if you can't watch it tonight, dvr something. you will learn something. newsroom with brooke baldwin starts right now. >> good afternoon to you. here is what we know right now. this is all coming to cnn from a senate aid that the u.s. was warned. strong words from the president saying no matter what, no soldier is left by hind on the battlefield, defending his

decision to trade five taliban commanders for bowe bergdahl, who we hear is now improving and speaking english. >> you have a couple of parents whose kid volunteered to fight in a distant land who they have not seen in five year and were not sure that they would ever see again. as commander in chief, i am responsible for those kids. and i get letters from parents who say if you are in fact sending my child into war, make sure that child is being taken care of. many don't see their children fwen after fighting a war.

i make absolutely no abpologies for making sure we get back a young man to his parents. >> does the vow to leave no troops behind trump all else? curiosity now growing. lawmakers showing the proof of life tape intended to prove bergdahl's rescue was absolutely necessary. but what did it show? some say yes, bergdahl looked ill. others say he appeared drugs but many are convinced he was completely fine. will we the pup lick ever see that video? all of this is the number of flip-flops in congress continues to grow. going so far as deleting tweets supporting his release. let me go straight to you who was just on the phone getting the latest news from us.

i totally caught you. they have credible information. >> this is a briefing that administration officials had. last night the goal of that briefing was to calm down the anger on both sides of the aisle here about the fact that they were not briefed but also give them more information about why this swap was done. as you said, senator angus king is saying it himself. he said that they had intelligence that even the fact that these discussions leaked out, there was a reasonable chance that bowe bergdahl would have been killed.

the timing of telling congress the white house actually broke the law. >> let's talk about harry reid. he had an interesting response. roll it. >> the video that you all saw of sergeant bergdahl yesterday, some came out and said it looked like he was not in the greatest health. some came out and said it looked like maybe he was drugged. what was your impression? >> i don't know what was in his mind or what medicine he had taken. he just didn't talk with a lot of -- didn't speak too clearly. but here's the point. the issue is our great country had a soldier who has been in captivity for five years.

he has tried to escape a couple of times. under conditions he lived under were deplorable. >> the pressure that we are hearing from him and other senators who support this deal, this very controversial deal that the administration made is you have got to look at the basics and that is that regardless of the external circumstances, that regardless of whether he was really in bad shape, the number one thing, the most important thing is the credo of really no soldier behind. the fact that harry reid also made the point that the troop levels are being drawn down in afghanistan and it's time to get him home is very interesting. obviously harry reid is not only the top democrat in the senate but also somebody who agrees with the administration and making every effort to try to calm the concerns here in

congress. >> let me play one more clip, one more response. >> i'm not sure that i'm the only one. it's a big deal over nothing. the whole deal is, is it friday or saturday? what difference does it make? >> okay. i'm looking at your face. what did you think about that? >> i have not talked to senator reid's aides ability this but the whole line what difference does it make, is familiar. it is being used already against hillary clinton when she was testifying about again benghazig what difference does it make? this is a very different context and the question was about the fact that harry reid's office said he found out about the release on friday.

i should also tell you that i just talked to a republican senator who also said what difference does it make when we were briefed because we didn't like the whole deal to begin with. >> right. okay. just off the top here as we are learning credible information that, you know, had this news of a possible prisoner swap leaked that bergdahl would have been killed you know how this kind of thing works although this is a very rare situation. tenuo tenuous, life or death. the taliban are not a nice bunch

of people. big parts of the taliban disapproved of this negotiation, disapproved of releasing him. they would have preferred to behead him there are a lot of credible reports coming out of pakistan that very radical groups want to get ahold of him and do just that, behead him. he was always under danger. no one likes releasing him. it was done in the past, it was done now exit's not fair to single out this prisoner. president reagan dealt with iranianss and gave him arms and he got a pass on that. >> let me ask you about the proof of life videos that was shown last night. one of the explanations that the u.s. had to go in because of bergdahl's deteriorating held.

