and a change in attitudes about o.j. simpson. a majority of african-americans now say that the murder charges against o.j. simpson were true. and 20 years after the chase premiers tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern and right here i'm going to talk to nicole brown-simpson's sister. brown-simpson's sister. "ac360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. breaking news in the rampage in las vegas. two police officers and one civilian shot death by a couple who long talked about hating the government had written about it online and supported anti-government organizations. sunday they turned their words into violence before taking their own lives. now, ordinarily, particularly in school shootings we neither show the faces or show the names of

killers like these because we feel it's more important that the history and we remember the names and lives of the victims and survivors. however, in this case, it's important to understand the perpetrators. police are looking for what drove them. with that in mind, the breaking news videotape of the husband at the recent government standoff with rancher bundy voicing his views and a warning. >> i feel sorry for any federal agent that is want to come in here and try to push us around or anything like that. i really don't want violence toward them but if they're going to come, bring violence to us, well, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it. >> the son said they were asked to leave because of the radical beliefs. >> today authorities revealed minute by minute details of their rampage. we'll have more on that. >> i have five deaths on my shoulders. i should have called the cops. >> reporter: but kelly fielder

didn't. the couple had been living with her for the last two weeks saying they were preparing for something against the government. >> it was yesterday morning. 5:45 in the morning. and he said that the revolution had begun. he said, i got to do what i got to do. they had, i mean, a cart full of just ammunition, ammunition, guns, everything. >> reporter: were they carrying them? can you describe? >> they were carrying them they said they were going underground. >> reporter: where the couple was going is here. cici's pizza. las vegas police officers were eating lunch. >> crawling, groveling on the hands and knees. give me permission to do this. give me permission to do that. >> reporter: police say jerad miller talking about the disgust for the government and his wife amanda didn't know the officers they targeted. they shot 31-year-old officer saldo in the back of the head killing him instantly.

partner alyn beck, aged 41, was shot in the throat but still managed to fire back before they shot him again. the couple then pulled the officer's bodies out of the booth. >> where they placed a flag, a don't tread on me yellow flag on the body of officer beck. they also threw a swastika on top of his body. >> reporter: kelly fielder knows exactly what the police are talking about. >> he's got the no tread on me flags. that's what put on that cop. and, yeah. swastika pins and -- this is his words. every popo he cleans he's going to put a swastika on him. >> reporter: the couple did put a swastika on the victims and pinned a note on officer saldo declaring, this is the beginning of the revolution before moving to to the packed walmart across the street. >> two people walked in and were shooting up in the ceiling and telling everyone to get out of the store. get out of the store. we want a war. >> reporter: customer joseph

wilcox did not run. he was carrying a concealed weapon and heroically confronted the male gunman but wilcox did not see the wife and police say she shot and killed him. police arrived and exchanged gun fire with the couple before the wife, wounded, shot her husband, then shot herself. >> it was pretty much always talking about how much, you know, you know, the government's changed the united states of america. >> reporter: many living in the same apartment complex heard the radical views. shared openly, on social media and talk about their love for each other and a picture on their facebook page shows their affection for the joker from the batman series. kelly fielder says looking back, the red flags are obvious. she wishes she had done something. >> i am so, so, so sorry to everybody that -- i'm sorry. >> kuang joins us now from las vegas. the fact that she witnessed what seems to be a lot of red flags,

what is the las vegas police department saying about this? >> reporter: well, they actually addressed this in their news conference and you could hear how frustrated they were because there were so many red flags and no one said anything. they say they have a campaign of the see something, do something. they're urging people, wherever you are, if you see something, don't hesitate to call your local police. the citizenry is the best eyes and ears for this, anderson. it's always 20/20 hindsight, we know. if you can, try to say something before anything happens. anderson? >> seems like she saw a lot and could have said something. thanks very much. in addition to hearing what she heard from the millers, kelly fielder was holding a box of documents for them, presumably not knowing the contents of them. if that's according to local paper "the las vegas review journal" saying the documents included detailed plans to take over a courthouse and kill public officials. in a moment, where their goals and views fit into a bigger picture.

