Skip to main content

tv   CNN Newsroom  CNN  May 25, 2014 2:00pm-3:01pm PDT

2:00 pm
games and barbecues and that kind of thing. >> gary sinise. since the creation ten years ago, the lieutenant dan band performed at hundreds of concerts. that will do it for me. thank you so much for being with me this afternoon. the next hour of the newsroom begins right now with deborah feyerick. hi, everyone. you're in the cnn newsroom. i'm deborah feyerick. we start with 22-year-old eliot rodger and the killing spree in santa barbara, california. it's all about the evidence and there's a lot of it. ten crime scenes in 12 locations a. series of retribution videos, a chilling 140-page manifesto and the news that his parents found out about the document and videos just before the killing spree began. apparently the couple
2:01 pm
frantically searching for their son as the shooting was taking place. meanwhile, santa barbara county sheriff bill brown is defending an earlier investigation the agency conducted into rodger. >> they found him to be rather shy and timid, polite, well spoken. he explained to the deputies that it was a misunderstanding and that he was, although having some social problems, it was unlikely that he was going to continue to be a student here and was probably going to go home and he was able to convince them that he was not at that point a danger to himself or anyone else. >> you can see the memorial there behind the sheriff, popping up all over the place as police continue to sift through evidence. the communities are starting the healing process. ♪
2:02 pm
thousands of students and community members attend a vigil on cam pause last night. let's go to cnn's kyung law and pamela brown. kyung, you traced the steps friday night and bringing that to us in a moment but first, pamela, you have learned new details about warnings signs from a family friend. what do you know? >> that's right. we have spoke on the a family friend of the rodger family. simon astair and he walked me through in great detail of the warning signs and the moments just before and during the rampage on friday night. and desperate search was under way by eliot rodger's parents to find him when the rampage was going on because they had just been tipped with that chilling
2:03 pm
manifesto and e-mailed it to them and a couple dozen other people. the mother apparently came across the e-mail at 9:17 p.m. pacific time and read a sentence, knew something was terribly wronged she looked at the youtube page and known to post videos there and came across the rebring bugs video talking about slaughtering women at a local sorority house and called the father and called 911 according to this family friend, they got in the car, going to santa barbara trying to get in touch with eliot. meantime, he was shooting and killed six people in isla vista when this was unfolding and found out later he was the shooter behind all of this. very troubling for the parents and we looked back on red flags to be missed and the police talked about the welfare check. they were called back in april to go to eliot's home because his mother was concerned and at that point they say there was
2:04 pm
nothing too alarming, didn't show signs of danger to himself or others and seemed timid and shy and talked about issues with his social life and the mother was reassured that everything was okay with her son. but it turns out that eliot was plotting this whole shooting spree and talked about it and in that manifesto he sent he said the biggest fear i felt in my life overcame me. i had the striking and devastating fear that someone had somehow discovered what i was planning to do and reported me for it. if that was the case, police would have searched my room, found all of my guns and weapons with the writings of what i planned to do with them. i would have been thrown in jail, denied the chance to exact revenge on my enemies. i can't imagine a hell darker than that. his parents believed this was a pivotal moment in april. they believe it was a miss opportunity and learned that eliot had been seeing a therapist on and off since he was 8 years old, a history of
2:05 pm
mental health issues and clearly very disturbed individual. >> and pamela, you said that the family friend said that both parents raced to the location. they knew something was terribly wrong and called 911. is there any suggestion anybody from either the sheriff's department or police actually responded? if they're driving because he's in crisis, were the police also aware that this was -- that he was in trouble? >> reporter: well, the 911 call was made around the time the rampage was going on and all happening simultaneously. >> going on at the same time. >> reporter: it was chaotic and interesting to note i asked the family friend if eliot displayed any signs of increased aggravation or distress recently. he said, no, that in fact, he had just spoken to his father on thursday and told his father looking forward to seeing his
