ieks rand i'm randi kaye. there is a shooting at seattle pacific university. one person, a 20-year-old male was killed and wounded three others. a press conference is set to begin at any moment. here is what we know at this hour.

wefr wfrg there there there one witness says it sounded like popping. there were pools of blood. it is not clear whether the shooter is a university student or not but the gunman was in the process ref loading a shotgun when the security guard tackled him to the ground using pepper spray. that person in police custody. seattle pacific is a small christian school, a population of 4,000, in a high-income neighborhood, just three miles from the space needle. one of the students inside the classroom while the shooting broke out is brianna clark. she was in class as that shooting was taking place. and she spoke with anderson cooper earlier tonight.

>> what is the latest you have gotten? >> reporter: unfortunately, as a student, i'm sure that i haven't heard as much as you have. you have heard across multiple channels of different people. >> where are you? actually, where were you when the shooting began, i should ask? >> i was a couple classrooms down from where the shooting occurred. >> so what did you hear. >> i heard two loud but muffled shots. what i believed were helium balloons popping. this is a science building and i thought an experiment was being conducted, and i ran out to join a classroom thinking it was another professor giving a demonstration and then unfortunately i was actually coming across danger and who knew? so i walked into the hallway and saw a classmate of mine running frantically saying someone was shot and lockdown the building and so i had to go back inside the classroom and tell the other students to conduct this as like if it was a test. >> when you heard the initial shots, you said you heard two shots initially? >> correct.

>> about how far away were you from the location of the gunshots? do you know? >> i believe only a couple classrooms down, about maybe three, four classrooms. >> and to your knowledge, did those shots occur in a hall or in another classroom? >> i believe it was in the classroom. the time of day that it is is during classroom period, not a passing period, and so i believe the suspect was probably after victims who were in class with him. >> you say the suspect was probably after victims but you don't know for a fact that the person was particularly targeting anybody, any specific people, do you? >> correct. we don't know whether it was someone from outside or inside that, you know, in other words, someone who was a pedestrian or someone that we knew as a class or a student. >> right. >> i believe it was someone who was a student. >> why do you say you believe that? >> just because this is a quiet

community, christian campus, and there's really no angst. you know, this is not something i would see someone victimize on other people in this community. it's very quiet and away from the city. no one would really even know where this campus was even passing it. i suspect -- >> there's about 4,000 students at the school. are most of these students boarding there or are they day students? >> correct. correct. so most of these are in the dorm and it's freshmen and sophomores in the dorms really right across the street. >> okay. now, without -- i don't want you to give away your current location, are you still in lockdown? >> no. we were escorted thankfully about ten minutes after hearing what i believe was a second round of shootings, we were escorted outside by two police officers out of the building across the street and that's

where i still am watching to see if anymore of my own friends that are, unfortunately, injured. >> you said you heard two shootings initially. and then about -- then how long a space of time was there until the next round of shootings you said you heard? >> i only believe about two minutes in between that. >> so you heard two shots and then there were about two minutes went by and how many shots did you hear? >> i would say probably about three more. >> and was that in the same location or was that in a different location to your knowledge? >> the way that the school design is, i wouldn't know whether or not the suspect moved or not, but the sound intensity was about the same. >> and then did you see the suspect apprehended by police? we're told the suspect is in police custody. >> i heard that the suspect was in custody but when i was escorted out, i saw a gentleman on the ground unconscious and that's who i believed the

suspect was. >> you saw somebody on the ground unconscious. >> correct. >> what made you believe that person was a suspect? >> because there were bullet cases surrounding him. >> okay. but you don't believe that was perhaps one of the suspect's -- one of the people shot by the suspect? >> it could have been. either way i'm just as panicked. >> yeah. >> you don't expect to see bullet casings around anyone. you know? especially at this school. >> of course. i appreciate you talking to us. i know it's not easy and i appreciate you letting us know what you saw and just stay safe. i wish you the best. >> i appreciate that very much. thank you. >> all right. briana clarke, a student there. as that was unfolding. we are bringing in lou, an enforcement officer. first, no known motive, at least at the moment.

