thank you. >> sure. >> what happened when you were in the miss ohio pageant? >> i fell off the stage. smerconish is next. there is video. >> we will see you at the top of the hour after the show. you break it, you own it. those are the words from u.s. secretary of state colin powell regarding iraq ten years ago in a book. iraq is clearly broken today. among the questions in 2014 is whether we own it. good morning. i'm michael smerconish. let's get started. first headline from the daily beast. america wants iraq back to fight insurgents with air strikes. the crisis went from simmer to boil with lightning speed. across from syria a week ago today. iraqi troops leaving iraq's

sunni heartland for the taking and setting a stage for possible war in baghdad. president obama will not spend troops and america cannot solve iraq's problems. it turns out with iraq, we only thought we were done. congress member peter king is a member of the house homeland security committee and committee on intelligence. phil mudd is in charge of the cia counter terrorist center during the bush administration. congressmember king, do you agree with president obama relative to the decision not to send u.s. ground troops? >> as a matter, i don't see us putting ground troops. air strikes should be taken if possible. i'm concerned as why this was not known before. from the time the president withdrew the troops back in 2011 and certainly over the last year and several months we have known how powerful isis has become and

it should not be a shock to anyone. i would have thought we would have done intelligence or know which sites could be hit or what could be done. there should be air strikes that should be done. if nothing else, to stop this assault and give the iraqi army the chance to consolidate and defend baghdad. and if it is possible, isis is moving too quickly and they could outrun their supply lines. >> it sounds like you are on board with the president's decision relative to no ground troops. let me ask a follow-up in that regard. should he have publicly announced that was the plan. are you worried that may have emboldened isis knowing american ground troops are not coming. >> to me, you should never tell the enemy what you will do and not do. i'm not making it sound like i'm agreeing with the president, but with a crisis like this, he

should not call the conference to announce he will look at it. this is something we should have been ready for although they moved at lightning speed this week. we have known since fallujah fell. we knew how powerful isis is and especially with the situation in syria. i can be critical of the president, but i'm not anxious to do it today because of a time of crisis. there is a lot to be critical of over the last several months. >> let me show you the exchange yesterday with senator mccain and our own wolf blitzer. roll that tape. >> name names. you said the president should fire his national security team. who specifically should the president fire? >> the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff number one. the national security advisor number two. he should spend time with their family on sundays. i would certainly have all of her deputies, national security

advisors gone as well. hagel was not there when the crucial decisions were taken. i don't have a lot of confide e confidence. >> congress member king, do you agree with the assessment from senator mccain? >> i agree with mccain's overall criticism. i'm not sure who was doing what behind closed doors. the security team failed him. the teams were aware of what was happening in iraq. the potential for this to happen. it is inexcusable to me how we have been caught short on this. i don't want to name names. there is no doubt the president's team has failed him. >> i have to ask a follow-up in that regard. i know you are the chairman of the sub committee on counterterrorism and intelligence. where was that committee in that regard? i'm unaware anybody from that

committee is saying there is a threat of isis taking control of iraq. >> i'm on the committee. we get briefings. it is no secret. many of us have been saying for years, ever since the president failed to get the status of forces agreement and we saw what was happening in syria where the president was not providing assistance he said he would. isis has become more powerful in syria. this is the type of thing a number of us have been talking about over the last several years. as far as the last several months. once fallujah fell and briefings were given on impact of isis. there is only so much you can say publicly. it is no secret. you had a number of people saying action should be taken to stop isis. >> phil mudd, get in on this where the intelligence community was caught flat footed. there was an awareness of the threat of isis, but now is it publicly revealed of the success they had.

>> i mean, i don't see what the issue is here in terms of the intelligence committee's performance. the question is what the united states government does in response. when i look at the criticisms of the united states government has done, here is the question i have. two words. mission creep. we went in for wmd, it wasn't there. now we want to go in because of the dictator, nuri al maliki, who representatives shi'a. when do we get out of the game? i don't think isis is a threat to baghdad. when will we get out of this game? >> congress member king, i hear from radio listeners day in and day out who say we should stay the hell out of this. >> a lot of aggressive feelings. i disagree with phil mudd. there is an interest.

