >> all right. jerome williams, david cornwell, i appreciate the perspective this morning. we'll all be watching the games, of course. and they have been awesome. but this issue looms large, and the action on it is going to be importantel sw. gentlemen, thank you very much. now, you want to look it at this situation, you have magic, you have donald sterling, you want to hear from both, what makes more sense, you'll have

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. >> joining us is now is tracy, ready for hillary, democratic communication strategist and mr. kevin madden, cnn political commentator and republican strategist. kevin madden, good to see you, my friend. >> good to see you, chris. >> she wasn't in the hospital 30 days. she was in the hospital three days. there are no special tbi glasses. i mean, i hate that i'm -- this is working. it's working, because i'm talking to you about it. but hopefully we use the opportunity to condemn when someone has gone too far. can you defend what he said? >> well, look, i think it was a rather awkward and as you pointed out, an erroneous statement he made. but i don't think it was -- an intentional one designed to in any way bring hillary clinton's health into the conversation in a negative way. i think it was a very awkward attempt at making a pretty obvious point, which is that noncandidates, which hillary clinton technically is, they don't get a level of scrutiny that official candidates in a

2016 race might get. and that when you do enter into a race, that level of scrutiny requires that you have to answer some tough questions that you haven't answered in the past about your health, about your finances, about past statements. so i think if anything, karl rove was making a point that should hillary clinton decide or even going through the stanls stages of deciding, these are the type of things she is going to have to consider as she looks at a prospective 2016 campaign. >> take me to the other side, tracy. >> there are several truths here. the first is, at any point in the election cycle, a lie from karl rove is a lie from karl rove. that's -- that's what we're talking about here. the other truth are that there continue to be over the years, over these election cycles, when karl rove engages in one of these fiendish tricks, there is a positive correlation between how others react to that. and what i mean is, you have continuing, growing, strong and earnest support for hillary

clinton that in these past few days has only continued to grow. this weekend, for example, she released a wonderful excerpt from her memoir, a very warm, poignant conversation about being a mother, being a daughter. and that's the hillary clinton that people respond to. when karl rove attacks, that enthusiasm for her only grows. these are the truths that we're dealing with. >> hoisted on one's own pitard, a bomb you strap on and blows up before you wound up doing the damage you wanted to do. is this going to be a situation like that, do you think, kevin? >> well, look. i think as tracy points out, this is what democrats like. they like to run against a -- as they say, a fiendish character like karl rove. they like to engender a lot of sympathy, not only in their base, but among some of the voters that haven't yet made up their mind. the reach we're talking about this today has less too with whether or not the facts related

to hillary clinton's health. it has to do with the fact that while hillary clinton is not an official candidate, her organization and her supporters, they're acting like one. they seized on this as an opportunity to drive a contrast with someone like karl rove, to express some outrage and maybe engender some sympathy for hillary clinton. and also, you know, late yesterday afternoon, some democrat organizations were raising money on this, by pointing out that karl rove is up to his old tricks again. if anything, you're seeing a democrat machine that does support hillary clinton, uses this as an opportunity. >> raising money on this. is that worse than raising money on benghazi, kevin madden? >> i'm not judging it. i think that when political organizations feel they have a message to get out to supporters, and that that support can come in terms of money or whether it's voicing their opinion of support, i think that's all part of the political system. >> the point is, no party has the market cornered when it comes to dirty tricks. this seems to be one playing out right now. let me ask you this, tracy.

is this the price of you guys playing this game of not committing to the election? you know, if you don't come out and just say, yes, of course, we're running, you are going to start taking more pot shots, because people think you're getting a pass. >> well, there is no game being played here. this is a serious and earnest effort to mobilize millions of supporters of hillary clinton. so that if she does decide to run, she has that army of support behind her immediately. that's not a game. that's a very serious and earnest attempt to be prepared for what obviously is going to be a tough election cycle, should she decide to run. the substance of karl rove's lies are so offensive and so deeply insulting on so many levels, that if anyone is playing a game, it's him. and in this case, it's backfiring. and i'm glad to be able to say that as emphatically as many believe. >> as i let you guys go, any idea when you will announce she is running and make the campaign

