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racetrack and at the same time get annoyed at a bike going the wrong way. jeannie mose, cnn new york. >> he's probably single now. i bet most car racers don't carry around air fresheners like carry around air fresheners like that. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, it's 8:00 p.m., 3:00 a.m. in baghdad. chemical weapons in iraq, that's the breaking news. sunni extremists fighter haves taken a former chemical weapons production plant that still contains a stockpile of old weapons, apparently. nick robertson is working sources and he's been to the plant years ago and will join us in a moment. jim is working the pentagon. president obama this afternoon call add key moment for iraq.
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a moment he says the fate of this country hangs in the bat lance. one last chance to keep this country together. the president made a plan tearing iraq apart at the core is political. that's the long-term problem he believes and has to be the long-term solution but because the immediate problem is military, sunni forces rampaging and the iraqi army cuts and runs in the north, mr. obama today offering military help and american military personnel not to fight but advice the iraqi military. after laying out the plan, he got a reminder as if any commander in chief needs one of the consequences of any decision to send americans to danger zones or back into them. he presented the medal of honor, excuse me, to retired marine corps machine gunner william kyle carpenter who jumped between a taliban grenade and his buddies in afghanistan helmet province. carpenter spent two and a half years in the hospital. tonight, we'll look at what
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sending advisors and planning air strikes can do for the situation here but here is key moments from president obama earlier today. >> first, we are working to secure our embassy and personnel operating inside of iraq. second, at my direction, we have significantly increased our intelligence, surveillance and recognizance so we have a better picture of what is taking place inside of iraq, third, the united states will continue to increase support to iraqi security forces. american forces will not be returning to combat in iraq. but we will help iraqis as they take the fight to terrorest who threaten the iraqi people, region and american interests, as well. fourth, in recent days we've positioned additional u.s. military assets in the region. because of our increased intelligence resources, we're developing more information about potential targets associated with isil and going forward, we will be prepared to
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takecise military action if and when we determine the situation on the ground requires it. finally, the united states will lead a diplomatic effort to work with iraqi leaders and the country's in the region to support stability in iraq. above all, iraqi leaders must rise above their differences and come together around a political plan for iraq's future. shia, sunni, kurds, all iraqis must have confidence they can advance interests and aspirations through the political process, rather than through violence. meanwhile, the united states will not pursue military options that support one second inside of iraq at the expense of another. there is no military solution inside iraq, certainly not one lead by the united states. what is clear from the last decade is the need for the united states to ask hard questions before we take action
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abroad. particularly military action. >> that was president obama speaking earlier today. i want to apologize for my voice earlier in the previous segment. the air is thick with dust here, anyone who served in iraq knows what that is about. i apologize for coughing. joining us, arwa damon, shim shutto. nick, let's start with you and talk about the chemical plant. you've actually been there. what is it like? >> with weapons inspectors, 2002, i was just looking back at my notes what we're hearing from state department officials they say the stockpiles that the isis are coming across are old degraded probably no chemical webs value could be dangerous if moved. looking back at my opening lines, the first impressions you have, rows of rusting chemical
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war fair, equipment rot income a warehouse and the last line was this is a site that the weapons inspectors probably won't have to come back to. it was bombed in 1991. it's a large site, 15 square miles roughly in the desert, bunker type warehouses, the birthplace of saddam hussein's biological weapons production. the heart of his chemical weapons production but the impression was it had been bombed in '91. weapons inspectors filled a lot of equipment with concrete. it was a relatively unusual state and when we went there, it was rotting lined up in these bunkers. so what there would be now after again it's been cataloged post 2004, it would strike me as not a lot of use but a great danger to somebody who might try and tamper with it. >> jim shutto what are you hearing from your sources or the
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state department and pentagon about capabilities to weaponize what may be there or take it somewhere else and how dangerous that would be? >> as nick hinted, the state department not expressing great alarm. they are aware of this completion, they have for sometime but they say as nick said they don't consider the materials in there to be of military use while of course, they are concerned of any site or any military site taken over by isis. here is the statement they had in particular. i'll read it, we're aware isil has occupied the complex. we're concerned about the site by the isil, or isis as we call them. they would be difficult if not impossible to safely move the material. not expressing great alarm while of course, it's just a sign that as these forces move through iraq, they can come across military sites and weapons when they have that kind of scope.