but first what we're learning about the three lives they took. >> we're a community in tears here. i will tell you these werewolf officers. >> reporter: a community in tears over the deaths of two of their own. police officers who were just out to grab some lunch. officer alyn beck joined the las vegas metropolitan police in august of 2001. his friends say he was a good person whose goal was to help people. >> alyn was a wonderful person. he was the best of people. he was always about service. he was the funnest guy. he was -- you think of some people good in eulogy only and alyn was the absolute opposite of. that alyn is easy to eulogize because that's all he was, was good. >> reporter: officer beck married and leaves behind three children. he was just 41 years old. alyn's partner, officer igor l

soldo joined the force in 2006. he attended high school in lyndon, nebraska and worked as a corrections officer before joining the force. described by family as a good father and a great man, soldo leaves behind a wife and baby. >> imagine young people and a family finding out your husband and wife gone off to work and that's it? fine. innocent because we have got the sick, sick cowardly people out there that just decide to express themselves all the time with bullets and we see it repeatedly across this country. >> reporter: joseph wilcox was shopping at walmart. police say he had a concealed weapon and tried to confront a gunman. he was shot and killed. his friend was with him and believed wilcox prevented the killers from targeting other victims. >> i wanted to tell him, don't do this. come with me. i also felt that he's possibly going to be saving some lives and it all happened so quick. i think before i could get words out i heard gunshots and just wanted do get out. >> reporter: joseph wilcox was 31. we want to dig deeper now into the violent ideology that seemed

to have fuelled the killers and the assault last week on a courthouse in georgia. joining us is mark potok of the southern law center and arnis. mark, you say with terms of what these people were, the connection to the bundy ranch is for you the most telling aspect in all of this. can you explain that? >> yeah. i think so. i say that because the bundy ranch standoff and its outcome which was that the federal government retreated in the face of armed threats from militia men and the bundy family and so on was seen as a spectacular victory by literally thousands, probably tens of thousands or even more americans in the militia movement. they felt the government had backed down, that they had shown the world who was right in this standoff. and that they had essentially won the first battle in a war. so, while i certainly can't

prove this definitively, it seems very likely that the millers felt that the war had begun, the first battle had been a great and successful one. and now was the time to strike. you know, it really is remarkable that they're now these reports of them talking about taking over a courthouse and so on because we did see that very same situation in atlanta on friday of last week, when another gunman, also from the patriot movement apparently tried to do the very same thing. >> arno, do you agree with what mark is saying is anti-government rhetoric of bundy and his supporters and what they promoted was an essential ingredient in this attack? >> yeah. absolutely. basically what we're talking about is cultivation of fear. you need to have an environment of constant fear to drive people to the point where they commit an atrocity like what happened in las vegas or like what happened in oak creek, wisconsin, august 5th, 2012. if you look at any mass shooting, in any kind of

violence, this narrative of fear of the government being out to get us, of black people, jewish people, gay people. it's always this us versus them narrative and it's always rooted in a very deep fear. >> mark, i mean, the bundy family said, look, these people were asked to leave the ranch. they're essentially distancing themselves from these people. >> well, look, i mean, i'm certainly not trying to say the bundys have responsibility in this. i don't think that. the bundys did help create a situation in which hundreds of armed militiamen felt just fine about training scoped semiautomatic weapons at the heads of law enforcement officials. it was an amazing confrontation and at the end of the day what was it really about? it was not about protecting the constitution. as the bundys claimed but protecting bundy's theft of a

million dollars from the american people. so no. you know? i'm not blaming them but the confrontation that they created by calling in the militias, by essentially welcoming people armed to the teeth to confront federal law enforcement agents i think really did create what is seen as a kind of victory on the part of the militia movement and arguably is helping to lead to things like this latest outrage. >> mark, obviously, your group tracks these sorts of things. have you seen a rise in this kind of -- certainly rhetoric, this kind of attack? >> we have seen a rise both in this kind of rhetoric and this kind of attack, and in particular, since barack obama appeared on the national political scene in the fall of 2008 when, of course, he was running for president. it began almost immediately. before obama even left denver where he was nominated by the democratic national convention in august of 2008, there was already a skinhead plot to murder him. from that point, they just proliferated.