2:06 pm
family this weekend. and the family friend said, before this, he had never had violent tendencies or fascination with guns and not part of the dialogue. his family clearly still in shock and going through undescribable grief at this hour. >> thank you so much. we appreciate that. we were speaking with somebody yesterday who saying the personality disorder, they talk their way out of a lot of things. now kyung, let me ask you to walk us through what we know about the killing spree. you went to all the locations. >> reporter: a total of ten locations. that's what investigators are locking at and astonishing to think walking through the spot he went through and how many people he hurt, all of this when the shooting began, deb, took only ten minutes. this is where the rampage began in the gunman's apartment. three people stabbed to death. detectives describe it as a
2:07 pm
horrific crime scene. >> the supreme gentleman. >> reporter: from here, investigators say he got into his bmw, just as he predicted in the youtube videos, would head first to a sorority. >> on the day of retribution, i am going to enter the hottest sorority house of ucsb. and i will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond [ bleep ] i see inside there. >> reporter: four blocks from his apartment, the alpha phi sorority. they heard loud knocking coming from the front door. they did not open it. so the gunman turned to three women who were standing over here. shot and killed veronica weiss and katherine cooper. another woman was seriously injured. less than two blocks away, the ivy deli mart. surveillance video from inside the store captures the barrage
2:08 pm
of bullets. there's another victim killed. christopher martinez who was just out for a sandwich. >> what about chris's right to live? when will this insanity stop? when will enough people say stop this madness? we don't have to live like this! >> reporter: at this point, the pace is picking up. witnesses here say he's driving the bmw into people on the street. one person is shot outside of these apartments. gun fire, smashing windows. it is everywhere. >> get inside! >> reporter: a few blocks away, the gunman shoots at a deputy and misses. officers now in pursuit. he makes it a few more blocks, striking a bicyclist, a couple blocks away, shoots three more people until there's a gun battle with deputies. four deputies who run across the park and fire into the suspect's car. they believe they've hit him in the hip but he continues to drive. he's able to travel a few more
2:09 pm
blocks until he strikes a bicyclist. that bicyclist hit so hard he caves in the wind shield. the bmw crashing outside an apartment. >> i saw the driver get pulled out of the car. he looked very hurt. i mean, to me he was either unconscious or already dead. >> reporter: back live here. we are outside the third shooting location. the third crime scene, that is. and you can see that there are candles here. there are flowers here. all of this for christopher martinez, the young student who died here when he was out just trying to get a sandwich. deb? >> just remarkable how much ground he was able to cover in a short time, especially because obviously so many people were there and watching. all right. thank you so much. appreciate your walking us through that. i want to bring in my guest to talk about these latest developments. cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director,
2:10 pm
tom fuentes, retired law enforcement officer lou palombo and holly hughes. tom, we heard pamela brown talk about some of the warning signs, the parents actually when they saw that manifesto knew that danger was imminent and they raced to try to find him at the same time these killings are going on. it almost defies the imagination. should they have called sooner? should they have done more welfare checks? we are not pointing a finger but they knew their son was in a terribly dangerous place psychologically it seems. >> i think you are right. at this point if they knew from the manifesto that the violence was imminent, you know, to be calling 911 or calling the police up there, i guess not 911 from where they were but, you know, call the police where their son lived and say, you know, i called you before. you said he was okay. he's not. he's going on a rampage.