>> i did not expect to learn anything in this briefing. proof of life is based five months ago december. >> they had why the fact of these discussions leaked out. there was a reasonable chance bowe bergdahl would have been killed. and that was one of the pieces of information that we learned yesterday that gave it some creedance in terms of why it had to be kept quiet so long. >> let me just ask you. we played this so much this

bergdahl video with the members of the video and the hills. so you have seen him, the eyes blinking, his ability to walk, here he was. you know, just based upon your own expertise, could there be much more to his health perhaps than meets the eye? >> i don't think senators are capable of judging what his health was. clearly the white house thought he was in danger. again, i have been in this situation where a colleague of mine was kidnapped, beat up, we had pictures of him, we didn't move fast enough and he went on to die of pneumonia. you have to move fast. you can't, you know, no monday morning quarterbacking on this one.

i realize the pressure may be much different now when you think about really winding down afghanistan by the end of this year versus some years ago but how do you think that the administration swayed the intelligence community to finally go for it? >> all along we were running off of rhetoric. they were important. but these guys were in a gray area and they're not going to change the battlefield. nor is it going to make the taliban kidnap more american hostages. they already want to kidnap american hostages. they didn't need a release to

convince them of that. >> do you think they will go back and fight with the bad guys? >> they will go back. the people we have negotiated with are much more important. they are much more capable fighters and much more dangerous. at the same time it's clear to me that they are willing to talk to us which is a good sign. >> appreciate it. what legal advice president obama get during this deal? lawmakers demanding to know. also ahead, big story, general motors today firing employees in the ignition switch problem that led to the death of at least 13 people. i will talk to the sister of a young man who lost his life for her reaction. stay right here. humans. we are beautifully imperfect creatures

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>> what legal advice did president obama receive that gave him the green light to make the deal without telling congress? let me bring in paul about this one. paul, nice to see you. let's say you're the doj and the administration says the clock is ticking. >> i would say not with standing

my colleague's concept, my advice would be you're the commander in chief. if one of our soldiers is in danger and we have to act quickly to get him out, i think you can do it without having a problem. i don't think that that congressional law trumps his pow errs as commander in chief. the constitution is clear that he is commander in chief. >> you would have to get him in front of the supreme court to resolve it. this has always been a touchy issue between the branchs of government who is the most powerful, supreme court

president or the congress. and it's always been in the end decided that the supreme court decides the law. so i don't think we will ever have a clear answer on this unless it comes up in the future. >> if it comes up in the future, if it goes to the supreme court, what would be the worst case scenario. in the end would this be a ticked off congress? or more. >> not only would congress be ticked off, this sort of with con fregress has been going on a long time. even if the president agrees to do this, agrees to the law, he said i agree with most of the law. he said i put a reservation on the signature. it can't be changed. you have to have a constitutional amendment to do

that. the constitution reserves those powers to the president. >> okay. thank you. and your legal expertise on this one. i'm sure we will continue debating it. coming up, police say this man killed three police officers and wounded two others and they say they are still looking for him. plus i will speak to the woman. hear hir reaction to the new inside report issued today. stay with me.

so today, gm released the results of its internal investigation. 20 mostly senior or executive employees accused of misconduct or incompetence are simply not doing enough to fix the problem. >> first, we will do the right thing for those who were harmed.

and second, we will accept responsibility for our mistakes and commit to doing everything within our power to make sure this never happens again. >> gm estimates 13 people died while the company doddled. >> with and monica joins me now. monica, welcome. >> it was your brother who was driving in that cobalt, his best friend's cobalt of last year. his buddy was in the passenger seat. take me back. tell me what happened. >> they were on their way back

from celebrating his best friend's birthday. it was around 3:00 in the morning. and all of the sudden the far feared into oncoming traffic. we didn't know anything about the recall so it was assumed that he fell asleep behind the wheel. >> when did you start putting 2 and 2 together? >> we had all already known that something didn't seem right the way the accident happened. it was so sudden. there was no brake marks. there was nothing that indicate ed when we were told that it was

him falling asleep behind the wheel, we kind of took it as that and moved forward from there until we were contact ed. >> we were contacted by another family member whose son was involved in another accident. >> there were more questions about how many people could be involved in this recall.

