>> impactful. >> you got that? >> he is a good plan and he raises a good issue there. >> skills. >> science. >> also the nickname -- >> a lot of news this morning. let's get you to someone who is a scientist of news. california chrome. >> awful segue, by the way. >> how did you know i was known as the scientist of news? you know every, chris cuomo. >> spot-on. >> thank you. >> good morning, carol. >> have a great day. >> professor could steal stello "newsroom" starts now. and good morning. i'm california chrome -- i'm carol costello. a so-called friendly fire mistake in the southern part of afghanistan. sources tell cnn five american forces died along with an afghan soldier when a coalition air strike mistakenly hit the ally troops. they were locked in a fight with

taliban forces, as the militant group sees a resurgence across the region. our national security analyst peter bergen is here and joins us by phone from washington, and in beirut, cnn nick paton walsh who has reported extensively from afghanistan. welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> first i want to start with you, nick paton walsh and talk about the resurgence of taliban in afghanistan. the reason this tragic event happened is because coalition forces it trying to drive away taliban forces. how strong are they in afghanistan today? >> reporter: well, certainly if you leave what people call kind of the city of kabul, the walled area where many people used to say the president of afghanistan was only president of that particular area, they're increasingly strong. they were on their back foot when the u.s. flooded in troops as part of their surge. now they're pulling them out. we just heard barack obama pulling them out extraordinary fast, almost down to zero in

2016. the taliban are gaining ground again. afghan forces simply aren't up to the job. they don't have the logistical backup or equipment to be able to fight the taliban who have been at this war, many of them, almost 30er yaos given they were fighting the soviets, too, when they invaded as well. an extraordinary motivated force, local support and many say they have been waiting for the u.s. to remove their footprint and move down. situations like this, friendly fire incident, if that's what occurred, can be extraordinarily difficult for troops on the ground, in these situations, we're hearing that they came under rocket fire at about 9:00, it was already dark. presumably called in trying to suppress the rocket fire. we don't know what happened here, but in the past, troops have sometimes mistakenly given their own position as an error. two people trying to provide support by rocket fire. we don't know if that happened here. many things put in place to prevent that from happening but the ins takes happen in the heat of the moment and, of course, another sign of how we still

have american troops on the ground fighting here. they were fighting alongside afghans, as they have been for month, almost years now, but another sign of how dangerous it is for american troops still on the ground there. 30,000 still actually in that country, carol. >> absolutely. peter, many americans are wondering if the taliban is even more energized because of the bergdahl swap. do you think that's true? >> well, you know me. i think nick's assessment is correct. this is not a huge force, by the way, and we're looking at 30,000 to 40,000 according to u.s. officials. taliban sort of foot soldiers. dmar to the size of the afghan national army and police, which is around 350,000. that's probably not a sustainable level, but the afghan national army actually performed better than expectations. i think a lot of people, nick outlined the problems they do have, but they are losing significant numbers of men indicating they are engaging in real combat.

and it hasn't been sort of the disaster that a lot of people progress no progress nos tasized. no offensive by the taliban when u.s. forces pull out in 2016, if that is indeed what happens. they certainly control -- before this incident happened, in the province, one of the most remote, rural provinces in the country, and that's the kind of area where these groups thrive, but they're not, you know -- we're not seeing them marching on kabul any time soon. >> we should mention the violence is escalating because there's an election saturday to elect a new president. we'll keep you posted. many thanks to both of you. more breaki ining news out iraq. chaos in the streets, controlling key parts of the northern city of mosul. the insurgents freed some 1,000

inmates from the central prison. authorities are having iraq's par innocent to declare a state of mmp and calling on them to fight the militants. cnn correspondent nic robertson is following that story for us. good morning, nic. >> good morning, carol. seems the islamic state of the of iraq and syria, an offshoot from al qaeda, have taken control of much of the west of the city, including the airport and hospitals. this is, of course, the second largest city in iraq. the main highway linking the capital in the south to turkey in the north runs right through the area of these militants, now believed to control. there are reports police fled their posts, that the army deserted their posts. this offensive began in earnest on friday. the fact is, they have held sway over the whole of the province pretty much, where most was located in the north of iraq, for many, many months now,

essentially bleeding oes ining influence from areas they now control inside syria. they also control parts of, and parts of cities in the west of iraq. so their influence has been gray. the indication is that this group, this splinter from al qaeda is going from strength to strength. and why the government, the prime minister malachy wanl lac calling to take them on, the government is losing ground to this al qaeda offshoot, carol. >> nic robertson reporting live for us this morning. thank you. happening now in the "newsroom" -- >> highway to vegas, baby. >> breaking this morning. brand new details about the las vegas cop killers. >> i feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to push us around. >> this -- is jerad and amanda miller. a self-branded revolution backed

by swastikas and hate. pictures from facebook shows the affection for the joker from the "batman" series. >> a scapegoat. startling new claims. >> i'm very concerned about how many people knew about this. >> reporter: the bergdahl exchange front and center this hour on capitol hill. >> can he feel his legs? >> startling video obtained by tmz. >> help him, god. >> tracy morgan pulled from the van the night he was critically injured. >> when you were in the spotlight as a would waman, you you're being judged constantly. >> the hillary clinton interview everyone's talking about. >> how is your health? >> it's very good, thank you. >> the run for the white house. >> when are you going to decide whether you're running for president? >> and benghazi. >> is there anything you personal lly should have been doing to make it safer in benghazi?

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happening right now, behind closed doors on capitol hill, pentagon officials are briefing the senate armed services committee on the bowe bergdahl swap. last night after members of the full house were briefed many eerpg inned even more angry over the white house's secret deal. >> we heard nothing except continued excuses about why they didn't come to congress. i didn't get any good answer as to why five taliban high-ranking taliban, were traded and why that was a good deal and so i think people probably are leaving even more disappointed then than they walked in. >> reporter: i expect you are?

