work week, and still stormy skies across the central u.s. back to you guys. >> we'll get ready for t karen, thank you very much. we will see you back here at the top of the hour, 8:00 eastern, for more "new day sunday." >> "sanjay gupta m.d. starts for you now. hey there, something surprising to start with, you're going so see how easily you can buy steroids and other medicines, sometimes with dangerous side effects with the click of a mouse. also we tell to you read food labels all the time butted those mysterious ingredients sometimes look like code words. or a foreign language. first you heard this advice for years, avoid eating saturated fat, red meat to a minimum, fat is bad. that's heart healthy. new book says the science doesn't support that and says butter, cheese and steak can be just fine. it's fascinating stuff but seems to go against a lot of what a

lot of us have seen, amazing results from a plant-based die pet. 69-year-old sharon kintz did not experience the classic chest pain but rather fatigue and pain in her jaw. >> he says i can fix you today. i can take you down to o.r. and operate on you right now. >> reporter: kintz turned the surgeon down cold and decided to take a chance using food as medicine. she's betting her life on a vegan diet. >> you have some easy to remember adages how people can decide what they should or should not eat. >> we know what they shouldn't eat, oil, dairy, meat, fish and chicken. what do we want them to eat? all those whole grains, keirial, bread and pass tax beans,

vegetables, yell red and green. bok choi, mustard beans, san leandro to re, parsley, spinach, arugula and aspar gas and i'm out of breath. >> reporter: there has been a push for four decades to get americans to eat less but a new book by nina taisholz challenges the science behind the idea red meat is bad. >> it's a dangerus book, telling people what they want to hear, not what's true. >> reporter: dr. dean ortnish helped president clinton recover from a heart disease. >> the healthiest way to eat is the degree to move towards a whole foods plant-based diet. we know that bus even people who have serious chronic diseases begin to reverse them to the degree that they make these changes. >> joining me to talk about this is the author of the big fat

surpris surprise. lot of people are going to be talking about, dean ornish thinks the book is dangerous. i want to be clear on something. are we saying, are you saying in the book that meat doesn't increase bad cholesterol or the bad cholesterol wasn't as bad as reported. >> the reason that meat, cheese and dairy were condemned is because they contain sat raided fats. the idea was they cause your cholesterol to go up and that that would clog your arteries and lead to a heart attack. it turns out the whole chain of events is not what we understood it to be true. the trials are rean nazized since they were originally done it turns out that people with a higher saturated fat diet do not have a higher rate of heart attacks in the end.

>> how do you suppose we got this so wrong? >> the saturated fat has been the diet culprit of the past 50, 60 years. it goes back to the 1950s where america was in the throes of the heart disease epidemic which had arisen out of nowhere to become the nation's number one killer. president eisenhower had a heart attack in 1955. one of the ideas what caused heart disease was proposed by one scientist who said it was saturated fats. there were other ideas of the time. ansel keys got that idea implanted into the american heart association, the knew tragsal guidelines of the american heart association in 1961. the rest is history. when it became our dietary guidelines it had never been tested. >> we started replacing fat in food with other things, one of them being sugar. i got a lot more sugar in our foods t would taste terrible if you didn't replace it with something. is it that sugar is worse than

the foot if you replace it the way we did? we have a big sugary soda here, cheeseburger over here. which of these is worse for your heart? >> i think the evidence really shows that the sugar is much more problematic in terms of your risk factors for heart disease and diabetes and obesity. >> you ask a kid about this which of these is worse for your heart. >> it's the bun, the cash carbohydra carbohydrates. >> you've written a book, a vo provaccive book and a lot of people will say we understand she took issue with some of the study, but there's a lot of evidence to show vegetarians have a lower risk of heart disease in the united states and other places around the world, where they don't eat as much meat. what do you say to people who don't seem to eat much meat have lower rates of heart disease.

