maybe there is just a different standard. i can't say we were ever even having that discussion. it was seen beyond the thord. in part because of social media. there is a much greater awareness now. >> top of the hour now. i'm randy kay in for brooke baldwin. they are a pair of cop killers carrying out their own revolution. police are detailing what happened during and after this deadly ambush. jared and amanda miller walked into a pizza parlor and shot two police officers at point-blank

range. the suspects pulled the officers out of the booth and on to the ground where they placed a don't tread on me yellow flag on the body of officer beck. miller pinned a note that basically stated that this is the beginning of the revolution. they made the same types of comments inside of the restaurant where numerous restaurant patrons heard that commentary. >> minutes later they ran to a nearby walmart killing a bystander. the pair engaged in gunfire and ended their lives in what is being called a suicide pact. a loss of two of their own. they were both married with young children. dan simon is in las vegas with

us. are police getting any indication of a motetive? the other officer tries to respond. jared miller then shoots that other officer. eventually they make this way over to walmart. where they want to kill more police officers. an attempt to bring more officers in the store where they can confront them.

that's where a citizen sees what's going on. he's carrying a concealed weapon and he's described as a hero. amanda sees what is going on i can tell you again that authorities believe that these were people who were very anti-law enforcement. they took a flag that said don't tread on me and then they pinned a note on the other officer that said this is a revolution. clearly the suspects wanted to create some sort of massive mayhem. >> dan, thank you very much for the update. flags, writings about the revolution, a swastika. law enforcement are now trying

to put together the pieces and determine exactly why they carried out this deadly attack. let me bring you a senior fellow with southern poverty law center. with the details that we have now that we are just learning, what does this sound like to you? >> well, we found a little more about jared miller. he has a facebook page with an awful long line of complaints about the government. he talks a lot about expecting to die for the cause. so what i think is very clear is that jared miller was very much a part of the larger anti-government pariot. probably the most important single thing on his face book

page was his comment that he had in fact been in mid april. you are 16 away from loss vegas. >> the anti-government rancher? let me ask you, swre the note that was left on one of these officers. i think as they said they were imagining that they were starting the revolution. i'm certainly not accusing.

i think for some people this met the beginning of the war. >> as we learn more about them we understand that they dressed up as costumes and characters it's one thing to talk about it and dress up in bizarre costumes in front of your neighbors and another to go out. how do you know when they're going to take it to this next level? >> well, the sad truth is we don't. the flag has become the flag not only of the tea parties, but of the militia.

that has to do not with this couple being interested in white supremacy. they regarded the pliz as nazis. >> always appreciate your expertise. thank you for your time. just ahead as we get word bo bowe bergdahl is having trouble emotionally. we will hear what he ate and what he studied. we will hear about it next. also, breaking today, the drive of the truck involved in the crash leaving tracy morgan in critical condition had been awake for more than 24 hours. find out what this means in the case against him.

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>> five years held captive by the taliban and now we are getting news about bergdahl's abuse and more. this alleged treatment forming part of the reason why the white house exchanged five taliban commanders. >> they're not the only ones keeping an eye on them. >> the u.s. is going be monitoring? >> they're not the only ones

keeping an eye on them. we have confidence in those requirements. >> what kind of things? >> i'm not telling you that they don't have some ability to go back and get kofed but they also have an ability to get killed doing that. >> the bam administration will be forced to defense the decision. nick, to you first on this, you have been in touch with taliban source sources and have accounts that don't al qaeda jibe. what are the taliban saying now? >> this is a taliban source who has some knowledge of some of bergdahl's's captivity.

this is also a source who has provided accurate information in the past about western prisoners held by the same network in the pakistan afghan region. initially bergdahl's was kept prisoner in a house that didn't have tight security. he was on the run for three whole days. put in a much more secure location. they say bergdahl's then realized that there was no opportunity to escape. that over time he learned the local language that he was able to tell the taliban that he didn't like the food, that he didn't like the land that he wanted more fruit and vegetables. they say they gave him english books to read and say that he stuck to his christian faith.