>> there are several families that were not part of any of the 13 that were disclosed. >> gm is only counting frontal crashes where the air bags didn't deploy. many families believe the list should be much longer. you and your family were in that closed door meeting with the gm ceo. i believe that was the end of march. >> definitely not more assured. angry. >> there is misconduct. nothing was covered up and that

they do finally have definitive answers, does that make you feel better? >> no, it doesn't make me feel better. a lot of people died with not needing to. not only tied but injured over people that were involved in the oncoming accidents. i don't think that everybody is being accounted for. and i definitely think that there is something being covered up more that was a fault of gm. it could have been something that they are held responsible for. >> thank you. >> more news just in involving

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taken. we all know eyewitness accouns s he didn't get that message. the local officials said it appeared that he was disoriented and possibly under the influence of a hallucinogenic drug. there is a lot of hashesh and opium. it is common to see people smoking it. local taliban fighters came to that village on the backs of motorcycles and they grabbed him, that he resisted that.

they beat him up, changed into local clothes and took him away. this gets to the point, did he volunteer? >> was he seeking that out? >> this would say, again, if you believe this account, he says he was there that morning, this would then resist that to say that yes he did walk off the base but that he was forcibly taken and kidnapped. >> but it still doesn't clear up why he wandered away from that base to begin with. and this is from the afghan sfishl. what about any kind of u.s. response to this allegations? do we have anything? >> we don't yet to this particular account. the military report was put together that he had had instances. there was a pattern established there. who knows what he was doing.

his colleagues said he would go out to take a closer look. he talked about walking across the mountains. what this tells you is that when he walked out the night that he disappeared that he was taken not because he wanted to be taken but because the taliban saw the opportunity and captured him. >> that is fascinating. thank you for that development. >> thank you. >> and as we continue talking about the story, the five mid to high level members of the taliban whether or not were traded for bowe bergdahl. time puts it this way. was he worth it? bobby gosh is times international editor. this whole question of worth and value, let me play something.

senator angus king pointed out that at least the u.s. got something. >> there is a reasonable legal argument that these five guys would have had to be released anyway. when hostile cities cease, enemy combatants have to be released. we could have argued that we held them under other authority or civilian authority. if they had to be released anyway we would be in the same situation. >> how about that perspective. does king have a point? >> i can't say i am an expert on the law and certainly military law. the crux of the question is were these people considered enemy

combatants or terrorists? that's a crucial difference. i suppose that i think he has a point there. if these men were held as terrorists, that is a different calculation this is a conversation describing a senior taliban commander. asked whether the taliban would be inspired by this exchange he laughed. definitely he says. it's better to kidnap one person than kidnapping useless people. that has been part of this narrative in the wake of this story after it broke over the weekend. the impact part of the question. was it worth it? >> the deal was certainly from the taliban's point of view

eminently worth it. they got five of their own. for them the biggest gain is that the united states did a deal with them. that confirms to them their authority. they can now, you can bet they will in their propaganda say that this means the united states was willing to treat us as equals the afghan government will have a very different view on this. >> former cia, made the point the fact that the u.s. was talking to members of the taliban. he said that at least is a good thing. that there were conversations. bobby, thank you so much. again, from time magazine. just ahead, a manhunt is on to find this man police say he

killed three officers, wounded two others and neighbors are being told stay inside, lock your doors. what happened? why is this man on this rampage? where could he be now? that story is next.

>> underway right now in canada, a manhunt for a cop killer in a city named most polite. people are on edge. they are told to lock their doors, stay inside, leave your lights on. that's because police say this 24-year-old man here dressed in fatigues is on the loose. police say he used a rifle to shoot and kill three royal canadian mounted police officers and wounded two others. they spotted him three times today in the area but could president catch him.

now to why it is called most polite? 0 homicides in 2011 and 2012. cnn national correspondent joins me with more on this one. they are looking for this guy. there is a confrontation between the man and police? tell me how it went down. >> a lot of this unfolded on social media. the minute the suspect started walking through the neighborhood, people took out their cell phones and started recording and snapping images and posting it on face book and twitter. one family looked outside their window and saw police outside. heard the shooting and started recording. you can see how terrifying this was for the people who witnessed it. >> oh my gosh. >> he shot him. >> oh my god.

