here is a puppy rescued from guess where? lit lab mix, the kids deserved it. he's joined the family and destroyed my ankles. there he is. wait till you see my ankles. >> little alabama at the cuomo house. a lot of news this morning. let's get you to the "newsroom" with carol costello. don't take any joy in the fact that i'm in pain. >> you're not only in pain, but you're going to have to -- you know what you're going have to do because your kids won't be doing it. i'm just warning you. >> thanks, appreciate it. thanks, carol. have a great day. have a great day. nude starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com two of my officers were killed in the line of duty. >> two suspected white supremacists going on what they call a revolution. >> i saw the gun in their hand. >> investigating raiding the cop killers' las vegas house

overnight. tracy morgan hospitalized after a horrific accident on the new jersey turnpike. >> he is in intensive care at robert wood johnson hospital in new brunswick. >> a walmart truck driver in court this morning facing steep charges. >> two tractor trailers involved. was the driver dozing off? >> we're looking into whether it might be possible to release the proof of life video. >> the white house, pentagon, state department inviting all house representatives to see the bowe bergdahl video. should you have the right to see it, too? this as the fbi investigates death threats against the bergdahl family. >> they have received both e-mail as well as phone threats. >> hard choices. brand new details on the new hillary clinton book. will she finally talk about running for office. and silver and the sale of the clippers. >> there's still a last issue to resolve. >> rachel nichols one on one

with nba chief adam silver. >> until he signs the document, we have a pending case with him. >> let's talk, live in the cnn "newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. three innocent lives gone in an instant. now we're learning that two people blamed for killing two las vegas police officers and a woman at a walmart store held extremist views toward law enforcement. police raided the couple's home overnight. the las vegas review journal reports police found swastikas in their apartment. investigators now looking into their possible connection to the white supremacy movement. the pair ambushed these two vegas police officers as they were eating lunch at a pizza restaurant yesterday. the officers were caught totally off guard. >> i was having -- just sat down to have lunch. the officers were sitting in front of me at the table right

next to me, and this man came in out of nowhere -- i thought he was going to get a drink, the way we walked up and walked past them. then he turned around, pull the gun on his right and shot the bald officer in front of me. >> cnn's dan simon live in las vegas this morning. i know you have new information for us, so tell us. >> reporter: carol, this seems to be a thought-out and pre calculated attack on police officers. from what we understand, the suspects left behind a manifesto at one of the two shooting scenes. they also left behind some backpacks. we don't know the contents yet. but they also left behind some flags or insignias. we're not sure what they similar bowl lies. what we do know, carol, is these two suspects. they're a married couple, ranted online about law enforcement and it all came to a head at a pizza

restaurant. >> breaking overnight, a raid at an apartment in las vegas, possibly the home of the two suspects involved in sunday's shooting spree. an area around the apartment was cordoned off. local affiliates report an explosion, apparently by a flash bang grenade set off by police. a law enforcement source tells cnn the suspects were a married couple with extremist views toward law enforcement. >> it's a tragic day. it's a very, very difficult day. >> reporter: around 11:22 a.m. on sunday, about ten miles from the las vegas strip two people, one male, one female, opened fire inside this pizza restaurant. witnesses hear them declare the ambush a revolution. >> they had a backpack. i saw the gun in their hand. he just told me to tell the cops that it was a revolution. >> reporter: when police arrived, they discovered two of their own were murdered. they have been identified as 41-year-old officer alyn beck and 31-year-old igor soldo, both leaving behind wives and young

children. >> what precipitated this event we do not know. my officers were simply having lunch. >> reporter: authorities say one officer was able to fire back before being killed. the assailants then grabbing the officers' guns and ammunition. >> the man that shot him was hugging him like this, but i think he was going for his gun, trying to get the officer's gun. >> reporter: the duo headed across the street to this walmart killing a woman near the front entrance. >> pretty nauz eighting seeing a whole bunch of people running the the back. >> reporter: police converged on the scene exchanging gunfire inside. before they could apprehend the pair, the female attacker shot the male suspect, then turned the gun on herself. cnn is not naming the suspects until they're identified by law enforcement. carol, i can tell you a little something about these two police officers. between the two of them, they

