tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 9, 2014 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
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good evening, welcome to this live edition of "ac360," and more on the story of the capital's deal to free bowe bergdahl, the killer's couple manifesto could start a revolution against the government, and what we're learning about the lives they took. and later, we'll talk about the guy who has been leaving cash all over california and parts of san francisco. we begin though with the breaking news on capitol hill. a short time ago house law members wrapped up a deal on the controversial shot witory of bo bergdahl. the lawmakers said they believe they made the right call, they said they protected bowe bergdahl's life. tonight he is still recovering at a u.s. hospital in germany. a senior u.s. official told cnn that bergdahl who was promoted
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to sergeant while in captivity, wanted to be recognized by his old unit. he has not talked to his parents. according to reports he is not emotionally ready. here is who his mother said two days after he was freed. >> i am so looking forward to seeing your face after these last five and a half years. long, long years. and to giving you a great big bear hug and holding you in my arms again, never wanting to let you go. five years is a seemingly long time, you've made it. >> the bergdahls have not spoken publicly since that conference. jim sciutto joins me from bergdahl's hometown, hailey, idaho. since then, jim, you have heard new details, what are you hearing? >> we're learning about traumatizing experiences, once
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that he attempted to escape more than once. and because of those escape attempts he was kept for a period of time in a box or cage without any sunlight. and that he was physically abused. during the vietnam war, vietnam veterans were often held with other soldiers. and he endured five years of this entirely by himself. so you could imagine the physical and the psychological issues. >> hearing reports, again, i think all the reports have to be taken with a grain of salt depending on who the sources are. but he may have attempted to get along with his captors. >> that is right, we're hearing from the taliban spokesperson that he played soccer at times with his captors, and other forms of communication. he was allowed to choose his menu on some occasions. now is that incriminating, necessarily? well, when you utilize this as a
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survival tactic, i have been told this before, i'm sure you have told this going into war zones by making yourself more human you make yourself less likely to be treated inhumanely and less likely to be killed. >> and how about in his hometown, hailey, idaho and threats he had been receiving? >> well, we're told about the threats by a family member. and as well as the threats to the bergdahls. a liaison says there is a great deal of concern for the family inhaly, idaho because of just how quickly what he thought would be a jubilant situation with bergdahl's release has turned so nasty and vile. many of the bergdahl family friends are concerned about their well being at this point.
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>> and are there any plans we know about for any type of reunion to take place? >> as far as we know, things could slow down. but they do believe that bowe bergdahl may have been making his way from germany to san antonio, texas by the end of last week. but clearly things have slowed down a bit as the medical staff that helps bowe bergdahl that helps him in germany. as far as we know it seems to be on track with the ceremony, when he goes to san antonio, texas. >> it will be a while before we really know what happened to sergeant bergdahl? >> and this is what military officials keep repeating to me and i'm sure to others is wait, we will do an investigation, we'll look into this as the pentagon charges that he deserted, possibly, possibly that he collaborated. they're going to look at it.
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at this point they say there is no hard evidence, but for bowe bergdahl to heal, and his family to heal. secretary hagel has made that assurance to his family as well in other communications. >> there is a rush to judgment, as well, we don't know all the facts, jim sciutto, thank you. we want to bring in two men, one, he is now an investigative reporter for reuters. and i appreciate you being with us. david, first of all i know that you talked to bergdahls -- what, recently? >> yes, this weekend. >> what did they say? >> i want to respect their privacy. but generally i would say they're heartbroken by the situation. >> and the response -- >> by the response, possibly in the search for bergdahl it is
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heartbreaking for them, as well, the families who lost soldiers. and these death threats are real. they're getting them. again, to say a christian family, i get twitter messages saying that bowe is a muslim, his father is a muslim because he grew the beard, that is just not true. >> he grew the beard in sympathy with his son? >> yes, he was trying to keep his son alive. there was a taliban spokesperson saying that bergdahl played soccer. you know i was held by a similar group, they did not let me outside. it seemed they helped carry out drone strikes. it just doesn't seem he would be out there playing soccer, it would attract the drone strikes that could kill me to eliminate this very valuable prisoner they this.