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>> the other question i had when i read that statement though, is how concerned would a terror group be about safely moving the material, i'm not sure they would mind moving it if it's not that safe to do so. we'll have to wait and see. jim accost to, you were at the white house when the president was speaking. you pressed him about the possibility of mission creep, president obama saying 300 advisors, he said non-combat forces, probably green berets, navy saleeals, rangers going to baghdad. what did he say? >> anderson, another example of why president obama is a cautious commander in chief. he's really caught in a jam. he said american combat troops are not going to be fighting in iraq again but said it's in the national security interest of the u.s. to make sure iraq is not a safe haven for terrorists and he's keeping options open for air strikes but by the way, the options for air strikes could take place in iraq or syria. senior administration officials are not ruling that out and at
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the same time, while this is a cautious move to send in military advisors, anderson, senior administration officials explained they are going to be going in advisors and teams of 12 or so when they go out with iraqi forces to advice them and consult with them. that does potentially open them up to some danger and that is why senior administration officials were saying today that these advisors have been granted immunity unlike the situation that occurred between the u.s. and iraq back in 2011 and that if they need to, they can fire back in self-defense, anderson. >> arwa damon, as you know, the shia lead government wanted air strikes by the united states to help military on the battle field. i'm wondering what the response up north was to the president's comments today and the idea of sending in advisors. >> well, the kurds are viewing
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what is happening naturally with al a lot of caution but we seen the fights force move quickly to ensure they stake out the te territory they want to see firmly remain. in speaking ing ting t ing tii leadership, they have to be careful who they are hitting. isis not fighting alone. they have the insure get groups fighting alongside it and has support of triable leaders so you don't want to aggravate the sectarian divide by being perceived as striking at the su kne -- sunnis. isis will grow in strength and wealth and military capabilities as this goes on so they do need to be hit at this stage before they get even stronger but it's going to be an incredibly delicate situation, anderson.
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>> and nick, clearly, the u.s. interested in trying to, arwa was talking about other sunni groups who were aligned with isis or fighting with them, clearly, the u.s. would like to peel off sunni groups, particularly groups they worked for. >> it has to be strategy and certainly some of those groups was expressing the hope that the united states would talk to him. it is an act of desperation but they felt they had no other opportunity and they hope that they don't become targeted lumped in with isis. that's their fear because they know what that would happen, what that you would that would mean. it would necessarily drive them further away from the united states, make them greater enemies of the united states, and greater and much harder to solve the issues of iraq. so there is that hope that they can be pulled away. the possibility is there. who knows what exact price they will want for that.
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>> jim accoosta, it's not the u. role to tell iraqis who should lead the country. they have no confidence in maliki's ability to reach out to the sunnis or kurds awhere arwa damon is and a political solution has got to be the way to move iraq forward and unify iraq. >> that's right, the president blamed much of the violence on iraq on maliki saying the prime minister failed to unite the factions tearing iraq apart but not making u.s. support contingent upon maliki stepping down. u.s. assistance would take place if maliki were to step down. the president put an end to it saying it's not the job of the u.s. to choose iraqi leaders but at the same time during a background call that administration had with reporters with the hide house,
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senior administration officials made it clear they don't mind if nuri al-maliki leaves, as long as it's part of process. >> jim, it seems clear the white house believes there is some time that the huge forward momentum that isis and sunni supporters had slowed as the easiest targets in the most sunni controlled areas are already under isis control or being contested by isis. do we have a sense or do you have a sense of the timeline the white house sees for getting advisors into a position in iraq? >> well, these advisors from what we know are going to be coming from forces already staged in the region. so they can be in there quickly. in fact, the first teams we're told going in in the next 24 hours, then you have to deploy them, forward deploy them to the
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headquarters of the iraqi battalions where they will be based. as to when the air strikes are launched, the white house is not going to say when they will do that but you are right, and we've been hearing this, i've been hearing this from intelligence officials all week, as you say, that they felt that baghdad and the shia dominated areas were not as vulnerable because of the shiite populations there and shiite militia more loyal to the iraqi government and that does give them some time. the trouble is, i'm told, by the same officials, without a comprehensive counter offensive from iraqi forces now with u.s. help, it's going to be very difficult and take time to rest back control of those areas in the north and west that have been taken over by isis and their sunni allies. >> very difficult, if not impossible, at least at this point to say the least. arwa damon, what are you hearing
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from fighters you've been spending time with? do they feel that, i wouldn't say stalled would be a word for the isis forces right now but do they feel the momentum has stabilized or slowed? >> well, if you look at a lot of front lines that around the controlled areas, they are not as active as they are moving further south towards the capitol of baghdad. what we're seeing up here is isis units testing the resolve. they will launch quick attacks, clashes that will last for a few hours at times, mortar rounds but no real direct confrontat n confrontation. the front line holding up to a certain degree. what is interesting to the capabilities of the iraqi security forces speaking with the governor of there, he said iraqi security forces are great
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at setting up check points. you would have gone through this at baghdad, there are traffic jams created by this but barring that, barring setting up check points and conducting whatever searches they are trying to conduct, these are not forces necessarily capable or have the confidence of the population to carry out the operation necessary at this stage in what is happening in the country, anderson. >> all right. arwa, stick around, nick robertson, as well, jim accoost and jim shutto, as well. i vise visited a recruitmen center, you've heard about young men, old men volunteering after a call. i went to a center where today there were hundreds of young men signing up volunteering to fight and most of them didn't have any military experience. we'll talk about that ahead.