i think arno is right about the kind of generation, production of fear, the patriot movement and they're not the only ones. many of the tea parties, nra and others just can't stop talking about how they believe that obama is about to seize the weapons of all americans. that obama's about to unconstitutionally somehow seize a third term. there's really an immense amount of fearmongering and that kind of propaganda, that kind of talk has real consequences in the real world and i feel that that's what we have just seen in las vegas, not to mention atlanta. >> arno, how does one combat this? what can be learned from this? >> well, essentially, this is absolutely an issue of responsibility and i believe -- i love you, mark. it's great to be on media with you again. i'm going to disagree with you by saying that bundy is responsible for this as we are

all responsible for this. we are all responsible for this huge, magnificent echo chamber we exist in with media and information ubiquitous nowadays. whatever we put out into that is going to reflect in one way or another. now, if cliven bundy or anyone else is constantly saying, like mark pointed out, obama is coming to take your guns, the government's coming to get you, that contributes to the environment that jared and amanda miller came from. they are responsible in that sense and we are all responsible and i find that to be good news because i believe that the best way to counter that kind of fear is to first of all have a keep confidence that this existence we all share as human beings is a basically good experience. no matter how dismal things seem and no matter what kind of atrocities happen, human beings

are capable of needing compassion and giving compassion to each other. this is true throughout human history and the reason we're still here. no matter how horrible things have gotten throughout slavery and genocide, there has been an equal if not greater response of compassion so that response is really where the salvation lies. >> mark, though, in terms of kind of just logistics, though, without, you know, an online presence to track, how does one go about -- how does the government go about stopping this sort of thing? i mean, because there are a lot of groups out there watching this -- there are a lot of groups out there, you know, conspiracy theorists who say it's a false flag operation. i hear from these looneys all the time. >> yeah. they're already saying that. it's a false flag operation. harry reid carried this out. you know? harry reid who, of course, described cliempb -- cliven

bundy as a domestic terrorist and so on. look. i think they're incredibly difficult to stop. i think as the introductory segment showed pretty clearly, about the only place this could have been stopped was with the woman who had heard them discuss at home their plans. they were going underground and so on. the revolution had started. you know, i looked at a lot of postings by the millers and particular jared miller and he did have some cryptic last words on saturday, the day before the shooting began. but i don't think it's anything that could have tipped law enforcement to, you know, he said sort of the dawn of a new day. wondering whether it's worth the sacrifice. but it never gets into any detail and i think the sad reality is there are tens of thousands of people who believe things just like the millers believed and some percentage of those people are going to act on those beliefs. i'd like to add one point to what arno said which i think that he made a good point which is that it's not only the

bundies or the militia movement but it is the politicians in the political main stream who aided and abetted the bundys and people like them. the governor of nevada. the congressman that came out and said bundy's a great guy fighting to defend the constitution. that was never true. but these politicians were perfectly willing to pander to the right wing elements of the base and they were sorry in the end. >> mark, i appreciate you being on. mark potok and arno mckayless, thanks so much. the killing seems primarily driven like ideology. the shooter last week in seattle, says he heard voices in his head and to many, many others who never hurt anyone and remarkable researcher who you meet after the break. she is living with the voices for much of her life with schizophrenia and designed an exercise in empathy and i recently tried. >> just go here. >> the challenge, spend 45

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this next story really eye opening experience for me motivated by yet another shooting, one last week at seattle pacific university. unlike the latest one in las vegas, the seattle incident doesn't appear to have been politically motivated. instead, like so many other mass shootings, there's a mental health component to it. court records show the alleged gunman was battling voices. a number of mental illnesses and schizophrenia can cause auditory hallucinations. it's important to know that only a small number of people who hear voices do any kind of violent activity. pat dealen is a clinical psychologist and innovator and diagnosed with schizophrenia and designed an experiment designed to help others understand what she and others deal with every day. for three quarters of an hour, you listen to voices trying to do everything from puzzles to simply interacting with people on the street. here's my experience and a warning the find some of the voices unsettling.

