into the investigation in the killing spree that left seven dead in isla vista. right now it's all about the evidence. ten crime scenes, 12 locations, a series of retribution videos and a chilling 140-page manifesto. now the news that rodger's parent hs the document and videos immediately before the killing began. apparently the couple frantically searching for their son right at the time the shooting was happen. meanwhile, santa barbara county sheriff bill brown defending an earlier investigation his agency conducted on rodger. the places where those shooting victims died are today memorials. a store where christopher martinez was shot and the sorority house where katherine cooper and veronica weiss were killed. all three were students at uc santa barbara. ♪ i once was lost but now i'm found ♪

>> the grief and fear palpable on the faces of all the thousands of students and community members who attended a vigil on campus yesterday. we're covering all the angles here. first we go to kyung lah in isla vista. >> reporter: what we're waiting to hear is what happened inside that apartment before the shooting spree began. there were three roommates, three people found inside. we're still waiting to hear the identities. still waiting to hear how he was able to succumb all three of them with a knife. that's still what we're waiting to hear. officers are also going over their history with rodger. there has been that recent mental health -- the recent welfare check that his parents asked officers to go check and he was able to convince them that he was fine. there's also going to be a lot of investigation into his online

history, his school history as well as his mental health history, but deb, the things that we normally ask questions about, the weapon, we know it was all legally purchased. how he got the bullets, all of that as well. so those questions have already been answered. it's much more now into the mind of this troubled young man. >> yeah, you wonder if any of those first three victims left any telling information behind. all right, kyung lah thank you. are we going to hear from elliot rodg rodger's parents. we learn at the time of the shooting his mother and father were frantically looking for him in santa barbara having gotten hold of his 140-page manifesto. pamela brown in santa barbara right now. what do we know about the family? what are they telling you? >> well, we know that the family does not want to speak to the media right now. according to this family friend i spoke with, simon astaire, the

family is going through indescribable grief, coming to grips with the loss of their son and knowing what he did. but this family friend did tell me about those moments, those frantic moments right before and during the shooting rampage on friday because the parents had received that chilling 140-page manifesto right before the shooting. the mother saw it, knew something was terribly wrong, and looked on his youtube page and found that retribution video where he talked about slaughtering women at a local sorority house. and they hopped in the car, called 911. this is all transpiring while the shooting was transpiring unbeknownst to them, their son was behind it. they later found out that their son carry katie out this shooting killing six people, injuring so many more, and his family knew he had a history of mental health issues is but never thought he was capable of a violent horrific act like

this. there's also been talk about that welfare check back in april na the family spoke about that and said they felt like that was a pivotal moment and really a missed opportunity. but the sheriff said, look there was nothing to indicate that he was a danger to himself or others. >> and the suggestion that it may have been his mom who even placed that call about the welfare visit. pamela brown, thank you so much. question number three, will we hear more from the victim's families. the visibly shaken father of christopher martinez made a statement yesterday. >> why did chris die? chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the nra. they talk about gun rights. what about chris' right to live? >> we now know the names of all of the three shooting victims, the three people who were found stabbed to death at rodger's

apartment have not been publicly identified. and question number four, can the internet stop the next killer? we've been digging into the red flags, hints the shooter left online about what he wanted to do. nick, what do people, what do they say? what are they noticing? >> he posted on a variety of forums including pua hate which we'll get to as well as a body builder forum. we talked about that manifesto hey sent that to somebody on the body builder forum who tried to get rodger help but it was too late. i want to talk to pamela brown talking about the close call with authorities that somebody, it could have been his mother, somebody from a health agency, that's just not clear, whether or not they called police, but somebody called police, seven officers showed up at his apartment. he went on to write -- i want to read to you. for a few horrible seconds, i thought it was all over. he said the incident made him realize to be extra careful.