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so we just had to wait. >> we understand your re-integration with your family, what makes that initial communication with family so kind of fraught, so difficult? >> yeah, anderson, the term i use, it is almost like sensory overload, emotional shock. it was a lot to deal, with, just that change in the department. the family members which compromise the most important part of your life. you haven't seen somebody for five and a half years, since i was there, i had a little boy, ten, then he was 16. and someone i didn't recognize, all of those things together are
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the changes that -- the abrupt change is a lot to handle. and it is a lot to process. so for us the three of us that were hostages we all had fairly large families with children. for me it was a sensory overload. it was not negative in the sense that i didn't want to see them. but there is only so much i could take in the beginning. and it took a while to get back to it. and i think it is just part of that type of absence for that long of a time. >> and is part of that, keith, because you were totally controlled. you have no control. i assume what happens on any given day, what time you can seat and go to the bathroom, that type of thing? >> oh, absolutely, i can remember making some comments, about his condition, look at his eyes. well, we all looked like that. we're in a canopy jungle.
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and we were not eating like we should. we suffered a lot and the stress on top of that, really, the stress, we all kind of had that going on. as he was walking toward the helicopter it looked like he was just waiting for instructions to move. that is as a result of what you were into, we would be woken up at 5:15, given black coffee and sugar water. and you're told when to get up. you sit between the hammock, you're strung between two posts, they unchain you. at night by yourself you're not allowed to get up and go use the rest room, you have these containers which you have to ask the guard who is ten foot from you if you can use the rest room, he shines a light on you. there is no privacy. so everything is stripped away from you. all the basic human privileges rights are just stripped and you
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become accustomed to that. it takes some difficulty to change. >> what is your caution to people out there? i basically have been following this, and sort of at the end of the week i kind of realize we don't have all the information. we're not going to have all the information for a long time and it is unfair to judge this guy based on the information we do have at this point. >> i would not, because the taliban kidnapped me. of all the sources of information i wouldn't trust the taliban, any descriptions of how they treated him. we trusted the viet cong, just realize it has become a big political issue. >> thank you so much, give my best to your mom who was on the
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program last week, and she was lovely. quickly, set your dvres. coming up next, the killings in las vegas, a window into the world of people living with serious mental illness. a way to experience life or just actually get through actual moments, it is an experiment i took yesterday. >> i had to endure 45 minutes. >> come here to me.
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well, there is breaking news tonight in the shooting rampage of two police officers, two police officers shot dead by a husband and wife who had rantings and postings. ordinarily we would never say the names of mass shooters, rather than the victims. however, in this case it is important to focus on the perpetrators and who drove them the because they may be part of a larger pattern and police are still looking for information about them. with that in mind, breaking news's videotape of the ranch, and cliven bundy voicing his words. >> i feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and push us around. i really don't want violence for
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them, but if they're going to come and bring violence to us if that is the language to us, we'll learn it. >> cliven bundy's son said they were asked to leave the ranch because of their beliefs. kyung lah as more, and one neighbor's regret that she did not do more. >> i have five deaths on my shoulders. i should have called the cops. >> but kelly fielder did not. the couple had been living with her for the last two weeks, saying they were preparing for something against the government. >> it is 5:45 in the morning, and he said that the revolution had begun. he said i got to do what i got to do. >> they had i mean, a cart full of just ammunition, guns and everything. >> were they carrying them? can you describe -- >> they were carrying them
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because they say they were going underground. >> where the couple was going was here, cici's pizza, where the two officers were eating lunch. >> crawling, saying give me permission to do this or that. >> police say that jared miller, and his wife, amanda, didn't know the officers they targeted. they shot 31-year-old officer in the back, his partner was shot in the throat but still managed to fire back before they shot him again. the couple then pulled the officers' bodies out of the booth. >> where they placed a flag, which is a don't tread on me yellow flag on the body of officer beck. >> kelley fielder knows just what they're talking about. >> he has the no tread on me and