he wanted to celebrate christmas and easter. so this particular taliban source paints a picture of close confinement but one where bergdahl learns to speak and communicate with his captors. >> one of the things that are dif cushion for us to understand is that for them, this is a business transaction. now the picture that is emerging is still fluid and early. there is still a lot that we don't know. there were incentives or

disincentives for him to perform better or not so. he can get put in a cage or not. >> we don't think of somebody who can choose the items on their menu and play soccer. have you ever heard of this before? >> no. we don't know what really goes on inside a place where the taliban are holding prisoners. certainly the idea that they wouldn't want to kill him off is clearly what the game was all about here. the fact that he learned to sur five by learning to communicate with captors, finding those who have a softer touch. might allow the slightly better food. that is absolutely typical to try to communicate and get things on their terms even if

it's minute. but we really don't know. when sergeant bergdahl tells his story that is when we will perhaps get the whole picture. >> who should we believe? we have the taliban saying he ate really well and he got to play soccer. >> i would let the facts shake out more. a lot of the facts or details probably all depend on what he was doing at the time. >> all right. appreciate your time. thank you. >> just ahead, breaking today the driver of the truck involved in the crash that left actor tracy morgan in krit tall condition. police say he had been awake for more than 24 hours. find out what this means in the case against him. >> and hillary clinton telling abc that she and bill clinton were dead broke.

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>> welcome back. an internal audit is just now being released and it supports the disturbing findings first uncovered by a cnn senior investigation. drew, what is in this new report? >> it's a nationwide audit for the va itself. 57,000 veterans are actually waiting for care right now.

the report also talks about 63,000 plus lying about actual wait times for veterans just one of the quotes is really troubling. in order to make waiting times appear more favorable. those are the secret listings i am hearing about. the va is now reporting on itself and vowing to make ends

better. >> at least we're seeing more from them and learning more from what they're doing behind the scenes. fix problems with manipulated wait times that you have reported on and also access to care. at this point what are they proposing and is it going to do anything about the problem? >> it will immediately and this is coming from the va and in a house bill and a senate bill that are now moving through the congress. this would allow veterans to go outside and access the care. that's a very short term solution. the bigger props will take much,much longer to take care of. but at least those emergency measures are being implemented by the va.

this is just really basic. ged these people in to see the doctors that they need to see. >> actor and comedian tracy morgan remains in critical condition in a new jersey hospital still recovering but more responsive. the driver of the truck is 35-year-old kevin roper and had been awake for more than 24 hours before the accident. yes, more than 24 hours. just a short time ago roper arrived in court to be arraigned. nancy grace is with me now.

24 hours without sleep, your reaction first. >> there are federal regulations that were put in place to govern long distance truck drives. they are not supposed to go more than 10 to 14 hours at a spell. there will be an investigation as to whether they allowed him to work the 24 hours, whether they made him, or whether he did i on his own. if we have got the right twitter handle, apparently he has bragged, it's my road. move or get hit. that doesn't bode well. >> no, it certainly doesn't. but if that is his twitter handle. but talk about walmart. he was driving for walmart. they release this statement.

what contactually might that mean for walmart? obviously walmart is not going be put in jail. so when corporations say they will take full responsibility is they are prepared to pay money if there is a civil lawsuit. you've got a vehicular homicide, death by vehicle, four assaults on the different people that were not killed that were in the vehicle. looking at about 16 years behind bar bars will it go that far? probably not. if it goes criminally it will most likely be a plea gar ban. why had this guy been awake, if it's true that he had been awake

over 24 hours on the road. >> and who asked him to be awake. that's a key question right? >> we don't know if walmart put that pressure on him or was he behind? was he trying to catch up? did he do this on his own? but it's in violation of federal regulations that were enacted specifically for cases like this. >> what about the charges? they certainly seem to have come very quickly at least from our point of view here is that because a celebrity was involved? >> actually, under our constitution, within 72 hours at the most, you have got to have a formal hearing where you're told your charges. that's not unusual. you expect that within 10 to 72 hours. in this case i think they did a field spryty test, a blow test. he's not charged with dui. so far blod analysis has not

revealed any drugs or alcohol. i really do think at this juncture he fell asleep. that's why you get a quick charge. >> right. no question what happened, i guess. tet myers told him his thoughts are with morgan right now. >> as long as i'm talking to you today, you your good friend is in the hospital. >> certainly sending thoughts and prayers. tracy was a vet when i started and always looked out for me. >> you can hear the rest of jake's interview at 4:00 p.m.