we don't want isis to have that large foot hold. the combination of iraq and syria. that would put countries like jordan and israel and the middle east in a very, very dangerous situation. i think that we have a role to play. if the u.s. had been there, maybe in bosnia to have a role where we could have pressured nuri al maliki to be more open. i think nuri al maliki is terrible. i think maliki should go. i have no desire for the u.s. to ever be in iraq. if isis is able to take over large parts of iraq and with the gains made in syria and you are really going toward the islam fate. in the short run, it will be damaging to u.s. interests. for us keeping a democracy, i'm not talking about that at all. this is the importance of not

allowing isis to gain that foot hold. >> phil mudd, has joe biden been vindicated? he talked about a three-state solution of divvying up iraq according to state lines. did he have the right answer? >> i think broadly when you look at fundamental change across the east in the communities with leaders with iran and have ethnic or religious difference with syria and lebanon. we as americans think democracy is inherently good. when you introduce democracy to a place that is used to a strong man, the winners, shi'a, for example in iraq, say we won. we don't represent the minority. the minority says we lost. let's turn to terrorism. we think democracy is a solution. in egypt and libya and iran and iraq, sometimes it's not. >> gentlemen, thank you.

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front and center. with me is donna brazil. she is a cnn contributor and the founder of the bernard center for women. michelle, are we now in the midst of the election that is dictated by foreign policy events, not domestic? >> absolutely. for the mid terms and going into 2016, foreign policy will be the number one issue again. what i find absolutely fascinating about this, this is the issue that haunted hillary clinton in 2008. if she runs for president, this looks like this will define her candidacy. >> donna, the stage is set for a strong year for republicans for the elections. does this change that dynamic? >> first of all, i don't think foreign policy will necessarily dominate the debate this fall. as you know, there are so many

unknowns as you come into the 2014 campaign. the economy is still an issue that most americans care about. the shooting violence across our country and impacting our kids and immigration reform. jobs, jobs, jobs. this is one of many issues. right now, it is center stage because of the sectarian strive we are seeing in iraq. i think we still have to wait a few months to see what issue might dominate the discussion as we go into the final days of the election day. >> i'm not sure which way this cuts, michelle bernard, helping ours or others to iraq. nora, would you put up the frank rich quote. frank said this in new york magazine. what is swept under the rug is the leading role that the liberal establishment played in the calamity. a majority of senate democrats voted to authorize the war, including hillary clinton and joe biden and john edwards.

most of the liberal pundits and those who challenge the rationale invasion. how does it cut politically, michelle, if this becomes a dominant part of the election? >> i think it will cut frankly for republicans at least if we go back in time and we look at how people have voted and frankly, not just democrats, but republicans as well. in times where people feel any sort of national security threat and right now, let's face it, we are dealing with iraq and iran and afghanistan. syria is basically running all of our policy in the middle east. democrats, you know, we have seen hillary clinton come out in the same camp as president obama with regard to what we should do in iraq, which is basically the administration and presidential aspect hillary clinton saying let's back off. that is the base of the democratic party wants. they want us out.

the democrats feel this is their problem and they need to deal with it. if the country feels threatened, in any way, i believe that on issues of national security, it always errs to the benefit of the republican party. >> first of all, president maliki must get his act together. i have to say this. >> i agree with you on that, don donna. >> short of going in and getting on the side of maliki who has shown no willingness to form an inclusive government. he alienated the sunni population. he destroyed whatever unity and peace that could be had by simply not working to even foster a government that is of the people by the people. in many ways, he has created this mess and yes, there is no question this terrorist organization that has taken advantage of the chaos and now

you have a leading cleric saying they should take up arms against the terrorists. this is something that president maliki must figure out and before we get involved, we need to understand what is the long-term goal right now. we don't need to use our resources behind this government in iraq until we understand if he is going to bring all of the people to the table and not just his quote/unquote, thugish friends. >> donna and michelle, stay with me. you know another political story this week closer to home. first, let's get back to the original headline. you remember the headline which said hillary clinton slams maliki dysfunctional government. i would have written accountability for 2014 and 2016 votes in iraq taken in 2002. among those who voted to go into iraq, hillary clinton, she made news of her own this week and not everyone thought it was