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the swastika pins. he said every po-po he cleans he is going to put a swastika on them. >> the couple put a swastika on their victims and pinned a note on the officer, saying this is the beginning of the revolution. >> two people walking in, they were shooting up at the ceiling, saying get out of the store, we want a war. >> customer joseph wilcox did not run, he was carrying a concealed weapon and confronted the gunman. but wilcox did not see the wife and police say she shot and killed him. the wife, wounded, shot her husband. then shot herself. >> he was pretty much always talking about how much you know, the government has changed the united states of america. >> many who lived in the same apartment complex heard the radical views shared openly. on social media, they talk about
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their love for each other and a picture from facebook shows the couple's affection for the joker from the batman series. kelley fielder says looking back she sees it is obvious. she wishes she had done something. >> i am so so sorry to everybody. i'm sorry. >> and kyung lah joins us from las vegas. and the fact the neighbor witnessed and heard so much. a lot of red flags, what are the las vegas police saying about it? >> reporter: well, what the las vegas police are saying, certainly they expressed frustration, and addressed it in the news conference here in las vegas. they say it is so so important that if you see something, wherever you live in this country you have to say something, that is actually a motto in this town, see something, say something, because anderson as we see so many times in the shooting it is often the people who are closest to the suspects, people who live
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next door see these flags. >> all right, kyung lah, thank you very much. and later, a civilian gave his life trying to protect others. tonight we remember those three lives and do our bests to honor them. >> we're a community in tears here, i will tell you these were wonderful officers. >> a community in tears over the death of two of their own, police officers who were just out to grab some lunch. officer alyn beck joined the police department in 2001. friends say he was a good person. >> alyn was a wonderful person, he was always about service, you think of some people who are good in eulogy only and alyn is the opposite of that. he was just good. >> officer beck was married and leaves behind three children.
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he was just 41 years old. alyn's partner, officer igor soldo joined the department in 2006, and briefly worked as a corrections officer before joining the force. described by family as a good father and great man soldo leaves behind a wife and a child. >> when he goes off to work, we have these sick, sick cowardly people out there that just decide to express themselves all the time with bullets. and we see it repeatedly across this country. >> joseph wilcox was shopping at walmart and had a concealed weapon. he tried to confront the gunman and was shot and killed. his friend was with him and believes he prevented him from targeting others. >> i wanted to tell him, don't do this. but i also felt that he would
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possibly be saving some lives. and it was -- it all happened so quick. i think before i could get any words out to him i started to hear gunshots. i just wanted him to get out. >> joseph wilcox was 31. up next, the story that was prompted by the shooter in seattle. and the story that was prompted by mental illness. he said he heard voices in his head. and the woman who has created a video to show more about the voices. >> what are you looking at, what? >> it is a recording you play for yourself for 45 minutes while you take tests. i did it yesterday, i have to tell you it was not easy walking around like that. as you will see coming up. ♪
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well, this next story was a very eye-opening experience for me, motivated by the shooting last week at seattle pacific university. unlike this latest one in las vegas, this seattle incident has a specific mental illness regarding it. court records show that the suspect was battling mental illness, a number of illnesses like schizophrenia can do this. the clinical psychologist, pat deegan was diagnosed with schizophrenia as a teen, has defined a way to show people
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what happens. there is the voices you will hear in the background of this next story. here is what i did, and a warning you will find some of the voices unsettling. i'm going to put the ear phones in, they're going to try to do a series of tests, now we hear the whispers and voices in my head. the first test is number puzzles. >> you suck and they know it. you have to get this right. >> okay. so i did this test for three minutes and i did not get a single one. it is very hard to -- hard to concentrate when it -- it is like music or something constantly. people talking to you is very difficult. so now i'm going to be asked a series of questions by our producer, and these are basically a series of questions that a person would be asked. and they would be admitted to a hospital. >> can you tell me a day it is? >> yeah, it is sunday, june i
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don't know, 7th. >> i'm going to say five numbers and i want you to repeat them back to me after i'm done. >> okay. >> 5, 27, 63, 67, two, 76. >> i'm going to say five words, you don't have to repeat them but just listen to them. >> chat, look, cigar, damage, and rain. can you name the last four presidents of the united states? >> barack obama, george bush, bill clinton, george bush. >> so those five words i said before, can you remember any of them? >> no. it is hard when -- because sometimes the voices are like whispering, and sometimes they're aggressive.