official? >> yeah. tracy, make some news. >> will definitely have the opportunity to speak about her forthcoming book. i know i'm really looking forward to reading it, if her excerpt on mother's day was any indication. it's going to be a tremendous read. she has a tremendous story to tell. and she has tremendous gifts to offer to this country. >> that wasn't even close to an answer to my question, tracy. but it was very good pushing the book. you see both parties can play the game very well. >> i'm looking forward to that book. i've got to say. >> of course you are. you're working for hillary. >> so are republican opposition researchers, tracy. >> working for hillary is a completely independent super pac. we're not working for hillary clinton, we're supporting her. >> we're all going to read the book. the point is, we want the game to be played better and more fairly than in the past, and that's why we're trying to check karl rove and want hillary to commit. let's try to keep the games to a minimum. >> let's talk about that in our book club. >> great. i'll see you at the book club. thank you very much to both of

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welcome back to "new day." president obama and the first lady heading to new york in advance of the long-awaited opening of the national september 11th memorial museum at ground zero. we've got a sneak peek inside the museum, which chronicles that day, the lives lost and the heroes that emerged. >> these tridents were from the north tower, covered in the aftermath of the attacks. we brought them back here and basically built the museum around them. >> nearly 13 years after terrorists destroyed the twin towers, killing almost 3,000 people, the 9/11 memorial museum is set to open. a commemoration of the day america changed forever. you're not whitewashing it.

this is the raw, dirty material. >> exactly. this is the steel that bore the attacks. >> the museum is built almost entirely underground, some 70 feet down. it sits in the precise footprint of the world trade center. >> this is exactly where the south tower started, and went up 1,350 feet. >> a striking display of the sheer scale of the destruction with poignant reminders of the tragedy at every turn. >> this is unbelievable. >> this is actually the front of this fire truck. this is the cab. >> you wouldn't know. >> wouldn't know. and it's completely burned out and destroyed. >> then there's the retaining wall that remarkably held strong, even when the towers fell. >> when the towers came down, all that debris that was here right in this space provided bracing for that wall. and when that debris was clear, there was a big concern the wall would breach, would flood lower manhattan. >> it could have been so much

worse. but this wall held under all of that pressure. visitors will also walk alongside the survivor stairs. >> used by hundreds of people as the buildings are crumbling, running from the dust cloud, to escape to safety. and it's for all our visitors to understand the story of survival. >> and likely one of the most emotional stops in the museum, this art installation mimics the blue sky on that fateful morning. behind it, the still unidentified remains of 9/11 victims. the move met with mixed emotion from their families. >> still shocking statistic is that 1,100 family members never got any human remains back to bury. never got to go through the ritual of laying their loved ones to rest. it's not a public space at all. only family members are allowed back behind the wall. >> right next door, a room dedicated to the lives of those lost. >> adjacent to this is the reflection room, which is so important, and why we can't show it and won't show it is because

the families get to see it first. >> exactly. that room is an area called in memoriam. and it's a photographic portrait of each and every one of the 2,983 victims. you see pictures, a father coaching his son's little league team. a wedding. you see the lives lost that day, and not just about how they died. it's who these people were. >> throughout the museum, chilling reminders of the day. handmade flyers for the missing. a cross emerging from the wreckage. everyday items simply left behind. >> we help through these artifacts and images tell the story. it was panic, and people were getting out as fast as they could. >> and it's not just the shoes. it tells -- the shoes worn by this woman, linda, you're telling everything about that day. and while the museum is vast, one small exhibit has been the biggest source of controversy. its focus, the terrorists themselves. including a film criticized for not making a clear enough

distinction between islam and al qaeda. >> there has been a lot of criticism. why give any time to the terrorists? >> you know, it's one way to look at it is you don't build a holocaust museum and not be very clear that the nazis were the ones who committed those atrocities. al qaeda was an extremist, terrorist group that essentially bastardized that religion for their own purposes. but no one will come through this exhibit and in any way think that we are indicting an entire religion, which we in no way are. >> it seems very appropriate that you end here. at the last call. >> and it's, again, goes right back to resiliency, seeing those messages of hope, and remembrance on this very tall column that's still standing strong. >> and that last column, of course, is the last piece of steel really standing after the towers fell. the president, the first lady, they're going to tour the museum. they're going to go through the experience before the president is expected to speak at this