>> i expected something, but i got nothing. >> americans at large have doubts. 56% of americans say the price was toos high, in a poll. veterans, 65% visdisapproved. and three in four americans say president obama should have notified congress before the decision was made. with me, democratic congressman adam schiff of california. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. how are you? >> did you get answers why the obama administration didn't consult with congress? >> we did get answers but i'm not sure they were completely satisfying. clearly, in my view, anyway, the president had the authority to do what he did as commander in chiefened you are article 2, but at the same time, the other branches, and clearly what congress wanted and intended, this administration should have advised the leadership in

congress. there was really no reason no the to. they have advised our leadership of our very sensitive matters before they took place. we understand the risks of disclosure. so that notification really should have been made. >> representative mckeon is reallyup set, he's accusing the administration are trying to pass the buck for this swap. apparently defense secretary chuck hague order -- chuck hagel ordered the swap. is the administration trying to pass the buck for this? >> i don't think that's the case. i'm not sure that we have the full story on that. you know, what i would expect is, that the president ultimately made the decision to go forward with the frayed, but that it may have fallen to the secretary of defense to make sure that all the logistics were in place his troops could be safe in making the exchange, that when it became operational, it was his call to make that the

logistics were correct in that it could take place, but i have to think the president made the decision to make the trade and that it was more likely that the secretary only made the decision and put it into implementation. >> it's curious we didn't know of chuck hagel's intimate involvement before this hearing? >> you know, i'm really not sure how much to read into that answer that we got yesterday. again, it may have been more the logistical decision of when to pull the trigger was made by the secretary, but i have to think that the president would have approved this deal. so i'm not sure that anything that we heard yesterday necessarily contradicts that. >> and we'll probably learn more tomorrow when chuck hagel appears before lawmakers to answer some questions. another note. republican representative peter king is also upset saying, a e probably the most distressing thing or disturbing thing i heard at least 80 to 90 people in the administration were aware of this proposed deal, yet they couldn't notify anyone in congress."

does that disturb you? >> you know it does. i think, again, i think it was a mistake of the administration not to have notified congress. the leaks traditionally have not come from the congress. the leaks have come from the administration itself, and the fact that the administration often leaks information is not a reason not to share that with congress. i can fully appreciate the sensitivity of the matter and not wanting the deal to fall apart, or concerns over mr. bergdahl's safety and security, but i don't think that was the justification for not informing certainly the leadership of congress, even if they didn't fully inform all of congress. >> congressman adam schiff of california, thanks for being with me this morning. >> you bet. thank you. they've plotted, planned, even talked openly about carrying out an attack. now friends and neighbors of the two las vegas cop killers say they regret in the saying something sooner. jerad miller and his wife amanda

made their disdain for the government known on rants on social media and facebook. no one took them seriously enough to warn police. a friend they'd been living with just before the deadly rampage says she's forever live with that regret. >> i got five deaths on my shoulders. i should have called the cops. i mean, a cart full of just ammunition, ammunition, gun, everything. >> were they carrying them? can you describe what they were doing? >> carrying them, because they said they were going underground and i'm so, so, so sorry to everybody that -- i'm sorry. >> a neighbor says they warned her, too, about an attack. she tells a cnn affiliate jerad often dressed as slender man. dan simon is live in las vegas

with more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. as you said these people were very overt in expressing their radical beliefs to their neighbors and on their facebook pages but apparently no one thought they would carry out this deadly rampage. >> highway to vegas, baby. >> reporter: they moved here about six months ago from indiana. documenting their journey from the road. >> approaching indianapolis, and it will be our last time going through this awful city. >> reporter: the couple made lots of videos. a window, perhaps, into their twisted world. >> i love you so much, baby. >> reporter: 31-year-old jerad miller declaring his love for his 22-year-old wife before he was to head to jail. he had a lengthy rap sheet that included a felony for stealing cars. >> like, i'm going to brag about you in jail and -- tell you about how awesome you are. >> reporter: nevada would certainly not be a fresh start. they were attracted to the

anti-government, anti-law enforcement rhetoric of rancher cliven bundy. jerad miller appearing on a local news cast. >> i feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and push us around or anything like that. i really don't want violence towards them, but if they're going to come, bring violence to us, well, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it. >> reporter: apparently the millers were too radical for the group, which included state militia. ostracized, told to go home according to bundy's son. the message was not well-received. jerad miller writing, we sold everything we had to buy supplies and quit our jobs to be there 24/7. hour dare you ask for help and shun us. whether this sparked deep anger an fueled him to kill police officers isn't known. authorities are investigating all of his past.

a past amanda's father is all too familiar with. in an interview he says, "i begged her not to marry him. i begged her not to move to las veg vegas. he was into patriot nation and conspiracy theory stuff and the whole world was just against him, and he was just -- he was just nuts." here at this las vegas restaurant they carried 0 ut what they called the beginning of the revolution, killing two officers too did not see it coming. >> the suspects pulled the officers out of the booth and on to the ground, where they placed a gasdan flag, don't tread on me and threw a swastika on top of his body. we don't necessarily believe they are white supremacist or associated with the nazi movement. we believe they equate government and law enforcement fascism and those who support it with nazis. >> and we're learning more about that victim who was killed at the walmart. joseph wilcox was carrying a

concealed weapon. he tried to intervene, but what he doesn't realize is in a mill hear a wife. she seize what he's doing and she shoots him before he can take any action. carol? >> dan simon, reporting live this morning. right now, protesters are facing off against general motors at the company's annual shareholder meeting in detroit. moments ago ceo mary barra responded to criticism the company mishandzeled a recall over a faulty ignition switch linking to at least 13 deaths. >> it's not about putting it behind us. it's about using the learnings and the feelings that we had to make sure that we improved the whole development process and the culture which we're continuing to work on to make sure that we have award-winning products focused on the customer across the globe. >> last week gm dismissed 15 employees after an internal probe called the delay part of a pattern of incompetence and neglect. the automaker admits he knew

about the problem as early as 2004 but did not issue a recall until earlier this year. still to come in the "newsroom," hillary clinton continues her marathon media tour as her new memoir finally let's to the book stores. brianna keilar is covering it from washington. hi. >> reporter: hi there, carol. hillary clinton giving her first major interviews of her book rollout, and it seemed less an groundbreaking revelations than about really making a connection with who? i'll tell you, coming up. >> interesting. look at these live pictures. these are pictures from a barnes & noble in manhattan. you see all of those people waiting in line? el were, hillary clinton is about to have a book signing here. they want her book, and in fact some of these people actually lines up yesterday to be first in line. tell you more, after a break. [announcer] play close-good and close. help keep teeth clean and breath fresh with beneful healthy smile snacks. with soft meaty centers and teeth cleaning texture,it's dental that tastes so good.