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and sometimes they're kind of comforting. again, with people kind of talking to you all the time. >> it is okay. >> it is hard. >> don't worry. don't worry. >> trying to work on this, following these instructions. >> it will be okay. shut up! >> i want to talk back to the voices now. but it is really distracting. do not touch that! you suck! what are you looking at? this is easy. you want to touch that? keep your hand down, keep your eyes down. just do it. filthy mind, leave it alone. >> it is also frustrating
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because they're telling me i can't do it. and -- i didn't do a very good job with it. it is hard to focus when people are whispering and talking to yo you. >> come here to me. come here. >> hey, do you have yesterday's paper? yesterday's "the new york times"? no? it is really incredibly distracting on the street to have somebody talking in your head and make you feel completely isolated from everyone else around you. you don't want to engage in conversation with other people. you kind of find yourself wanting to engage in conversation with the other people in your head.
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because they're really negative and everything they're saying relates to things you're actually doing. criticizing things you're doing. like you have a chorus watching you and commenting on what you're doing and you can't help but -- i mean, i literally find myself kind of wanting to respond to them, kind of tell them to be quiet. it is very, very unpleasant. a very unpleasant experience. it is eye-opening because it really kind of shows you what other people must be going through who deal with this on a regular basis. but also like i cannot wait to take these headphones off. because it is really depressing. very -- very negative. it makes you feel very, very negative. yeah. very creepy. i want it to stop. >> back up! stand up now! i'll cut you off! i'll cut 20, 30, 40 -- walk now!
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walk now! >> you're okay. on to pacify. >> it is a very disturbing experiment. the woman who created it, the phd, pat deegan, who herself suffers from schizophrenia and has been living with it her whole life and is living with it. i interviewed her about this experiment. and we'll have it on "ac360" pod cast, you can check it out there next. up next, the nbc commissioner adam silver talks about the nba scandal and the comments made to me about magic johnson. also the upcoming on tracy morgan who was seriously injured in a car crash over the weekend. a friend of his was killed. we'll also have the latest on the investigation. in the nation, it's not always pretty.
