shootings that has to do with mental illness. until we take a different approach on how we're going to address this particular phenomenon in our culture, we should anticipate more of these incidents. i've spoken to you before, deborah, regarding the acquisition of these firearms. we need to put some type of mechanism in place that tries to stem the flow of firearms to people who are not mentally stable. we first have to address this mental health issue, but i think simultaneously, we need to start to figure out what we're going to do to prevent people who are not mentally stable from having access to weapons in general. >> let's talk about that, first of all, lou. in terms of that. the mental health. when somebody goes to buy a gun, are there mental health checks that they have to undergo so that they can acquire that weapon? we don't know what background checks he had, as evan perez

reported. atf is doing a forensic analysis on the gun and where it was purchased. but are there psychological background checks that people have to undergo, whether in california, new york, or elsewhere in order to purchase a firearm? >> there isn't, deborah, and the interesting thing is that the only thing you are required to do is to check and make sure they're not convicted of a felony. i've spoken to you again about this. for some reason, we seem to be living with two standards. one standard that applies to our law enforcement community in which we go through a very thorough vetting process psychologically. they subject us to multi-phase screening tests, law shock, word association, interviews. the general public walks off the street in the state of california with a driver's license, they present it, select the handgun, which can hold ten rounds, which is more than a sufficient amount of ammunition to inflict a lot of harm.

as long as they have no felony conviction, they give them that weapon. we need to address this deficiency in this culture, and that does not subscribe to the notion that we're going to deny anyone their second amendment rights. if anything, it could create an atmosphere that is a bit more liberal for people who are deserving of having these weapons. it isn't just an issue of making sure psychologically they're sound, and criminally that they don't have felonies, they need training, they need classroom understanding. i mean, there's a whole problem attached to this. but once again, i don't see this society in this mode of problem solving. we're head banging and politicizing everything. >> before we move to the larger issue, lou, let me ask you. in terms of what you tell from this shooting, it appears -- you just mentioned something that the handgun, the semiautomatic handgun that he had apparently

had about ten bullets in it. is there the suggestion that, in fact, he was able to reload and fire multiple clips given that we know six people died, given that we know he was shooting and we have witnesses saying that the bullets missed some of the people who are running away from the black bmw. if you can draw us -- without speculating, but if you can draw us a picture of what you know based on the gun, the number of shots it's likely he got off and what we can talk about in terms of reloading. let's stick to that. >> well, reloading a semiautomatic weapon is at the issue. in order facilitate that process, you really have to press what we call a magazine release, which is a split second. and then insert a fully loaded magazine, which takes about another split second. you know, the efficiency of these weapons to inflict harm is just unquestioned. but again, deborah, i don't

think that the mechanics of the weapon is as critical an issue as the mental and emotional state of this individual, and more importantly, how he was able to get his hands on the weapon of this nature. through the investigation, we're going to find out where that weapon came from, literally. a whole trace or track of its life, from the manufacturer to distributors to retailers, and to who finally purchased it, for example. if it was purchased legally, or how he acquired it. if the weapon comes up and it was reported stolen, the authorities will have that information. if for some reason they find out the family member bought the weapon -- i don't even know what to say. we're at a point here that for some reason, we just can't wrap our arms around fixing this problem, and it's not through any means of addressing that is extreme in nature. we need to come up with some fort of compromise that everyone

can live with and that will ultimately result in the elimination of people who are mentally unstable from getting their hands on this firearm. >> yeah, there's no question about that. all right, lou palumbo, thank you so much. stay with us, we're going to be checking in with you a little later on. our breaking news coverage continues after a quick break. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira.

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it's our breaking news right now. police and sheriff's deputies calling it a mass murder. now we have learned that the family of a 22-year-old man named elliot rodger believe he was the person who killed six people last night in a shooting spree. he then either turned the gun on himself or was hit by the returning fire of a sheriff's deputy. witnesses are telling their stories. the gunman in a moving car shooting from the driver's side window. police found him in the car with a bullet wound. they don't know if he killed himself or if he was shot in a

fire fight with deputies. the sheriff's office is going through a video that the alleged gunman made along with several others that were online where he says he's going to get revenge on the women who rejected him. again, family of 22-year-old elliot rodger believe that, in fact, he was the shooter. here's how police responded last night. >> multiple gunshot womens. >> reported for multiple gunshot victims. >> according to a witness, there was a black colored bmw. >> copy, another balance with 6553 i.v. deli. >> and the gunman drove along that street, that's why you're hearing different locations. three people were killed, another seriously injured. switching gears, another shooting, unfortunately, one in belgium at a jewish museum in

belgium. the shooter still at large. belgium's interior minister says the attack may have been a hate crime. the nation's terror threat level was raised and it is highest in locations frequented by the jewish community. well, it's memorial day weekend, a time when most people are out enjoying themselves because they've got an extra day off. a special day for one of the war memorials on the national mall. defense secretary chuck hagel spoke at the ceremony today, marking ten years sense the world war ii memorial opened for visitors. it is a beautiful memorial. former u.s. senator and world war ii veteran bob dole was also there. hagel said that special place exists in hopes that we never see this kind of a global conflict ever again. all the states represented there. >> that's why the memorial is so important. like all memorials, it was built to honor the sacrifices of those who have gone before us, but also do instruct future generations that war is not an

abstraction. war is real, with real consequences. >> and tomorrow night, the national mall will be packed with people honoring our war heroes at the annual memorial day concert. a lot of people come on motorcycles. a friend of the military gary sinise will co-host. sinise has been doing uso tours with the lieutenant dan band, which we all know from the very famous movie, he's been doing that for years since his oscar nominated role in "forrest gump." he started the foundation to bring even more support to the troops. he joins me now live from washington. gary, it is such an incredible thing that you do every single year, and all these veterans who come out, it's almost hard to describe the feeling on the mall of all these people coming together. what is it about it that just gives you that kind of hope, that fire to do this? >> oh, it's a remarkable event. good afternoon. this is my tenth year here for the national memorial day