had more two decades' experience. one had a wife and six children. the other was also married and had a baby. just a heartbreaking situation. carol, this one appears to be politically motivated. we'll send it back to you. >> dan simon live in las vegas this morn. comedian tracy morgan is responsive and showing signs of improvement after being critically injured in a deadly car crash. the actor's limo van was hit by a tractor-trailer on saturday on the new jersey turnpike. police have charged the man they say is responsible for that accident, the 35-year-old walmart truck driver kevin roper. roper is expected to appear in court later today. he faces one count of death by auto and four counts of assault by auto. morgan's fellow passenger, comedian james mcnair was killed in the collision. three or people remain in the hospital. listen to what morgan's limo driver told tv station wcau about the accident.

>> i saw traffic, and i stopped, and i was upside down in the vehicle. >> this morning there are new questions about whether roper may have fallen asleep behind the wheel. the crash hits close to home for those trying to change the rules about when truck drivers are allowed to take breaks on the road. let's bring in cnn aviation and government correspondent analyst rene marsh who has more on that side of the story. >> good morning, carol. this situation regarding this accident over the weekend highlighting the debate happening here right here on capitol hill. it specifically looks at truck drivers' rest rules. we do know on capitol hill some republicans and democrats say they want to see a portion of the current rules changed. this is all about preventing sleepy truckers from driving 80,000 pound trucks on the roads we all drive on. the debate all boils down to how many hours and which hours truck

drivers are allowed on the road. >> that's a picture of her husband, mike. >> reporter: ron wood's mother, sister and three nephews killed in a fiery crash september 2004. >> out of the blue, this truck driver of an 18-wheeler fell asleep, crossed the median and crashed into my sister's suv, flipping it upside down, landing on top of it. >> reporter: the debate on capitol hill over truck driver rest rules cuts close to the heart for wood. >> if they think these little rules are inconvenient for them, this is inconvenience, having your family wiped out. >> reporter: the department of transportation says in 2012 nearly 4,000 people died in collisions with large trucks. in july it implemented rules aimed at curbing fatigue among truck drivers. now truckers can't drive more than 11 hours in one day, and they have to take 30 minutes off in the first eight hours of a

shift. once drivers hit 70 hours, they're required to take at least 34 hours off. that must include two mornings between 1:00 and 5:00 a.m. >> essentially it's the government telling people, professional truck drivers in this case when they have to rest, what time of day they have to rest. >> reporter: the early morning rest restrictions are what the senate appropriations committee just voted to roll back. those calling for the change say forcing truckers to take their time off in the early morning means they'll be driving during the day. >> the riskier proposition than having trucks drive in hours where traffic isn't there, the motoring public isn't there. so what these rules have done is raise risk. and when you raise risk, you end up raising number of crashes. >> well, the issue now goes to the full senate for a vote, but we should point out other parts of the rules would remain in place, including the 11-hour driving limit as well as the 30-minute break during a shift.

the industry says they don't have a problem with those issues, carol. really the only part that's being debated is this rule that says from 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. on two consecutive nights they would have to essentially take a time-out, get some sleep before starting their shifts again. >> rene, stick with me because i want to dive deeper. cnn legal analyst danny sav val lows is with me, too. the charges against this driver are quite serious, death by auto and four counts of assault by auto. are they surprisingly harsh charges? >> not in new jersey. and here is why. new jersey's statute on death by auto specifically provides that where there is evidence that either a driver fell asleep or was awake for 24 consecutive hours prior, that gives rise to an inference, in other words, like an assumption that the

driver acted recklessly. so consider if it is true that initial reports said he was dosing off. you have to assume that came only from his own mouth because he probably was the only one in the cab of his truck. consider what a different direction this case takes because of that one admission saying he was dozing off. in new jersey it automatically bumps up and creates that inference that someone acted recklessly. reckless, again, that kind of conduct means you acted with a conscious disregard of racing. contrast that with negligence which says, hey, i may not have known i was being dumb, but i did something dumb. recklessness means you were aware you knew what you were doing was wrong. in new jersey the statute specifically provides for this bump up to the inference of recklessness. >> rene, the reason the charges are probably so harsh in new jersey comes, too, because this particular stretch of highway is so very dangerous. we know that there's a huge problem in this country with truck drivers driving while