2:11 pm
i saw on yubtd and the manifesto by e-mail, and that should have been, you know, something that went out immediately. you know, i'm sure they panicked and weren't thinking straight. but, you know, the length of time it took to drive from los angeles to santa barbara, they should have been on the phone with the police before that. >> yeah. you have to wonder about that. you know, holly, that's another question. police did show up for that welfare visit. that was 25 days before this rampage began. this is a young man, very smart, able to talk his way out of it. should those officers have done more to question this young man as opposed to take his word that everything was fine? he was just having some social problems at school. >> you have to remember, the police can't just rush in to somebody's apartment and start looking for manifestos and searching because then you have everybody hollering it's an illegal search, it's violating the civil liberties. you can't do that,
2:12 pm
unfortunately. the police did exactly what they're allowed to do within the confines of the law which is inqui inquire, see if he presents a danger to himself or to someone else. and we don't know what the parents said. if all the parents said is, i am unable to contact my son, i've left messages on his cell phone and not called me back, if they didn't say, he has been seeing a psychiatrist since he was 8 years old, he's been seeing a mental health official, we think there is some imminent danger coming, the police are constrained by the laws, unfortunately. and that's where we need to go back to the legislatures and sit down and say, we need to open up what it is they're allowed to do because otherwise they're suing the police department for infringing the rights. the officerwhat they could, deborah. >> let's ask you, lou. you have had experience with this, as well. do you think that the law should be revised so when there is a welfare check, when there's some measurable concern of a possible
2:13 pm
threat eitheraither to the indi or police or others, they should do more as holly says for some sort of a look around, not necessarily a full search, but to look around? i mean, the stakes are so high now. >> well, you know, we're in a little bit of a hindsight mode right now, deborah, and we really need to find out -- >> why not? we're trying to advance the conversation which is, you know, we look at these welfare checks, i'm sorry, but i'm looking at everything pretty objectively. that's the one time deputies had contact with the young man. >> yeah, but you see, deborah, law enforcement individuals are not backgrounded to make assessments of a mental or emotional state. if the parents were concerned about the welfare of the child and that's what they're articulating to the police, the police went there to make sure he was okay. oftentimes you might enter the home and look around. depending on the circumstances.
2:14 pm
each one of these visits stands on its own merit. i was involved a welfare check as a police officer and involved in a eldn elderly person and geg there the person expired. the family contacted us because they lost contact with the loved one and couldn't establish contact. they called the police department. can you do us a favor? we did that. we ended up finding the individual expired. it is not uncommon for the police to conduct welfare checks. but in this particular set of circumstances, we really need to know what information was supplied to the police to make a determination as to whether or not they should have perhaps gone further than they did. that's the mode we're in right now. we need more information before we can pass a judgment. >> well, i don't know we're passing a judgment but questioning whether, in fact, the system as it exists is the right one and whether more things need to be done in order to prevent these kinds of tragedies. tom, lou, holly, we got in an interview with the neighbor of
2:15 pm
eliot rodger and giving us interesting details of the shooter including a fight the neighbor witnessed. we'll have that and get your thought in a few minutes. first, a surprise visit today for troops in afghanistan. what president obama said to u.s. forces after, oh, well, you know, simply popping in for a visit. and pope francis in the holy land and what he's doing to try and end a decades old conflict. this will surprise you.
2:16 pm
2:17 pm
crestor lowered bad cholesterol in it's a fact. high-risk patients more than lipitor. bad cholesterol... you're going down! yeah! lowering cholesterol is a big deal, especially if you have high cholesterol plus any of these risk factors, because you could be at increased risk for plaque buildup in your arteries over time. so, when diet and exercise aren't enough to lower cholesterol, adding crestor can help. i'm down with crestor! crestor is not right for everyone, like people with liver disease or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. tell your doctor about other medicines you're taking. call your doctor right away if you have muscle pain or weakness, feel unusually tired; have loss of appetite, upper belly pain, dark urine or yellowing of skin or eyes. these could be signs of rare but serious side effects. are you down with crestor!? ask your doctor if crestor could help you. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help.