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>> bill and hillary are thought to be worth more than $100 million. not too shaby when you consider that bill clinton owned a 1967 mustang when first elected president. they were worse off when they left the white house with bill's legal bills. >> we came out of the white house not only dead broke but in debt. we had no money when we got there and we struggled to piece together resources for mortgages for houses, for chelsea's education. it was not easy. >> speeches and books are what made the clinton's wealthy.

is it to hillary clinton's advantage, a lot of people are wondering, to remind voters that she and her husband were not always members of the top 1%. >> certainly is. in some ways this is the first element of what has otherwise been an incredibly well scripted publicity tour. >> in that interview, hillary clinton told diane sawyer that she will know by the end of the year if she will run in 2016. >> i have to make the decision that's right for me and the country. >> is the party frozen in place waiting for you? >> no. people can do whatever they choose to do on whatever timetable they decide. >> we all read the polls. everyone is just waiting for her. is she icing her potential

opponents? it's not a ne ne nom non-. she has tremendous amount of support within the party. a poll just released today found her at 60%. it's not as if this very gradual media roll out has really been the decisive factor? >> what do potential challengers feeling? >> many of them are biding their time. elizabeth warn though she has said that she's not going to run continues to garner support and she also has a memoir out. then there are others who are in

the wait and see right now. i think they know full well that she is likely to run but they are there on the off chance that something were to happen. >> let's just say january 1 rolls around and hillary clinton comes out and says you know what? no. i don't want to run. what then? how many democrats do you think might actually jump in? will it be a sudden scramble or a slow process? >> well, it's the slow building all at once. there are lots of people meeting with governor omally. he is unlikely to capitalize on it unless hillary were to pull out. >> all right. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> and a programming reminder. hillary clinton will join us next week for a very important

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>> 20 years ago, millions of us stopped what we were doing and watched a police chase unfold live on television.

for two hours a white ford bronco drove down one of the busiest interstates in california with a fleet of police cars giving chase. in that car, one of the most famous athletes in america. sit the subject of cnn's upcoming documentary, oj's wild ride. >> he assured us and agreed to provide for the surrender. oj simpson became the most famous fugitive on the planet. >> everybody was on alert. david believed o.j.'s where abouts wouldn't remain a mystery

very long. >> i told him directly you know how this is going to end up. somebody is going to see him out on the freeway. >> highway patrol. >> i think i just saw o.j. simpson. he is heading north. >> south of los angeles, the white bronco is spotted. at the wheel, o.j.'s best friend and former teammate. >> can you see him? >> yeah, we believe so. we looked at him and he stared us down like he was mad. with police in his rear view, callings calls 911 making sure they know that oj is armed and desperate. >> i have oj in the car.

>> where are you? >> i'm coming up the five freeway. right now we are okay. but you got to tell them to back off. he's still alive but got a gun to his head. >> is everything else okay? >> everything right now is okay. everything is okay. he wants to get out. >> what's your name? >> you know who i am -- >> wow. that brings me back. i got to tell you. >> brings you back? i was there 20 years ago interviewing all of these people. talking to the same people telling me things that they couldn't tell me 20 years ago. so many of these people became celebrities. this is that one guy so many people wanted to talk to and sit

down and have an in-depth interview. he was the one trying to keep o.j. calm. one of my sources for 20 years said would you still have a phone number? if you're going to talk to him, i want to tell the story. dialed him up. he was not happy with me. he said i just want to be left alone. i'm not going to talk. i'm an old man and that's all i have to say. i kept trying to get more from him. he remained adamant. i didn't realize this for a number of years. if o.j. simpson would have pulled that gun out and pointed it at anybody, that swat team was ready to take him out. i will take you back to that moment now. >> at this point we can only pray that they will be able to pull this off in a safe measure. >> distraught with a gun to his

head, o.j. simpson is on the run and threatening to end his emotional pain with a bullet. >> just throw it out the window. and nobody's going get hurt. >> i'm the only one who deserves it. >> you do not deserve to get hurt. >> the detective is on the phone hoping to prevent o.j. from committing suicide. >> was that gun loaded? >> oh yeah. it was a real gun. real bullet gs. this is now a public safety issue. >> i love everybody. i'm trying to show everybody that i love everybody. >> we know that and everybody loves you, especially your family. your mother and kids. don't do this. >> lang is doing all that he can to try and keep things from