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what began as a sunni awakens spread to other parts of iraq to encourage local tribes man to turn against al qaeda, the u.s. military is paying local shakes to provide security. a gunman like this can earn up to $10 a day for services. the next step is to have young men like this join the iraqi police, but for that, the u.s. military needs the corporation of the shia dominated government in baghdad. that was reporting from here back in 2007. what is interesting about that, of kourcourse, after the u.s. l maliki stopped paying those groups and some are involved in the fight yet again against the central government here and those are some of the groups the u.s. is hoping to reach out to, get them back on board and that's why they want a leader here, a government here that's willing to reach out to sunni groups. i want to continue to talk about the breaking news tonight. nick robertson is here, arwa
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damon, the breaking news tonight. isis forces apparently now having occupied an old chemical weapons facility from saddam's days. nick robertson was there. we actually have video you shot. what year is this? >> 2002 and it was bombed by coalition forces back in 1991 and weapons inspectors, un weapons inspectors were there. when i was there, i was writing about these rusting rows of chemical weapons equipment. again, i was back there with the un weapons inspectors. it must have been an important site because that was the seventh site they visited so it was a key one. iraq was at war with iran and it had been identity lle after tha.
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when i was there, you have a desert site, sort of 15 square miles, bunkers, semi secure site, some places the wire around the outside was torn down. >> you raised the question before we went on air, which is a good one, if it is isis forces there if they have former members with them or former sunni militias or former saddam forces who does that? >> you have to fight. they are using the strategic bombing in the army. if they are there now they will know the layout, what equipment is there and some of them, if
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they can utilize this. >> arwa, do they have intelligence how many other sunni groups or awakening groups are party groups are fighting? >> in terms of an exact number at this stage anderson, it's a mirky picture and connected to these various other sunni fighting sources. they will throw a couple familiar names out there, bundys, former other sunni groups quite prominent during the u.s. occupation of iraq. but at this stage, the situation is so polarized, that even if some of these former sunni groups are not directly involved in the fight, they are at the very least allowing it to happen. the sunnis who do not want to see an organization like isis take over and the creation at this stage feel as if they have no other choice but to make
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their bed with the devil, the devil being isis. among their ranks, there are those who disagree. no one at this stage is feeling as if they have the clout or the capacity to even begin to stand up to isis and try to even bring about a stop to what is happening. one individual who we've been speaking to is fairly close to the other sunni insurgent groups say we can't fight on two fronts. we can't fight the dominated government and isis at the same time. >> arwa da damon, thank you, stay safe. commanding forces in iraq from 2007 to 2009. general, thank you for being with us. the 300 non-combat advisors being sent into iraq, times i've worked with green berets and rangers, i'm always impressed by
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the complexity of the task that they are assigned to do. kind of working on multiple fronts. what do you see as their key objective this time around here? >> well, i'll open the aperture a little bit, anderson, and say these guys are going to provide a lot more than people are talking about right now. they are certainly going to provide support to the iraqi security forces, that's what everyone is thinking about now but provide clarity to what is going on over there. i'm listening to your reports with nick and arwa and they are talking about the numerous tribes and terrorist groups in the north and it brings back memories when she talks about them and 127 tribes that we once counted in the northern region, but those special forces and special operating forces will provide clarity as to what is going on. they will also have good communication packages. they will report not only to
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iraqi brothers in the fight but report back to our national security apparatus to tell them what is going on. they will provide very good intelligence. they will provide support to the iraqi forces in whatever groups they are assigned by and it's usually a 12-person detachment, but they are also going to provide psychological support for the operation. >> and that's got to be incredibly important, just for a moral boost to have the presence of highly trained operators from the united states amidst these iraqi forces. that seems like one of the issues here, i don't know if it's in the office core or below, but you have iraqis who not even, you know, engage in a fire fight but before isis even showed uptaking up weapons, taking off their uniforms, throwing down guns. so a moral boost you can't under estimate how important that could be. >> anderson, i was listening to