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crafted media appearances and strategically placed experts, hillary clinton's memoir finally hits book stores today, but not before an interview with abc's diane sawyer. while clinton didn't clues about potential president's run she opened up about what will likely be a focus point for her rivals on both sides. the benghazi consul attack. >> is there anything you personally should have been doing to make it safer in benghazi? >> well, what i did was give very direct instructions that the people who have the expertise and experience in security -- >> a personal -- >> that is personal, diane. i mean, i am not -- i'm not

equipped to sit and look at blueprints, to determine where the blast walls need to be or reinforcements needs to be. that's why we hire people who have that expertise. >> and it is benghazi and clinton's tenure in the state department they're seizing on in a 47-page response called "bad choices" the republican national committee slams clinton for a failed legacy and lack of accomplishments. senior political correspondent brianna keilar is here to talk more about this. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, carol. in these interviews hillary clinton is giving as her book rolls out, seems less about groundbreaking revolutionrevolu revelations and making connections with women, when it comes to votes in a possible 2016 presidential election. the other thing we notice, this morning on "good morning america," hillary clinton doing a little bit of cleanup after a misstep in her interview last night with diane sawyer. hillary clinton in an interview

with abc news found herself in the awkward position of defending her wealth. >> we came out of the white house not only dead broke but in debt. we had no money when we got there and struggled to piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for chelsea's education. >> reporter: houses, plural. clinton's opponents jumped on that, shamelessly out of touch, rnc declared. the rising super hillary pac tweeted pictures of the two multimillion dollar homes and hamptons vacation rental. that mistake aside, her interview of a book showed a more personal side, even as she spoke about monica lewinsky who resurfaced last night writing an essay for "vanity fair." >> is there anything you would say to her, about her life? >> i would wish her well and hope she is able to think about her future and construct a life that she finds meaning and

satisfaction in. >> reporter: she talk and moving beyond the toughest time in her life. >> somebody says -- said forgiveness is releasing a prisoner and discovering the prisoner is herself? >> i am 100% in the camp that says, forgiveness is mostly about the forgiver. i know too many people having now lived as long as i have, who can never get over it. >> reporter: the softer side of hillary clinton. one we haven't seen since the 2008 campaign. >> this is very personal for me. it's not just political. it's not just public. >> reporter: that appeal, though convincing, came too late. not this time. >> when you're in the spotlight as a woman, you know you're being judged constantly. i mean it is just never ending, and you get a little -- worried about, okay. well, you know, people over on this side are loving what i'm

wearing looking like -- people on this side aren't. your natural tendency is how do you bring people together to better communicate. i'm done with that. i'm just done. >> reporter: brianna keilar, cnn, washington. and, carol, that comment that she made at the top of the piece there, where she said, dead broke, that they were dead broke and actually in debt coming out of the white house. hillary clinton did not repeat that this morning when she gave her interview on "good morning america." instead emphasizing working hard. it's important she said working hard many times. it's important to note that coming out of the white house actually the clintons were i think reportedly $5 million in debt. but according to looking at her congressional financial disclosures, they did come out of debt in 2004 and have gone on to make millions upon millions of dollars, carol. >> yeah. i think they're doing just fine now. >> yeah. >> you know, some people struggle and then other people "struggle." come on. >> exactly. >> brianna keilar, thanks so

much. >> thanks, carol. still to come in the "newsroom," donald sterling's fight is on again, and the clippers sale is off again. cnn's jean casarez has the latest turn of events. good morning, jean. >> reporter: carol, it just came out. a statement, donald sterling in lieu of his attorney saying the team is not for sale. so what does this mean? donald sterling is saying to the nba, we'll see you in court. we'll have it, next. life with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis

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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. commissioner donald sterling warned us. in an interview aired yesterday, silver said sterling has unsold the l.a. clippers several times over the years. well, he's done it again. cnn's jean casarez joins us with the latest moves from the owner. i can't believe this, jean. >> reporter: well, from the onset i did not want to sell the clippers, what donald sterling says in a one-page statement released on monday. sterling, suddenly pulling out of a $2 billion agreement to sell the clippers, and now pursuing a lawsuit against the nba. the deal is off.

says an attorney for clippers owner donald sterling. sterling suddenly withdrawing support for the team's $2 billion sale to former microsoft ceo steve ballmer. the co-owner issued a one-page statement monday titled "the team is not for sale." writing, i have decided that i must fight to protect my rights. while my position may not be popular, i believe that my rights to privacy and the preservation should not be trampled. i intend to fight to keep the team." now pursuing a lawsuit against the nba alleging the league violated his constitutional rights and relied upon information from an illegal recording. >> -- if you wanted to broadcast that you're associating with black people. >> reporter: the sale agreed two weeks after the owner's racist remarks were posted by tmz was negotiated by his estranged wife

and team co-owner shelly sterling and in the beginning mr. sterling was seemingly onboard. >> sometimes it's better than fighting, settling, and maybe i have to settle for whatever they want to do. >> reporter: just last week the clippers owner felt very good about the sale. >> i feel fably. i'm okay. i'm okay. is the nba okay? i'm not sure about them. is adam silver okay? i'm sure he's okay. >> reporter: in a recent exclusive interview with cnn's rachel nichols, adam silver who moved quickly to oust the owner. >> i am banning mr. sterling for life. >> reporter: questioned sterling's commitment to sell. >> there's well-known incidents in the league when he was right there at a closing and at the last minute decided not to sell and until he signs that document, we still have a pending litigation with him. >> reporter: and sterling directly mentioned silver in his statement writing, "i believe that adam silver acted in haste by illegally ordering the forced

sale of the clippers, banning me for life from the nba, and imposing the fine." adam silver's conduct in doing so without conducting any real investigation was wrong. the action taken by adam silver and the nba constitutes a violation of my rights and flies in the face of the freedoms that are afforded to americans." you know, carol, i have to say, i think this is fascinating from a legal standpoint it's fascinating, because will a court continue to hear this? there may about subsequent probate action, in regard to the trust that he had with his wife, and it just changes day by day. >> so where's his wife in all of this? i thought she was negotiating with, you know -- with -- >> for the sale. >> right. what happened to that. >> well, the "new york times" is reporting today that in regard to the family trust, that there was a clause that said that if either partner were cognitively impaired and determined to be

so, that then the other spouse would have the duty to be the souse to be the controlling one for any action that had to be taken in regard to the trust and the team. well, adam silver said that sterling was determined to be cognitively impaired, and that was why shelly took over. well, that's very subjective, because neurologists that may determine he's cognitively impaired, other neurologists may say he is not and that could lead to a probate action. >> i meant to say steve baller. just an interesting twist and we'll be busy with this one a long time. jean casarez, thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom," the las vegas cop killers sut out to start a revolution and made their anti-government and extremist views known. could bhmore have been done to stop their deadly rampage? we'll talk about that, next. a yummy reward is important after a good workout

