lot more of this. eric barber thank you very much for explaining this very complicated technology to us. "ac360" starts right now. good evening. break being news. was it something he said? nba officials take the next step to bounce donald sterling and say our exclusive interview with him is one more reason why he has to go. the heat reaching the white house on the va hospital scandal. new questions and nuances what president obama knew. the spear fischerman that never bhe in -- never bargained on this. >> the nba commission is working on stripping donald sterling from the team he owned.

here with details rachel nichols and our senior legal analyst. the statement from the nba, walk us through. they are not only laying out a timeline for action against sterling they also detail the charges against him. >> absolutely. these are the official charges against donald sterling, this is what we've been waiting for since adam silver came out and gave that press conference saying he was going to pressure the nba ownership to force donald sterling to give up his team. first they had to notify him. sterling has five days from today to respond. he's going to do that legally, we wekt hexpect him go to the c system, file a temporary court injunction. he'll try to get a small victory. if he doesn't, if he does respond to those charges within the five day period then the nba has ten days after that to hold this hearing. guess what, anderson?

they are not waiting that long. they announced they will hold a hearing on june 3rd and that's when the board of governors will vote to strip him of i had team. they also said in this announcement why they are going to do that. we all know the reasons we've been following this story for weeks. they cite basically the damage that he has done with his comments against minorities to the nba as a league, the damage that he's done to the league's relationship with its fans and the damage he's done to the league's reputation. >> the nba in their comments, they cite not only the original statements but something that he said to me in our interview and i want to play that for our viewers. >> that's one problem i have. jews, when they get successful, they will help their people. and some of the african-american, maybe i'll get in trouble again, they don't want to help anybody. so maybe i'll get in trouble again. >> what he said there's a violation in the nba constitution.

>> according to the -- according to the document released today. the general thrust of the argument is that this was not just something that interfered with -- that was bad politics, it was interfering with the business of the nba. if you look at the statement the nba released they emphasized the fact that sponsors are leaving, players are threatening not to play, that the financial interests of the nba are hurt and that's why they are making this move. >> rachel, donald sterling told me last week he spoke to some of the owners and claimed they supported him but he wouldn't say anybody -- he wouldn't give me the name of anybody who supported him. is there any doubt that toners will to vote remove him? >> you know, there's some chatter in private, some owners saying that they were a little bit concerned even publicly, mark cuban the owner of the dallas mavericks was a little bit worried about the slippery slope of a private tape recording being made public and owners put on trial for the

private conversations they had. honestly, anderson, the conversations i've had around the league in the past week say that your interview basically cleared everyone's conscience. any owners concerned about kicking someone out because of a private tape now feel more comfortable. now strlg sterling went on tv with you and made statements that were abhor renrent. shelly sterling, donald's wife made clear they intend to sue and shelly went as far as to directly atlantaened she wants to get the other owners into depositions asking them about private lives and conversations to compare what we did is so bad. that's a concept a lot of other owners are not crazy about. none of them want to be the person who stood up with donald sterling. adam silver from the nba has put so much public pressure on anyone, no one wants to be that guy. >> jeff corks she do that?

could she get depositions from other owners? >> i doubt it. that's the threat she's got hanging out there. her lawyer released a statement today and said that the nba's filing was actually voluminous. all we saw was the press release. they have a long bill of particulars against the sterlings. they kept referring to membership in the association, that being an owner, not like you own a piece of property, you're a member of an association and we can decide who our members are and who they aren't and we're getting rid of all the sterlings, mr., mrs., baby sterlings, they are all out according to the nba. >> jeff, thanks very much. the crack down on creep wear. software that can turn your computer into a window into your private world using that little camera on a lot of laptops or webcam on your desk to do it. i don't know where we're showing jeff when we talk about that.