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your report when you had talked to some of the folks on the street that said hey, we don't need americans here. that was prevalent when i was there during my last tour of over three years in that country, and what is interesting is you hear that from the people on the street. they will tell you, hey, we don't really need americans. we're good to go. when you talk to the iraqi security forces, they know the capabilities we provide with intelligence contacts, with the capabilities to various elements of the battle field. so i think the iraqi security forces right now that see us pushing the government as well as the army, they are very happy to have this small number of special forces and special operating forces in the area. again, i emphasize not only the clarity and the intelligence but the communication packages and ability to reach back with the things that our special forces bring with them to the battle field. sg >> yeah, it's interesting that
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you point that out. everybody that said that to me is like a 22-year-old kid that has no military experience, no experience with the u.s. military and doesn't know what they are talking about. they are talking about pride and national pride but when you talk to iraqi personnel, military personnel who worked one on one, it's a completely different tune as you said. lieutenant general, appreciate you being on. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next in this hour, the u.s. supported maliki, no doubt about that. the man being blamed for the sunni backlash or does iraq's prime minister need to step down? is there a way for that to happen without the u.s. forcing that to happen? we'll talk about that and i'll talk to richard clark, the top counterterrorism officials his warnings about al qaeda were ignored before 9/11 and we're seeing exactly why. we'll talk to him ahead. you've reached the age where you've learned a thing or two.
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the airport road used to be among the dangerous roads in the world. they say it's safer now. we'll see. that road is better now. it's not so great at night but definitely better now. i did that reporting december 2005. a few months later nuri al-maliki took office. he shows no signs of stepping down. his alliance won the most votes. he must form a new government. the white house hasn't said maliki should resign. they say it's up to the iraqi people but they have been critical of his policies.
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some u.s. lawmakers are blunter saying point blank he is got to go. christiane amanpour joins me now and covering iraq for a lot of years for time magazine. christiane, there seems to be no support for nuri al-maliki and clearly the white house believes there needs to be change. >> the president made that pretty clear going to say it's not up to the united states to choose who is the government of iraq but nonetheless, they have lost faith in nuri-al maliki, even hillary clinton basically told me iraqis need to get rid of maliki. who would be alternatives? we are hearing names floated, a sunni name and a shiite being floated. if you remember, he was the name associated most with helping to pull the u.s. into that war. so see how far things have come,
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people don't quite know who to get into power. but one of the things i'm being told, also, is that the shiites are genuinely terrified still. they are very afraid what will happen now is that the sunnis might think they can again take over. >> bobby, i mean, you've worked in iraq for a long, long time and known maliki for a long time. do you have belief he's the leader that can reach out to sunnis and reach out to kurds. >> no, anderson. he's had plenty of opportunities to do that and he's doing none of it. he hasn't been doing it in the last 7 two hours when the pressure is great to do so. when it's clear his policies aren't succeeding, he's not shown flexibilities. i've known him for a long time. i met him before he was considered prime minister candidate and even back then, he was very much a shiite partisan and his policies in government have remained consistently
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proshiite and anti everybody else. >> bobby, to christiane's point, it's amazing to hear his name back in the mix. i remember a time, i think, it was 2004, u.s. troops almost arrested him for one of his aids, i think, giving information to iran, wasn't it? >> i think when you -- if the solution to the problem is him, then your country is in far greater trouble than you actually think. i think if you ran this down, you would find the person suggesting him is him. nobody in baghdad i have spoken to in the last 48 hours thinks of him as a serious of viable candidate. it's a sizable lead in iraq and a few years ago, nobody even heard the name nuri al-maliki. i wouldn't rule out the possibility of somebody whose name we are not considering emerging from the confusion as a possible candidate. what is important is to try and
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have some kind of a national coalition government. >> and christiane, it is important to point out, there is a constitutional process here should maliki choose to abide by it, they are supposed to work toward forming a new government and choosing a new prime minister in the next two weeks. that's not something the white house has been forcing, that's the constitutional process here. >> that's right, and the president mentioned again these elections happened. they were certified. maliki did get the most votes and they need to form a government. they need to get the system underway, and that has been not happened yet. so here is the thing, you've got several options here. you've got partition, the freezing of the lines as they are right now with the terrorist group in charge of one part of iraq or if this political thing doesn't work out, you've got a possibility that iran might see that it has to come in and save the shiites or the best case scenario and if john kerry can