>> going to put the earphones in and do a series of tests. okay. so i'm now hearing sort of whispers and voices in my head and the first test is some number puzzles. >> listen. >> you suck and they know it! can't you get this right? >> okay. so i did this test for three minutes and i did not get a single one. it's very hard to -- it's hard to concentrate when if it's music or something constant, it's easy but people talking to you is very difficult. so now i'm going to be asked a series of questions by our producer susan and these are basically a series of questions that a person would be asked and they were admitted to a hospital. >> can you tell me what day it is? >> yeah. it's sunday, june -- i don't know. what's the date? the 7th? >> i'm going to say five numbers and i want you to repeat them

back to me after i'm done. >> okay. >> five, 23, 67, 2, 76. >> almost there. >> 5, 23, 67, something, 76. >> enough meat. >> five words. you don't have to repeat them. but just listen to them. >> you'll be me. >> cat. book. >> to me. >> cigar. >> i'll make it. >> damage and rain. >> make you okay. >> can you name the last four presidents of the united states? >> okay for you to be -- >> barack obama, george bush. >> right here. >> bill clinton. george bush. >> so those five words i said before, can you remember any of them? >> no. it's hard when -- because sometimes the voices are whispering. sometimes they're aggressive and sometimes kind of comforting and, again, with people talking to you all the time, it's -- >> it's okay. >> it's hard. >> don't worry. now or later. don't worry.

>> trying to make a boat, origami following these instructions. >> it will be okay. near, near. get near. >> shut up! shut up! >> i want to talk back to the voices now but it's really distracting. >> not do it! do not touch that! stop! >> eyes down. >> you suck! what are you looking at? this is easy! you want to touch that? >> i can't do this. >> hand down. keep your eyes down. just do it. just do it. just do it. no. filthy mind! leave it alone! >> it's also frustrating because they're telling me i can't do it and i'm -- i didn't do a very good job with the boat but it's

really hard to focus when kind of people are whispering to you and talking to you. >> just come clear. come near to me. come near for help. >> hey. do you have yesterday's paper? yesterday's "the new york times"? no? okay. i'll just get today's. it's really -- it's incredibly distracting on the street to have somebody talking in your head and it makes you feel completely isolated from everybody around you. you don't want to engage in conversation with someone else. you want to engage in the conversation with the voices in your head. and they're negative and talking

to you and everything they're saying relates to things you're doing. criticizing things you're doing. like somebody's -- like you have a chorus watching you and commenting on what you're doing and you can't help but -- i mean i literally find myself wanting to respond to them, kind of tell them to be quiet and it's incredibly unpleasant. this is a very, very unpleasant experiment. it's really -- it's eye opening because it kind of really shows you what it's -- what other people must be going through who deal with this on a regular basis. but also, like i cannot wait to take these headphones off. because it's really -- it's really depressing. it's very -- it's very negative. it makes you feel very, very negative. yeah. it's very creepy. i want it to stop. >> eyes down. back up. stand up now! i'll cut you off. i've cut 20, 30, 40. stand up now. walk away. >> you're okay. >> walk now. >> yes. >> pacify.

on to pacify. all the way to make it home. >> that's very upsetting. pat designed that experiment. she was trying to get people to understand what people with schizophrenia and other mental illnesses go through on a daily basis hearing the voices all the time. pat was diagnosed with schizophrenia as a teenager after being urged to enter a halfway house and all intents and purposes to retire from life. she decided instead to become a clinical psychologist and change the mental health system and join us tonight. how did you come up with the idea for kind of helping people understand what people who are experiencing schizophrenia are going through? >> i began to realize on a lot of college campuses when day were trying to train people to understand people going through a moe biblt impairment they have students go and "n" a wheelchair and navigate campus. and i said i want to convey what the experience of hearing the distresses voices is like and

more than sort of a trip pi experience that people would sort of kick back and say this is so weird. i wanted people to have to encounter the challenge that we're challenged with moving through a regular day. >> it was isolating. to be out on the street and voices talking to me often saying very negative things, negative things about what i was doing and thinking, about how i should act, it made me feel incredibly isolated from other people and even to the point where i wanted to talk back to the voices. even though i know i obviously knew they were just voices on an ipod. >> everyone reacts really differently and it is interesting your reaction is to want to talk back to them. some people want to cower and avoid them. it is isolating because you have a sense others are not sharing the same sort of auditory experience you are having and so i think what a lot of us do is tend to walk around and feel very alone with it and then it gets reinforced by society's stigma of it. >> how does one deal with it?