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changed your mind. is that it? >> i have to say, i think you are very persistent, but you are playing with my words and playing with what is such an important issue. >> i want to clarify. >> no, i don't think you are trying to clarify. you are trying to say i used to be opposed and now i'm in favor and i did it for political reasons and that is just flat wrong. >> some would call that hillary clinton being testy. some like myself would say she is spot on. let's bring back donna brazile and michelle bernard. michelle, i listened to the full eight minutes. at the very end of the eight minutes, you get that exchange. i like the way she handled it. she said i will restate what you said about my position and i'll repudiate it. is this a mountain out of a mole hill? >> i listened to it also. i liked the way hillary clinton

responded. she was clear. she was concise. the problem for the secretary is that for people who do not like hillary clinton and who are unaccustomed to hearing a woman at this level of national politics being direct and frank and concise and saying you got it wrong, i'm not going to allow you to define my position on a certain issue. the quote/unquote haters will say, i told you, hillary clinton is shrill. we are not ready for a female president. >> donna brazile, the other headline is the interview with diane sawyer where she talked about being broke when they left the white house. react to the criticism on that point. >> first of all, i don't think anyone should ever apologize for trying to earn a living and make money. here is one thing i know about hillary clinton.

that is she gives back. she believes in that old scripture, to whom much is given, much is required. regardless of what people think of how much debt they have been in after they left the white house, the fact for eight years they we they were under attack and were under legal bills. they wanted to restructure their living. as for the terry gross interview, i thought she was compelling and concise with her strong support for human rights and the dignity of all people. you know, i don't know if she will run or not, but i tell you one thing, she will be formidable. she has a true passion for the future. >> let me show you another headline. gop leader eric cantor loses in shock tea party upset. it is not just they were victorious this week, but the last couple of cycles. your response, michelle. >> i agree with you.

one thing i point out is i spoke to somebody close to the cantor campaign this week. the one statement they made that is important for people to understand is the national tea party groups had nothing to do with eric cantor's loss. if you look at where they put their money. they did not support the person who ran against him and won. if you want to look at the tea party being successful in terms of destroying the republican party and pushing candidates to the right and marginalizing the party, i don't believe we will see the republican party win at the presidential level ever again or in the foreseeable future with pushing candidates far right. the tea party is winning. they destroyed the center of the country. that is where most persons are. >> donna brazile, is it possible the pundit class is making too much of the cantor race.

he is just not that likable and had not had an opponent up until now. >> he may have been rusty. the incumbents have that. he was in washington, d.c. on the morning of the election holding a fund-raiser. he forgot his constituents resided 100 miles from here and not one block away from the united states capital. i think mr. cantor took his eye off the ball. he cannot blame it on the tea party or the little democrats that participated. he needs to look at himself and say i lost because i forgot i represent the people of the seven congressional district of virginia. that is it. good-bye and thank you, mr. cantor, for your service. >> thank you, donna and michelle. remember that headline that said gop eric cantor loses in shock tea party upset. what i would have written, passion wins primaries. speaking of cantor, catch

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in the army. if the army checked his record, it took him anyway. back with me is peter king and kimberly dosier. she scooped us this week on the letters bergdahl wrote from captivity. kimberly, i read those letters that you discussed. there was a line, there are most sides to this situation. situation spelled with a "c." what is the cliffs notes version? >> there were two letters. one written in 2012 which is much more general talking about his health and welfare and then going off into a long rant about god, faith, the universe. the kind of things you might write in captivity if you are seeking any reason to keep writing instead of being put back in your cell. the second one, however, it is as if he is worried he may never

make it out of there and was telling his parents that there was an investigation into why he left the base. he wanted to tell them he thought the conditions were unsafe and his leadership wasn't looking out for the troops on the ground, afghan or american. doesn't say and i walked off, but he urges those in d.c. to wait until they have all of the evidence. >> congress member king, i know the focus thus far is on the point of departure for him. the more i read and the more i learn, i'm questioning why was he in the army to begin with? there are reports he walked off in training and walked off in afghanistan prior to departure. we learn he was drummed out of the coast guard after a couple of weeks. are you raising questions of why he was still in the military? >> there has to be a full examination of the personnel file of why this happened. people in the army are people

with troubled past. people were criminal records. i think we have to see the extent to which the army looked at the coast guard record and the reasons for the release. we know it had a psychological component to it. something he went through in his youth and he overcame it. you don't know. as far as writings in captivity, we should withhold judgment on that. he walked away from his post. that was wrong. there has to be an investigation of that and proper action taken. other than that, i don't believe we should pile on. let's wait for the facts. i would not hold something against someone on what they wrote in captivity. if you were confined the way he was, apparently, and what was happening, i think we should stand back on that. the fact he abandoned his post, that clouds what happened. >> there has been so much focus