what are police looking for, at this hour, would you say? >> well, information that is going to allow them to create a profile of this individual. who he was, what made him -- research his computers, any kind of devices he had. the internet. canvas neighborhoods. speak to neighbors. try to identify who he was in the community. in other words, if he was a student, they are going to interview student and probably teachers in the classroom. they are just going to continue to push in every direction to get a clear understanding about who the individual was and what, clearly, what made him carry out this act. >> i was to remind our viewers as we continue this, we are awaiting a press conference by the police department. you can see on the lower part of your screen. there's the podium, as we wait for that to get started. lou, we know the gunman was tackled as he was reloading his shotgun. we learned that in the earlier press conference. the shooter clearly wasn't finished. what does this tell us about

him? anything? >> about the shooter? >> mm-hm. >> that he wasn't intent on carrying out this act. he wasn't finished harming people. i would say a good population of the individuals there, seizing an opportunity during the reloading process, to apprehend him. short of that, i think he was probably held bent on harming as many people as he possibly could until he ran out of ammunition. >> what do you make of these students? a student security guard, one of our affiliates saying it was an rotc student. that was reported by kiro. but they pepper sprayed him, tackled him, held him down, a group of them, once he was on the ground and waited for police. certainly considered heros tonight. was that the right thing to do? >>? my opinion, it absolutely was. there may not have been any other alternative short of them becoming victims themselves.

i think what we are seeing a bit of a push back of individuals, whether on college campuses or any particular environment, not intent to be victims any longer. they are going to respond to these incidents, should the opportunity arise. and i think that was a clear demonstration. and i have to say, the average person who is the intelligent, would have fled. some of these people chose, maybe by circumstance, didn't have any choice, but they chose to entrust this individual, which turned out to be to the benefit of everyone in that proximity of the shooter. p. >> what would the challenge have been in terms of locking down a campus of this size at this time. >> there are about 12,000 residents.

so maybe they have about 200 police officers at best. and they don't have the resources. cumulatively, with the support of college police, which has presence as well, it is a pretty broad undertaking. very difficult. because you have to realize, they are commingling. not only locking down and creating a perimeter around the college environment, but also attempting to identify at the same time, locations that are crime scenes. trying to retrieve cameras, films, dvr was of this incident. trying to seek out other individuals who may have been hurt. witnesses. trying to determine if in fact other devices, such as those that were left by the columbine shooters that were in place, explosive devices. so it is a huge undertaking. i always say this. there are two things that solve problems. money and bodies. you need personnel. and the good fortune once again to have access to the fbi.

>> lou, stay with us. it looks like the press conference is starting. let's listen in. >> good evening. first, let me say that this is a tragic day for seattle pacific university and the city of seattle. our hearts and prayers, or thoughts and prayers, excuse me, go out to the victims, their families, the staff and student at seattle pacific university. but while i'm on that subject, i would really like to remind everyone here, that the actions of the subject in this case, do not define seattle pacific university nor the city of seattle. and the actions of the student and staff on-site, those are the things that define seattle pacific university. so, as you hear the information here today, i'd hope you keep that in mind and realize this story is not about an evil act but about the people that actually lived through this

scenario and assisted each other when things were pretty tragic. as we go through here, we will good through the outline of what happened today and then we will have a short question and answer session. please hold questions until the end so we can get through the information. here we have tonight our partners. they include the seattle fire department. the federal bureau of investigation. and alcohol tobacco and firearms. and together, with the seattle police officers that responded, they made up a great response team to this tragic event. so to initiate the overview of today's event, i'm going to bring up captain chris faller. he is the incident commander for this event. >> thank you, chief. >> so, today at approximately 1523 hours we had an initial call of a shooting at seattle pacific university in one of