the soft ware in question is called black shades. one of the creators and dozens more in 19 countries are now in custody. the software or creep ware may have infected the computers of half a million people including a beauty pageant winner. this is creepy, the idea that a computer in your bedroom or your daughter's bedroom or son's bedroom if it's open could actually be accessed by someone and that camera turned on and someone could be watching your child in their bedroom. pamela brown, reports. >> reporter: reigning teen miss usa cassidy wolf is accustomed to be front and center on the public stage. now she's in the spotlight one again as the virtually cyber. >> ing. there was a notification from her facebook account that alerted. >> i received an e-mail 30 minutes later saying he sent me an e-mail and said what he was doing to me and gave me three

new options and attached three new photos. >> the hacker was someone she had gone to high school with. a college freshman mangering in computer science. wolf wasn't his only victim. according to fbi records, abrams is accused of hacking into as many as 150 computers, taking nude photos of women in order to blackmail them. wolf was among nine known victims in his scheme. fbi officials say abrams gained access to a private space by entering her computer through back door using software better known as creep ware. over the past week 100 people have been arrested on a worldwide crackdown of the users and sellers of black shades. the remote access tool used to break into wolf's computer. >> the rat is inexpensive and simple to use but it's capabilities are sophisticated and it's invasiveness breathtaking. >> reporter: officials say hackers pay as little as $40 for

the software, enough to cost someone's sense of security and privacy. >> this changes the way i use my computer for the rest of my life. joining us now is cassidy wolf. it's brave and important you're speaking out and not be intimidated in this situation and helping so many other people because so many other people can be impacted by this. explain when you first realized what had happened. >> when i first received the e-mail the first night i found this happened i was in shock. >> he sent you a picture. >> he sent me an e-mail with three options. duce i say or i'll release every photo i have of you. >> did you instantly know where the photos were. >> i saw my tv, the way i hung my backpack, i knew it was my bedroom and it was taken from my webcam. >> did you know this person

well? >> i knew his name and i knew him from passing but not personally. >> so what did you first think? how did you first respond? >> oh, my gosh i was speechless. on my iphone i threw my iphone across the room. my mom was in contact me when this was happening. we didn't believe this really could happen. >> so scary. >> i know. it was traumatizing. they are bringing light to an important cause because i know what it feels like. >> you went to police. >> we contacted the police the first night and then contacted the fbi the following day. >> and you hear that, you know, as many as 700,000 victims in this, people who have gone through this. it's incredible. >> it's insane. >> do you have any idea a camera on your computer could be remotely accessed. >> i seen it in movies but i didn't think it happened in real life. >> what's your message to people out there? >> to be cautious of what you're

doing on and around your computer and to keep a sticker on your webcam to delete your browsing history, cookies, be careful with your password. i have a lot of tips. girls and guys my own age feel that's the age group that i want to share my story with because we're the ones that are sort of naive and don't believe this can happen. i have a couple of tips. >> also such a sense of violation in the privacy of your own home, your computer -- >> it's your bedroom. that's your most private intimate space and that's where you should feel the most safe but to think somebody was watching me for a year and i had my most intimate moments and conversations i had with my mom and brother and knew everything about my life, somebody could have access to all of that. >> he could hear what you were saying >> yes. he referred to certain conversations i had with my mom, my brother. >> when you didn't give into his

demands what did he do? >> he lashed out even more. he requested even more. he had a tracker on my e-mail where he could see when i opened my e-mail and i didn't respond to him which i didn't he would send me more emails with time limit fuse don't do what i say in five minutes i'll post every photo i have of you. >> do you have a computer that has a camera on it? >> i got a brand new computer with a astonishing on it. i have my computer shut. i only go on my computer for homework, school or work related. >> you don't keep your laptop one the camera uncovered. >> correct. i learned my lesson. >> incredible. you're really brave for speaking out and helping so many other people. thank you. quick reminder make sure you set your dvr to catch 360 whenever you like. growing questions about what president obama and other top

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he won't sit down and talk to us about it. we've been trying to get an interview with eric shinseki since last november. >> you've been trying for months. >> i didn't get a callback today. again no response to our request. they do not respond. we're again requesting an interview with general shinseki. >> the invitation for general shinseki to come on the program. president obama is said to be mad as hell. both promise to fix the problems. the question is how long have they known something was wrong? >> when was the president first made aware of these problems, of these fraudulent lists that were being kept to hide the wait times. when was he first made aware of those problems and when did other white house officials, top white house officials become aware of these problems. >> when you say these problems, the fact that there have been -- the specific allegations that were reported by your network out of phoenix we learned them