on him perhaps having put men who served with him in harm's way by leaving his position and they had to go out in search of him. i'm backing up the clock. if he washed out of the coast guard and walked off in the training in southern california. what did the army know and when did they know it? maybe the army should have taken him out of circulation. do you know anything on that, congress member? >> michael, many soldiers go awol. they go awol in basic training. that would not disqualify them. you talk about a day or two pass and not coming back after a weekend or having a bad night. that is different than abandoning your post in war. you rely on commanders both at the platoon level and company level to keep an eye on that. the fact is not everyone in the

army is a saint. there have been people over the years who have gone awol and have an outstanding record in combat. >> the difference he still has not spoken with his parents. are there any insights in the letters you reported on as to why that may be the case. can you read those tea leaves for us? >> when he was held in captivity the last two years, he said he was held in a cage or basements in the dark and sometimes hooded much of the time. he is coming off an incredibly psychologically traumatic experience. reintegrating slowly. maybe seeing mom and dad is something that is going to reopen all that time when he was in prison just thinking about maybe i'll be free again. maybe i'll never get out again. psychologists briefed reporters

and say they go after with a captive afterwards and what were you thinking in captivity? were you playing out how a meeting with your family will go. let's practice. let's war games some of the things that will come up and how you will tell your story. that leads to the wider question of how he will tell the story to the wider public. the army officials have not told him yet about the controversy surrounding his releasor captivity. that is eventually when he learns of it. >> congress member king, final question, based on the committee assignments, did we get out negotiated in the five for one swap? >> yes, i believe we did. we should not have given up those five dangerous extremely talented, unfortunately, terrorists. it puts american lives at risk and allies in afghanistan at risk.

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time for headlines redefined. these are the stories that got the story half right. the first from the "sacramento bee." the firing laws ruled unconstitutional. this is a big setback. the first time the court said the quality of the education is as important as the funding of the education. the issue is tenure laws cause exposure to bad teachers by low income and minority students. teachers who cannot be fired because the tenure laws. the court said that is the case. listen to the evidence in the trial. evidence in a singular year with

a classroom with a bad teacher, it costs $1.4 million over the course of the lifetime earnings of those in the classroom. that is the statistic that caused the judge to say this really quote/unquote, shocks the conscious. look for this case to be replicated across the country. you remember the headline. california teacher tenure firing law unconstitutional. equal protection from bad teachers. the next from nbc news. cops say trucker in tracy morgan crash was awake for over 24 hours. the crash on the new jersey turnpike has spurred a conversation on the road. this was a big talker on my radio program through the week. i heard from truckers who say they are getting thrown under the bus. people don't understand. tons of regulations surround our work and they are too rigid. federal regulations limit

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i'm going to have to interrupt this call. we will go to a live picture in los angeles. this is interstate 5. this is courtesy of kcal. one of our affiliates. police believe that o.j. simpson is in that car. now police say simpson has a gun to his head. reuters is reporting that police tracked simpson through his cellular phone. look at the helicopter looking down at all of cars. this is living drama. there is nothing else you can

say about this but we will stay with it. >> you bet we will stay with it. this headline says it all from vanity fair. it all began with o.j. june 17th, 1994, was the birth of o.j. nation. the trial aired wall-to-wall by a younger cnn. the not guilty verdict which m hammered home the racial divide. it was a prelude to o.j. simpson with the legacy. as kent babb wrote this week about the bronco chase, no one could have guessed this could captivate the public. no chase and no duck dynasty and no kardashians. diane had a front row seat to the o.j. case. she was a reporter for "hard copy." that is where i first started

watching you. 20 years ago, last thursday, the day of the murder, i don't know where i was. i know where i was 20 years ago this coming tuesday. what was your first brush with this case? what do you first remember? >> i remember getting a call on a sunday morning from my desk at "hard copy" anthd them saying there was a murder. i said who? o.j. simpson's wife. >> you got there and the candles were still burning? >> i pulled up with my cameraman. chad was his name. the coroner's wagon was there. they just put a body in the back. they drove away. we looked at each other. police tape was up and we went to the front of the house. the blood was on the sidewalk. you can see the mark from the leash where the dog wandered through all the way down to the