i cannot imagine dealing with this -- i mean, i did it for 45 minutes. i cannot imagine dealing with for a day let alone years of one's life. >> i think there are many ways that people deal with it. i'll ask you, what did you do to manage when you first were having this experience? >> i -- i mean, i kind of -- i kept looking at the clock thinking, okay, there's only three more minutes of this test that i have to do because i couldn't really function. i couldn't -- i mean, i'm not great with numbers and could not come with any -- on the numbers test, walking down the street is so isolating and interacting with other people so difficult because you have other people in your head commenting on things, like don't look up. look down and different people commenting. it was just -- i don't know how i would deal with it. >> you were dealing with it and that's the point and then when we have the experience of first starting to hear voices, we deal with it, as well. one of the things you did is say, hey, this is a phase and

this will be over and you can get through anything if you know it has an end in sight. that's for instance coping strategy you did use. i think in the beginning, people are easily overwhelmed by the experience. actually, engulfed by it because the nature of the voices is all powerful, all knowing, all seeing but over time people come up with rather ingenious ways of beginning to manage these distressing voices and one which that's popular is listening to headphones and being able to distract yourself with music. >> it's really a pleasure to have you here. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. up next, breaking news, a closed door briefing on the swap for sergeant bergdahl and the threats against his parents and the different portrait that is are emerging. question is which is the accurate one? latest on tracy morgan's prognosis and the details of the accident that left him in critical condition and killed his friend. hey. i'm ted and this is rudy. say "hi" rudy. [ barks ] [ chuckles ] i'd do anything to keep this guy happy and healthy. that's why i'm so excited about these new milk-bone brushing chews. whoa, i'm not the only one.

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arms again, never wanting to let you go. five years is a sleemingly endlessly long time. but you've made it. >> well, the bergdahls not spoken publicly since the news conference. tonight the fbi's investigating threats the parents have received in e-mails as two very different versions of their son blur the story even further. >> reporter: to date, military doctors at landstuhl say the health is improving but in the days since the release of the taliban, the pentagon, fellow soldiers and afghans presented two vastly contradictory portraits. deserter or good soldier? first dispute is the circumstances of the disappearance. a military investigation found he wandered off base more than once. still, afghan witnesses told cnn the morning he was taken he was forcibly abducted, beaten as he resisted, while some of his

platoon mates allege he may have been trying to contact the taliban. >> i heard it straight from the interpreter lips hearing it over the radio and at this point, this is kind of snowballing out of the control a little bit. there's a lot more to the story than just a soldier walking away. >> reporter: for troops killed in the search for him, in the massive manhunt that ensued after he went missing, fellow soldiers say six troops were killed. pentagon says there is no such evidence. and then there is his behavior in captivity, collaborator or survivor? military officials tell cnn he attempted escape more than once. was held in a cage and physically abused. a taliban source told cnn he sometimes played soccer with his captors, was allowed to celebrate christmas and easter and even chose his own food. but u.s. officials have not been able to confirm this account. >> you want to humanize yourself so the guards start to trust you so when they stop watching you so closely, you can try to escape.