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jerad miller called himself a patriot. in his mind it was twisted. he and his wife amanda gunned down a shopper in walmart because he wanted to start a revolution. he wrote, we can hope for peace but must prepare for war. we face an enemy well-funded and believe they fight for freedom and justice. those of us who know the truth and dare speak it know that the enemy we face are indeed our brothers, even though they share the same masters as we all do. think fail to recognize the chains that bind them." authorities say miller was attracted to small government demonstrations, like the armed confrontation at cliven bundy's nevada ranch. what he told an nbc affiliate back in april. >> i feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to push us around or

anything like that. i really don't want violence towards them, but if they're going to come, bring violence to us, well, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it. >> so let's talk about this. david glutty, a former undercover operative and author of eundercover nazi." welcome, sir. >> how are you this morning? >> good. glad you're here. i'd like to play a clip from a former skinhead on who he thinks is responsible for what happened on sunday in las vegas. let's listen together. >> -- bundy is responsible for this as we all are responsible for this. we're all responsible for this huge, magnificent echo chamber we exist in with media and information being so ubiquitous nowadays. whatever we put out into that is going to reflect in one way or another. now, if cliven bndy or -- bundy or anyone else, like was pointed out, obama coming to take your

gurn, the government's coming to get you, that contributes to the environment that jerad and amanda miller came from. >> so, is he right? >> i would agree with him somewhat. i would take it a step further and say, yes, it is all of our faults. it is our fault. these groups, the non-criminal aspects need to police themselves, and that's the only way this is going to get stopped, because those, some of the people in those groups know that this was going to happen. they know they could have turned these people in and did not. so it goes to these groups themselves, and i challenge the non-criminal groups here to step up and help out. you're not a rat when you save lives. step up and help. stop these acts from happening, because this diminishing al of our rights. >> in fairness, other militia groups demonstrating at cliven bundy's ranch threw this guy out saying he was nuts. >> well, i believe, from what i saw about the guy, he is crazy, or was crazy. these are signs that were out there before. we can all second guess and go back and say this and that,

because the records are there, but like i said before, it's up to all of us and this skinhead talking before, yes, when the media does report these things over and over, but that's their job, it does send out a trumpet for the call to arms, and there is a revolution going on, in these people's minds. they feel a new revolution war started and they are the new revolutionary soldiers and it's up to them to go out and make these things happen because they feel they're backs are against the wall, and the america that they grew up in is dead and never coming back. that is their beliefs. >> what in our culture is enplames these people in your mind? >> well, in this hyper-sensitive mode of overmedia stimulation, and the social networks, and everything out there that makes it so available for people's views to get out there, these people, like i said, they feel they're backs are against the wall, that they feel like racism is being ramped up by the government in control now.

they call it the zionist government and feel, like i said, they're backs are against the wall and there's nothing they can do. they grab their rifle, handguns, go out and look for targets. if this case, two unfortunate police officers having lunch and another civilian at a walmart and they just go out and these were easy targets, even though the officers were armed, it was an easy target, since they were at lunch and at-ease. this is senseless. it could be stopped but we're not doing the right steps to get it accomplished, to stop this. >> so in a free country, when you can say anything you want, right? and you can. what steps should we take to stop this? >> well, first off, over the years, not just under obama's watch, but under george bush's wash also, we had -- we lost resources on the ground. professionals like myself. we had so many in the past, but those numbers have diminished. the resources on the ground, the boots on the ground, are not there like they used to be. so things slipped through the cracks.

persons like myself, we're the first line of defense. when i gravitate towards the criminal aspects as an undercover operative and get close to these people, many times we stopped criminal agents from happening. now that's diminished. i challenge the obama administration, i hate to say this word, but to create a czar for extremist groups to go out there, need to talk with these groups. there are so many non-criminals. it's not against the law to be racist. it is against the law in the united states of america to go out and inflict harm upon innocent civilians and others. i would say we need to go out in respect i've seen it. i was in the belly of the beast. i lived with these people and know how they think. we need to go out and talk to them, because they're the ones that are going to turn in these people that are going out there committing criminal acts. that's the only way. >> apartment just a final question. you think this is such a serious problem there needs to be some kind of czar created by the government to deal with them? >> from what i've saw and what i know, i hate to scare the public, now is the time for

truth and facts. the numbers are growing. these extremist groups are expanding right now, for whatever reason. you can say it's because of this. you can say it's because of that. forget that. go with the facts. they're expanding, and this violence is expanding, and it's going to get worse. there's a trumpet that's been tooted, and the call to arms has been heard, and the triggering mechanism is there. we can see it. it's going to start, more and more of these people are going to go out, pick up their gun, handguns, rifles, go out and inflict call when they get the phone call that tells them now is the time to act. i say yes, we do need a czar for extremist groups because they need to go out there and be boots on the ground and talk to these group leaders. i'm volunteering myself. i'm the perfect guy, because i know. it's a dangerous situation. i've been there. but now's the time to talk to these groups, their rights are being diminished, our rights are being diminished every time these criminal acts happen.

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brewing in detroit where families of victims killed or hurt in car crashes related to gm's deadly ignition switch problem are protesting. today marks the company's annual shareholder meeting on the heels of an internal investigation. moments ago, gm's ceo mary barra responded to reporters' questions. one of them, poppy harlow, who asked her why those who died in the back seat of a car that crashed because of that ignition switch flaw are not counted on the list of 13 deaths linked to that defect. >> i think the important thing to focus on is general motors announced we're going to do a compensation program. ken feinberg who is known across the globe as being an expert in this area, he is working on finalizing the protocol. our goal is to make sure everyone who was impacted by the

ignition switch issue is properly compensated relating to those who lost loved ones or had physical injury. >> let's bring in poppy harlow. not exactly an answer to your question. >> reporter: i asked last week and i asked again and we're going to keep asking because it's an important question, carol. a lot of families feel like their loved ones are not counted on gm's tally at this point of those who died because of this deadly ignition switch. that may change. you heard that from her because they have an outside attorney handling victim compensation. if he determines more deaths were caused, that number may change. it is 13 from general motors. right now inside company headquarters, the ceo mary barra is addressing shareholders. this company has made a lot of money since exiting bankruptcy. the recall cost them $1.7 billion. it's more to cost them more in litigation with these families. i do want to play you some sound

from families that are here. they are protesting in front of the building on the other side from where we are who they lost loved ones in car crashes that they blame on this ignition switch defect. they talked about why it's important to be in detroit today. >> we want to make sure that, okay, here's the face of the victims. people died because of their inaction. we got to make sure that that doesn't happen again. >> i think it's important for the shareholders to put a human face to what has happened here because they're going to be in there talking about dollars and cents. this isn't about money. we lost children. >> reporter: they are having a very hard time stomaching what they have read in this 315-page internal report that came out at the end of last week. as damning as it was for general motors, they still have questions. i want to read you an excerpt from that report talking about the culture at this company that

allowed for this defect to not to be told to the public for more than a decade. "nobody took responsibility. an example of what one top executive described as the gm nod when everyone nods in agreement to a proposal plan of action but then leaves the room and does nothing." that's what was going on at this company for more than a decade and that led to at least 13 deaths. >> all right. we'll check back with you. poppy harlow reporting live from detroit this morning. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" after a break.