through the reports. >> so "keeping them honest" that may be true in the narrowest sense. this is a widespread practice of fudging the numbers how long has the administration known about that? so, it seems to be boiling down a question presidents are always asked when scandals emerge what did the president know and when. >> that's why jay carney today made clear he was talking about the scandal in phoenix when the president first learned from cnn's report presumably on this program because that's when we first told the story about the secret wait list and allegations that as many as 40 veterans died waiting for care. the other bigger question emerging through all of this is just how long the president and his staff have known about these huge wait lists at va hospitals across the country and the fact that veterans have been dying waiting for care. he certainly talked about it way back in 2007 when he was on the

campaign trail. but a new report, anderson, in the "the washington times" he also knew back in 2008 there was a problem with the wait time data. that's when wait times being reported were unreliable and not to be trusted according to times. the president and his incoming team were briefed about it in that transitional period just before he took office. so while not exactly like our reporting in arizona is certainly similar that's the question why has it taken this so long to do anything about it? >> and just to be clear, there's no proof anyone in the white house knew specifically about the secret listing phoenix ahead of your report? >> no. but did the va know about that in advance and more specifically did the va leadership know about possible destruction of evidence of that list had existed. that we do know as investigators from the office of inspector general have known about the phoenix issue since last fall and an investigation was under way since last fall, and very

recently there have been these allegations that evidence in that investigation was being destroyed. today was the va's deadline to respond to a congressional subpoena to turn over any evidence, emails or reports that discuss what happened in phoenix, material was delivered to congress, anderson. we don't know what's in it. >> all of this has taken place while you say the investigations are expanding? >> yeah. they are expanding. let me remind you what the va secretary eric shinseki told the senate last week about the allegations that va hospitals under his control in hiding the true wait times of veterans waiting for care. the allegation that the va is cooking the books. >> in your judgment, based on what you know, are people quote-unquote cooking the books? is that, in fact, a problem within the health care system? >> i'm not aware other than a number of isolated cases where there is evidence of that. but the fact that there's

evidence in a couple of cases behooves us to take a thorough work. >> there are inspector general investigations and/or allegations of manipulating wait times in at least ten states. the latest albuquerque, new mexico and now gainesville, florida where cnn has confirmed three more health officials have been placed on administrative leave and inspector general investigation is under way. we had several whistle blowers worked in the va as clerks. they were told hide wait times. that may be why general shinseki thinks this is isolated but to a lot of people it's looking more and more systemic and the problem is yet to be fixed. >> appreciate the update. now another troubling first to a virus that looks like the common cold but kills rouflly one in three people. first american person to person transmission emerged or middle

eastern respiratory syndrome. here's the good news the first american patient survived so did the second. he's out of the hospital. bad news. a third person has tested positive for the virus and how he got it that's raising serious concerns. here's with the fact, dr. sanjay gupta. this new case of mers was passed by just a hand shake. does that change everything we think we know about this virus? >> it could, anderson. there's a couple of important caveats here. when we think about this virus spreading only through close contact we mean health care workers or family members. what's very important to point out and you may have heard this new case was someone who did not become ill, they weren't sick, they were screened because they had come in contact with someone that was known have the infection. they didn't become ill themselves. also they didn't find the virus in this third person's body they found what are known as

anti-bodies. it's a clue the virus was there and the body fought it off but didn't find the virus itself. so what's interesting here there could be a lot of people exposed to mers, got mildly ill didn't visibility their doctor and that could be good news. this could mean it's not as serious or as deadly as we had thought. >> what are the symptoms that signal someone could be infected. >> it starts off looking like a cold. people may develop a fever, cover, difficulty with breathing. it can progress into more significant pulmonary, respiratory problems and kidney problems and that seems to be what's causing death in about 30% of people who are documented to have died from this. again, you may have a broader spectrum. there could be people who have a little bit of fever, little bit of cough and people who get deathly ill. >> a third of the people that contracted mers that have died

you're saying that statistic may not tell the whole story. >> this is interesting. this comes up in public health all the time. the first numbers you hear with something like this hard lew are ever the complete stories. we crunch the numbers. about 614 people have documented inspection. 180 have died. about 29% mortality. scary number. those are the people who got tested because they were sick and they were of concern. if there's a lot more people out there, anderson, who have been exposed to the mers virus, but only had mild symptoms or no symptom at all maybe the denominator isn't 614, maybe it's 76,000 or 600,000. if that's the case the mortality comes way down. we've seen it with other viruses that we thought were far more deadly but then realized it's affecting a lot more people many of whom didn't get sick or just mildly sick. >> how can people protect themselves. what you're saying you don't want to give the sense this is something everybody will come in to contact with and therefore