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apologizing, instead he attacked nba legend magic johnson, and accused the nba star of not doing enough to help african-american communities, which is not true. >> you and i ran into each other, you were seething about his comments regarding magic johnson and hiv. >> when i heard that interview, of course i had already made my decision. i will say it reinforced the decision. it reinforced my certainty that i had done the right thing, and you know i apologized that night for magic johnson, because i don't know if the public knows this, but it is not even clear how magic got stuck in this. even v. stiviano has a picture
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with magic johnson, but there are many people who have pictures with him. try go to a game, you add a few thousand. he is the most generous person with his time, the most forthcoming and cooperative, for anybody who wants to shake his hand or get an autograph or take a picture. so all she has was a picture with her and magic johnson, but somehow when donald went on cnn, he singled out magic johnson to attack in terms of his commitment or lack of to the community. and then i think on hiv and aids particularly, first of all to say he has aids, he doesn't have aids. he was hiv positive. i lived through that era early on in my days at the nba. when i first came to the nba back in the league, there was so much misinformation back in those days about the meaning of being hiv positive or aids. and to me, when donald was saying that it conjured all that back up, that notion, if you're
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hiv positive or have aids you're being punished. and i think we're past that as a society. so i think that was so unfair not just to imagine i object johnson but to a whole class of people who have now been freshly insulted. >> and rachel nicoles joins me now. so the board of governors has not approved the sale? >> no, no, one thing they're waiting for is donald sterling to withdraw his lawsuit against the nba. but donald's lawyers says he is going to do that. but others say he does things and then back tracks, so they're waiting to see what happens there. they could, if it goes off the rails, adam said if they had had that vote it would have been a unanimous decision with the owners. >> did he say anything about shelly possibly having a
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connection to the team? >> he said that other than been allowed to attend the clippers games she will have no link to the team. there are other sources who say she may be allowed to run a foundation that steve ballmer is going to start that would have a stake in the clippers. it is not clear if that would fall under the nba's definition of being connected to the team. but she will be allowed to go to the games but not have any say. >> it would seem she would want to be there and have a say. rachel, a lot more with adam silver and including his future plans for the nba. on her show, 10:30 eastern. and pamela brown has a "ac360" bullet bulletin. >> hi there, comedian tracy morgan is in critical but stable condition after being involved in a traffic accident on the new
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jersey turnpike. police charged a man who they say had been awake more than 24 hours before the collision. and the taliban has claimed responsibility for a crash, 29 people were killed including ten militants. and five relatives of those aboard missing malaysian flight 370 appeared on go-go.com where they are seeking compensation regarding what happened to the missing plane. and now, the texas republican party has endorsed this. and why it didn't work and the harm it caused him. and the philanthropist behind this hidden cash phenomenon. he is no longer anonymous, i'll talk to him coming up on "ac360." replace your laptop?
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associations. randi kaye has more. >> reporter: when ryan kendall was 13 his mother read his diary and discovered he was gay. that was the beginning of the most painful years of his life. >> for years i thought that god hated me because i was gay. >> reporter: ryan says his parents were determined to change him and signed him up for repairative therapy. otherwise known as narth, the e reparative therapy has been used to turn potentially gay children straight. >> every day i heard, this can be fixed. >> did you believe that? >> i never believed it. just like i know i'm short and hispanic, i knew that would never change. it is part of my core fundamental identity. so the parallel would be sending
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me to tall camp and say if you try really hard you can be 6'1". >> ryan was treated by a clinical psychologist who was associated with narth. >> this is something that your family doesn't want for you. >> at his office outside los angeles we asked him if he remembered treating ryan kendall about 14 years earlier. >> i'm not familiar with the name at all. >> his parents have provided bills from your office, there were checks written to your office? but no records? >> no. >> he says that your therapy was quite harmful. he said you told him to butch up, quote unquote. >> never, that is not our language. >> when somebody says people like yourself, others are trying to get the gay out of you. >> that is a terrible way of phrasing it. i would rather say we're trying to bring out the heterosexual
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out of you. >> reeker has worked as a doctoral student in the '70s. in a government-funded experimental program, later called sissy since syndrome, he treated a boy. to turn around kirk's behavior he was asked to choose between masculine toys like plastic knives and guns or feminine ones like dolls in a crib. if he chose the feminine ones, kirk's mother would ignore him. kirk's siblings say his outgoing period of time you changed as a result of the therapy. >> he had no idea how to relate to people. it was like somebody turned the lights off. >> george rekers says that
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homosexuality can be prevented. kirk's family says he was gay and no attempt would make him straight. he took his life at 38, he hung himself in a fan in a friend's apartment. our producer tracked george reker down. >> what would you say if the family said the treatment as a child led to the suicide as an adult? >> well, i think scientifically that would be inaccurate, to assume it was because of the therapy. but i do grieve for the parents. i think it is very sad. >> according to the psychological association, the risk is great, including self-destructive behavior. the theory says that it could reinforce the self hatred already felt by patients. dr. nicolosi says his therapy is
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not harmful and he only treats people who want to change. not true, says ryan kendall. >> it led me to periods of homelessness, to drug abuse, to spending a decade of my life wanting to kill myself. it led to so much pain and struggle and i want them to know that what they do hurts people. it hurts children. it has no basis in fact. and they need to stop. >> randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> quick programming note on this story. tomorrow night, another voice, i'll speak with a texas lawmaker who strongly supports the position on the reparative therapy. up next, the "ac360" exclusive, the man behind the hidden cash frenzy in california is no longer anonymous, spreading the hunt to other cities, new locations ahead. on my count.