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>> the bergdahl exchange front and center this hour on capitol hill. startling video obtained by tmz. tracy morgan being pulled from the van the night he was critically injured. >> when you were in the spotlight as a woman, you know you're being judged constantly. >> the hillary clinton interview everyone is talking about. >> how is your health? >> it's very good. thank you. >> the run for the white house. >> when are you going to decide whether you're running for president. >> and benghazi. >> anything you personally should have been doing to make it safer. >> let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom." >> good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. we begin with breaking news out of afghanistan and the deadliest day to u.s. troops there in six

months. five american troops died along with an afghan soldier when a coalition air strike mistakenly hit the allied troops. authorities now suspect friendly fire killed these people. barbara starr is at the pentagon to tell us more. good morning, barbara. >> reporter: good morning, carol. this took place in southern afghanistan. by all accounts the u.s. troops were on a security mission along with the afghans in advance of saturday's elections in that country. they came into contact with the enemy. they called in for air support and somehow -- it is all under investigation -- apparently a coalition aircraft believed to be a u.s. b-1 bomber when it launched its air strike, it hit the friendly troops on the ground. that is what we know at this hour. the investigation is under way as to what happened and the total scope of this incident. we're told five u.s. troops and of course their families now being notified. carol? >> barbara starr reporting live

from the pentagon this morning. also happening now, behind closed doors on capitol hill, pentagon officials are briefing the senate armed services committee on the bowe bergdahl swap. the case has stirred outrage among lawmakers in both parties. last night members of the house of representatives were briefed and many left even more angry over the white house's secret deal. >> i think people probably are leaving there even more disappointed than they walked in. >> sounds like you are? >> yeah. i expected something but i got nothing. >> i think it's safe to say on both the republican and democrat side people were extremely disappointed. they were underwhelmed. >> if anything, i am more concerned. probably the most distressing thing and disturbing thing i heard was at least 80 to 90 people in the administration were aware of this proposed deal and yet they couldn't notify anybody in congress. >> our chief congressional correspondent dana bash is on capitol hill to cover this closed door meeting.

seems to be getting worse. >> reporter: it does. and i can tell you that as we speak, the entire house republican caucus is meeting as they do regularly and the reports are when mentioning of this briefing you showed last night happened, there were boos in the caucus. perhaps that's not surprising given how quickly partisan much of this has become. what isn't partisan and what's bipartisan is the concept of notification that it the white house didn't from the perce perspective of many lawmakers in both parties properly notify members of congress. want you to listen to democrat adam schiff on erin burnett last night. >> i don't think we have him. >> pardon me. i'll just briefly paraphrase what he said, carol. he said it doesn't sit well with him as peter king said that 80 to 90 members of the

administration broadly knew about it and congress wasn't properly briefed. he made another important point. that is the reason lawmakers were given they didn't know is because the administration simply said they can't trust congress because leaks would happen. he said you know what? much of the leaks, perhaps many of the leaks, on the national security level in recent years has not come from congress but rather from the administration itself. >> let me run this buy yy you t. there is talk that chuck hagel is being made a scapegoat in this. >> i just heard the last question was who made this decision? they indicated secretary hagel. i asked, i said, now wait a minute. are you saying secretary hagel made this decision or was this the president of the united states? it was the president of the united states that came out with bergdahls and took credit and now there's been pushback.

he's moving away from it. secretary hagel. i don't think so. i think this is the president's decision. >> so what do you think? i actually asked congressman schiff about this very thing. he said of course the defense secretary would factor into this decision but that doesn't mean he made the final decision. so what are you hearing? >> reporter: well what armed services chair in the house said later on cnn last night and this morning again that he's worried that chuck hagel is becoming a scapegoat that the president since this has become so controversial is trying to back out of taking credit or responsibility from this. i will tell you that another lawmaker in this closed door briefing last night told me that the impression that he got and this is a republican i talked to, was that chuck hagel decided was in his final decision was that the five gitmo detainees who were released were not an imminent threat to the united states. that was his decision and then

the broader mission was of course the commander in chief's decision. it certainly is interesting and i should say chuck hagel will be on capitol hill in a public session tomorrow and the armed services chair is the one holding the hearing. it will be very interesting to hear what chuck hagel said for himself. >> dana bash, thanks so much. also this morning, senators on capitol hill are calling for a criminal investigation by the fbi after an internal audit revealed more than 120,000 veterans are either waiting for or never received care from the va. the va acting inspector general says his office is looking into scheduling problems at 69 va facilities now. all of this happening as lawmakers prepare to bring a bill to the house floor that would allow veterans on waiting lists to get treatment outside of the va system. let's bring in cnn senior washington correspondent joe johns to tell us more. good morning, joe. >> reporter: the veterans access to care act, which is coming up on the house floor this morning,

would require the va to offer non-va care at the department's expense to any enrolled veteran that can't get an appointment without va wait time goals or lives more than 40 miles from a va medical facility. the bill would ban bonuses for va employees and require an independent assessment of veterans health administration performance. this is all an indication of the pressure that continues to build on the hill on this issue. listen. >> going to get to the bottom of this. we want those that are responsible for phoenix and other facilities to be held accountable and that means criminal prosecution, we're definitely going to move with criminal prosecution. >> reporter: so these findings from this report that came out say that 731 medical facilities were reviewed. found more than 57,000 veterans waiting to be scheduled for care on top of that almost 64,000 veterans have been enrolled over the last ten years.

haven't got in for an appointment. review found the va's 14-day goal for scheduling initial appointments was simply not attainable, carol. >> joe johns reporting live from washington for us. thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," police say the trucker charged in the tracy morgan crash was awake for more than 24 hours before he got behind the wheel. we'll talk about that next. woman: this is not exactly what i expected.

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drunk if you have that in your blood. nischelle turner joins us with the latest on tracy morgan's condition and new details. >> i just read a 2012 piece that our mary skiavo wrote yet and how it equates to poor reaction times and things like that. now we're seeing video from the crash that injured tracy morgan coming out now. cell phone video age. you know it was a matter of time before we saw this video from the crash scene. this depicts the horror and chaos of the night. starting video obtained by tmz shows actor tracy morgan being pulled from the mercedes limo van the night he was critically injured. a publicist for the former "30 rock" star says morgan, a father of four, is in critical but stable condition dispelling amputation rumors following surgery on a broken leg saying

those rumors are "completely fabricated." and now new details from a criminal complaint say the driver of the truck that hit morgan and others hadn't slept for a period in excess of 24 hours. possibly the cause of the crash. >> there are very strict federal laws that dictate what drivers can do and what they can't do and they just went into effect. you don't drive for more than eight hours in a row, you got to take a 30-minute break and in a 14-hour day of working, you can't be behind the wheel for more than 11 hours. >> reporter: 35-year-old kevin roper is charged with vehicular homicide for operating a vehicle recklessly and charged with assault by auto on those injured in the accident including morgan. the limo driver described the chaos after the crash by phone to abc. >> i climbed around and heard tracy screaming for help, but i couldn't reach him and pum hll .