they're sleepy. why weaken the law at all in the senate? >> reporter: it depends on who you talk to. these lawmakers who are calling for this change in the rest rules, they actually don't think that it's weakening the law. they would argue that by putting those early morning restrictions saying you can't drive -- and to be clear, that would only apply to people who reach a certain amount of driving time. if you've gotten to the 70-hour mark, this would apply to you. if you had not, this would not apply to you. for those drivers who have been on the road for a really long time, the rules now say that yo that has to include those early morning hours, 1:00 to 5:00. those arguing against it say, you know what, that's going to put a lot more trucks on the roadwaying during the daylight hours when you and i are on the rode with a lot of other people. that would create even more crashes. there are arguments on both

sides here. what they're saying is we want to study this a little more. while we study it, we want to roll it back. >> it took 15 years to get this into place. now they want to study it all of a sudden. >> reporter: the department of transportation says they've studied it. there's been extensive research. it seems the other side doesn't think there's been enough. so that's where we are now. >> danny, another question for you. walmart came out right away and apologized and said, if we're at fault, our truck driver is at fault, we'll take full responsibility. we were kind of surprised that walmart came out so soon. why do you think they did? >> let's start with the statement. it's not that much of a statement of commitment. notice the magic word "if." that means legally if this driver is determined to be at fault, it could mean walmart would take responsibility if it's determined that they were responsible. so i wouldn't look at that at a huge commitment. however, at these early stages, it does appear at least from the

reports, if he made an admission, the driver, that he was dozing off, i think that's going to be a compelling factor in walmart's liability. but at least it is a good start. they are coming out and stating that, if it's determined they're responsible, they'll be responsible. how much of a statement of commitment that is remains to be scene. >> danny zef val lows, rene marsh, thanks so much. still to come, bowe bergdahl's agonizing years in captivity, interrupted by a few terrifying days on the run. cnn's nic robertson has more on what life was like in the grip of the taliban. hi, nic. >> reporter: details include how bergdahl was able to celebrate easter and christmas while in captivity. more on the other side of the break.

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the chous. the deal is igniting outrage in washington and in the idaho hometown of bergdahl's family. the fbi now investigating death threats against bergdahl's parents who have stayed out of view in recent days. today the obama administration will face tough questions from lawmakers, worried about those five taliban commanders who were released in exchange for bergdahl's freedom. secretary of state john kerry defended sending those taliban detainees to qatar. >> i'm not telling you they don't have some ability to go back and get involved. but they also have an ability to get killed doing that.

and i don't think anybody should doubt the capacity of the united states of america to protect americans. >> i heard john kerry this morning say, you know, don't worry about them in dohar. you can't help but worry about them in dohar. and we have no information on how the united states is actually going to see that they remain in dohar. >> cnn's nic robertson is in dohar with the latest. i understand you have new information about bergdahl's captivity. fill us in. >> reporter: sure, carol. this comes from a taliban source who is familiar with some of that period of bergdahl's captivity and has been accurate on information held by the same group, westerners held by the same group in the past. what he says is when bergdahl was captured, he was put in a house run by an old man. security wasn't good. bergdahl escaped, was on the run for three days. because the taliban controlled

the whole area, he says bergdahl wasn't able to get away. he eventually rounded him up, put him in another location that was much more secure. over the period of almost five years in captivity, he learned to speak the local language, was able to communicate effectively with the taliban, told him at one point he didn't like the food he was being given, they were giving him lamb every day. he said he didn't like the smell. he said he wanted fruits and vegetables. they gave him that. they gave him islamic reading material. perhaps pretty significantly he stuck to his christian beliefs. the taliban say they allowed him, their words, allowed him to celebrate christmas and easter. so very clear he wasn't going to be influenced by them sticking to his faith. they also say he was able to get exercise and at times even playing soccer with those taliban. they're very clear that they moved him around house to house because they were afraid of drone strikes, but his captivity

was very, very closely controlled. carol? >> we've also heard allegations that the taliban tortured bergdahl while he was in captivity. can you tell us that part of the story? >> reporter: we're certainly hearing this from the united states, from sources there, that he -- when he was on the run, then recaptured, that the taliban punished him by putting him in a small cage or small box as punishment. what the sal ban source told us was that there was no cage involved. he didn't know the entire period of bergdahl's captivity. he did say the security around bergdahl made it very, very clear to bergdahl that there was no way he was going to get away from that situation and essentially he needed to figure out a way to deal with it and get on being held captive by the taliban, that there was going to be no chance of freedom after that first breakout carol.