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become such an enigma. when he dies he doesn't want his tombstone to read here lies a racist. what does redemption look like for him? does it look like i want an apology from the nba? i want the lifetime ban lifted. i want the fine i raced. >> on the point of the lifetime ban, that was huge news when adam silver came forward and so do you even think from a legal perspective that that could be negotiable with the sale? >> i do think it's possible. we have said it all along and i have said it over and over

again. we are in unprecedented territory we just learned about the nba constitution. i think everything is on the table. and we know that the nba wants to put this to bed. i want it put to bed. if this is what it takes, lifting that ban, removing that fine, perhaps the nba is willing to do that. maybe if he shows up at a clippers game -- maybe as long as he is not the owner there will be peace in the end? just ahead as cnn gets raddy to air another episode of the sixties right now focusing on the cold war, france preparing two separate state dinners because president obama and putin are at odds.

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>> the timing on this story. it airs. . >> let me repeat. two separate state zdinners fora high level g-7 summit. let's all wonder out loud if this is the new cold war. let me bring in richard reeves. kennedy, profile with power. so, welcome to you.

>> thank you. just to keep these two men apart? >> there is no place better to have a dinner than in spars, they can handle two dinners at one time. and also through the history of the cold war, and until now, france has always tried to stay a little bit off the united states' track. they have been dealing with the russians all along through the last century and this one. and they feed people well. >> i have eaten in paris but the notion of two separate state dinners. >> private meetings.

he is taking part in d-day ceremonies. he is out of the g-8. quoting him here, it's better not to argue with woman. so that's the quote from pew tin. when people push boundaries it's not because they're strong but they are weak. what do you think of that? >> the weak party here is in the 60s it was the soviet union and it was the other super power. it has got a big of a thug

aauthoritarian leader. he would like to push the boundaries literally. but shift the perceptions of the united states, the power of the united states and the power of russia so for him, two dinners is kind of a sign of equality is a good deal. >> when you hear these comparisons is that a fair fear currently? >> i think what we oar seeing is a tepid war. where both the united states and soviet union had the capacity to destroy each other. and in the end they didn't.

that's the triumph of the 60s. what saved the world if that is what happened was because each of them recognized that the other guy was just a politician in a different system and they worked it out the way politicians do and also wasn't their first rodeo. and kennedy had secretly worked out a deal and solved their own problems.

and then they were higher the next year. >> not their first rodeo. listen, looking at the relationship between putin and obama now and the chilliness, not their first rodeo either. thank you so much, sir, i hope you watch the latest installment of the sixties tonight. and we roll on. i'm brooke baldwin. shocking new claims about the night bowe bergdahl was captured. he watched as villagers warn bergdahl that he was in danger, warning him go back to your base. but they were not able to community. bergdahl didn't speak their local language and they didn't speak english. bergdahl saying he appeared to

be under the influence of a hallucinogenic substance. he was reportedly beaten and kidnapped. plus we are learning about the deal as for the law to swap for five gitmo detaineesful bergdahl's life was in danger. he was told if the news was leaked he would be killed. le met go straight to jake tapper. what do you thak of that news? >> i don't doubt it. we have heard by many that the taliban was threatening dergd's life. a counter argument was that congress was brought into the

loop. not everybody in congress but key members were brought in on on the osama bin laden operation and the argument was you can't tell me this was more sensitive than that. the one of the questions has been if he did actually dessert or abandon his post, was he consciously seeking the taliban? it sounds as though he was not seeking the taliban but that he did leave the base.

you wrote a piece on that for vnn.com. what do you think? >> two individuals on the record, his platoon leader, squad leader and more both told me they heard an interpreter listening to insurgent chatter and the insurgent said that an american soldier walked into this village. he wanted to find somebody that spoke english and wanted to talk to the taliban. that is hearing somebody describe it. the next thing we know is there is a wiki leak, a war log from that time that mentions chatter. i went back to one of the sergeants in question and asked him. he said the war log must have left that off because he heard it with his own ears and he notified his superior officers.

now here is the other facet to this. the idea that bergdahl was looking for the taliban, if true, one person very familiar with the investigation says it would square with what he had heard, but that maybe a dreamer with a messianic sense of mission he was trying to make peace or apologize or discuss things with the taliban, not that he was seeking to join. >> but wanted to communicate with them? >> so how, through we know that his health thus far is number one priority. do we have any idea what point these key questions will be asked of him? >> they will be asked as soon as the army feels like he is mentally prepared to answer

them. the truth of the matter is we have no idea if that has already started. we may be told something by the military or government that such and such is happening but we don't actually know what is really going on. >> let's get to john mccain. i understand you called him out on a couple of things? >> well, this is what happened earlier this week, i ran some sound on anderson's show in which senator mccain sounded inclined to accept a deal. >> this is just an attack by the obama-files. then i went on and said again

after being asked i obviously would have to know the details. for anyone to accuse me therefore of saying i would support any prisoner swap is lying. there were a lot of tweets and signs out but now that he is home -- >> delete, delete, delete. >> exactly. >> thanks. we will look for some saltiness from you, sir.