2:18 pm
... many okinawans stay so ractive as they age... (elder man speaks in japanese) (elder man then laughs) (elder woman speaks in japanese) but okinawans know one reason... elder couple laughs) ...they eat well to be well... ...okinawa life has isoflavone, a key ingredient to the... ... okinawa diet. a secret of ... ( elder couple laugh) ... vitality from people ... ... who really know how to live. (female scientists yells) hey! (elder couple laugh) okinawa life! as americans prepare to observe memorial day, president obama made a surprise visit to troops in afghanistan and said he was there to say thank you and praised the dedication to making afghanistan more secure. >> you're completing the mission. we said that they were going to denooi al qaeda safe haven and since then we have decimated the al qaeda leadership in the
2:19 pm
tribal regions and our troops here at bagram played a central role of supporting the operations including the one that delivered justice to osama bin laden. so, along with our intelligence personnel, you have helped prevent attacks and save american lives back home. tomorrow's memorial day. and bases here in afghanistan and the towns across america, we will pause, we'll pay tribute to all those who have laid down their lives for our freedom. and that includes nearly 2,200 american patriots who made the ultimate sacrifice that last full measure of devotion right here in afghanistan. i know you have stood in front of those battle crosses. i know many of you have carried the memories of your fallen comrades in your heart today. we will honor every single one of them, not just tomorrow but
2:20 pm
forever. >> the president also promised to support america's veterans, reference no doubt noticed back in washington where controversy swirling over reports that as many as 40 vets have died waiting to receive medical treatment. >> we're going to stay strong taking care of our wounded warriors and veterans. because helping our wounded veterans and soldiers heal isn't just a promise. it's a sacred obligation. >> he said afghans will take responsibility for their security and said the war will come to what he called a responsible end. a man known as the chocolate king is now the president of ukraine. billionaire, a candy tycoon, got 56% of the vote today according to exit polls. but with the silence in the country, some people couldn't cast their ballots. russian separatists guarded but they said they were just volunteering. few polls were open in other
2:21 pm
areas. president obama congratulated them to make it to the polls and accused them of blocking votes. russia denied having influence over the election. day two of the pope francis' trip to the holy city and going to three cities in three days. today the pope visited a group of palestinian refugee children living in the west bank. he also met with leaders of israel and the palestinian authority. and he invited them to travel to his home at the vatican for a peace initiative. vatican correspondent delia gallagher reports on how that invitation went over. >> reporter: the second day of the mope's trip to the holy city is one of surprises. it began in bethlehem on the west bank when the pope stopped heading towards major square and approached a concrete wall separating israeli and palestinian zones. he touched the wall in prayer. a prayer not just for this wall,
2:22 pm
but for all the walls in the world that are barriers to peace. and then, a surprise invitation extended to palestinian president abbas and israeli president perez. to his house at the vatican for a day of prayer for peace. the next surprise was for the holy father himself at a meeting with palestinian refugee children as they greeted him with messages of saying they're under occupation. the pope told the kids, i have understood your message. the path does not determine your lives. violence is never overcome by violence. it is overcome by peace. and peace was the pope's message. reiterating the vat ran support of a two-state solution to the crisis recognizing both israel's right to live in peace and security and the palestinian right to a sovereign homeland. from bethlehem, the birthplace of jesus, to the holy sepulcher, the pope finished in a solemn ceremony of reconciliation,
2:23 pm
split since 1054. reconciliation and peace for his own church and for the holy land. delia gallagher, cnn, jerusalem. and some are describing the moment stopping at the wall as the reagan moment where he told gorbachev to take down the wall. up next, hear from a neighbor of eliot rodger sharing the experience with the shooter before the rampage and what he knows about who may have been inside the apartment with him. stay with us.
2:24 pm
humans. even when we cross our "ts" and dot our "i's", we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness with our auto policies. if you qualify, your rates won't go up due to your first accident. because making mistakes is only human, and so are we. we also offer new car replacement, so if you total your new car, we'll give you the money for a new one. call liberty mutual insurance at... and ask us all about our auto features, like guaranteed repairs, where if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, the repairs are guaranteed for life. so call... to talk with an insurance expert about everything that comes standard with our base auto policy. and if you switch, you could save up to $423. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy?
2:25 pm
we got a fair price.ruecar.com,. my feeling is that...ing.... and you're like. iyou know, the salesman icomes over..., there's no buyer's remorse, you know. i'm happy with my purchase. it's the truth. when you're ready to buy a car, save time, save money, and never overpay. visit truecar.com
2:26 pm
that corporate trial by fire when every slacker gets his due. and yet, there's someone around the office who hasn't had a performance review in a while. someone whose poor performance is slowing down the entire organization. i'm looking at you phone company dsl. check your speed. see how fast your internet can be. switch now and add voice and tv for $34.90. comcast business built for business.