for the police department's part, they do say that there was nothing to indicate that rodger was violent or that he was a threat to himself or a threat to others. so they simply left it at that. but rodger talked about if he even searched his room they would have found and foiled his plot that he was planning on carry kg out. those on the internet, haddy was on the fringe of fringe groups on these forums, people trying to flag authorities but there just wasn't enough time. >> it's interesting because when the welfare check folks came he said that he was having trouble socially and probably wouldn't come back the next semester. we'll talk more about the groups that the gunman allegedly belong to and why some say they only seem to egg him on. question number five, should this be treated like a hate crime? in elliot rodger's manifesto the word "girls" appears 295 times. that is almost two times per

page. was rodger a misogynist, somebody who hates women? let's go to our panel, tom fuentes, criminal defense attorney holly hughes and lou columbo. tom, you first. this is a young man who keeps saying that he is so much better than everybody else, that's he's a god, he's superior and women are just not paying him any attention, yet his hatred for women. he goes so far as to suggest that they should all be wiped out. how do you make sense? what he's writing certainly very different from the message he's putting out there. >> it's obvious that he hates women, but the rest of the manifesto he talks about being slighted when he was trying to get on an amusement ride when he was a little kid, he was too short. it sounds like he hates everybody, in terms of a hate crime, it's usually racial or religious motivated, ethnic

group motivated, but when you hate the world, it will be hard to single out, although he does mention women a lot, but he still pretty much hates everybody. he hated the world, but he makes it very clear that he hates women because they're the ones who are torturing him. he mentions a lot of the male friends he had. you got to wonder whether this guy was completely sexually conflicted and almost terrified of the very possibility of any sort of intimacy. >> and i think we also have that not just in his words but it shows up in his actions. we've been listening to that fascinating interview with the neighbor who said we tried multiple times, we invited him to parties. we tried to get him to hang out in a fun and social setting. when eliot was hurt, he reached out again, let me help you, do you need stitches? let me get you medical attention. so we know that there were so many different times when he was reached out to and he just physically acted upon all those

words. the words that i don't like anybody, i hate everybody. we see it played out in his actions as well. where he wants to be separate. he wants to be apart. >> and lou, tom doesn't think it's necessarily a hate crime although he makes it very clear in this manifesto and in that video that he's going to target a sorority. he's going to get back at all those blond girls who didn't treat him the way he felt he should be treated. do you see it as potentially as a hate crime when you hear this kind of vile speech. >> tom, as you know, is a former fbi agent and the fbi investigates hate crimes. by the textbook definition, it doesn't really fill the bill, so to speak. but i would say hate is what drove this crime. and his folk ol point clearly was women. if you're saying in the future, could we possibly prosecute people if they now directed their aggressions towards a gender, for example, you know,

that's going to be something that again we're going to visit in the courts perhaps, but i don't think in this instance i'm as concerned about his fixation with women as his overall delusionary state. i mean, if you read what he wrote, he alludes to having a problem with mankind, not just women. this young man was severely deteriorated in his mental state. >> yeah, definitely suffering from a personality disorder as we heard jeff gardere discuss at length yesterday. we'll hear more about the gunman's deranged rant about women. if they could have stopped him before he had the chance to take the life of a single person. that's ahead. next pope francis won over catholics around the world. but taking on peace in the middle east, that's right. he's bitten off a lot. is it more than he can chew? we'll talk to our expert as our fast forward rolls on.

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pope francis is spending the night in the city. his trip wraps up monday but he's already made extraordinary news on his three cities in three days mideast tour. pope francis is inviting the leaders of israel and the palestinian authority to the vatican. could the pope help bring peace to the middle east? when so many others have failed in the past? our senior vatican analyst and senior editor of "the boston globe" is with us now. john, it's rather remarkable that the pope has invited both leaders to the vatican techn technically to pray but maybe to even have some discussions. >> yeah, that's right, deborah. the official purpose for which the pope has invited both mahmoud abbas and shimon peres is to have a common prayer for peace, but obviously i think the

working assumption here is that the two men find themselves together in a neutral space, both leaders quickly accepted the invitation and although the vatican won't officially confirm, it looks as though this will happen in early june. the hope is that they will also have perhaps some conversations about restarting the peace process that broke down a month ago. look, i think it was the inevitable that the first pope in history named francis, after st. francis, the legendary peacemaker of the middle ages, was going to want to try to bring peace, and there's no more intractable conflict on the global stage than the israeli/palestinian conflict. francis had beth abbas and peres in meetings at the vatican individually and established what he regards as good rapport with both of them. so he's hoping that he can get something done here. >> it's interesting because the pope did lament the fact that the u.s.-mediated peace talks

last month failed. was this his way -- look, the vatican's official position has been to call for a state of palestine, but the pope also said, look, palestinians are entitled to their state. the israelis are entitled to peace and security. but it's got to be both. this man of peace, how does he broker that in a meaningful way? when so many have failed. >> several times prior to this three-day trip francis has said that he was coming solely as a pilgrim, that this was an exclusively religious outing, but the truth is there's been an awful lot of politics here. the vatican's official position, longstanding position on the middle east is that it wants a two-state solution with security guarantees and clear recognition of israel's right to exist, at the same time sovereignty for palestine. it's been referring to the state of palestine since 2012 when the