>> there's no evidence to show vegetarians live long per. >> just about heart disease though. >> one of the things that confounds those studies that complicates them is vegetarians are people who care about their health. they don't smoke, they exercise, they go to the doctor, they do a lot of things that make them healthier people. they adhere to medical advice. the people who eat meat are the non-adherers, the people doing everything wrong because they're going against dietary recommendations so those complicating factors make the studies very hard to interpret with any reliability. >> is this what you expected to find when you started writing this book? >> no, i was a vegetarian when i started writing the book and i wrote a dinky restaurant column and we didn't have money for meals and the chef sent out not stir-fry chicken and vegetables but they wanted to send out red meat and fois gras and pate. i found first they were delicious and i easily dropped

the stubborn ten pounds i had been fighting and my doctor said my cholesterol levels were fine. i wanted to get to the bottom of the mystery. it was the last thing i thought i would find. >> you eat meat, dairy, eggs, whatever you want now? >> i do and i don't think it's going to make me fat or give me heart disease. >> again, people should read the book, it's aa provocative book. i've been so interested in the idea that we place so much of the fats with carbohydrates like sugar and that could have been part of the problem. again the suggestion that maybe it wasn't the saturated fat all along. lot of people will pay attention to that. >> thank you for having me. >> appreciate it. next up, what happens when you try to buy supplements, steroids or prescription drugs from amazon.com. live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we're using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that's good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that's good for everyone.

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my wife, who is an amazon prime member, like quite a lot of us, including myself, loves the site, loves the ease with which you can purchase stuff on amazon. she was looking for an acne product for herself. she was having a little battle of acne she could not treat on her own with her usual regimen and found a prescription, antibiotic called clindomycin that she purchased, not realizing that it was prescription only and she needed a prescription to purchase the medication. >> it is an antibiotic that you and i both know as doctors, normally you need a doctor's prescription. she was able to order it and got it delivered to you without a doctor involved. >> that's right. she didn't know when she ordered it which was also concerning. she opened it up. it is a pharmaceutical package and saw the name which she recognized and asked her husband, myself, a doctor. is this prescription only, how did i get this? my ears perked up at that point. i started looking around and i was shocked to find other prescription-only medications on amazon. >> to be clear, these things require prescriptions often for

a reason. what are the potential side effects of something like this? >> clindomycin is a powerful antibiotics. it is one we are trying to use sparingly in the hospital. it is an antibiotic that actually can cause a deadly diee diarrheal infection. it is an antibiotic that's known to cause potentially a very severe skin reaction called steven johnson's syndrome. something you may want to know before you put it your face. >> i should point out we asked amazon for comment. they didn't comment specifically on this. i want to make sure i understand this. amazon is not a pharmacy. other companies that may manufacture these drugs may use amazon as a distribution sort of network. who is at fault here? is it the company that's manufacturing the drugs and then using amazon to distribute? or amazon itself? >> amazon has products that they have sourced themselves and they house in their own warehouses and ship out to us directly. they also have a number what they refer to as third-party sellers. a very large component of amazon's business.

folks can sign up to sell on amazon. small businesses from around the world. in my wife's case, there was a small business located in thailand where the drug is produced. these people -- actually, operating under amazon by selling and amazon is taking a percentage. in the case of drugs, amazon is taking 15% and amazon is doing the payment. it is doing the payment processing. this is very different than a lot of what else we see on the internet where different websites are connecting buyers and sellers. for example, craigslist or ebay and they go and complete the transaction themselves. the is a place where amazon has a business relationship with the third party seller. they are charging that third party seller a fee for the luxury of selling on amazon. and connecting with the amazon customer. you remain amazon's customer throughout the transaction process. the argument can be made amazon has created an illegal market

which i think i have proven through this reporting, amazon bears responsibility. >> what they are doing is illegal? >> it is illegal to sell these drugs without a prescription, yes. >> again, people can i would this stuff on amazon. they may not recognize the potential problems, side effects, complications that these medicines can cause. i appreciate your being on the program. it's a fascinating discussion. and i think it will open a lot of people's eyes. if you do buy medicine online and there is a center for safe internet pharmacy, they have a website. you can check whether you are buying from a reputable place by going to the website. safemedsonline.org. it was 40 years ago, mark jones was in a car accident that left him paralyzed. it was from behind the 8-ball he found the ability to overcome. ♪ 65 years old, mark "the snake" jones competed in the world wheelchair 9-ball championships. he never planned on becoming a