2:27 pm
a couple of new developments from the deadly shooting near santa barbara, california. investigators today entering and searching the homes of eliot rodgers' parents. rodger is the person police say shot or stabbed people to death in a rampage. no word on whether they found or removed anything from the rodger family home. the place where is the shooting victims died are now memorials. a store where christopher martinez was fatally shot and the sorority house where two women were killed. all three students at uc santa barbara. eliot rodger made no sekretd of the rage boiling inside him and
2:28 pm
taking veng. he collected guns and ammunit n ammunition. police say it's clear he planned the rampage for a very long time. and just in to cnn, the neighbor of eliot rodger, the man place say killed six people in that college town friday night talking about rodger and the interactions that he had with the 22-year-old community college student. he has asked us not to identify him. take a listen. >> when he first moved in, we tried to invite him out to, like, several parties and probably, like, you know, he would be walking to the apartment and all he ever did. walk to and from his apartment. like he would be coming in the courtyard and we would say, hey, eliot, come over and chill. we would be sitting in front of like -- right in front of his apartment on the benches. >> you tried to include him socially? >> yeah. multiple times. four or five times. he sat down and talked with him probably six and a half hours in total. and every single time he just
2:29 pm
sat there on the bench -- like, in the single chair at the very end of the courtyard every single time and he would just look around and just stare. like he wouldn't say anything. do you want a beer? do you want a shot? do you want a cigarette? like, what do you want? he would just sit there and be like no, no, no, no. just turn down everything and just sit there and just stare the entire time and he had like dead eyes and he's just staring at you the entire time just looking around and glancing at everybody and everybody is having fun and he was like a buzzkill. not to sound insensitive. sitting there staring at people the entire time and had this, like, emotion behind the eyes like he was [ bleep ] off the entire time and then eventually get up after 45 minutes, just get up and walk inside. and yeah. and then i guess like july was when the sheriffs reported he went to the hospital. yeah. i thought he was like from four
2:30 pm
to seven months ago but i guess seven to eight months ago. yeah. he came back like late at night like 9:30, 10:30 and he had this [ bleep ] kicked out of him. just like the side of his face bashed in and bleeding. the knuckles all cut up and came walking in, i said, like, hey, eliot. like, what happened, dude? like, are you okay? he was just, just crying profusely. coming in all in tears. i said, dude, like, seriously, like, when's going on? he was like, get the [ bleep ] away from me. pushing me off. i was like, sit down. i need to make sure. do you need stitches? what's going on? he sat down. i looked at his face to make sure he was okay and then, i mean, i just like -- did you get mugged? jumped. he was like, i got [ bleep ] jumped by five guys and pretty much after three hours, all i could really get out was, like, i'm guessing he was at a
2:31 pm
sorority or frat party and he, like, pretty much like when he was trying to make his case, i like, i could tell he was the aggressor. which is like the same thing that the person at the hospital -- yeah. he pretty much came on to the girl too strong and guys didn't like it and beat him up. >> and you're going to hear more from the neighbor and also from our panel straight ahead. (mother vo) when i was pregnant... i got more advice than i knew what to do with. what i needed was information i could trust on how to take care of me and my baby. luckily, unitedhealthcare has a simple program that helps moms stay on track with their doctors and get the right care and guidance-before and after the baby is born. simple is good right now. (anncr vo) innovations that work for you. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
2:32 pm
2:33 pm
ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money? uhhh. no, that can't happen. that's the thing, you don't know how long it has to last. everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive.. confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor can get the real answers you need. well, knowing gives you confidence. start building your confident retirement today. it's the trusted resource.
2:34 pm
and now, kbb.com has a whole new way to help you decide on your next new car by showing you what really matters. use 5-year cost to own to compare the long term cost of maintenance, insurance and gas. read reviews. woman: gas milage is awesome. from actual owners and kelley blue book experts. and get the full picture on what it's like to own the cars you're considering kbb.com tom fuentes, lou palombo, holly hughes, joining us. we'll talk about the sound of the neighbor. holly, when's fascinating is this neighborhood sounded as if he tried to reach out to did doneman multiple times, befriend him. the gunman who kept saying, oh, nobody likes me, in fact, rejected any overwhich you atur. what do you make of that?