concert. the first year i did it, i actually came here with the lieutenant dan band and played on this stage that's right over here. and the following year 2006 they asked me to come back as co-host. 200,000 people here. all the steps are covered with people and all the bay down to the stage. it's a remarkable show on pbs. this is our 25th anniversary year. it's a remarkable way to honor those who have fallen, and to pay tribute to those who serve our country. >> and having gone to your website, you say we've got to do something. there's got to be something for these people who have given so much. when you look at the overall situation, what still has -- in your opinion, what still has to be done? what's not being done for these men and women? >> i think one of the issues that i always talk about is community support for our veterans. unfortunately, there's a pretty big disconnect between the american people and its military, because unless you

have a personal relationship with someone, a family member who's serving or a veteran in your family or a friend or something like that, a lot of the american people don't really understand what the military does. there's a statistic that talks about almost 70% of the american people are disconnected to its military and really don't know what our military and our military families go through. what's wonderful about this concert, it kind of highlights that and points up stories of sacrifice and service. the current sacrifice and sacrifice years past. it really highlights what memorial day is all about. it's more than hot dogs and ball games and barbecues and that kind of thing. it's really a day that's set aside to honor all those who have paid the cost of freedom, and we all know that without them, we wouldn't be free in this country. so i urge everybody to tune in to the national memorial day concert tomorrow night. >> and it's really amazing, because it really does celebrate the strength of the human soul. it's not just veterans, but it's

their entire families. when cnn first broke the scandal of delayed care v.a. hospitals, what went through your mind? my guess is it probably wasn't a great surprise to you. >> no, not a great surprise. i mean, this is -- we all know the issues that plague government bureaucracies and that kind of thing. the v.a. is one of the largest departments in the government. there's going to be people that fall through the cracks and we've heard those stories for years and years. i hope that some of these things that are brought to light now will actually do something, that action will be taken to address this issue that has been ongoing. >> all right, well, we all remember the movie "forest gump." lieutenant dan and the lieutenant dan band. thank you so much. that concert is beginning to air tomorrow night, 8:00 eastern on pbs. if you're in the area, you've got to get down there. it is going to be so worthwhile. we really appreciate it, gary, thanks so much. >> thank you. and we're going to switch

gears a little bit right now. back to our coverage of break news in california. a mass murder near santa barbara, california, in a college town. we're going to talk with a congresswoman who represents the district to find out what she's hearing from law enforcement sources. stay with us. we know we're not the center of your life, but we'll do our best to help you connect to what is.

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apart after a gunman sprayed bullets from his car last night. seven people were killed including the gunman. based on what police are told, the family, the parents of 22-year-old elliot rodger believe that, in fact, he was the shooter. the congresswoman from that district join s me now from the phone. you've been speaking to law officials. what are they telling you? >> you know, deborah, my heart is broken over the shootings. and each of the lives that is claimed. our entire community is grieving because so many people are hurting since this tragedy. >> in terms of the constituents that you have spoken to, i spoke to one young woman who said last year when she was a freshman at uc santa barbara, she felt very safe, but this year she feels less safe in that area. given this is an aberration. but still, what is your sense of that area? >> well, i've lived in this area

for many years. and isla vista is a wonderful place. it's a very special place. it's right next door to the bustling university of california at santa barbara. it's really an important part of our central coast community. and, you know, this tragedy has touched each of the students' lives and all of the people who live in the community, and now we've got to go through the process of healing. >> right. and as far as you know, were classes still in session at uc santa barbara, or at the community college, or had most people sort of gone home for the summer? >> well, it's the weekend, but actually, the quarter is still going on. we're getting ready for finals on the campus. i was just on the campus yesterday meeting with the incoming student officers, student body president and so forth. and it's a very thriving, positive community and campus that has added so much to the

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video clip, what is it telling you in terms of his mind, his -- he seems like he's trying to control what's going on. what does it tell you? >> what we've seen in the classic profile. someone who has anger, rage, wants revenge, blames society for every ill that they have. isolate themselves and are feeling so insignificant they feel now this is the way that they can become a god. omnipotent by randomly taking out people's lives. hellbent on destruction, but also his own destruction because you know that he's not coming back from this thing. >> there's no question. he almost had to know that he was going to die by doing this. do you feel that somebody like this -- do you feel that there may have been help he could have gotten, or was this so ingrained psychologically that once he committed, he was in? >> obviously mentally ill. we don't know whether it fits the level of insanity by law not

knowing right from wrong, but certainly when we see people this young, around age 22, this is the most difficult population to treat and quite often they fall through the safety net of mental health. we can't hospitalize because they may not be dangerous enough at the time. so we see this over and over again. >> jeff gardere, we're going to be coming to you in the next hour. our breaking news coverage continues after a very quick break. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. whether you're just starting your 401(k) or you are ready for retirement, we'll help you get there.

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this is cnn breaking news. >> you're in the cnn newsroom. i'm deborah feyerick in for don lemon. police, the sheriff calling it a mass murder. six people killed, now we have the name of the alleged shooter. elliot rodger. 22 years old. that is according to an attorney for the rodger family near santa barbara, california. we don't know too much about rodger, but he has apparently recorded several youtube videos. here's a short portion of one of them. >> tomorrow is the day of retribution. the day in which i will have my revenge against humanity. >> chilling to watch. police still talking to witnesses and collecting evidence. people who saw what happened say that the shooter opened fire from behind the whe