>> reporter: the van was overturned and crushed by the impact from the crush. morgan's friend, james mcnair, was killed in the wreck. >> live from new york it's saturday night! >> reporter: morgan shot to fame as a longtime cast member on "snl." seth myers spoke to jake tapper about his friend. >> we are sending our thoughts and prayers. everyone on the staff. tracy was a vet at "snl" when i started. i'm thinking of him now. >> kevin roper turned himself into police on saturday. he was released on $50,000 bail. he'll be in court on wednesday to answer the charges and be arraigned and with what he's being charged with, which is one count of vehicular homicide and four counts of injury by auto, if convicted, carol, he could face up to 13 years in jail. >> nischelle turner reporting live for us this morning. while we don't yet know all of

the details of this crash, there's no denying that truck driver fatigue is one of the biggest threats on the road today. according to national highway traffic safety administration, fatigue is a leading factor in large truck crashes. there were 317,000 large truck crashes in the united states. 3,464 were fatal. good morning, bill. just talk to me from a truck driver's perspective. why is fatigue such a big problem on our roadways? what's the biggest factor at play here? >> i don't know that we would probably agree that its as big a factor as it's being characterized at this moment. we think probably fatigue plays a role in about 10% of all fatal accidents. we think speed, inattentive driving, a number of other

factors, lack of enforcement of laws on our nation's highways, is a much larger contributing factor. i would also point out, carol, in the statistical data where there were less than 4,000 fatal accidents involving commercial vehicles, the data shows somewhere in the neighborhood of 66% to 75% of those were not the fault of the commercial vehicle driver. unfortunately and we have to admit as a nation, we had 33,000 almost 34,000 fatal accidents in 2012. our universe is a big part of it. there is a whole lot of inappropriate behavior going on on the nation's highways above and beyond commercial mostly cloudy motor vehicles. >> they would say that fatigue is a problem among all drivers. if you drive eight hours in a row without taking a break, to me that's a lot of driving for one day. who can possibly do that day after day after day and not suffer from fatigue?

>> actually, millions of drivers do it on a regular basis. there are 3 million, 4 million commercial vehicle drivers driving each and every day on the nation's highways. it's essentially how we move the commerce of this country. for the most part, the safety record is quite good. this is obviously one of those really horrific examples of someone who made some really poor decisions and shouldn't have been behind the wheel at the time of this accident. >> do you think there's any pressure from employers for drivers to get there quicker and faster and they drive longer than they should? >> well, this goes to the heart of the current debate we're having over hours of service here in washington d.c. we actually think the current rule encourages or forces drivers to be out on the road when they otherwise would rather not be. this gets very complicated into what's called a restart provision but essentially we

think drivers ought to have the flexibility to rest and get off the road whenever they would like to and because of the quirk in the way the current legislation is written a driver gets penalized in effect if he doesn't keep driving because he can only take that rest period once every 168 hours of both duty and rest cycle. if he gets down in the weeds. we've been arguing we ought to rollback to a previous set of rules still require 34 hours of rest at the end of a duty cycle, still gives everybody an opportunity to get off the road but isn't as prescriptive is the government is currently requiring. >> with publicisty surrounding this accident, i'm not sure it will be successful but we'll see. thank you so much for your insight. i do appreciate it. i have to head to washington now as i told you house speaker john boehner is taking questions from

reporters. we expect those reporters to be asking about to not leak things just not true. and it wasn't just me. there were other members of the leadership who were well aware of the planning and the activities that were going in to this effort. >> you were briefed on the possibility of this swap and the administration did talk about a five for one swap. >> that's not true. i was never briefed about a five to one swap. nor were there any names. there was a discussion several

years ago about efforts to get bergdahl back. we're glad that he's back. i was never briefed on any specific negotiation. and again, this goes back years ago. >> we heard that congress was not kept in the loop. what have you said to the white house? what have you said to the defense department saying, look, we have a role in this as congress and we need to be told. >> we're glad that bergdahl is back but the biggest issue here is the violation of a policy that the united states has had for many, many years that we don't negotiate with terrorists. the fact is that we have violated that policy and as a result we've made americans less

safe here and all around the world. and we're going to pay for this. there is not any doubt in my mind there are going to be cost of lives -- lost lives that come out of this. >> let's step away from this and bring in our congressional correspondent dana bash. i'm just wondering, bipartisan outrage at president obama for not conferring with congress before that swap was made but the question is where does it all go from here? >> reporter: that is a good question and, you know, probably not very far except to have this open discussion about why there isn't the trust that the administration should have in congress as an equal branch of government to have this information, to know about this information. you know, the administration

argues as they did again last night that they were worried about leaks and they thought that sergeant bergdahl's life was in danger and that's why they didn't do it. i just want to underscore what we heard from john boehner. we've had some written statements from the house speaker but this is the first time we heard him speak publicly. house was in recess last week. the fact that he revealed for the first time that he knew six months before the bin laden raid that it was a possibly and he was briefed multiple times and even in his words got a heads-up several days before is sort of indicative of the fact that they do trust in some respects. he is the highest ranking republican and the way it's supposed to work is leadership, he's among the leaders, and the top intelligence committee chair and ranking are supposed to know these things at the very least. deirdre walsh who was pressing him on the obvious and important

question which is administration argues that congress did know that the possibility of this bergdahl swap was in the works for some time. his answer was interesting. he says he didn't know that there was a 5-1 swap. he was never told that. so that is some new information that we got from the house speaker. i will just say that, you know, there is a difference certainly the amount of classified information could be similar but there is a difference in telling congress you'll go get the most wanted man on the planet, which is not controversial, and telling them that you're going to swap five gitmo detainees for one u.s. soldier, which is controversial. so there are different reasons, i'm sure inside the administration, for telling congress about bin laden and not so much about a controversial swap. >> like you said, chuck hagel will be on the hot speeat tomorrow. should be a very interesting day. dana bash, many thanks.