2:35 pm
>> it doesn't surprise me. if you look at the video posted on the video, the affect is wrong. the words don't go with the emotions saying i wanted to be loved but he is not despondent over that. when you hear people say like that they're lonely, expressing loneliness. what struck me when i first watched that video, that was just an audition tape by a really bad actor. the emotions and words didn't go together. his little affected laugh to come up with so contrived, this is an individual who based on the history we're now hearing about started seeing therapist at 8 years old, a lot of mental health issues and pointing fingers and blaming everybody else, of course it is not true. this is a person whose problems centered in his own mind and not in any kind of reality. >> and so, tom fuentes, how do you counter that as law enforcement? how do you counter that? that's the question that everybody's asking today as we sort of try to make sense of all
2:36 pm
of this. >> i agree with what lou said in the last segment that the police are -- have their hands tied behind their back in situations like this. if a person hasn't acted out yet, no matter what he says or what you guess he's thinking you're severe limited. when i was a uniformed police officer 40 years ago, we had the ability to get somebody if we came across someone like that and take them to the mental health facility and check them in, whether they liked it or not, and have them held for 24, 48 hours so they could be examined and find out what was going on. the police have lost that ability. these mental ill subjects get the chance to do the first act free. they -- until they act out, there's not lot the police can do with them. >> all right. and so, lou, you know, we're sort of talking about this, do you think that there should be a new procedure in place that does give police or mental health experts or anyone a little bit more latitude when it comes to
2:37 pm
checking and making sure that somebody is, indeed, okay? >> deborah, obviously we need to have some dialogue and examine this topic. i think that there were indicators with this young man that should have prompted the family to go to a mental health professional who then collaborateively gone with the attorney to the court to order a psychiatric evaluation. he was sighing therapists since he was 8. that's a big tell right there. and his condition as it progressed continued to deteriorate. so much so that the parents in april initiated contact with the police expressing concern. i go back and i thhate to say ts redundantly we need to know what was said to law enforcement to dispatch to him but i get the
2:38 pm
feeling this could have been prevented. that's the part that bothers me the most about this. this is not typical case. the parents were on to something. he had individuals who were treating him. i mean, something got away here. >> right. that's all going to be under -- >> this is going to continue to unfold. >> that's what everybody's going to look towards moving forward. all right. tom, lou, holly, stick around. more of the interview with the neighbor coming up straight ahead. i bought a car, over and tells you, and you're like. a good deal or not. looking at truecar.com. there's no buyer's remorse.
2:39 pm
2:40 pm
2:41 pm
save time, save money, and never overpay. visit truecar.com
2:42 pm
we are learning a little bit more about some of the people who may have been killed inside rodgers apartment. he shared it. he had roommates there. we're now learning that perhaps some of the people who lived with him were korean exchange students, local student is releasing the name of one of them as chen yun-hong and had an altercation with in january accusing him of stealing $22 worth of candles. this is a young man driving around in a black bmw and apparently worried about those candles. okay. we'll bring in tom, lou, holly to talk about the things that the neighbor said. and it's very interesting because even the neighbor, lou, really seems to have felt there was a disconnect with this young man. he kept reaching out to him, invitding him to parties and offering help returning home one night and appeared beaten up.
2:43 pm
so, you've got this 140-page manifesto saying everybody hates me and, yet, it seems as if he was out and out rejecting any overtures of friendship. >> i think it lends ooets to a seriously deteriorating mental state. i'd love to speak to the people who were his mental health professionals to get an impression of what they thought was going on with this individual. they're paid professionals there to assess this young man. i mean, the input from the neighbor was very telling. this kid was withdrawal. you know? i think this kid was in a severely delusional state. deborah, there's a question i would like to have answered, not to go off on a tangent, but i'm curious to know if the family knew he had bought the three firearms. the weapons cumulateively cost an excess of $2,500. 22 years old. where did he get the money to do that? put it on a credit card?