dedication ceremony. that's tomorrow and then it opens to the general public next week. >> as a jaded new yorker, you feel you've seen everything, i cannot wait to see this. and you said take your time. >> take your time. they estimate on average it will take people -- visitors about two hours to make it through the museum. it's a huge amount of space. you should take a lot of time. and you'll be surprised. i venture to guess. what triggers emotions that will come back. >> to me, i think it will be the jumpers. even the planes going -- i know it's terrible. people hate to see those planes, but the jumpers. we don't sew that on television. >> it is included in the museum. it's a very difficult thing and they said it was a difficult decision, what to show and not. they do show the video of people jumping from the towers. it is hidden behind a wall. you need to make a conscience effort to go see it if you want to, because they understand the sensitivities. they thought it was important to show what people -- what the position was that people were put in, and had to make that decision. there's warnings throughout. >> people have very different reactions. you know? >> absolutely. >> for you, you're on it with

fresh eyes. you didn't have to cover it at that time. being down in philly. but those who lived through it, the families, they're going to have one set of feelings, especially if they're waiting for remains and now they're in some museum instead of in their private possession. and for those who lived it, it will be interesting to me to see what the -- what the approach is for people. i've been down there several times. it's gone through several times of development and stoppage. but it is very powerful. there's nothing else that we as a nation have experienced like it. >> yeah. >> and it will be interesting to see who is going. you know? and what the takeaway is from it. they have put a lot of thought into it. >> and there is also uh a museum, you realize -- that there isn't a museum like it or an experience like it, where there is such a collective connection to it. and it does feel so real. because everyone did live through it in some way. some of the artifacts you will -- i'll tell you, you'll be

surprised what hits you. seeing the eyeglasses that were -- burned. that really hit me. because there's -- my husband -- my husband, before i met him, he had to -- when -- he had to flee from the deutsche bank building. that was the story, he had to leave his eyeglasses behind and never recovered it. and it's just one of those things that triggers a memory and emotion. >> tough for someone who has to live through it. of when we looked at the wall of the missing, three of my pals were still up there. so you never know what it's going to be. but it was important they took the time to do it. >> and in general -- opens to the general public next week. >> check it out for yourself. we're going to take a quick break here on "new day." see you back after the commercial. i always say be the man with the plan

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♪ you know, this is a fight that the internet just can't stop talking about. really, everybody can't stop talking about. security video showing beyonce's sister, solange, allegedly attacking jay-z in an elevator and now the elite new york hotel where the video was taken says it is investigating how it was leaked. faz o, author of "concierge el - confidential" and senior editor at the "wall street journal." does anybody know what happened here? >> i've got to rain on the parade a little bit here. i don't know what happened in the elevator. what's more, i don't care. i think the core of the story is not really a story. and the real story really is -- and we're going to see more and more stories of this sort based on surveillance videos, the cameras everywhere these days

and even the media needs to do a better job deciding what a story is, and whether it's worth doing segments and stories about it. >> i have to disagree. i think it's a story because of the interest. that's all anyone is talking about. you can mention any other story and they'll say what do you think happened on that elevator with bee yoenls. >> people are interested in pornography too, and we don't always cover that. donald sterling is a story. >> that doesn't mean it's news worthy. you have celebrities in an elevator fighting. >> i think there are things around the story that may be newsworthy. for example, hotel security. >> the video. you have two of the biggest stars in the world in an elevator with a sister who is pummelling the husband. that -- you're going to tell me that's not newsworthy? come on, brother. >> yes, i'm going to say it's not newsworthy. >> you're crazy. >> and here's why. >> tell us why. >> we're going to see more and more stories of this sort where

people have hotel surveillance of people, where they have found camera footage, drop cams everywhere. and what about that story is newsworthy? we'll never know what really happened between solange and beyonce. >> do you mean newsworthy, or do you mean how it is procured? >> how it is procured, without a doubt. >> no. we get to what aspect is newsworthy. the family dysfunction, if there is any, i don't think that's a story. the story how this affects maybe jay-z and beyonce's upcoming tour, maybe that's a story. the story how it affects solange's own solo tour, maybe that's a story. >> we've got to talk about that aspect of the other part of the story, which is how this was procured and what a problem this could be for the standard hotel. >> that's the story. >> the standard is immune, because it's andre bilaz. >> the developer and proprietor. >> just as famous -- famous people stay in his hotels. i think the problem here, as we