as jake and i were alluding to, getting new information from this local afghan official about the night, what do we know? but until the u.s. military can question bow burg, once he's out of that recovery face, once it is believed he can with stand some more questioning, then there might be more facts. maybe yes, maybe know. we don't know.

one of the things they are continuing to say here is innocent until proven guilty. they want to get him better and then hear his side of the story. >> coming up here as we have been discussing. all kinds of strong opposition. why bob gates was very uncomfortable with this idea in the past. and then president obama, have you seen this? work out caught on a cell phone camera. we will talk with a man who was in the room and happened to be working out with the president when this was taken.

>> welcome back. more now on all the backlash against the release of bowe bergdahl. you are report iing we're heari from bob gates that he was very uncomfortable with swapping detainees for bergdahl back in 2011. we have heard skept similar from hillary clinton that they would turn around and fight with the bad guys.

but despite all of that, green light. >> pretty powerful group of people. of of who were uncomfortable with it. they are gone. so the question we are asking is the appropriate one. what the white house is starting to do know is lift the veil there were concerns about sergeant bergdahl's life and that there were also worried about his health. also, you know, i would have to say the timing of this is important. this is a president who has wound down wars in iraq and afghanistan. this is a legacy issue. no person.

>> he promised by the end of this year that they would all be out. >> they knew con fress would be ticked when they did this but they didn't realize how loud this chorus would be. >> what they were anticipating was the outcry on the national security front which is you're letting five really bad guys go so for a year they will be watched and then they can go back and do what they want to do. the white house was also quite aware of questions surrounding sergeant bergdahl but they did

not anticipate the way people would be coming out of the wod work the president trying to make the point, these are parents. he is a young guy. they want to know that he's alive and we we saved him and the rose garden ceremony backfired on him. the jury is out on who he is. however, the notion that you leave no soldier left behind, i should say, is something that i think everyone agrees on, which is that it's a matter of keeping faith with the troops. but they didn't anticipate the personal questions about bergdahl and his family, not so

soon. >> let's remind everyone to read your piece. thank you, ma'am, appreciate it. coming up, speaking of the preside president. >> talk about the man who is lifting weights with the president when this video was taken. plus dr. sanjay gupta pumps iron as well. what is the message the president is sending? we will chat next.

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>> welcome back. you're going to see this video seeing the president. >> especially since there were other hotel guests in the gym working out next to him. officials say the president was never in any danger. we know the president frequently works out in hotel gyms and traviss. he's on the road a lot. we have seen him shooting hoops with a bunch of members of his staff. do we think he's in shape? also joining me from warsaw.

>> asked us to leave. i wanted to finish my work. they didn't do that. >> what was it like when you first walked away. . . >> ended up with security

guards. >> i'm coming back to you. let -- quick little reps. >> he is there in the gym which is terrific. >> good for him. >> terrific and busy travel schedule. i would hate to get video tape of me working out. every single thing will be critiqued. the elliptical, that's probably a pretty good thing for a cool down, it's not an intense exercise. it probably doesn't do nearly what you think it will do and causes a lot of hyper reflection of the knee. so people who have knee injuries can make it worse. they are showing a seated press. that's a big work out. i think we have some of that video. he is sort of moving those weights around this area up

here. not really bringing the weights all the way down it's interesting. i can't see how much weight he is lifting there. >> how big were these barbells? were you doing some eves dropping? >> it was 12 kilos. >> 25 pounds. you're the personal trainer. how's his form? >> it is great that he has such a training regime and he is consistent with what he's doing. as for the technique, i can't honestly say that it's perfect.

how were you checked out security wise? >> we were all scanned for weapons and stuff like that before we entered the gym. all the members are known so there was no random people in there. there was no chance to do any harm to anybody. >> thank you so much for joining me. so make sure you watch this saturday on cnn. france is preparing not one but two state dinners because