their halls there. officers responded at approximately 3:27. and they were able to make entry at that point. and we found out subsequently that one individual had entered the school with a shotgun, proceeded to fire several rounds. a student monitor who works inside of that facility overed the suspect reloading a shotgun and was able to stop the individual that point. pepper sprayed that person. then got them to the ground where other people inside of the facility were able to subdue him. and they waited for police to arrive. once the officers were on the scene, they went in, able to take the individual into custody. and then cleared the rest of the facility. there were a lot of other student that were hiding. thanks to seattle pacific

university's quick response in locking down the facility and the rest of the campus, able to put a tactical plan together with other resources within the department and able to get those student out safely. >> i'd like to bring up fire chief jay hagan and he will talk about some of the injuries today. >> good evening. while we hope to never have to use it, today we activated our multiple casualty incident response plan. our role under that plan is to triage, treat and transport the injured people. this is a coordinated effort between our partners and multiple first responder agencies. seattle police secured the scene to make sure it was safe for our firefighters and paramedics to treat those injured people. onscene, the officers created a transportation corridor to allow our medics a clear and quick

path for the rapid transport of those injured patients. we also activated today our disaster medical control center at harborview. the dmcc directs patients to the most appropriate medical care for treatment. our firefighters and paramedics treated and quickly transported four patient to harborview medical center. nothing is more important to us than keeping our citizens safe. we will continue to practice with our law enforcement partners to provide the best possible emergency response. >> so the initial response was handled by patrol officers and seattle fire department. and then as per policy, we activated an investigation, predominantly by the homicide and assault unit. i need to clarify again, that this investigation is not only active, it's ongoing. and it is going to be very dynamic. some of the information i will give you now is subject to change. and what we will do is, as we

get information that needs to be updated, we will utilize both the twitter@seattle pd and spd blotter. we have one suspect in custody for this shooting. white male approximately 26 years of age. i'm not going to give his name but our policy is at this time we will not give names until they have been booked into jail or charged. once we are at that step of the investigation, our public unit will release that information. right now the subject will be booked into jail under the charge of investigation of murder. at this time, through the investigative process, it appears, and i say it appears, that suspect acted alone. however, the detectives will continue to follow up on this area to make sure there are no other outstanding suspects.

during the incident itself, the subject was armed with a shotgun. and a knife. he also had additional rounds on his person. and but for the great response by the people at seattle pacific university, this incident might have been much more tragic. we do expect the subject to be booked into jail relatively soon, but as i stated, the investigation process is continuing and again, when that happens, we will have our public information unit work with you. our crime scene investigators are still processing the scene. i'm sure you can imagine this is a pretty dynamic scene. a lot of witnesses to ann't view, a lot of evidence to recover, and to try to get a clearer picture as to what may have transpired. even with that, the team is working as quick as we can so we might be able to turn the facility back over to seattle pacific university. speaking about seattle pacific

university, we've add great ongoing relationship with the university in terms of providing a response protocols and assisting them in setting up their potential response it a situation like this and they've been very good partners. we tried to work outweighs that they could prevent and support a response effort in the event that this should happen. and today's events appear to us that those policies and procedures that they work so hard on were not only implemented but helped reduce the possibility of this tragic event today. and so for that, we're very, very appreciative. again i say that investigation is ongoing and i fully expect that some of the information here today to change slightly but at there point in time, that's our best picture. and those things that we know that we can give you, that we believe are a solid piece of information as possible. as the detectives continue with their investigation, we fully expect them to get more information. and at such time, if we get