needs to protect themselves from. what should people do if anything? >> the basic rule still applies with regard to -- you hear about this particular case, a sick person shook hands with somebody, and maybe as a result a person became infected. wash your hands, obviously, not touching your hands to your eyes, nose, mouth. >> what is it sing "happy birthday" while you wash your hands. >> sing it twice. >> thanks very much. as always you can find out more on the story at cnn.com. up next incredible video of a diver's close call with a great white shark. how he kept his cool. he joins me ahead. plus my own close encounter with great whites. going into a water without a cage to see these amazing predators up close. we'll show you that up ahead.

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florida man faced down a great white shark caught it all with his go pro camera. watching it gives you chills. he was spear fishing off of florida's sevevero beach. the shark smashed his air tank. he eventually managed to scare the shark away and escape. very close call that easily could have turned out definitely. jimmy, this video is remarkable. walk me through what happened. i know you were down at the bottom, you were far away from the shore, you were about to

begin spear fishing and a shark came up and bit your air tank. did you know immediately what happened? >> not immediately. i felt a thump and heard what i suspect is the teeth hitting the tank and it shot out in front of me. i wasn't sure how big a shark or what kind of a shark it was at that point. until it came back at me. then i knew right away it was a great white then. >> the visibility, doesn't look like you had great visibility. >> no. we have an average of maybe 10 to 15-foot of visibility where we dive out in our area. it was good for our vis. >> i understand the shark, as you said went away, came back about eight minutes or so later. i see you're pointing your spear gun, you're trying to keep it between you and the shark which is obviously, i guess, a wise think to do. you poked it several times. did you get a sense it was aggressive or just curious. >> once i poked it a few times.

i've had a few shark encounters. you poke them they leave. he didn't want to leave. there at the last i hit it pretty hard and it left long enough for me to get away and get to the surface. so i was glad about that. >> i've gone diving a couple of times for stories with great whites off cape town and visibility was really low and there's nothing creepier than suddenly seeing an enormous great white come out of the shadows, essentially. what was that feeling like? >> it was overwhelming, you know. like you said, 15 feet away and it appears right on you. in most of this video it's only six or seven feet away from me. so, yeah. i was more worried how i was going to get to the surface. i knew i had plenty of oxygen left because i just got down

there. so i was grateful that he did decide to leave after i poked him pretty hard that last time. >> i under you went diving again later that day. a lot of people might be like i'll take a couple of days off. >> when i got to the surface and told my friend what i had seen and told the story and everything we loaded up everything and we ran about three or four miles down the reef and dove the rest of the day and we didn't see any more sharks that day. >> as you're exiting, you know, you get back in your boat and your feet are still in the water. was there a moment i need to get in the boat as quickly as possible. >> yeah, i can promise you that was the fastest i've gotten to the surface at that depth. that's what i was bothered. when i was hiding behind the rock you got a little bit of protection. he's not going to come from underneath it or behind the rock at you. when you're going up he can come from any direction. so that's what i was more

worried about. >> did you think at any point of actually firing your spear gun? >> right there at the end you can see it comes around right before i hit at any time hard the last time. you can see me reach up and start to unhook my line from my shaft in case i had to shoot it. but it returned on me too fast and i had to hit it that last time. i hit him as hard as i could and i actually seen the tip go into the shark this time and that's when it took off long enough for me to get away. >> i guess a spear gun wouldn't do all that much to a 14 or 15-foot long shark. >> yeah. that was going through my mind too. it's not going to do nothing but hopefully it scares him enough. >> when i went diving with sharks the expert told me i should project confidence. how do you project confidence through a wet suit, a snorkel and a googlele and all that. i guess you were projecting confidence. >> yes. don't let him be the winner, i

guess. >> i'm glad you're okay and amazing video. thank you so much for sharing with us. >> you're welcome. thank you very much. >> having dived with great whites off south africa it's awe inspiring and terrifying. what was it like when i got in the water. >> what do i need to do? >> don't make false moments. what we are is the same as a jackal at a lion feed. >> we're the jackal at a lion feed. they will let us be there as long as we don't interfere. >> don't grab a bone and run away. >> the water is filled with chump, fish parts and blood and a number of sharks are already circling the boat. so it's time to go. to get to the bottom i climb into a wage which is lowered about 20 feet to the ocean floor. mike is already there scouting