corner. went in, opened up the outside gate and you could see right into her condo. the candles were still burning on the fireplace next to her picture with o.j. >> the piece i'm reading names like lance ito, and robert kardashian, marsha clark. like you i'm kind of smiling. it's bringing back -- it's horrible to say, being a newlywed, coming home from practicing law, liked same way of getting hooked on a soap opera. two people were died, two people were murdered, and this is how i remember it, fondly, paying attention to it. >> and it changed the way the media operates and the way people watch the media. remember 1994, there was hard copy, current affair, her rando had a strip show on dedicated to

the trial. appeared our ratings were crazy news, and the networks noticed and said, we have to get a reporter in there. we actually took people inside the courtroom to watch the trial, which was sort of unheard of at that point, and court tv was born from that. >> and you would cap off your day with "larry king live" all the a-listers would be here at cnn, and everyone availed themselves to his interviews. >> there was even if i'm remembering an e-tv or one of the lesser cable networks did a parody every night, like little puppets. >> i forgot, the dancing itos. i have a serious question for you -- was a guilty man framed by the lapd? was a guilty man framed? >> no. no. i'll tell you why, quickly, on ron goldman's boot, on the tip of his boot was one drop of

blood, it was o.j. simpson's blood. now, why the trial got so coal volume luted and so bogged down in what is dna, because it was kind of new at the time. that one piece of evidence spoke volumes. what was his droop of blood doing on the boot toe of ron goldman. >> but you don't buy into invite arguments that the guy did it, but the lapd played loose with the blood? >> no furman was a great cop in my opinion, but he lied with the past. >> if they had a videotape, would they then have convicted. i'm convinced they would not have? >> maybe, but yeah, i think the deck was stacked. with that jury being in downtown los angeles, not in fancy brentwood, i think the deck was stacked. he was going to be not guilty. >> and the legacy all these reality programs, all stemming

from the loins of the o.j. simpson. >> it was at born from that. it all started right there. >> i guess for they we have to thank that you're here. one silver lining. >> the double murder. remember that old original headline, the "vanity fair" one that said it all began with o.j.? what i would have written -- america's first reality show. speaking of reality, we have a grim one in front of us. from wisconsin to walmart, these deadly sprees are, believe it or not, pushing our limits on being too far too pc. she's still the one for you. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right.

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massacre of, namely that janet napolitano was right. five years ago, the office of the then secretary of the department of homeland security, dhs, released an assessment that was titled right-wing extremism, current economic and political climate fueling resurgence in radicalism. the key finding in the assessment said the economic downturn and election of the first african-american president better unique drivers. you might remember that critics pounced when they read a footnote that defined it as including not only those that are primary hate-oriented, but may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration. also controversial was a warning that veterans returning from iraq in afghanistan were at risk of terror recruitment.

timothy mcveigh, the gulf war veteran convicted of killing 168 people in that 1995 attack on a federal building in oklahoma city, was cited as an example of that concern. well, sadly the assessment was prescient. in 2012, a white supremacist who served in the military killed six at a sikh temple in wisconsin. and three people were killed outside a jewish facility, now the married couple that assassinated two cops and a bystander near a walmart last, and they left be hind a flag and swastika. five years ago partisans torpedos the assessment notwithstanding that just three months prior a similar warning was published by the same

authors pertaining to left-win extremists. just two weeks ago, before the events in las vegas, eric holder announced he was reassembling a task force on domestic terrorism that had been defunct since 9/11. he -- within our own borders, who may be motivated by a variety of other causes from antigovernment animus, to racial prejudice. i think that holder is properly following in napolitano's footsteps. while the pc label is usually hurled from the right, it fits any time otherwise appropriate behavior is curtailed out of a fear of contemporary reaction. with regard to political streamism, when we failed for investigate risk because of unfounded public response, we are yielding to pc forces and jeopardizing lives. that's it for me. i'll be back here next saturday.

until then, have a great weekend and a happy father's day. 10:00 straight up, we're so glad to see you umplts i'm victor blackwell. first this morning, iraq's prime minister is vows to take the fight for islamic militants threatening to fight on baghdad. president obama says all options but one -- sending combat troops back into iraq. everything else is on the take. >> you know, there are they fears that the militants belonging to the extremist group islamic state in iraq and syria, or isis as it's known, may push