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>> bottom of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. what started as a transfer has

now morphed into a political fire storm. a lot of lawmakers out there are unrelenting. enter an independent lawmaker. >> i am a little bit amused of -- we have got 535 president of states and attorneys here. meanwhile we're not getting anything done. >> let's start there with my next two guests on the left. >> we are still very early on in

the sfajs but also there was a great point made earlier. i think the administration has a lot of questions to answer. >> lots of them on both sides of the aisle jumping in. >> i want to point out that bergdahl is still in the hospital. we're talking about an american pow that we don't even know if he is able to talk or communicate with people. he was used as a pawn he should not be a pawn here. the same republicans would have atacted the president for not getting him home. we don't want this guy.

>> i hear you. let me just pose this back to you. this notion from this senate add. >> if you can't trust our senate intel committee there is a plob. that's the big concern. what are they going to do? open up the back door and let all the rest of the terror detainees out? that's the big concern.

hopefully he gets home safe toon. the biller question is what we're doing. >> the president zim said yesterday that they could very likely go back and fight with the bad guys. >> nobody on either side is on the side of the taliban. he cannot be ham strung when it comes time to getting a soldier home. very disturbing videos. i will say this. it is better that he's home here.

so putin said this, it's better not to argue with women. he later said that weakness is not the worst quality for a woman. this is a guy who has run over. >> that's a visual. hillary clinton is not weak. you're weak when you're a bully and running over other countries. he needs to back down because

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>> the music, the light, the crowds. it looks like a rock concert. the lines around the block are enough to make any nightclub enve envieou envieous. this is church. and some new yorkers can't seem to get enough of their unlikely pastor. >> i will not say though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death, i take a look at my life -- >> with his leather jackets and body ink, he looks more like the head of a biker gang. >> the lord is my shepherd and i lack nothing. one two three, huslers. >> but this 35-year-old basketball fanatic. a walk on at nc state who calls himself the unofficial chaplain for the new york niknicks is a

pastor. >> if you ran from church your whole life because you didn't like the organization. we meet in a club. we're not going to preach a message you think you're going to hear. >> you take issue when people call this religion? >> i do. you can be religious about being a car thief or a religious criminal. we have a relationship with god. >> i got on my knee and said jesus, i need to give you a shot with this in charge. >> we have tried to create a place that is safe for people.

that is like a home for people. it's not for everyone and that's okay. that's the great diversity and the beauty of the house of god, the church. ♪ >> on an average sunday, some 6,000 followers pour in over the day's five services. >> baptisms are in a hotel swooming pool. >> this narrow gate to jesus, some people are rolling right by it. >> watch him preach and his intensity silences the entire

congregation. >> jesus is here. >> whether or not you agree with his message, there is no denying he is magnetic. >> you cannot find hope. this has to be your moment. let me try the chief shepherd that has never tried anybody. let me give the creator a shot at life. >> is he the next joel osteen? >> could well will. >> while they're complaining, moses is already praising. >> brian houston founded hill song h song 30 years ago. >> are you concerned that people are coming for them more than for the message? >> not really. people are lining up for church in london, capetown, paris. carl is magnetic attractive guy. the tattoos are a problem. >> you don't like the tattoos? >> they're okay. they're okay. >> they're stickers.

>> bucket list. >> he seems to revel in the spotlight. but he would prefer you focus on his preaching rather than his wardrobe. he says he's been blocked from visiting inmates because prison staff thought he looked more like a criminal than a cleric. >> it's so funny when people make comments about the way that we look almost like they don't mean to be judgmental but i often say what should we look like. you are implying that there is an outfit i could wear that would bring peace to you. the point of our faith is come exactly how you are? >> jesus came and rose again so that you can have life. >> the way you dress, the tattoos, it gets people talking. is that a bad thing? >> you wonder why they call it a hipster church. >> hipsters are -- >> do you own a mirror? >> first of all, let me explain. a hipster is someone who lives

in brook lynn who has a much better beard. >> where do you live? >> williamsville, brooklyn. >> it draws crowds and skeptics. >> any time a church can get people in the door it's a good >>. >> but if we're getting them in under the guise of a cool experience, is that going to sustain them? >> reporter: when church and cool collide. >> whenever a celebrity pastor becomes the draw, it's a distraction from jesus and that should be the draw. >> i don't know that the big lights and sound and music and style of a church is going to transform a young person's arrive in the long run. >> reporter: some might say, this is christianity light. >> i don't buy any of it.