united nations voted to give it nonmember state status, which by the way, the same status that the vatican enjoys at the u.n. and a special status for jerusalem with the security guarantees for the holy sites. and that has been its position for a very long time. francis reaffirmed that today saying it's critical that the two-state solution become a reality and not just a dream. now look, previous generations and leaders around the world have tried to move the ball on mideast peace and all have failed. i'm not sure how realistic it is to believe that francis can wave a magic wand and transform the situation. obviously he felt he could not come to this part of the world and not at least give it a shot. >> we want to point out, you are a remarkable and unique position. you're the only journalist who

is traveling with the pope. give us the back story. what is that like to be on the plane with the pontiff? >> first of all, i'm not the only one. there are about 70 of us. but i suppose i'm the only one from the cnn galaxy. >> okay. >> popes typically move in a bubble, but francis moves -- what you see on television, the man loves to come to the people, that's true on the plane as well. he comes back and makes a point of coming by and spending a couple minutes with every one of us. at the end he's promised once again he's going to give us one of these no holds barred press conferences on the way back to rome monday night. bear in mind the last time he did that was when we were flying back to rome from brazil in july which is where his immortal line "who am i to judge" came from. remains to be seen if this one will be as much of a barn burner, but it makes it

worthwhile to be on the plane. >> thank you so much. >> you bet. >> well, what was going on in the mind of the gunman before his violent rampage in that california town? was the young man who killed six people counting up all the little injustices against him, were they fueling his rage, his homicidal anger against women? ♪ ♪fame, makes a man take things over♪ ♪fame, lets him loose, hard to swallow♪ ♪fame, puts you there where things are hollow♪

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the isla vista killer elliot rodger wrote in his manifesto that he was sick of women turning him down his entire life, 22 years of it. he shared those frustrations with an online forum geared toward men who feel the same way, it's called pua hate. what does that stand for? nick valencia joins us now. he's been looking into this. i'm also joined by profiler mary ellen o'toole. you spoke with people who have done research on this site. tell us what this name pua hate stands for? >> it stands for pickup artist hate. i want to preface with what i'm about to say, is we can't blame one specific website or forum for the violent actions of one individual, but it's these forums or the pua forums or those like it that gave elliot rodger direction in his beliefs

according to the southern poverty law center which monitors hate groups. it stands for pickup artist hate and it's a website dedicated to exposing so-called dating experts or those who seek money from men to get them dates in return. men on this website use it to air their grievances after failing at the tactics used by pickup artists. within this forum elliot rodger began to self-identify with a group called in cells. what does that stand for? involuntary secelibates. it's their belief that they have to rise up against the so-called feminists who are oppressive to them. are we going to rise up or stand back and take it? there certainly is now in the united states a segment of society, and we've seen it online, people who think elliot rodger, his axes wections were speaking for them. it's kind of ironic for a group

that's dedicated to pickup artists, that there would be in long leap of hatred towards women. when i talk to the southern poverty law center, they say at the core, notwithstanding their hatred towards these so-called dating experts at the core of those who use this forum is hatred of women. and that's the real issue. if you look at all those tapes, if you look t a elliot rodger's y youtube video, it's clear he had a problem with women. >> there's no question about that. just blaming the whole world but specifically women. and interestingly enough when you hear him reference his father, he calls him father. when he references his mother he uses her first name. mary ellen, based on what we know about the shooter, you think -- and what he was writing, is this the kind of guy who hits a radar soon enough? because clearly in this case he did not. you're a profiler. what would you look for?

>> we know that there are warning behaviors before these mass shootings occur, especially with ones like this where there's evidence to indicate that it had been plned for a long time. these are not impulsive events at all. and so what we're trained to look for are those precursor behaviors. and you know, frankly, we don't look for signs is of mental illness because, as many of your guests have said, maybe it's delusional, maybe he's depressed, schizophrenic. we look for behavior. for example, if we were do dg a threat assessment on someone, we would look for suicidal, homicidal ideation. we'd look for someone who was a very severe injustice collector. that's someone who goes through life seeing real and imagined slights everywhere they go and they never get over it and they just keep adding to their bag and real and imagined slights