>> nic robertson reporting live. thanks so much. this week in washington administrators will try to soothe concerns about bergdahl and the taliban prisoner swap that led to his release. one of the things likely to be discussed is this proof-of-life video that the white house says forced it to act and whether the american public should be allowed to see the video. david gergen is a former adviser to several presidents. steven bittal is from the defense council on foreign relations. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> thanks for being with us. >> thanks. >> david, do you think the public should get to see this proof-of-life video? >> yes. it's been shown already to members of the senate, now going to be shown to members of the house. we're going to have conflicting views of what it means coming from two different parties after this is over tonight. i think ultimately the american public should have a right to do that. i know there's an argument for his privacy. we've seen now a number of

different clips that have come out about him in captivity. if this film was so decisive, let's see it. it could be welcome pelling. he apparently looks drugged, and looks like he's not in good shape. it's also true, as the critics point out, the film was taken in december. if it's an emergency, it's strange it took until june to get him out. he apparently lived on pretty well. there's so many murk ki questions about this, i think it's better to get it on the table. >> i can't think of a good reason itself not to release the tape, as far as national security is concerned, steven. would that be a factor at all? >> i don't think so. the tape was made by the taliban and sent to us by them. i think there's any argument for not relosing it other than politics, it would be the privacy of bergdahl and his family. that's been violated quite

thoroughly by now. >> defense secretary chuck hagel will testify on wednesday, trying to say why congress was not notified before the swap was made. do you think we'll hear the word benghazi? >> i don't not think we'll hear the word benghazi from his mouth unless he's forced to. it's going to be a rocky week for the administration because they went up last week and briefed the senate and even there they met resistance among democrats. the house is notably more partisan and more hard line on this. mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee, republican, has already made it clear his deep unhappiness. the argument is now shifting, carol, from when -- dianne feinstein argued yesterday on "face the nation" when the administration came to them back in 2011 to brief them on the possibilities of a deal somewhere down the road, they said the deal would be part of an initial effort to seek

reconciliation with the taliban and that this would bring peace, the deal would help to bring peace to the area. they haven't been briefed since. dianne feinstein and the others didn't like the deal they were putting on the table. they should there should be no swap until the reconciliation had preceded down the road, otherwise the taliban didn't have incentive to keep going and seek peace. here what's been done, of course, any prospect of getting a deal has dropped -- getting a long-term reconciliation has been dropped. all we have is an exchange which will tick off these house republicans, and, by the way, has upset the afghan officials who think the al ban has emerged from this looking victorious and stronger than they would like. >> stephen, you studied these things. was it worth it? >> in the context of some larger plan for ending the war. if the war is going to end it's

going to have to be through negotiated settlement, what people call reconciliation. we don't have a lot of negotiations with the taliban. five detainees are a potential source of leverage. we don't have a lot of leverage to be giving away easily. the most important way to think about the question of whether release bergdahl was worth it is weren't it could play some role in bringing about a negotiated settlement to the war. the administration has apparently given up on at least the prisoner swap element of that. they haven't given up on a larger strategy for negotiating a settlement. i think that's the right question here. personally i would prefer we husband what little leverage we've got until we can make progress in actually ending the war. >> david? >> one other quick argument. there is one piece of good news for the administration. general mathis who was central command, now retired, has been arguing the last 24 hours that, in fact, by getting bergdahl

out, we have more leverage to go after the haqqani network. we couldn't attack them in the way we would have because we didn't want to have bergdahl killed. now we have free reign to go after them. he thinks that's good news for us. >> what david is essentially saying, stephen, bergdahl is free and the taliban can't come back and say, if you attack us, you can't attack us or we'll kill this guy in captivity. that threat is gone and that's a good thing, right? >> i don't personally think the odds were very good that they were going to deliberately kill him in captivity. they viewed bergdahl as a source in leverage as we viewed the five taliban detainees as a form of leverage. killing their hostage wasn't going to get them far in talks. more often, we've been striking the haqqanis for years and years. i'm perfectly prepared to believe that at the margin our ability to strike those targets might go up some, now that we don't have to worry about