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it seems like drones are everywhere from the military and companies like retail giant amazon want to use drones to deliver your orders. the movie industry also wants to start using drones for filming. one company wanted to deliver beer with drones. now the faa stepped in okaying

the use of commercial drone flights. all of those things may soon come true. rene marsh has it all. >> this is the first time that the faa has authorized a company to fly commercial drone over land. now, the faa has given energy company bp and arrow environment which operates what's called unmanned aircraft systems, also known as drones, the green light to fly this and you're looking at it. a 4.5-foot long drone in alaska. it can be hand launched like you that photo.son doing there in - it has a wing span of nine feet. it will be flying at low altitude but it will always have to be within the operators sight. it will be used to survey bp pipe lines, roads and equipment. we know that will happen in alaska. a very remote area. it is one of the largest oil fields in the u.s. right now though. we should point out that drones are not allowed for commercial

use unless the faa approves it. the only other commercial drone the agency has approved is one that is flying in the arctic but big picture here. this is really just a small step toward that big goal of fully integrating drones into our airspace. the faa estimates, get this, in the next five years, as many as 7,500 drones could be flying in the u.s. airspace at any given time. they want to make sure they can do this in a safe way. carol? >> unbelievable. rene marsh reporting live from washington. thank you. hillary clinton's book about her tenure as secretary of state already a hit if these pictures are any indication. fans lined up to get their copy. jason carroll is covering this. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you. everyone waiting in line to get a copy of this. if you take a look at the line, folks have been waiting ever since last night. the line goes down the block and around the corner. hillary clinton expected to arrive in the next 20 minutes or

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"hard choices" is on sale. fans have lined up in new york city where clinton will sign copies of the book in just about a half an hour. jason carroll is there and you can safely call this clinton country. no surprise there are long lines. >> reporter: no surprise there are long lines. what you are probably not likely to find in this very long line that is out here it goes around the block. you won't find clinton critics. they are waiting to get inside this barnes & noble yesterday to come inside and get a copy of "hard choices." they'll come in here. pay for a book over there. get a wristband and wait in this line here and go upstairs for another long line in anticipation of finally seeing hillary clinton. a lot of people here in line. a lot of them have been waiting since yesterday. some of them waiting for hours to come inside. let's just talk to this one

woman here quickly. you've been waiting since yesterday. curious, what do you expect to get in the book that you haven't seen or read already? >> maybe details about some of the things that i haven't seen or read already. some of the behind the scenes stuff she hasn't put out publicly. >> reporter: if you get a chance to talk to hillary clinton, what would you say to her? >> i would probably ask her about her future plans as it relates to running and specifically about education. >> reporter: i know there was one person in line that felt this was her unofficial beginning of her campaign. would you agree? yes or no? >> yes. >> reporter: you would agree. once again, a lot of people who have been waiting in this line since yesterday in anticipation of speaking to the first lady, she is expected to arrive within the next half hour or so. she'll be signing books here until about 1:00 and then off again. a lot of folks coming out here feeling this is unofficial beginning of her campaign. >> all right. jason carroll, thanks for

filling us in. we appreciate it. today's book signing just part of the hillary clinton tour, which as you probably have noticed is in full swing. for a third day in a row, clinton soaked up the spotlight on abc. her book is number two on amazon. as for political capital, that's up in the air. it's clear she's reaching out to women. >> when you're in the spotlight as a woman, you know you're being judged constantly. it is just never ending. you get a little worried about okay, people over on this side are loving what i'm wearing, looking like, saying. people over on this side aren't. your natural tendency is how do you bring people together so that you can better communicate. i'm done with that. i'm just done. >> clinton also addressed benghazi. an issue she'll struggle with at a presidential run. asked whether she would have

done anything differently to save ambassador chris stephens and three other americans at the american consulate, listen. >> i wonder if people are looking for a sentence that begins from you i should have -- i should have. we saw your face on that tarmac. something that said i should have done this differently. i would give anything on the earth to personally if i could have done this differently. >> i certainly would give anything on earth if this had not happened and i certainly would wish that we had made some of the changes that came to our attention to make as a result of the investigation. but i also am clear in my own mind that we had a system and that system of course ended with me. i take responsibility, but i was not making security decisions.

i think it would be a mistake for secretary of state to sit and say, okay, let's go through all 270 posts and let me decide what should be done. that to me is inappropriate where the experience and expertise lies elsewhere. >> let's talk about this. with me now host of "reliable sources," brian stelter and rnc communications director and dnc communications director. brian, i want to focus on you first of all before we get into all of the policy. i want to take a look at the political strategy here. politico says hillary clinton's book is a perfect way to gather priceless consumer data that can be put to political use. how? >> later the publisher came out and said the campaign, if there is a campaign for the

presidency, won't be in data. we keep data. you have people waiting in line to get autographed copies of books and people interacting with her, signing up to follow her on twitter, et cetera, et cetera. and some of those pieces of this book campaign could apply to a presidential campaign down the line. i think everybody who has read the book in political circles came away thinking she's certainly making -- clearing the way for a run if she decides to do so in 2016. i think she even dropped hints about running she didn't mean to. the reason i call this book "hard choices" is because that's what any president faces. you decide. >> it struck me to see people standing in line waiting to buy her book that political operatives could use demos she's attra attracting. that would give a hint. not only writing this book, she's going to do several town halls. one of them on cnn. she'll also be on fox, cbs and

nbc. combine that with rumored dramatic reading of "hard choices" i'm sure there will be a social media component. >> there already is. books are a time honored way for politicians to warm up before a race. i think if you're a political reporter, a media reporter like me, you're operating on the assumption she's going to run and already running basically until she says otherwise. until she says she's not. >> all right. brian stelter, stick around. i want to bring in our rnc friend and dnc friend. we're having trouble with their microphones. you know how this week has been plaguing me with technical problems. we'll take a break and get it fixed up and we'll talk more right after this. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ hooking up the country helping business run ♪

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before we begin, i want to replay the hillary clinton bite on benghazi because diane sawyer asked her if she would have done anything differently to save lives. this is what she said. >> i wonder if people are looking for a sentence that begins from you, i should have. i should have. we saw your face on that tarmac. something that said i should have done this differently. i would give anything on the earth to personally if i had -- could have done this differently. >> well, i certainly would give anything on earth if this had not happened and i certainly would wish that we made some of the changes that came to our attention to make as a result of

the investigation. but i also am clear in my own mind that we had a system and that system of course ended with me. i take responsibility. i was not making security decisions. i think it would be a mistake for secretary of state to sit and say, okay, let's go through all 270 posts and let me decide what should be done. that to me is inappropriate where the experience and the expertise lies elsewhere. >> the first question goes to you, kirsten. did hillary clinton allay any concerns that hillary clinton had with benghazi? >> that was a poignant question that she didn't answer it to the american public's liking. there are questions that americans still have. they believe there should be more hearings. they don't believe democrats,

including hillary clinton and president obama, have answered all of the questions. i think that that's going to continue to be a problem for hillary so i think that overall the things that we learned from this book launch are some real questions for hillary and obviously this is a trial balloon for 2016. i think it puts democratic party in a very difficult position. i actually kind of have a question for mo i want to ask off the bet here. i can name ten republican candidates who can win the white house in two years. i think that what we've learned over the last couple of days with hillary clinton is they are all in on hillary and i would wonder if mo could actually name a couple other democrat candidates who could win the presidency in two years. >> mo, do you want to take that on? >> well, look, i like the democratic bench a whole lot more than the republican bench and there are a number of