anything that's truly earth shattering or something we need to, we will call another press conference. but you should probably just monitor the spd blotter and or the twitter feed. so at this point, we're going to open the floor up for questions and answers. it will be relatively short. if you could let me know who you want the question directed to, we will make sure that person is here for you. >> pli last name, mcdonagh. first name's paul. go ahead. [ inaudible ]mpli last name, mc. first name's paul. go ahead. [ inaudible ]ypli last name, mc. first name's paul. go ahead. [ inaudible ] last name, mcdona. first name's paul. go ahead. [ inaudible ] >> you know, i don't have that information. but if it is in fact part of the investigation, we'll get through that. i think the other thing to remember here, is it's really not about the suspect. their access speak for themselves. i think what we need to focus on is those that survived. and unfortunately the victims in this, sorry. ed with one over here. [ inaudible ] >> we don't have that information right now. but again, working with our partners we hope to trace it

back it figure out where he did secure the firearm.tit figure od secure the firearm.pit figure o did secure the firearm.it figurd secure the firearm.oit figure o did secure the firearm.t figured secure the firearm. figureout w secure the firearm. [ inaudible ] >> i don't know an exact number. i just know he had rounds on him. through csi we will find out how many round he had. [ inaudible ] >> i don't have that right now. i know the detectives will try to get that information. but again, through the investigative process we will have to see. [ inaudible ] >> at this point, i know he wasn't a student at the school. that's all i know. [ inaudible ] >> certainly. patient number one was a male in his 20s. and he received gunshot wounds to his upper body. we did cpr on that individual at the scene and all the way to the hospital. and that individual was pronounced dead at harborview medical center. patient number two, is a female in her 20s.

and she received a gunshot wound to her upper body as well. she was in very serious condition and headed for the operating suite when we left her. patient number three, a male in his 20s, he received pellet type wounds to his neck and chest area. and that patient, when he left our care, was listed in stable condition. patient number four was also a male in his 20s that received minor wounds to the abdominal region. we transferred a total of four patients. [ inaudible ] >> i really can't. [ inaudible ] >> no, you know, i'm sorry, i just don't have that information. i know they were minor in nature and i know they were in the be a n abdominal region. probably the best information will be from harborview.

[ inaudible ] >> we will let chief mcdonough handle that one. >> the question is, is the hero in the hospital. i know it's not easy for you but there are a number of heros in this. as captain fowler said, an individual made initial contact, then another person helped, then another person assisted them. this is a tragedy and the family, the victims' families, it is heart breaking. but if there is any good light in this, it is that the people around them stepped up. [ inaudible ] >> i actually can't clarify that. when i was at scene, it was pretty dynamic back and forth. we will probably be able to clarify that tomorrow or at a later date. >>. [ inaudible ] >> yeah. right now, i don't have that information. but when i last left them, we

didn't have anything like that. we are looking at a vehicle, possible suspect vehicle. but again, detectives haven't said yes, that's it. again we want to make sure we eliminate all other possibilities. >> yeah. >> well, i believe it was rolling. and i do believe that it assisted officers on-site. but much more than that, i don't know. we don't get access to that. that becomes part of the evidence train. once the detectives release it, then we can see it. >>. [ inaudible ] >> so what i was trying to say is unfortunately with situations like this, we tend to focus on just the suspect. there's the tragedy in that. suspect creates an evil act.

we only focus on the individual. not those either the victims or people that have supported them. and so, that's what i think we need to focus on here. because regular citizens, stepped up and tried to do the right thing. and in this case, i believe they prevented a more horrible tragedy than it was today. as far as seattle public university, i think any school that takes steps, even basic steps, has a benefit long-term. yeah? [ inaudible ] >> you know, i can't confirm that. there were different numberes. i'll wait for the detectives to let us know. [ inaudible ] >> i don't. as captain fowler said, multiple shots were fired. but began we will wait for csi to tell us the exact number that they can document on-site. [ inaudible ] >> well, it's not uncommon in situations like this that there is more than one suspect.