which i think is really becoming pretty clear here right now with this shooter. so we look for mitigators that would prevent someone from acting out violently, then we look for other variables or behaviors in their life that would tend to promote the possibility that they're going to act out. but it all comes down to behavior and not mental health label. >> when we talk about behavior, and this is something that everyone is asking, if you look at signs as a profiler, when do people act? you would think that having seen this time and time again, that there would at least be some sort of a go team so that if there are concerns that a person like this stays on the radar, continues to be monitored, continues in some ways to be profiled and watched so that if the behavior goes to the next level and those little

squirrels, those little nuts of injustice that he's collected become greater, that a team can go in and act. what's in place? >> well, we do have what's called threat assessment teams. and most of the universities around the country do have these teams of experts. they're made up of psychologists, law enforcement and other specialists who will do threat assessments on individuals. and just like a mental health assessment, a threat assessment has a very short shelf life. you can do an assessment on someone, and then 24 hours later something major can change in their life. if someone comes to the top, bubbles to the top and they really have some severe and potentially lethal behavior that they're demonstrating, that individual -- our system is just broken. it's not prepared to institutionalize someone for long periods of time.

but that said, we still can be in a position to get them some kind of hospitalization, keep them monitored, and if we have to do it repeatedly over and over again, then that's what we'd have to do. but we do have these teams the across the country to have special training to go in and do these kinds of threat assessments. >> something that you just said reminded me of one of the agents who had interaction with another crazy person, tamerlan tsarnaev, boston marathon bomber, and they cleared him. mary ellen o'toole. and nick valencia, thank you for your help with this. while there's a community in mourning there's a question that cannot be ignored. could police have done something to perhaps intervene before the gunman did anything. the manifesto suggests that perhaps they could have. that's coming up along with more

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what's your policy? the neighbor of elliot rodger, the man police say killed six people in isla vista, california, friday night is talking about his neighbor and gunman and what he saw at the apartment complex that is now a crime scene. he's asked us not to identify him. he spoke to our sarah sidener. >> i was home the entire night. i didn't hear a single thing. if i had, i would have instantly jumped in. i didn't hear a thing. my friend living there, they got back from a bar, restaurant or something, and they have a parking spot right next to him. so when they parked they got out of the car and they saw him in his car on his laptop. and that was like right before he went out. >> how do you think you could

have not heard anything? >> if he had a gun on him, you can make people pretty quiet if you point a gun at their face. i don't know how it went down, but there's obviously a lot of blood. you can see like the bloody sheriff's footprints outside the door. there's obviously like a lot of blood. and i mean, if he killed them in the bedroom, then the carpet would have absorbed most of it. so i have a feeling he killed them in the kitchen or at least one in the kitchen. they played video games. i don't know if he went in there when they were on the computer and like -- i just -- i can't imagine it. but the only way that i can imagine them being that quiet is entire time is he had like to hold a gun to them and like make them be quiet. >> had you ever been inside his apartment? >> last year when i knew the people living in there, but ever since he moved in there, i've never been in there. >> did you see earlier in the day? >> no. >> possibly like he killed them

the day before? >> i never see anybody down there. they're all so quiet. really, when everybody moved in we tried to make it as open a community as possible. and within a couple of weeks everybody just literally they go to class, come right back. so honestly, like, i haven't even seen any of them in like two months. >> can you tell us where you lived in conjunction with the suspect's apartment? >> upstairs, four doors down. >> scary the idea that three people were stabbed. >> three people were dead while i was a sleep, yeah, it's kind of trippy. some people here aren't taking it too well. >> wow. three people dead as he slept. well, as we look beyond this weekend's horrific event, one question really keeps coming up, will the killings change our expectations of what police should handle and perhaps how they should handle it? is it fair to ask officers to conduct these so-called wellness

checks. tom fuentes, holly hughes an lou columbo join me again. he talks about one of the times that police visited to check on his welfare. he says, quote, i don't suppose i won't know the full truth of who called the police on me. the police interrogated me for a few minutes, asked if i had any suicidal thoughts. i tactfully told them it was all a misunderstanding and they finally left. if they had demanded to search my room, that would have ended everything. lou, you're a retired law enforcement agent. i know we're not pointing the fingers at police, but should they have been accompanied by some sort of mental health expert? police can only do so much, why not bring in somebody else who may be able to recognize the signs a little bit more quickly? >> well, that's suggesting that someone would spontaneously be able to recognize the sign, number one, and number two, even if you brought a mental health