potential candidates who i feel very confident we put them up head to head against any of the potential republican candidates and will win. i think the very nature of kersten's question, while i get what she's trying to do, proves our point, which is that whenever there's a conversation about benghazi, whenever there's a question about foreign policy, their initial instinct is to politicize it. that's what they're trying to do here. that's why up until now -- >> i will say that clinton's benghazi answer didn't resonate to me. is it enough to say i'm not in charge of blueprints for security? >> well, here's what i think. i think that what the obama administration and then secretary clinton did in the wake of the tragedy while the republicans politicized it within moments afterwards, their

first instinct was to deal with the situation at hand and then what do we need to do to prevent it from happening again? they put forward an independent investigation, the accountability review board put forward 29 specific recommendations and they've taken steps to implement those recommendationses s ts to ensu doesn't happen again. that's what americans want rather than that blustering calling for another hearing when in the past briefings had been skipped by republicans who went on tv to complain they weren't getting enough information. this was never for them. this is simply an elaborate get out the vote mechanism for republicans heading into a midterm election to fire up their base. it's sad. it's sad. it dishonors what happened there. >> let me ask kersten a question before you go on.

is it somewhat fair to say benghazi has become so politicized that those that support hillary clinton won't really listen to republican concerns? >> look, i believe from the very beginning on this benghazi issue the democrats have been changing their stories. we continue to find more information out every time we look. the white house was forced to cut out e-mails that showed that the talking points were political in nature from the very beginning, from the very first round of sunday show interviews that were done on this subject. i think that's why the american people do not believe that we have all of the answers and why they actually believe that there needs to be more hearings. while i understand why mo would like to point fingers at the rnc and had republicans on this issue, the fact of the matter is americans really do believe there are still questions that need to be answered and hillary was front and center in this. you can tell by the answer and

the question she received that she's not comfortable answering this question. >> all right. i'm going to have to leave it there. thanks for joining me. i really appreciate it. brian, kirsten and mo. thanks so much. this morning on capitol hill more anger over the white house deal that freed u.s. army soldier bowe bergdahl. many lawmakers say exchanging five taliban detainees was too high of a cost and they're upset they were not informed beforehand. minutes ago, republican senator john mccain also weighed in on this case taking issue with those who accuse bergdahl's fellow soldiers of sabotaging his name and reputation. >> i have one other comment that doesn't have anything to do with the hearing and that is i understand attacking people who disagree with the president's decision. i do not agree with attacking the reputation of these young

men who served in the same platoon with sergeant bergdahl. to accuse them of swift boating is unacceptable. >> that's an attack campaign waged against john kerry when he was democratic nominee for president and now kerry is the secretary of state. still to come in the "newsroom," nearly 20 years since this infamous chase that led to the trial of the century. so just how much have race relations in the united states changed since the o.j. simpson case? you're going to be surprised. we'll talk next. hey. i'm ted and this is rudy.

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this is worth talking about. 20 years, kind of hard to believe it's been that long, since this infamous low-speed chase involving o.j. simpson and his friend in this white ford bronco. 95 million people were glued to their tv sets on june 17th, 1994, as police pursued simpson along the los angeles freeway after he was charged with murders of his ex-wife, nicole brown simpson and her friend ronald goldman. after a trial that lasted more than eight months, o.j. simpson would walk away a free man. >> we, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant not guilty of a crime of murder. >> remember that moment as clear as day. when that verdict came back,

many whites were outraged. while sentiment among many black americans was that the jury got it right. fast forward to now. a new cnn/orc poll shows a majority of black americans think murder charges against the former football star were true. so what changed? let's talk about this with cnn political comme commentators. welcome to both of you. okay. i'm sure you two remember that day as clearly as i do when that verdict came down and many white americans were appalled and many of them -- i'm just being frank here -- said what is with black america? how could that be? >> well, carol, i was appalled. i'm not a white american. i remember i was working at cnn at the time. i had just come off the heels of interning here in the d.c. bureau, went out to get lunch the day of the verdict, i was greeted by black americans jumping up and down on the

street because they thought o.j. righted all of the wrongs in the past when many black men before the civil rights act were wrongly convicted of crimes. so i wouldn't say all black americans thought that he was not guilty. i think, look, time offers reflection for many of us. i'm glad to see black americans have the time to step back and say, hey, maybe we were wrong. you know, i think there's a lot that's happened since then. i don't know how any person if they were honest with themselves at the time, white or black, would think that o.j. simpson -- how long did that chase go on? i thought it went on for hours. >> forever and ever. forever. >> and they found we should remind everybody when the police finally were able to get him to come out of his car at his house where the chase ended, they found $9,000 in cash in the

bronco, a mustache, a goatee, glue to put on his face, a suicide note. i hate to say this but i laughed this morning not at the tragedy of the lives lost, but at how bungled the case was. >> absolutely. marc, i want to get your perspective on what you think changed in all that time? >> i'm not sure necessarily that anything changed. i don't necessarily begin from premise that black people thought o.j. simpson didn't murder people. some thought that. i thought they were crazy then. it is obvious that o.j. simpson was guilty. difference between being innocent and not guilty. i think what many people saw in the case of o.j. simpson particularly those that thought o.j. did it was the legal system failed. we saw mark fuhrman and we saw racism and police dishonesty and what the law says is that if the prosecution doesn't make its murder, the person has to be not

guilty regardless of what we think of their individual guilt. it is about o.j. simpson getting justice that other got. i thought it was disappointing he got away with murder. those of us who celebrated, we celebrated because the justice system worked. it was sad you had to be rich and guilty as opposed to poor and innocent to get that justice. what you see now upon reflection is not people saying we got o.j. simpson thing wrong. some realize he's guilty now. more says, yeah, he was guilty but still that verdict was fair given what happened. >> that's just very difficult to understand that line -- i'm just being honest with you. >> i don't know how -- marc, i agree with a lot of what you said. how is it fair that he got away with murder? what it showed was that while our justice system isn't perfect, you know, the prosecution, l.a. attorney's office, you know, they screwed up from the beginning. the police contaminated evidence.

i don't think it's anything to celebrate about. that's the trouble i have with you saying it was something to celebrate about our justice system isn't perfect, correct. there was nothing to celebrate about as you point out that a man who bludgeoned his ex-wife and ron goldman, who we don't even know -- he was innocent in this situation. stumbled upon the scene, i don't think there's anything to celebrate and her children were upstairs sleeping. >> i have to wrap this up. i have to go to the next show. i have to wrap it up. sorry. thank you. be sure to watch cnn special report o.j.'s wild ride 20 years after the chase 9:00 eastern tonight. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "@ this hour" with berman and michaela starts now. you can now read it for yourself. hillary clinton's "hard choices" is at a bookstore or kindle near you. what book sales tell us about presidential prospects. >