or that we get reports of that. because people see only pieces or parts of it. with that in mind, we did treat, like we had a second suspect, we found out he wasn't a suspected, so he's been cleared. [ inaudible ] >> probably, yes. though i don't want to speak for the detectives. but the long gun is the long gun in question used in this event. actually, i'll go this side, then that side. [ inaudible ] >> well, years ago back when chief ker could you ski was still here, he demanded that all departments worked with all of the schools in the city of seattle to develop plans an procedures in the event something like this would happen. >> what more can you say -- >> i'm going here because i pushed her off. i'll come right back to you. [ inaudible ] >> no, i didn't say he had a

handgun. [ inaudible ] >> i will have to wait for homicide to tell us that, investigators. we know he used the shotgun. [ inaudible ] >> did he offer any motive -- mental crisis -- >> we don't know that. but those are avenues that, if the subject is working with them, we will go to that determination. [ inaudible ] >> i don't have a criminal history right now. i can't say, we don't release that until after charging and booking. [ inaudible ] >> i don't have that information. >> so being at the scene, and of course detectives will give a much clearer picture at the scene and how it works, it appears that the individual with the shotgun appeared to enter that particular location

immediately encountered the students there shut the three individuals that were there and was not able to get any further because of the actions of the other student while he was reloading. >>. [ inaudible ] >> well, there was a -- there was a seating area. so it is a lobby. but there is seating in there. >> we don't know that. we don't know whether there was a shooting. one of the victims was found outside. but not sure how that victim ended up outside. so that's part of the ongoing investigations. >>. [ inaudible ] >> so we don't have that information. because that would be part of the active investigation. if we release information now, it could contaminate a potential witness in the future.

so if there is someone that has information like that, we would like them to come forward and talk to us. but if they are already on-site, they should be interviewed on-site. >> we will just take a few more questions here. [ inaudible ] >> you know, i can't. because i haven't had any contact with them. most i saw was when he was in the patrol car just before he was transported. >>. [ inaudible ] >> actually i don't have that information. i haven't seen the shotgun. >> so the incident is not over yet. it is still transpiring. but i would say that shooting portion was relatively short. won't get lock need a time line. and the initial response took time but the part that was drug out was when we started to look for additional shooters and other victims throughout the whole building it self. so they searched every room in the building. >> shortly after arrival from

what i understand. but again that will come out as the detectives get their interview statements, et cetera. [ inaudible ] >> i can't answer that. but we will follow the normal procedure for booking into county jail. what they do after that is up to them. [ inaudible ] >> that's the procedure we have based on policy and procedure. other incidents, you want to make sure there isn't another suspect trying to escape. in this case, we thought for a little while there was a second suspect. so it is a safety precautionary measure for students, the fire people treating them, then the officers. [ inaudible ] >> i don't know if they prohibit it or not. you would have to talk to spu about that. >> we don't have any

confirmation anyone true a weapon on anyone. we do know they had pepper spray. >> you've been listening to a press conference by the seattle police department. the shooting at the seattle pacific university. you were listening there to chief paul mcdonough. he was giving us a rundown on what they have learned since the shooting, in case you are joining us. one suspect in custody, saying the suspect is not a student that university. he is a white male about 26. he is going to be booked under the charge of investigation of murder. he hasn't been charged yet. they do believe that he acted alone. though at one point they were looking for more than one shoot her. he was armed with a shotgun and a knife. they're not sure if he did use that knife. and they don't know yet where he got the gun. but they did say that he did have more rounds with him. i want to bring back in lou palumbo, retired law

enforcement, who has been on the line with us. lou, what do you make of the information we just learned? >> you know, obviously, they are in the process of conducting this investigation. and they are still cultivating information. there's no doubt about that. they seem to have a good plan of response. and i have some familiarization with seattle police department because of detail i have one in their city. they are a very good police agency. they will continue to let this thing unfold, gather information, shed more light about the individual. what the connection was with the school, if any. and why he chose this university. was he a prior student, for example. develop a profile. they need to know more about this individual. and in this instance, as opposed to many other instances, they have the benefit of having this individual alive. and so i think ranperhaps, rand