specialist with you, that would not necessarily have justified gaining access to the apartment. there are issues here. if during this wellness check they convince the police that he was okay, that's all they're looking for. they don't have probable cause. that's something that's necessary to go further, to go to the next step, to begin a search. you have to have something that legally prompts you to move forward. and that's what's lacking here. you know, and again i go back to what i said earlier, deborah. i think we need to find out exactly what was communicated to law enforcement or a mental health professional, then try to revisit this topic. in response to your question about should they have a legal right on a wellness check or request to go a bit further? that's something we have to open up the dialogue. i'm certain that police, myself included, you go to someone's home and you ask them, do you mind if i come in, sometimes they say no, sometimes they say yes. when they say no, it's no.

you can't force your way in, you have no legal footing. >> tom, take that one step further for me. if the police officer says, look, a lot of people are worried about you, we just want to come in and check and make sure and the person maybe puts up defenses and says, no, no, no, can that be maybe -- shouldn't there be a little check in the box going he would not allow us into his home? we're talking about moving the bar ever so slightly so we can get how we think about this? >> no, that doesn't move the ball enough. you only have so much rights as a police officer when you get there. the purpose of the call is to check on someone's well-being and you get there and talk to him and says he's well, it's pretty much over. if you ask to come in and the person says no, it's no. you go home. there's only so much you can do in that situation. i should add that there should

be a check of how many of these type of calls. i can tell you when i was a police officer these are frequent. usually it's someone that's elder elderly and a member of the family is worried that the person may be sick or passed. but even in a young person, you have these checks and when you get there and find out if they're okay, that's what you were there for. there weren't, as far as we know, we don't think the police were told this guy's going to kill somebody. go check on that. they were checking on whether he was okay. >> okay. so holly, let me ask you this question, because to me the elderly aside, all right, the family was a family wellness visit that we were told by the sheriff yesterday. so if the family called, is there -- do you think there's some sort of a record as to what they said, what their concerns were and what they wanted to check on? or do you think the family just said, yeah, we're not so sure, could you maybe just knock on

his door as opposed to he's posting disturbing videos, he's making threats, there are allegations out there? again, shouldn't that be part of the requirement when you're doing a welfare check, the behavior that's prompting the concern in the first place? >> sure, deborah. you asked a couple of questions in there. let me start with number one, yes, there's a record. it's called a cad report. it's a call log report when something calls in. it's either recorded or a dispatcher is taking very detailed notes saying, but in almost all of these, it is for the benefit of the person you're checking on because it goes something like this. i haven't been able to reach my loved one, son, daughter, father, grandfather, in about ten days. i've been leaving cell phone messages. i've been e-mailing, tweeting. they haven't responded to anything. so most times it is just, are they dead on the floor? that's what a welfare check is in 90% of the cases.

so yes, there's going to be a log of it. but that's what they're checking on, did he harm himself. now, if they had in fact thought that there was something going on, we have to look at the timeline, they're so important in these cases because what we're hearing is the manifesto and we know that was written later because he refers to on this date the police came and checked on me and they could have foiled me, so that's written at a later time. >> right, exactly. >> let's talk about the fourth amendment to the constitution of the united states. the united states citizens have a right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. you have an absolute right as a citizen in this country to say, no, you cannot come in my house. right then and there the police are stopped. they can't go any further. i know, i hear you sighing, but it's a good thing. it's not a police state. we don't want them kicking in doors in the middle of the night. >> i absolutely agree.

>> here's our issue. we have a problem with the mental health system. when you get somebody who has these problems, there has to be another mechanism. we've got to enable law enforcement to go further. what does that mean? that means going back to the legislature and saying, maybe creating like a response team and saying if in fact this call comes in on he's mentally disturbed heerks suicidal, he's going to hurt somebody, but that doesn't sound like that's what this was. my kid's gone off the grid, he's not really right. but doesn't sound to me like he said he's threatened somebody, he's suicidal. he answered all the appropriate questions, then their hands are tied. they can't legally go forward or the police department is getting sued. >> it has to be a holistic answer and we as a community have to address it from every level. parents have to be honest with law enforcement. law enforcement has to work with the parents. there's just got to be some

mechanism. if you have a threat assessment team that can go inside and do some meaningful look with follow-up, then perhaps we'll have moved the ball as opposed to everybody left sighing once again that this has happened. and i'm not sure that tom and lou are going to agree with me, but it's got to be a holistic approach, i really believe that from the bottom of my heart. >> legally speaking, you can't have a psychiatrist or a psychologist go in there on behalf of the police. >> i know lou wants to continue the conversation. i will continue that later. all right. thanks, everyone. we appreciate it. well, a father who lost a son on 9/11 says that people were dancing on his son's grave at a black tie gala. next, will outrage over the 9/11 museum force any changes there?