become more attracted and celebrities become more attracted to these cool, trendy places, we have to remember that it's still hospitality and you don't cross the line. and even though it's casual and cool and everybody is really hip, you still have to abide by those hospitality standards. where what happens in the hotel stays in the hotel. >> what does the standard need to do? >> money. money is why they're releasing the tape. somebody got their hands on the tape. >> what should the standard do? >> there is not a culture of service there, maybe. this doesn't always happen in these iconic legacy brands like the ritz carlton or the four seasons where plenty of stuff is going on in the elevator, as well. >> i don't think it will affect the standard -- the standard will be the last place anything is leaked. i think they will make sure of that now. >> absolutely. >> how do you do that? there is the incentive, the money. >> because it -- it starts with remembering that we're in hospitality and it's a culture of service. >> think about where you put cameras also, maybe. >> the cameras need to be there just in case. the thing is, this was a breach of security. the only people who have access to view that are security guards

in the hotel. >> this is not going to be hard to find out who did it. >> well, i'm not a detective, but i think it would be easy. >> it's going to be hard. >> he'll have to fire some people to get it out. do you think that the david -- donald sterling story isn't a story because of how the tape was procured? >> no, it doesn't have to do with how it was procured. it has to do with what the tape was about. racism. owner of a team. in this particular case, oh owe. >> the private lives of celebrities? >> people are interested in this story because beyonce has done a great job of keeping people out. able to release a whole album and we didn't know until the album came out. now there is this tape -- >> it doesn't mean -- >> we're all feeling -- >> they're interested because there was a fight on the elevator and big stars. >> caught on tape. >> it was a fight. >> what the heck set solange off. that's the story. >> and i'm saying we're going to see more and more things like that and just because it's a hash tag doesn't necessarily mean it's worthy -- >> it's not the hash tag. people are interested. i want to know, everyone wants to know, what set solange off.

what is going on in her world? does she have issues? how is it going to affect her career? >> i don't care what's going on in her world. >> you don't. but everybody else does. >> i care about the launch of her solo career. >> i don't care about the launch of her career at all. >> i don't care -- what's going on in solange's world. >> you're placing a high bar that is clearly not observed, certainly by the entertainment media, but the media overall. >> saying i don't care about solange's career? >> no, saying i don't care about a fist fight involving beyonce's sister and her husband. >> right. what happens about solange's career -- is that that is all pr-driven. this is a very real moment that makes people care about it. her career is going to -- the album is going to drop here. how do we do this, where do we have to get her in order to promote this album. we all get that. >> don, let's ask it this way. michael -- >> yes. . as not a member of the media,

as -- from your position, watching this, do you think, aside from the standard hotel aspect of this, is it news? do you find it interesting? worthy of discussing or knowing more about? >> okay. the truth, not really. and i'll tell you why can. the people who are really famous in that elevator behaved beautifully. why? because they're professionals. i work in hotels long enough to know, when they're in the lobby, they know they're on camera. when they're in the elevator, hallway, they know they're on camera. and that's why they book three rooms on three floors, the decoy rooms. what happens in their room, we really don't know. >> which says a lot about who those people are, the way they reacted. really does. >> very poised. >> and i'm going to continue keeping that bar -- >> you fight until the end. >> the low bar, most americans -- >> i should have said it that way. it's not that i don't care, it's just that's all pr-driven. and when you see a real moment, that happens, oh, they've broken -- >> i like your bar. i wish it were the reality.

but i don't know that people -- agree with you. >> keep doing chin-ups to try to stay at that bar. >> i wish it were the truth and i wish i didn't have to cover it. thank you. >> thank you, that was good. coming up, rescuers are frantically right now trying to find hundreds of people trapped underground after a mine disaster in turkey. the news room will be back with the latest right after the break. i'm randy and i quit smoking with chantix. for 33 years i chose to keep smoking... ...because it was easier to smoke than it was to quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it's a non-nicotine pill. chantix reduced the urge for me to smoke. it actually caught me by surprise. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you develop these, stop chantix and see your doctor right away as some could be

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