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what did you have for breakfast this morning? this is a question i like to ask of a lot of my guests. a few of them will know the answer as well as our next guest, mira and jason culton. welcome to the program. >> good morning. >> you guys know your food really well. let's talk about the preservatives. >> bhk, tbhq, these are synthetic preservatives made out of petroleum. food manufacturers like to put them in the food so consumers can't tell when the food is going ran sid. the national institute of health says bha is reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen. state of california say it is. these are banned in the uk and japan. they're in a lot of foods here in america, a lot of foods that really are kit foods like these

cereals, these bubble gums, these crackers. >> as sew die carbotomide. it's disgusting. actually used in foam plastics most often. it's in baked goods and breads. it's an asthma-causing allergen banned all over the world. if you use it in singapore, you can go to jail for up to 15 years and get a $500,000 fine. they know this is not good stuff. it's not used in any of those other countries. >> this is castorium. this is natural. >> this isn't going to be a dangerous inagreed yentd. it's just maybe a little too natural. let's talk about it. if you've eaten anything with natural vanilla, raspberry or strawberry flav vorg, you've probably gotten part of this. it comes from the caster sacks

of the beaver located in the butt region. to go ahead and put out there so people know where it is, i don't know who was the first people to take some of that brown stuff and put it on food but it must taste pretty good because we use over 1,000 pounds of it in this country every single year. again, this is all natural, but maybe too natural from me. >> from the beaver's butt parts? >> yes. >> have you ever eaten ice cream again? >> i look for -- i want it to say natural vanilla bean, natural raspberry, not just natural flavors. >> is it harder for you to eat? you look at this table, there's a lot of products here that people eat every day. >> we actually found things in every aisle of the grocery store that didn't have sugar, didn't have any of these potentially dangerous ingredients. that's why we wrote "rich and poor food." we went down every inld said

these are good products, these are bad products. >> it's good to have a book like this. i have young children. you don't spend the time, even though i advocate reading labels, it's hard to get through that and find all those preservatives. it's nice to have a book like this to help guide people. >> every aisle of the grocery store. there's cereals, candy bars, ice cream in the book. it's free of all these ingredients. >> beaver secretions and everything else. >> great to have you on the program. really appreciate it. thanks for being here. you might wonder looking at all that, why are these ingredients even allowed. we decided to call the fda and they say we're always studying the latest science. based on what we know know, all these are safe to eat at least in the quantities you'll find on the shelves. >> the average person will probably eat something or drink something that is acidic on a daily basis once it's gone, it's gone away for good.

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children. weight was still not a problem. >> until her 3-year-old daughter emily was diagnosed with leukemia and she passed away three years later. throughout the ordeal she gained more than 70 pounds. it's weight she says she was never able to get rid of. >> i knew i needed to make a change. >> she applied to our fit nation challenge and she got in. she joined the team in atlanta back in january. uncomfortable in the water, not having been on a bike in almost 20 years and unable to run. now just four months later she's a new woman. with the help of her coaches and her sassy six teammates, she conquered four swims in the pacific ocean, road 45 miles on the bike and jogged seven miles this week alone. >> it's just incredible that we started from zero and now we can make it work. >> i'm so proud of what connie has been able to do. as i said, i think they're awful going to make it to the finish line in malibu in september. a huge accomplishment. you can follow along, get

workout tips yourself and much more at cnn.com/fitnation. that will wrap things up for sgmd. stay connected with me. let's keep the conversation going on twitter. "new day sunday" continues right now with christi paul and victor now with christi paul and victor blackwell. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com well, good morning to you! grab your cup of choice, whatever it is. sit back and relax a little bit. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. 8:00 on the east coast. this is "new day sunday." this was supposed to be the horse. this was the one, wrapped in white carnations, enshrined in history, it was supposed to be california chrome as the winner of the triple crown. >> instead one of chrome's owners is blasting the results for his colt's fourth place finish. he is ticked