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another moment of outrage over the new 9/11 museum. big names in new york held a cocktail party at the memorial dressed in their finest. some families were already offended by the museum gift shop and plans to add a restaurant. we spoke with some of the families about this outrage. is it justified? >> you know what, deb, i think what's interesting here is a lot of these families, they wanted to see this museum built. they felt it was important for future generations to learn the lessons of this day but above all they want their loved ones to be honored. they have questions about

whether or not that's really happening now. they believe it isn't happening and they're calling for the immediate removal of some of these unidentified remains. jim rich has lost his son jimmy a firefighter on 9/11 but he won't set foot inside the museum to honor the victims. >> it's dis gusting. they're dancing on our sons' graves. they crossed the line. >> a cogpale party at the museum the same week it opened. an affront to those who are already fuming over the gift shop and the plans to open a restaurant and a $24 admission machine. >> its a money machine. >> the museum the defending the party which it calls a donor reception. in a statement, the museum's president joe daniels said, quote, it is absolutely appropriate to thank donors who gave hundreds of millions of dollars and others including family members who worked so hard to make the museum a

reality. part of that reality, generating revenue. museum organizers say it cost $65 million a year to run. but some families insist their loss shouldn't be part of a gain for any reason. >> to have a cocktail party over the graves of 8,000 human remains of new york city's heroes and victims is truly a sacrilege. >> the unidentified human remains are housed in the underground museum behind a wall, some family members feel the location isn't fit for a final resting place. they're vowing to fight to have their loved ones moved above ground, part of the memorial that's free to the public. >> we wanted to tell the story of the day. what happened, i think they lost track of what they were going to do. >> a group of these family members plans to get together later this week. they'll have a demonstration to try to highlight what they

believe is the importance of having these remains removed. >> so much pain still for these families. >> always. >> always, will never go away. thank you so much, appreciate that. president obama is heading home from a surprise visit to afghanistan but even after he returns to washington this week his week ahead will continue to focus on events beyond u.s. borders. here's cnn's erin mcpike. >> the president travels to west point on wednesday to deliver the commencement address, but he'll also lay out a clearer vision for his foreign policy approach that, especially in light of recent criticism to some of the things he's done, including his handling of the humanitarian crisis in syria as well as russia's military incursions into ukraine, now as far as that speech the concerned, a white house official tells us today you will hear the president discuss how the united states will use all the tools in our arsenal without overreaching. there's a lot at stake and now is the right time for this speech. that, of course, is especially

now that the u.s. is winding down this long period of war in both iraq and afghanistan where the president traveled today and says he has some decisions to make on how to proceed for the rest of this year. we likely will hear more about that on wednesday as well. erin mcpike, cnn, the white house. >> erin mcpike, thanks so much. why is it taking so long to get that inmarsat data from the missing malaysian airliner? check for more! well, i guess i can double check... my watch! [ male announcer ] it pays to double check, with state farm.

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so will this be the week that we finally get the release of data of the missing malaysian airliner? information would include communication between the satellite company inmarsat and the plane in its last four hours. richard quest takes a look at why this has taken so long. >> reporter: for days now we've been awaiting the publication of the so-called inmarsat data. this vital piece of raw data that explains why the satellite company and the investigators and the searchers all believe mh-370 flew south deep into the indian ocean. inmarsat has now compiled the raw data along with explanatory notes and have sent it to kuala lumpur where it's being combined with other information. what's not clear is why it's taking so long for the malaysians to release the

information. it's believed that discussions have gone backwards and forwards to assess the exact right amount to give out. give way too much of the raw data and you confuse everybody with a mass of computer numbers that will be meaningless. give way too little and you don't make it possible for people to understand how they came to the results that they've come to. getting it right is essential because they have to build confidence of the families and other people who criticize the very foundations of the search operation. it's expected the information will be released next week. richard quest, cnn, london. >> well, i'm deborah feyerick. you'll hear the very latest on the investigation into the terrible tragedy near santa barbara with details about what was learned about the gunman, his victims and friends and loved ones now in mourning. all of that is on "new day" starting tomorrow morning, 5:00

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