the reason he didn't take his life like others have, is that he was interrupted. he may have taken his life at the end of the game when he exhausted ammunition or when the police terminated. >> right. if he was able to reload, who knows what would have happened to him or anyone else on campus. lou, stay with us. we are going to take a quick break shortly. lou, i did have one more question before break. they haven't had -- the chief there, saying they didn't have any contact with him. how will they go about interrogating him? >> oh, in the conventional manner. they will bring him into a controlled not viernment, as we always do. and they will basically start dialogue with him. one thing they will have to determine is if he is even capable of engaging in any type of dialogue with them, with the police department, or with the investigators, based on his mental state. there is a process involved here

right now. a lot of it deals with his competency. this is a rather deranged and conservatively speaking, extreme act. so at this point, what they want to do is find out exactly who they are dealing with and how they will pursue this investigation or interrogation. so it is a little but of an ongoing process. and it just continues to unfold literally moment by moment based on information that unfolds to you moment by moment. so they will want to fully understand who it is they are dealing with. and they won't know that until they sit down with this individual. >> certainly not. they have a vehicle they want to look at as well. lou palumbo, thank you for your expertise this evening, as we continue watching what happened there at seattle pacific university. coming up, more information on breaking news in seattle. bowe bergdahl's captivity. and the latest on his recovery. (mother vo) when i was pregnant...

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one dead in a campus shooting there in seattle. suspected gunman in custody. his identity and motive unknown. we'll continue to monitor new developments and bring them to you as they come in. there's more breaking news. details of how last-minute the recovery of sergeant bergdahl was. the video we saw last night, that spot where special forces choppered in for the pickup and just now learning they knew where to go an hour beforehand. not the only new development concerning the sergeant or the political battle over the deal to bring him home. barbara starr has the latest starting with the new detail on the meeting place. barbara? >> absolutely, anderson. good evening. one-hour notice for a recovery mission? quite extraordinary. not the only thing that's extraordinary today. new questions and new details about what happened to bowe bergdahl. bowe bergdahl may have tried to escape the taliban captors on at least two occasions a u.s. official tells cnn. but until the army can talk to bergdahl directly, they won't know for sure. however, a u.s. official says we do have reason to believe there

were times he tried to escape. bergdahl may not have fully talked about his five years in taliban captivity but recovering after nearly a week under u.s. military medical care. the pentagon said he is now speaking in english to the medical staff treating him. participating more in his recovery treatment. and is resting better. the administration continues to insist bergdahl's health and safety were at risk and to make the point, showed senators a classified video of bergdahl from december 2013. >> he looked terrible. and i think that video should be released at some point. he could barely talk. he couldn't focus his eyes. he was downcast. he was thin. he looked like a man -- i looked around the room as that video was shown and i think it was clearly effective and when it stopped it wasn't very long. maybe 30 seconds. there was dead silence in the room.

>> reporter: an afghan security official who was on duty near where bergdahl was captured in 2009 told cnn when local villagers spotted bergdahl after he left his base they tried to get him to leave the village, teling him the area was dangerous. officials said bergdahl appeared to be under the influence of hallucinogenic substances. cnn could not independently confirm the accounts. >> is there any better idea of when the sergeant will be brought back to the united states and at least even reunited with his parents? >> anderson, what we're hearing is this really is a decision for the team of military psychologists to make when they think he is really ready to cope with it. it's been a week now and made physical recovery and clearly that team feels he is not ready

for that yet and we're not told when that might happen and fly back to the united states. >> barbara starr, thanks. former cia officer bob bauer and david rode and was held and dana shea, vice president of security consultants. former navy s.e.a.l. and coordinator with the embassy baghdad during the war. bob, it's interesting that the team that went in to get him only knew about an hour before where the actual location was. does that surprise you? >> extraordinarily bravery. they like weeks to set up for a mission like this. you know? put surveillance, drones over it. even human surveillance. for them to go in, i can't tell you what an act of courage it was on the part of special forces. >> handful of guys, no weapons visible. just -- i mean, they could have had explosive devices. >> a vest, walked up to him, taken out the helicopter. it's -- you know, they're real heroes.