collateral damage and the strike. i think for a long time we failed to integrate into a negotiating strategy our targeting plans against the haqqanis or other elements of the taliban coalition. i doubt very much that bergdahl is the limited constrained on our ability to use targeting of the haqqanis as part of a conscious negotiating strategy. i think the problem is that our targeting in the negotiating strategy have been on completely separate tracks for now. >> david and stephen, i have to leave it there. thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom." it may just be the most talked about story in the upcoming race to the white house. hear what hillary clinton is now revealing about her future. [announcer] play close-good and close.

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get ready to see a lot of hillary clinton this week as if you haven't already. she's kicking off a massive media blitz to kickoff her book, "hard choices." she's been dropping hints about a possible 2016 presidential run. cnn senior political correspondent brianna keilar has more. >> reporter: on the eve of her headline grabbing book rollout, hillary clinton shares with abc news her timetable for deciding whether she's running for president. >> i want to get through this year, travel around the country, sign books, help in the midterm elections in the fall, then take a deep breath and go through my pluses and minuses about what i will and will not be thinking

about as i make the decision. i will be on the way to making a decision by the end of the year, yes. >> reporter: she's already in the political spin cycle. she didn't pull out a hearing before a republican-led house committee investigating the benghazi attack. >> we'll see what they decide to do, how they conduct themselves, whether or not this is one more travesty about the loss of four americans or whether this is in the best tradition of the congress, an effort to try to figure out what we can do better. >> reporter: only 37% of americans approve of her handling of benghazi. but a majority still approve of her overall performance as secretary of state. according to a new abc news-"washington post" poll. she gets very high marks for leadership qualities. as she prepares for a demanding book tour, clinton also answered questions about her 2012 blood clot and concussion that she says caused her to suffer

dizziness and double vision. >> no linger effects. >> no lingering effects. >> you weould release your medical records. >> absolutely. >> reporter: recently karl rove made it a hot button political issue. >> she had a serious health episode. >> reporter: for the first time she personally responded. >> what would you like to say to karl rove about your brain? >> that i know he was called bush's brain in one of the books written about him, and i wish him well. >> reporter: brianna keilar, cnn, washington. still to come in the "newsroom," hundreds of undocumented children getting bused to a border patrol facility in arizona. it is a move that's left arizona's governor furious and calling out the obama administration over its immigration policy. nick valencia is following the story for us. good morning. >> governor jan brewer is furious at what many, including her, are calling a humanitarian crisis. i'm nick valencia, i'll have

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arizona governor jan brewer is outraged at president obama and the federal government for sending bus loads of undocumented children, some of them just a few months old to her state. over the weekend more than 1,000 children were sent to border patrol facilities in nogales and

phoenix, all of them caught illegally crossing the border in texas. the children apparently were bused to arizona because facilities in texas were overcrowded. in arizona pictures show kids sleeping on the floors covered only by thermal blankets. cnn's nick valencia is tracking the story. where are these children coming from? >> principally from central america. that's creating a bigger backlog. if they were mexican or canadian immigrants, the deportation would have been relatively quickly, maybe 72 hours. but because they're from central america, proximity becomes a problem, paperwork becomes a problem. not only is there a backlog in these detention centers, most of which are supposed to be short-term facilities, now turning into long-term housing, it's a backlog with a consequence. >> parents drop their children off hoping someone will take care of them in the united states? >> these children are coming by themselves, hundreds of miles. >> some as young as 5 or 6 years old. >> that's the remarkable thing