2:44 pm
i'm curious to know if the parents understood that's what he had done. >> right. or whether they, in fact, tracking the money. clearly, any parent seeing some sort of an expense that didn't seem to be justifiable that also might raise a red flag. tom, when we talk about the description of this young man as having dead eyes, is there a possibility that he was on medication and maybe was either withdrawing or had taken himself off the medication to try to feel something? i mean, he is very almost robotic in his descriptions. holly pointed out this sort of sardonic, sinister laugh and a sense of a robot to him. >> that could be. we don't know if he was on medication or just mentally in such a -- as lou said, such a detached state that that's what's leading him to be that way, to not be able to interact in a normal manner, a neighbor or a schoolmate or roommate or family, you know, he's reached a paint in his condition where it
2:45 pm
doesn't matter. he can't talk to people, he can't communicate. so, you know, we don't know if that's been medically induced by medication or just the way he was at that point mentally. >> and holly, the point that lou raises about the purchase of these guns, yesterday the sheriff said that those three guns were bought before july 2013, before deputies came in contact with this young man. so, this also indicates that this was something he had been planning for more than a year. and again, it goes to the point was he that smart that nobody understood the seriousness of what he was thinking about within a year's time? >> there's no doubt the young man is very smart. you listen to the language he uses which is another thing that struck me. now you yourself looked at the manifesto and being a literature major, you said there are words in here, he's very intelligent and looking at the video, he
2:46 pm
doesn't rant. i'm going to slaughter you. he says what has been brought upon me. so he's clearly very intelligent. but here's the thing. the mental health professionals who were treating him should have been taught somewhere along their training to look for malingering. i was a prosecutor for ten years and when someone raised mental state, are they malingering. when you look for -- faking it. >> yeah. what does that mean? malingering? faking it? >> right. they're faking it, right. they're smart enough to have read the books and they know what they need to act like in order to feign mental illness or to say they don't have one. one way or the other they're trying to trick the mental health professional. we need to know at what point in time, why did nobody determine that he was a danger when he has this 140-page manifesto?
2:47 pm
when he has these videos out r putting throughout and clearly withdrawal and rejecting people who are reaching out to him. there is a disconnect along the line and has to change. we don't want to point a finger at a specific individual but we have a broken system and need to do something or we might as well throw our hands up, deborah, and say what number of dead victims is an acceptable number before we all determine this is a community problem? it needs to be a community solution. >> yeah. >> what number is acceptable? >> well, this's exactly right. we thought we hit rock bottom as a society and as a nation when adam lanza walked in and killed those kindergartners and first graders and now we are having this conversation all over again. tom, i want to ask you a question. he bought three guns from three different licensed gun dealers. a 22-year-old. why wasn't there something in
2:48 pm
the system that cross checked how many guns an individual is allowed to have? my question, why does a 22-year-old need three different guns and how come nobody picked up on that? >> well, that's not up for you or i to determine how many guns someone can have. that's not up nor debate. nothing to do with handguns. the virginia tech shooter legally purchased two glocks, went on the rampage and judged by a judge in virginia being mentally ill and bought them legally in roanoke and then to kill 30-some people at virginia tech. the aurora, colorado, shooter, seeing mental health professionals. now it over again. i think that, you know, we are beyond the point where we have a question of whether or not our mental health system is working or not. it's not. but as far as the weapons go, until the mental health system
2:49 pm
is fixed, there's not even going to be a discussion about limiting handguns that people can buy. >> i think it definitely both can be moved a little bit ahead so that we're dealing with both at the same time. you can't fix one and hope the second gets better. it's just not going to work that way. tom, lou, holly, we are going to come right back. we're going to ask you whether this is a hate crime on the other side. to new york state. the numbers are impressive. over 400,000 new private sector jobs... making new york state number two in the nation in new private sector job creation... with 10 regional development strategies to fit your business needs. and now it's even better because they've introduced startup new york... with the state creating dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years. become the next business to discover the new new york. [ male announcer ] see if your business qualifies.
2:50 pm
humans. we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back, offering exclusive products like optional better car replacement, where if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask an insurance expert about all our benefits today, like our 24/7 support and service, because at liberty mutual insurance, we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, so we do everything we can to be there for them when they need us. plus, you could save hundreds when you switch, up to $423.
2:51 pm
call... today. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy?
2:52 pm
trwith secure wifie for your business. it also comes with public wifi for your customers. not so with internet from the phone company. i would email the phone company to inquire as to why they have shortchanged these customers. but that would require wifi. switch to comcast business internet and get two wifi networks included. comcast business built for business.