>> reporter: a friend of the bergdahl family and former marine is pleading for time. >> i'm concerned about is that all the facts aren't out and rush to condemn him. >> jim joins us from washington. you talk about how he got along with the taliban according to one afghan source. he may have played soccer with them. we don't know why he would have done that if he in fact did it. it is important for hostage to humanize themselves to their captors, as every kidnap victim i've talked to said that. >> no question. one of the first pieces of advice i've gotten before i travelled to iraq or afghanistan. i'm sure you got the same advice and this is about establishing a connection. it could be simple, making eye contact, knowing each other's names. the point is not to become their friends but it's to survive because if you are humanized, you are the theory goes more likely to be treated humanely, and frankly, less likely to be killed. not foolproof but a survival tactic.

david rhoads told the story of how his translator played soccer with his captors. that helped build trust and let him out of the compound and the knowledge getting out of the compound helped that translator help david rhoads escape because they knew the path out and they knew the way to get to a pakistani military post and that's how they survived. so those little victories along the way can mean the difference between survival and not surviving. >> still a lot to learn. appreciate it. president obama as you know didn't consult congress before approving the swap that freed bergdahl. top white house deputies tonight tried to convince lawmakers they made the right call. diana bash joins us now. a lot of members angry they weren't given advanced notice about this exchange and it sounds like they are not leaving the briefing any happier. >> reporter: not at all. less satisfied than when they went into the briefing primarily because one thing they were told is 80 to 90 members of the administration knew about this plan beforehand. how many members of congress knew it was going to happen?

well, none. what they don't know and they asked these briefers i'm told on both sides of the aisle is who are these people? what part of the administration were they? how much detail did they know? did they know just the specific parts perhaps they had to execute or the whole of the swap? those are questions that the administration says they're going to get back to these lawmakers on. >> do we know, i mean, why the members were told that they weren't given advanced notice? >> reporter: leaks. point blank. just like senators told last week, house members were told tonight that they were worried that members of congress were going to leak the information and that if that happened, there was a chance that bergdahl would be killed. now, that is not sitting well, not just with republicans, anderson, but democrats, as well. saying, you know, that's just not fair. because many of the leaks that you've seen on national security haven't come from congress in recent years. they have come from members of the administration and not buying it here. >> there would be questions of the term of the exchange.

does it seem as if lawmakers feel any more asewered that these taliban commanders won't return to the battlefield? >> reporter: again, no. not at all. there were lots of questions i'm told asked behind closed doors of whether there was assurance beyond what we know publicly that that would be kept off the battlefield for lack of a better way to say it and that was not given to them at all. no assurance. the only thing that they were told is that they do feel that because u.s. troops, the war is winding down, and u.s. troops will not be in afghanistan there, will be less of a threat. to which i asked a lawmaker i was talking to afterwards, did anybody ask about 9/11? because, of course, the threat was not to u.s. troops or any u.s. personnel there but here in the u.s. homeland and told a lawmaker did ask that and wasn't given a straight answer. and one other thing i shouldunder score on the question of what they were told today, apparently, according to people in both parties after

this meeting, the -- a lot of what was told to them was not classified. primarily because, again, they don't trust members of congress. >> all right. dana, appreciate it. thanks very much. still ahead, new information on the va scandal, why are veterans waiting for care? plus we know about the driver charged in the crash that left actor tracy morgan seriously injured, killed a man. new details on how morgan is doing tonight. she keeps you on your toes.

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more breaking news on capitol hill. members of the house veterans affairs committee are grilling va officials and other witnesses about why so many sick veterans have been forced to wait so long to get the care they need, some of them dying before they ever see a doctor. the va inspector general says the agency's reviewing 69 facilities. as you know, the scandal cost eric shinseki his job. drew griffin is reporting on the delays in health care for sick vets since last year and the information he uncovered sparked government investigations and multiple hearings. tonight, tonight's hearing on the wake of the new report on the delays. earlier today, the va released an internal audit showing how widespread the problems are and drew joins me now. so let's talk about the hearing still going on. what are we learning from hit

tonight? >> reporter: the big number is one you reported. that this continues to grow in size. 69 different va facilities are now being investigated by the inspector general. and tonight, he, the acting inspector general's name richard griffin said, listen, we're uncovering evidence that supervisors were directing the manipulation of this wait-time data. it's happened at many, many different facilities. so it seems like i would say this cover-up is growing within the va and the numbers are completely unreliable as to how long veterans have been waiting, how many have been waiting on secret lists and how many are not getting cared for at all. >> they did release the audit of the hospitals and the large outpatient clinics, right? >> reporter: yeah. the numbers are huge. 57,000 veterans across this country have been waiting more than 90 days to get care that they need. 57,000. >> incredible. >> reporter: another 64,000 are not on any list. these are people who have signed