>> dana, it was a peaceful handover. if any wrong move, it could have turned violent very, very quickly. with only an hour's notice, the exact location, what do you make of that? you oversaw a lot of hostage negotiations when you were in baghdad. >> well, the reality is, yeah, one-hour time frame, you have to understand they've been doing this for a long time and best in the business and able to react. this is sop, standard operating procedures. everything at that level of expertise and that unit that did the recovery, standard operating procedure for them. they're hesitant going up and saw him patting down at the scene. got off the target. called getting off the "x" and then see they're ready to respond. kept the eyes prepared for anything. and then taliban narrator said 18 fighters. saw them on the high ground with the rpgs. they wanted to get out quickly.

they had to check bergdahl one more time. they don't know. you do it with every hostage. treat them and secure them before you take them off the target itself. this is, you know, yes, it's nothing compared to the rogues of what they do on the nightly basis, another day at the office for these guys, frankly. >> david, in terms of recovery process, it is interesting it's been almost a week now and he still hasn't talked to his parents. does that surprise you? >> it doesn't. again, this is such a long time, five years. these three american contractors in colombia, being very careful not to overwhelm him at this point and i can't emphasize from my time in captivity, he had no english speakers around him and not surprised of reports of escape. whatever caused him to walk off the base, a mental break down, it is not fun being in taliban captivity. i heard the reports of afghans, as well and recaptured the first time fought incredibly strongly to stop and took several taliban to subdue him. >> you did escape ultimately. for those that don't know, can

you explain the calculus of that? the far's got to be intense of getting captured again and what would happen then. >> for us, it was just hatred of our captors and the sense to hold us for years and years and years and if, frankly, you want it to end and if you die in the escape, you know, you die. and then -- >> you thought at the time? >> yes. >> you just wanted out. >> i wanted out. i wanted -- i hoped it might work and we were ready to take the risk and not thinking very clearly in captivity. the taliban guard you very loosely in this part of pakistan controlling the whole area and they know there's a few guards around and you can get out of the compounds, you know. he was recaptured with fighters everywhere. arabs and afghans and pakistanis. i had an afghan journalist with me that brought me to a military base. he didn't have that. >> what do you make of just kind

of how this played out? now almost a week since the word broke on this. >> well, i think it's unfortunate because, clearly, if he left base as has been described and walked into taliban's arms, he had psychological problems or broke down or narcotics or something. and he's not in my mind he's not a deserter in the first sense of the word. he didn't know what he was doing and needs to be examined and we need to hear his side of the story and so politicized i think unfortunately. i think the president was absolutely right to get the guy back home. it's the last prisoner. >> because the notion of not leaving somebody behind is important? >> it's a compact with the military. never leave anybody in the field of battle. it doesn't make sense for the civilians but same way with the cia, military, it's very important and disliked by a large number of people in the military leaving the post, nonetheless, he needs to be brought home. >> dan, you've been critical of the precedent you say this sets. public concessions. to terror group. the network.

as you put it, the president defended the decision today and makes no apologies. i was wondering about your reaction to that. >> fist and foremost, yes, we bring everyone home. but bergdahl needs to answer for the conduct that night and that needs to come out and addressed at the uniformed court of military justice and it's the precedent that's been set from the white house rose garden that, yes, everyone assumes that the policy is we don't negotiate with terrorists but what u.s. policy is and was when i was in iraq is clear. we don't make concessions to terrorism and now the president made an announcement to the world that we do negotiate with terrorists and we do make concessions to terrorists. that's the dangerous precedent because it's now no more can we stand by that principle and i think kept americans safe and not targeted like the french, the germans and the italians that were targeted repeatedly after the word spread early on in the campaign in 2004 that these are countries that pay

multimillion dollar ransoms and put a bounty on the head of anyone carrying the passports and the bigger picture is press department set and can't turn it back because it's a white house press conference. you know? times remain to be seen. what do we say to the families of the taliban commanders when they get in the fight? what do we say then if these guys involved in more attacks against fellow afghans and we know they did and more american lives are lost and say to those parents? >> good to have you all on. appreciate it. we have a conversation right before the broadcast with marcus la tell, former navy s.e.a.l. and if you road his book, you know what marcus latrell did in afghanistan, what he went through, hunted by the taliban. because of the breaking news, we don't want to cut down the