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jimmy about his close call with the great white shark off of florida's coast while he was spear fishing. that's what in set off to do off of south africa's coast. you heard of cage diving where diver is protected by a metal cage. that's not what we chose to do. it was an incredible experience. to swim with great white sharks without a cage produces two reactions. first is fear. hard to believe you're about to actually do this. the second reaction is a surge of adrenaline. mike knows that better than anyone. he's dived with great wide receiver without a cage hundreds of time and once caught a ride on a great white's dorsal fin. he insists they are top predators but not the man eating machine so often portrayed in movies. we decided to take him up on his

offer to dive with the sharks without a cage. >> what do i need to know >> don't make false moments. we're jackal at a lion feed. as long as the jackal behaves he doesn't get killed. >> we're the jackal at a lion feed. >> exactly. >> they will let us be there as long as we don't interfere. >> don't grab a bone and run away. the water is filled with chump, fish parts and blood and a number of sharks are already circling the boat. so it's time to go. to get to the bottom i climb into a cage which is lowered about 20 feet to the ocean floor. mike is already there scouting for any sharks. then he analysis for me to swim out.

almost immediately my weight belt falls off, struggling with that is the last thing you want to be doing around great whites. the current is really strong and mike has me hold on to a rock to stay in place. visibility is low. but then suddenly the sharks come in to view. it's clear they see us but they are keeping their distance, gliding by slowly, gracefully. it's remarkable to see them like this, to be so exposed to an animal that's so feared. mike warned me they don't like the sound of air bubbles and told me to hold my breath when they got near. truth be told, i was breathing so fast, holding my breath is almost impossible. at one point there are four different sharks swimming around us.

it's important to stay alert, but after a while i'm also able to appreciate the beauty, the power of these animals. widely hunted, universally despised, capable of such destruction and yet when you see them like this not lunging after bait but simply gliding through the water you see them in a different way. you understand there is more to them than we know. we stay down for more than 30 minutes until our oxygen nearly runs out. never seen anything like it. it's amazing. that was great. thank you. >> great job. >> pretty amazing. >> you get a totally different scene of them seeing them like that versus from a cage where they are attacking a piece of bait. >> they are just being sharks. >> more breaking news.

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confirmation donald sterling will fight hard to keep the l.a. clippers or that's what they are saying now. at the top of the program nba notified him they are seeking to terminate his reits. sterling has responded through his attorney. attorney demanding the league give sterling three nos answer the charges against him. the nba declined comment on that want demand. we'll follow this in the days ahead. for the first time ryan lewis one half of the hit pop duo of macklemore & ryan lewis is speaking out about a challenge his family has been living with. his mother is diagnosed with hiv. they have started the 30-30

project to build health centers worldwide that will stand strong for 30 years. ♪ >> producer, musician, artist, these are the titles that describe ryan lewis, one half the rap group macklemore & ryan lewis. number one single, magazine covers, four grammy awards and sold out concerts. ♪ the future seems bright for the 26-year-old lewis. but right now he's reviewing the description he holds dearest, grateful son. >> a huge part of what has made me who i am is something i haven't talked about. >> until now. meet julie lewis. she's ryan's mom and hiv positive. >> you were infected with a blood transfusion. >> yes. >> by the time you found out you had three kids.

>> the birth of her first daughter in 1984 was diligent. she need a blood transfusion. it wasn't until six years later and two more kids she found out she was infected. >> what was the initial reaction. what was your initial diagnosis. what did the doctors tell you? >> my initial reaction was -- actually i relieved it was only me that was infected because every person in my family needed to be tested. the first question they asked me do you have a living will and are your things in order. i'm 32 and i'm like, what 32-year-old has a living will. one that's going to die. >> we're about five minutes from the house that i grew up in as a kid. >> ryan was only 6 years old when he learned about his mom's condition. >> did you know, did you one at age 6? >> i was 6. i think i understood that my mom

was sick, and that she could die. and i think for a 6-year-old that's kind of fearful enough. i was the only one in my family that was young enough that i was kind ofof 0 bring -- oblivious the stigma. i told the class. my teacher called my mom. >> ryan is sharing special information today. >> oops. >> life threatening d.c.s like hiv/aids can be managed. what people need -- >> when julie was first infected there wasn't a life-saving medication there is now. thanks to that medicine she's still going strong 30 years later. that's ten times longer than doctors originally expected. to celebrate ryan and his mother have launched the 30-30 project with the goal of building 30 medical centers worldwide that will sustain for 30 years to