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. welcome back, everyone. new video in to cnn. this is president obama in washington stopping by to get a little starbucks earlier this afternoon, drinking his tea, saying hello to the customers there, people on the street shouting out, construction workers on the way as he makes

his way back to the white house. this is after he's taking steps to ease the crushing student loan debt. let's listen to that. >> here's the problem. at a time when higher education has never been more important, it's also never been more expensive. over the last three decades, the average tuition at a public university has more than tripled. at the same time, the typical family's income has gone up 16%. >> i want to bring in cnn's alison kosik. she's at the new york stock exchange. >> if you're a former student with a not so high-paying job, this could help you out eventually because it will go into effect next year in december. what president obama did earlier today, he put a couple things on the table to make it easier to pay back the student loans. for one, he signed an executive

order which allows another 5 million students to pay no more than 10% of their monthly discretionary income on loan payments. there's a mathematical figure that works it out. the new twist with this is that it opens up to more people who would qualify, specifically, people who took out loans before october of 2007 and after making loans for 20 years, if you qualify, any debt that is left behind is actually forgiven at a cost to taxpayers. now, the second thing that president obama is doing is calling on lawmakers to pass a measure that would allow college graduates who have a lot of college debt to refinance their loans at a lower rate. randi? >> i'm glad you brought up the refinance because why would cross be against letting students refinance? >> it comes down to, what else,

money. lawmakers could wiped up cutting back on other benefits to take care of the student loan programs. but he's been making it a real centerpiece of his administration for a couple of reasons. one, there is concern that as students get out there with a lot of debt they are not helping spend money on buying things like buying a house. randi? a tragic story in australia's remote south. a man was snatched from his boat on sunday by a 15-foot long crocodile. he was pulled from the boat as his family watched in horror. the man's wife had to drive two frantic hours for help and the outcome was tragic. >> during daylight hours today, the rangers using their expertise found two crocodiles and they were shot and killed. one of those was later examined

and human remains were recovered. >> such a terrible story. that river has come to be notorious for crocodile attacks. on swimmers, though, not on boaters. boston's fenway park has seen its share of heroes but on friday it hosted people who know what real courage really is. first you get hit by psoriasis. and now you get hit again.

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before we go, brooke was off friday because she was invited to play softball. this wasn't just any softball game. this was a game at fenway park but the best part was who she played for, our heroes, our veterans, all thanks to massachusetts fallen heroes. take a look. >> it's all coming back: this is

fun. why did you organize this whole thing and more importantly, why did you invite me to play softball at fenway? >> because you're bringing the heat, baby! i saw these men and women in the physical fitness area just trying to get back into society and i wanted to do something. i didn't know what it was i wanted to do but i wanted it to be festive, i wanted it to include the families and i wanted to say thank you. >> i made it to first base. that was the worst hit also, by the way. >> you play basketball. how does softball compare, my friends? >> it doesn't? it's a lot of pressure right now. a lot of pressure. >> playing for the veterans. big deal. >> it helps the cause and it's a beautiful day in fenway.

>> the word boston strong has been thrown around since the tragic events of the boston marathon. i grew up there. boston has been strong as long as i have been here. >> how long were you and where did you serve? >> 5 1/2 years, marine corps, iraq in 2004 and 2006. i've never been to fenway. >> you've never been to fenway? >> no. new york born and raised. >> so this is enemy turf. >> yes. >> so are you a yankee fan in. >> yes. >> interview is over. >> how can we americans better help serve you guys? >> i think the younger generation thinks that a veteran is the 92-year-old who fought in world war i or ii. you've got to put a face with it. it's your neighbor. >> a couple guys playing ball on

friday at fenway. >> it don't get better than that. >> that looked like great fun. thank you so much for watching, everyone. i'm randi kaye. jake tapper picks it up from here with "the lead." they talked about a revolution. they had a suicide pact and now we're learning even more about their plans. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the national lead. red flags and swasticas. what police are saying about the possible white supremacist ties. also in national news, the truck driver that hurt funny man tracy morgan. he may have been awake for more than 24 hours before that horrific crash. and it's hillary clinton book week. she say she and bill were dead broke