about it. they're traveling by themselves, they either come up the pacific coast of mexico or through the mountainous regions of mexico, get together the united states, hoping to be reunited with their parents. this is causing a lot of outrage for governor jan brewer. this is what she had to say in a statement here. let me read part of that. i am disturbed and outraged that president obama's administration continues to implement this dangerous and inhumane policy. meanwhile, neglecting to answer crucial questions our citizens demand and deserve. not only does the federal government have no plan to stop this disgraceful policy, it also has no plan to deal with the endless waves of illegal aliens once they are released here. question, how long are they going to be there? how long are the kids going to be in this facility, we don't know. that's unclear. this influx is not stopping. record numbers of undocumented immigrants are coming the the united states. >> rounded up by border troll

agents? >> when i talked to a department of homeland security source, he says it's a policy issue. there's a loophole because the undocumented immigrants know there's not enough room in the immigration center. they noi know they'll be released under their own recognizance and 90% don't show up for their court dates, they get to stay as long as they want. that's part of the outrage for governor brewer. these family groups are coming, but also these unaccompanied, undocumented minors that are coming. texas was at capacity which is why they're being sent by the hundreds in facilities. in arizona, those facilities there might be at capacity. they're being sent back to el pa paso, dumped at the bus stops in el paso. what's happening in arizona, it happened saturday night in el paso, texas. >> i know you'll continue to follow this story. nick valencia. the fbi now involved in the controversy surrounding bowe bergdahl as the agency tries to

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the fbi is investigating a series of threats made against the parents of bowe bergdahl. a special agent with the agency has declined to tell cnn the nature of the threats, a law enforcement official says bergdahl's father received three e-mails at his home and the fbi will be tracing the messages to see who sent them. matthew hoe is a former marine captain and friend of the family and josh served with bowe bergdahl in afghanistan. good morning, gentlemen. >> good morning. >> matthew, you talked with bowe's parents last week. what did they tell you about the threats? >> there were e-mails, i believe a voice mail left. many of the businesses in haley, idaho, people who have been supporting bowe has been receiving the threats. they're shocked. it's overwhelming as you can imagine. of course, i don't represent the family or speak for the family,

but i think, as a lot of people, when 7,000 of our service members have not returned home in these wars, the fact that we're not rejoicing that bowe has returned home and bob and john mccain jane's five years of suffering in grief, it's disturbing. >> why do you think the parents are being targeted? >> i think there's a lot of rhetoric, a lot of political theater over this. i think the fact that bob, to understand what his son was going through immersed himself in the culture, the religion of bowe's captors. bowe was a prisoner of war being held in western pakistan or eastern afghanistan, we're still not sure. he grew his beard out. he set prayer clocks to know when bowe would have been woken up, learned about the region, the culture, the wars so he

could understand what his son was going through and what his son was enduring. i just find it so crazy that people have a hard time understanding that. any parent, i think, if their son was in this situation, if they were being held as a prisoner of war for five years would do the same, to know what their son was going through. >> josh, let me ask you that question. why do you think these threats are being directed at the bergdahl family? >> i think there's a lot of anger out there. i can understand where the anger comes from having been there and understood that soldiers died, other people have family members that are no longer with us because we were looking for bergdahl, that's a really big thing. the fact he walked away from us like that and left us vulnerable and other soldiers died because of it is something that causes a lot of people anger. >> why target bergdahl's family?

>> i can't say. maybe right now it's just because bowe is still in the hospital recovering and we're not getting answers from him and maybe people are frustrated and they're the only to target really. >> josh, i know you say bergdahl was a deserter and left your platoon and put others in danger. we now know bergdahl was tortured in captivity, kept in a small box for weeks or months at a time. does this change at all about how you feel about bergdahl? >> i mean i understand that in captivity terrible things can happen, but the thing is that he violated his oath. he violated the army values. he violated his general orders. the bond between brothers that exists on the battlefield. for him to walk away like that and for him to betray us -- i understand he went through a lot. but he could have prevented all that by just not doing it in the

first place. >> are you interested, josh, at all in seeing this proof-of-life tape? lawmakers will probably decide that at some point this week. >> absolutely. i have said and i'll say it again, i'm glad he's back. i hope he's doing well and i hope he recovers. i do also hope there is a trial and an investigation and that any kind of punishment that gets laid down, that he serves it out. >> on the other hand, matthew, bergdahl according to many reports is insisting he not be called sergeant because he says he didn't earn that rank. he still won't speak to his family. matthew, why do you think that is? >> i don't think he's ready to speak to his family. i think five years in isolation, this is what sets him apart from other rizers in of war we had. our prisoners in vietnam, they had each other to rely upon. in bowe's case,