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treasure hunt and everyone has a similar reaction. >> are you guys looking for the cash? >> reporter: this one caught on live television. >> oh, i got it -- we got some money. >> reporter: the anonymous real estate investor behind hidden cash told me he wanted to start a movement. the idea is simple. he hides cash-filled envelopes and then posts clues to their location on twitter amounting to a thousand dollars a day. >> there is absolutely no political or religious agenda. there is no business agenda. the whole agenda is random acts of kindness, pay it forward and put a smile on people's face. >> that was dan simon reporting. tonight, as i said the man is no longer anonymous, this is the first interview he has done out of the shadows, an should have, as they say, it is money. so jason, why do this? why give money away? >> well, i have done well and
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some of my friends involved with this have done very well, as well. we wanted to give back. and typically when people give back they do it through a charity. and this was not like a charity. this was like a fun way to give back to the community of san francisco. and we came up with different ideas and kind of eliminated most of them as being too complex. we were just like what if we just hide some cash in different places and then tweet babout it. and you know we did that. and for a few weeks, it just exploded from there. >> you were outed by "inside edition." to figure out who it was, they figu figured it was you after they did the voice analysis. has that changed what you did? i know you liked the mystery? >> it has made it difficult for me to do the drops personally. but thankfully we have other people involved and friends helping but it was kind of fun to be anonymous. and it is also the down side of
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people knowing my name is i'm getting personal requests to me like i'm some kind of zil zillionaire, and i'm not. >> how much have you given away? >> it is not really all that much in the big scheme of publicity. somewhere in the order of $15,000, definitely over $10,000, and under 15, we're planning to give away a lot more. >> do you like the idea of people and the excitement of the situation? >> some people are making it out it is about the money, and some are struggling financially and my heart goes out to them. but for most people out there it is kind of the thrill of the search. i think it is a few things we tapped into, anderson, one of them is the social media, internet, bringing people together in a real life way where it gets them out of their living room or away from their
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phone and out there doing things with their friends, kids, families. i think that is something very powerful about that. and i think that is what we tapped into. >> do you have a favorite story out of all the people who have found cash? >> my favorite story has to be the 14-year-old girl that actually was in burbank. and it was one of the bigger amounts that i put in an envelope. it was a little over $200. i don't remember the exact amount. but 200 and something dollars. and she was in tears of joy. and you can can see her on our twitter page which is at hidden cash. and she is sending this money to her sick grandmother in mexico. that was so moving. i know that even though this is not a charity, and a game, a way to give back it will have such an impact on people's lives. many of us may consider it a small amount. to this girl it meant the world. and she was so happy and grateful and it was so moving. we just want to encourage people
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to pay it forward. >> jason, you hope to expand it. how so? >> so i want to announce, anderson, on your show. this weekend we're expanding we'll be in las vegas, chicago, houston, new york city, do drops in new york city, one in manhattan. one in brooklyn, and mexico city. we actually have plans beyond this to do paris, london and madrid, all by the first week of july. >> well, jason good luck to you on the expansion. and i wish you the best. >> thank you, anderson. >> hey, that is it for us, thank you for joining us, cnn tonight starts now. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon, is there anybody out there who thinks that hillary clinton is not running for president? i don't think so, and if you need further convincing there she is in the interview with diane sawyer. she said she didn't have a good strategy back in 2008
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