>> even when your bank account says zero, we have jesus. no fear. >> i've heard the other critical bent, like if you have a lot of people coming, you must be doing something wrong which is the weirdest concept in history. wherever jesus went, there were absolute throngs of people trying to get to him. >> reporter: and throngs of people try to just get into hillsong. >> our goal is not to turn into a cult. >> reporter: have people said that it's cultish? >> for sure. even though it's the preposterous allegation in history. we preach the opposite. you should go home and question what i preach. you should look it up in your own bible. >> reporter: but getting the american youth to read the bible is more and morn different.

a 2012 pew study found that there's a big jump from past generations. >> some people say it's filled with young people. no, it's not. we just actually have some. >> reporter: are you criticized what we picture as church? >> i'm not criticizing it. i'm just calling it what it is. >> christianity should be about unbridled contagious joy but religion has hijacked the fundamental ingredient of our faith. >> poppy looks at how this is making big bucks in the process. is this changing the alternative style of religion in the future? stay right here. (mother vo) when i was pregnant...

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and we're back at this church for the millennial crowd with music and dancing.

yes, it's a church evolving with the time. poppy harlow continues the look at this new york church which is unconventional. >> reporter: hillsong church is drawing in the crowds and making big money. one reason, their christian rock band, hillsong united. some news reports have pegged the church's worth at 50 million to 100 million. are those numbers right? >> it would be in the ballpark. >> you can make out a check to hillsong church. >> reporter: tything is accepted. credit cards accepted: people may say they live in a cool neighborhood on the river. that's not what i equate church with. >> if you go down that road, you can't be poor enough for people. we're never going to cater to

that mind set of people telling us how to live. >> reporter: as the pastor carl lentz rises, he has celebrities that surround him. >> the goal of our church is from the nameless to the famous. our church should have celebrities, we believe, because we're trying to reach everybody. >> reporter: justin bieber tweeted, i broke down today after one of lentz's sermons. we wanted to know where lentz falls on social issues and politics. >> my thing is that jesus transcends politics. >> reporter: some of his positions are clearer than others. don't get drunk, no sex before marriage. our gay men and women allowed in

the church? >> yes, we have a lot of gay men and women in the church and i hope we always do. >> it's not our place to tell anyone how to live. that's their journey. >> reporter: every article that i've read about you guys says he declined to discuss gay marriage. >> yes. it's a misquote because i do discuss it, just not the way people want me to. when it comes to homosexuality, i refuse to let another human being or a media moment dictate how we approach it. jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent. and i'm still waiting for someone to show me a quote where jesus addressed it on the record for people. you won't find it because he never did. >> reporter: but people are finding hillsong. some 3,000 just showed up. >> the thing is that we seem to

do well with other people's struggles. >> reporter: so will we not see you in the bible belt? >> i believe we are where we are meant to be. >> reporter: lentz doesn't dream of building a mega church. >> nice cars, prosperity for us is simply knowing jesus and having the right to repent from the sinful life and cling to that cross every day. >> thank you guys for waiting. we didn't expect it to be at capacity. >> reporter: but he is redefining church for some. >> whether you like it or not, god is your shepherd. he has never failed anybody and he's not going to start with you whether you like it or not. you need to hear it. he is going to lead you into something better. >> poppy harlow with that fascinating report. thank you so much. go to our belief blog for a bigger part of the story at

cnn.com/belief. if you ever miss anything on this show, go to the brooke blog, cnn.com/brooke. thank you for being with me. let's go to washington because "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. extraordinarily new details about the night that bowe bergdahl disappeared and about his possible attempts to get away. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the world lead. fresh claims that sergeant bergdahl was spotted in an afghan village possibly on a hallucinogenic drug before the taliban captured him and he may have tried to disappear once but twice. and gm recalls and 13 people leading to their lives and a pattern of incompetence and neglect. is that any comfort for the victims' families? and the politics lead. president obama and vladimir putinil