for five years, he was alone and isolated. i think the recovery process is really quite long and so i think as a means of bringing him along slowly, it will behoove his -- i'm sorry. i'm getting other traffic on my ear piece. >> you can pull it out and finish your answer. >> appreciate it, carol. >> no worries. >> i wanted to say something to josh real quick. man, i understand -- i lost guys too. you know, i said this to other people. it's okay to be angry. it's okay to be frustrated. i am too. in bowe's case, my understanding is he left the post on a number of occasions and came back. that may or may not be true. the intent is what's important. even if he desert, man, he's your brother. forgive him. you know, the anger that you have over your lost brothers, i

get it. direct that anger at the policy, at the people who kept us there in that war, who five years later those guys died and the civil war there, that war is still going on and we're leaving. it's appropriate to be angry. appropriate to be frustrated. appropriate to be upset. i would urge you to look at the policy makers and generals and politicians who kept this war going. >> josh, what do you say to that? >> i really appreciate you and what you're saying. i understand where you're coming from. >> well, the biggest thing i have to say to that is basically the same thing i've been saying all along. there's a bond of brotherhood over there like what he's saying. the thing is that bowe betrayed that bond. he left us. he voluntarily walked away. all of the evidence points to the fact that he just took off his gear in the middle of a guard shift and walked away leaving all of my friends

exposed to the enemy. they could have been killed that night. >> he wasn't on guard duty though. he was off, right? he just wandered away. >> he was on guard duty. he was on guard duty. he left his post to be able to go do that. he was in fact behind a gun and he left his sector completely open so he could walk away. >> i want to jump in here, carol. what i heard from other platoon members is that's not the case. that's what i'm concerned about is that all of the facts aren't out. it's rush to condemn him. my understanding is the investigation that was done here indicated that members of the platoon said bowe had done this previously. he went out with a camera and notebook and he was exploring. i don't know if that's true or not. but that's why i'm so concerned about this combinatindemnation before the facts are known. >> i would ask you one more

question. if bowe bergdahl left base before and returned and those in charge knew, why wasn't he taken out of your platoon? why didn't leadership step in? >> well, those reports are not completely accurate. from what i understand, bergdahl had gone and spent time with the locals and it was just right on top of the hill top right where we were within plain sight. when they were looking for him where he was supposed to be, he wasn't there. it wasn't him wandering off or going to take pictures in town somewhere. he was basically speaking to the locals and interacting with them. >> i guess what i'm asking, josh, is if he didn't really fit in with the platoon and he was causing conflict, and people were wondering about him, why didn't leadership step in and take care of the problem? >> because we were in combat. there were so few of us and

during a time where there needed to be so many soldiers on the battlefield, we had to rely on trust in a lot of cases to try to get through. it was a very, very tough situation. i understand that he probably had some difficulties but all of us did and he's the only one who ended up doing what he did in this war. >> matthew, do you want to respond at all? >> you know, i'm not -- josh, i'm not, you know, giving you a hard time. i just want this to be resolved, the family to get their son back, i want your anguish and grief to be over with. i carry myself too, man. i understand. you know, this whole political theater that's occurring over this, this notion that somehow we would leave an american soldier behind, you know, and i agree, let's have an investigation and figure it out. let's tone down the rhetoric on all sides until we know what's

happened and let bowe recover and most importantly, let the family move on into let them ge on with their life again. it's been five years of suffering and grief on their part. >> i have to leave it here. matthew, josh, thank you so much for your insight. i'll be right back.

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accident. >> he's in intensive care. >> a walmart truck driver in court this morning facing state charges. >> two tractor-trailers involved. >> was the driver dozing off? >> what we said and we're looking into whether it is possible to release the proof of life video. >> white house, pentagon, state department, inviting all house representatives to see the bowe bergdahl video. should you have the right to see it too? this as the fbi investigates death threats against the bergdahl family. >> they have received e-mail and phone threats. plus, it's a far cry from digging your way to freedom. why do that when help comes from the skies. let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. three innocent lives gone inn