2:53 pm
this just in to cnn, the neighbor of elliot rodger, the man who police say killed six people in isla vista, california, friday night, is talking about his neighbor and the interactions he had with the 22-year-old. he's asked us not to identify him. take a listen. >> can you describe kind of what it is he said to you the times that you did talk to him, the half a dozen or so times you did talk to him? >> he didn't talk. he didn't talk. when i talked to him for like the three hour, i pretty much -- i would have to say like -- i would talk for five minutes to try to like get some sort of reaction, and then he would say, i don't know, one sentence? and then i'd have to talk to him for another five minutes, then one sentence would come out. i had absolutely no idea. i didn't even know what college he went to.
2:54 pm
like i talked to him for that long. like what do you want to do? what's your major? where do you want to go? what do you want to do with your life? never came out. he never said a single thing. it was like he seriously did not want friends. like he's saying he wants friends, wants to hang out with people, he wants girls. every single time we invite him outside, there were plenty of girls and just didn't even make an effort, didn't talk to anybody. he was so closed off. and it was like when he's sitting there, you can just tell he's thinking these thoughts in his head the entire time. he was just talking to himself in his head the entire time. like why don't you talk to people here? i mean -- >> would you describe him as one of the -- >> have you ever met anyone like him. >> i met a lot stranger people. it's ivy. walking in that park and you see some crazy [ bleep ] people. >> the time that you did talk to him or he talked to you a little bit more, was the only time he seemed aggressive was the time he came and his face was all
2:55 pm
bruised and beaten? >> yeah. i wouldn't say aggressive, though. he was so emotional. like i can't describe how emotional he was. >> shaking and crying? >> shaking, adrenaline rush, it was like water faucets just coming out like just constantly down his cheeks for a solid half hour. he was so upset. i never seen anybody like that mad like in my entire life. >> what threats did he make at that time? >> well, he was saying i'm going to kill all those [ bleep ]. i'm going to kill all them, i'm going to kill myself. and i don't know if that's what it is it off -- if that's what set the plan in motion. but that's a long time in the making because that's a long time ago. >> how long ago was that? >> i want to say four to seven months ago. but when they did the press conference, they said it happened like july 15th when he went to the hospital. so i'm guessing that's like when it happened. so yeah. >> he said that he'd been
2:56 pm
planning it for a year. so we're almost on a year. >> so yeah, but it wasn't that bad. i mean, yeah, he got the crap kicked out of him. but i can't imagine that's the one event that set him off. >> and we're going to be discussing all of these new details of elliot rodger as described by his neighbor. (mother vo) when i was pregnant... i got more advice than i knew what to do with. what i needed was information i could trust on how to take care of me and my baby. luckily, unitedhealthcare has a simple program that helps moms stay on track with their doctors and get the right care and guidance-before and after the baby is born. simple is good right now. (anncr vo) innovations that work for you. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
2:57 pm
captain: and here's a tip. bellman: thanks, captain obvious. when you save money on hotel rooms, it's just like saving money on anything else that costs money. like shoes, textiles, foreign investments, spatulas, bounty hunters, javelins... making sure you pay the right price for a new car just got a whole lot easier. introducing the kelley blue book price advisor. the powerful tool that shows you what should pay. it gives you a fair purchase price that's based on what others recently for the same car and kelley blue book's trusted pricing expertise. it all adds up to the confidence that you'll get a great deal. that's just another way kbb.com helps you make a smart new car decision.
2:58 pm
2:59 pm
you're in the cnn newsroom. hi, everyone, i'm deborah feyerick. we're fast forwarding to the week ahead. crucial evidence in the missing flight 370 could be released. but the story driving the week will be the terrible shooting in isla vista, california, a college town. let's begin with our five questions for the week ahead all starting with this tragedy.
3:00 pm
question number one, what's next into the investigation in the killing spree that left seven dead in isla vista. right now it's all about the evidence. ten crime scenes, 12 locations, a series of retribution videos and a chilling 140-page manifesto. now the news that rodger's parent hs the document and videos immediately before the killing began. apparently the couple frantically searching for their son right at the time the shooting was happen. meanwhile, santa barbara county sheriff bill brown defending an earlier investigation his agency conducted on rodger. the places where those shooting victims died are today memorials. a store where christopher martinez was shot and the sorority house where katherine cooper and veronica weiss were killed. all three were students at uc santa barbara. ♪ i once was lost but now i'm found ♪