come. the first project is in southeast africa. ♪ for ryan this project isn't just celebrating his mom but also a chance to use his fame for good. >> for me personally to hop on board and be the amazing success and blessings in my life to pull off something like this, the 30/30 project is awesome. >> through the 30/30 project ryan and julie have connected with old friends. >> we want to ensure this project comes to life. >> as well as made new ones. >> i got a message two days ago somebody was diagnosed a week ago. just wondering what to do. would love to talk to your mom. i have no idea what to do. >> i have responded to almost every one of those that we've gotten. figure out where they came from. >> julie couldn't be prouder of

her son's achievement but in the lewis family ryan isn't the only success story. >> you must be very proud of your mom. >> absolutely. for more information and to donate go 230/30 project.org. we have a link on our website. a mississippi man who received a pardon from former governor haley barber pleaded guilty to manslaughter. it stems from a deadly shooting incident last year. previously he was granted clemency from a conviction of selling marijuana. malaysia's government wants the raw satellite data used in the search for flight 370 to be released to the public. that would allow for independent analysis so it's asking inmarsat to make it available. the plane disappeared on march 8th with 239 people on board. california chrome will run in the belmont stakes next month and attempt to win horse

racing's triple crown. new york racing officials lifted ban on horses wearing nasal breathing strips. he has already won the kentucky derby and preakness. see this selfie. san marcos, california firefighter snapped a photo of himself and other firefighters to show his wife and kids he's okay. the firefighters are part of the team battling wildfires in southern, california. you can really see how exhausted they are in the background. >> their efforts are incredible, the kind of equipment they have to lug up there up these hills and mountains. it's incredible the work they do. >> the selfie is telling his wife and three kids i'm k. you see the hard work they are doing. >> susan thanks very much. dallas morning show goes off the rail. the ridiculous is next.

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time now for the ridiculous. if you're not in the dallas area you were missing out on a spectacular morning show called "the broadcast." last week they veered way from springtime pizza and how to slim in on your fat pets to weigh in on this. michael sam kissing his boyfriend. now to say that this bitterly divided the all-important demographic of ladies in dallas

knock off of the view is an understatement. >> why am i not allowed the say it offends you. >> it comes off as being racist towards homosexuals. >> race. >> this is the problem. >> you can't say what you feel without being persecuted. if it doesn't go along with mainstream. >> there's more. if you happen to be playing predictable excuse, get ready to mark some boxes. >> in a moment of celebration for something very exciting to happen to him because he worked his butt off and now we're beating him up -- >> i don't call it a moment of celebration. >> attacking people -- >> here's the thing. >> hold up. why aren't you calling that a movement celebration. you didn't feel that was a moment of celebration. >> no. here's the thing. here's the thing. it's being pushed in faces. >> kissing his wife --

>> i would have said get a room. my turn. here's the thing, espn would not have aired any of it had he been kissing his wife. >> this was an opportunity to make news. >> no, i think we are making a mountain out of a mole hill. >> this was an opportunity to make news. >> i agree. >> period. >> the one who is air quote upset got so flustered she ended up storming off the set but not before she got in some more homophobic points. >> when parents don't have a choice whether or not they want their children to see this. >> amy that's been taken criticism. she has every right to express her opinion. she wants us to think of the children and she has a point. if we don't take action tv could become a free for all replete with half naked men and indiscriminate kissing.

>> ticket are still available. you can take home a calendar. stay tuned. >> okay. she was kissing strippers and didn't even know them. it's not like two guys who are in love or anything. look, i get a lot of people in the country agreeing with her and that's their prerogative. it will take time. nearly half of those surveyed thought it was inappropriate for networks to show the michael sam kiss. to amy's argument nobody shows football players kissing their wives or girlfriends that's not true and i don't think she's being honest when she wouldn't want to see that either or get a room. uncomfortable seeing some kind of affection why not say that and leave the excuses about why you're uncomfortable where they

belong on the ridiculous. that does it for us. we'll see you one hour from now or two hours from now. anthony bourdain parts unknown starts right now. [ speaking in a foreign language ] ♪ ♪