up for the va's health care in the last ten years and haven't had an appointment. the chairman, chairman jeff miller tonight said those are 64,000 vets who's fallen through the cracks. it is just crazy and the va is also reporting that it is finding evidence of wrongdoing by its own employees, finding that pressures -- i'm going to read it from the report. pressures were placed on schedulers to utilize unofficial lists or engage in inappropriate practices in order to make waiting times appear more favorable. more favorable, anderson, to get bonuses and when we talk about unofficial lists we're talking about secret lists. that's what those are. >> i mean, 64,000 people, that's a huge crack to fall through. that's not just a little -- you know, is this a criminal investigation at this point? >> reporter: everybody is dancing around this. the inspector general tonight says the troubles at the va will end when senior leadership, senior management is either fired or prosecuted.

we know that the inspector general has handed over a lot of information to the department of justice. richard griffin said just a few moments ago he believes criminal activity did take place but, you know, where is the investigator? where's the investigation that's going to lead to that? we don't know yet. >> is the department of justice saying anything, will they be involved? >> reporter: not quite yet. they're monitoring the situation. they're cooperating with the va's inspector general. but eric holder apparently not ready to say there's a criminal investigation. >> wow. >> reporter: this despite the fact that 21 senators sent bipartisan letter to him really demanding a criminal investigation be taken. >> yeah. it's unbelievable. pamela brown with a "360" news and business bulletin. pakistani taliban claimed responsibility for a siege on karachi's airport. officials say 29 people killed and 10 militants.

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the former "30 rock" and "saturday night live" star suffered several broken bones and is expected to be hospitalized for weeks. randi kaye has more on the accident. >> reporter: around 1:00 a.m. saturday on the new jersey turnpike, a tractor trailer driver doesn't see the slow-moving cars in front of him in time. he swerves to avoid them, police say, but it's too late. the truck driver strikes a limo van from blind causing it to spin and overturn. >> six-vehicle accident, two tractor trailers involved. comedian actor tracy morgan was involved. >> reporter: actor and comedian tracy morgan was inside the van with the others. on their way back from a show on his turn it funny tour at the dover downs hotel casino in delaware. >> help of god. >> reporter: this video of tmz shows morgan being pulled from the limo, critically injured. the group heading north on the turnpike in mercer county when the accident happened.

limo van passenger james mcnair a friend of morgan's and fellow comedian, was killed in the crash. >> devastated. we're devastated. james, i love you. >> reporter: did driver of the limo shared the horrifying moments by phone with abc. >> i climbed around and heard tracy screaming for help. but i couldn't reach him and pull him. i don't know if we flipped several times, one time. >> reporter: state police say there's no indication of alcohol playing a role, though it seems lack of swleep did. 35-year-old kevin roper of jonesboro, georgia, driving the tractor trailer truck for walmart told police he had been awake a full 24 hours leading up to that crash. >> that really is breaking federal law. they must sleep and not work. so the suggestion that he may have been awake for 24 hours, a full day, is very, very troubling. >> reporter: the truck driver turned himself in saturday. he was released on $50,000 bail,

charged with vehicular homicide and assault by auto. he has yet to enter a plea. walmart released a statement which reads in part, the facts are continuing to unfold. if it's determined that our truck caused the accident, walmart will take full responsibility. meanwhile, morgan, a father of four, is dealing with a series of injuries, a broken nose, broken ribs, a broken leg and femur. he had surgery on his leg over the weekend. his publicist says he's still in critical condition but he's improving. his fiancee is at his side. best known for his roles on "saturday night live," and nbc's "30 rock" -- >> i google myself all the time. like when angie's not in the mood or i'm alone in the hotel. >> reporter: morgan is good at making people laugh. these photos posted just before the crash show morgan smiling wide before the crowd.

after his stand-up routine. never imagining he'd have so little to smile about soon after. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> big fan of his. we wish him the best. we'll right back with another live hour of "ac 360." stay with us. predibut, manufacturings a prettin the united states do. means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out.

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