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okay. sad news out of seattle. one person killed, three wounded, one critically. seattle pacific university. 3:30 local time. one of the school's classroom buildings. the shooter opened fire with a shotgun hitting four people. a young man died shortly after arriving at the hospital. 20-year-old woman is undergoing surgery. critical condition, two other young men are in satisfactory condition. the suspected gunman in custody. police say a monitor confronted the shooter and subdued him. other students jumped on top of them. the identity of the shooter and motive is yet unknown. the student blake alavera was in the building and joins us by phone. blake, where were you when the shots rang out? >> sure. i was on the bottom floor of where it happened, maybe 100 feet away in class. >> so what did you hear? >> so, actually, everyone in class heard just a big muffled

sound. everyone i've talked to said they only heard one. and then that's kind of when everything started. >> so you heard what sounded like a muffled sound. you said you think there was only one. >> yes. >> did you know -- i mean, did people know instantly what was going on? >> actually, no. all the students thought it was a gunshot. and i was in physics and my professor thought it was an experiment because -- okay, i can see how it was that. but someone next to the door, they look out the door, didn't see anything but they heard something and they come back in. said, i think someone was shot. we need to lock everything. close everything down. >> and that's what you did? >> yep. that's what we did. >> and then, did you hear other shots later on? because i talked to one student who said they heard shots and then a two-minute gap and then more shots. >> oh.

i didn't hear the first one if there was a first one. i heard one loud one which had to be next to me because the building's so loud that i can't hear anything. >> and how long did you stay in the classroom for? >> i want to say we were in the classroom for a total of five minutes. so zero, first shot to about two minutes, we were like getting everything done and then i grabbed -- we were locked down. me and someone else grabbed like a pipe we found in class. and that's when i was listening through the door of everything that was going on. and two minutes, when i started listening, and at the -- five-minute mark and escorted out by the police. >> and as you left, did you see anything? >> so, yeah. as i left, i -- i took my sandals off in case i need to

run and then my backpack and i saw blood piles on the ground. there was, like, maybe two or three big ones and then there was just like scattered blood throughout the hallway. and i actually stepped in one because i didn't see it there's so many. >> the students themselves had already been taken away? >> so, i saw a person being detained on the ground at the front. and i actually heard in the newscast that he said one of the staff in the front was able to disarm him so it must have been the shooter who was being detained. >> blake, i appreciate you talking to us. blake oliveira, i'm glad you and the other students in the class were safe. thank you very much. we'll be right back.

seattle shooting on the campus of seattle pacific university. randi kaye has a quick recap. >> coming to us from captain chris fowler at seattle pd. he says that it is a young male that entered the building with a shotgun there on campus. shot three people and as he began to reload, another student, some reports from the affiliate, saying a naval rotc student jumped on top of him, confronted him, used pepper spray to help pin him down.

other students helped with that until he was taken into custody. a man in the 20s has died. one woman critical. in surgery. two other young men, anderson, in satisfactory condition. >> thanks for that. that does it for us. the original series "the sixties" starts now. supreme national effort will be needed to move this nation safely through the 1960s. >> across the world soviet missiles are aimed at the united states. whatever the president does, he risks nuclear war. >> khrushchev calls west berlin a cancerous sore. >> lines are now drawn. >> 25 russian ships en route to russia to what they be a collision course. >> no way of knowing whether western civilization will live or die. >> i think unless something is