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do this, who is being dispatched to the reeg th region and it's a very big if, to get u.s., iran, sod did arabia, all who have different ideas what should happen in iraq to use that influence to make what bobby was saying, a governing coalition, see if you can get a coalition or a leadership group of national unity and to try to keep iraq unified and democratic. >> christiane amanpour, thank you very much and bobby, thank you. >> any time, thank you. in all the talk about gio politics and the politicians, it's important to pause for a minute and remember what happened here over the last week and the death toll and the deaths of people whose names we won't remember or don't even know i should say whose stories we will never know but people trying to live good and descent lives, trying to raise their children, just trying to live in peace, who ended up being killed. take a look at this scene today
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as families grieved, 31 people killed in an assault by isis. they say fighters attacked three villages with mortars and burned houses. the bodies of the victims were brought to a mosque for prayers before being buried. >> coming up, counterterrorism that warned the bush administration before the september 11 attacks join me. we'll hear what richard clark thinks of isis and whether it should be doing so again and strong words about dick cheney's latest comments. that's next. also ahead, breaking news how dozens of cdc employ yeeees maye been exposed to anthrax and what happens now. we'll speak to dr. sanjay gupta. was getting him to wellness. , without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. from contractors and doctors to dog sitters and landscapers,
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interests in iraq right now? >> well, i think we should really have minimal interest. the major interest is in prev t preventing an al qaeda based. isis as we call it are an al qaeda branch. they are probably the most powerful branchs in the world certainly after they ripped off money from the banks in northern iraq. and so our goal has to be to split the sunni alliance so that the rest of the sunnis, the people we used to deal with deal with us again and help us go after al qaeda. now, the reason that our friends in the sunni alliance have turned against the government in baghdad is the government in baghdad is basically been iranian stuge and pursued anti iranian policies. >> is it essential nuri
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al-maliki has to lead? >> i think it is. despite the warnings and efforts to reach out to the sunnis and kurds, to have a real government of national reconciliation, he's consistently refused and been aggressively going after the sunnis. i think he has to go. i don't see anyway that the sunnis will have a government of national reconciliation as long as maliki is involved. >> i heard comments you made recently sort of skeptical of america's ability to affect change in a lot of places. do you think the united states can affect change here? >> well, anderson, we spent a trillion dollars. we had 4700 americans die and over 50,000 americans seriously wounded in order to try to affect change in iraq and it didn't work. so we have to be very careful about thinking we can affect change. that having been said, we should try in limited ways through
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intelligence means, through dip h m -- diplomatic means. we have to understand our essential interests. they are not to bring democracy to iraq. they are not to have iraq be a nice, functioning government. >> in a recent interview, you laid the blame for the current situation on the bush administration for intervening in 2003. you said quote, i don't want to say i told you so but this is foreseen. do you see what we're seeing now trace to that movement? i talked to tony blair who said it's about syrup ya and maliki, not back what happened in 2003 and subsequently. >> anderson, the 1991 at the end of the first gulf war i sat in the white house with then leadership of secretary defense cheney and brent and others and we contemplated whether to go into iraq and march to baghdad and secretary cheney and others
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said if you intervene in iraq, it will break into pieces into sunni and kurtish pieces and they were right. when the next president bush contemplated in 2003 going into iraq some of us said that again. if you invade iraq, it will break into three pieces as soon as you leave. that's what happened. we should have never gone in in the first place. the situation we face now is directly because we went in. >> so when you heard dick cheney's recent editorial, his writing with his daughter, i was curious to hear your response to his really blistering attack on the obama administration ask their foreign policy. >> dick cheney is a discredited hypocrite. he knew in 1991 that it was a mistake to go in. and that was the only time he's ever been right about iraq.
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why anybody would listen to dick cheney on iraq is beyond me. >> you said at one point, which i found interesting, what we're seeing is al qaeda fighting iran. something you said isn't necessarily a bad thing. can you explain that? >> well, the two forces that are really on the ground, both of which are enemies of the united states are fighting each other and that's al qaeda in their isis or incoronation on the one hand and they are fighting a regime backed by iran with iranian special forces advisors already on the ground. you know, if we could get the iranian special forces to fight al qaeda, that would be fun, i think for u.s. national interests. and so the fact that they are fighting each other isn't entirely bad. >> richard clark, appreciate you being on. >> thank you. >> you heard richard use the term diish, it's what isis is
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disturbing news, some of the best researchers at top research labs may have been exposed to a germ, the germ in question is an tracti -- anthrax. this time what happened at the cdc was accidental. chief medical correspondent c sanjay gupta joins us. how did this happen? >> you know, simply put, i think this was a messup either by an individual or group of individuals. this sort of thing should not happen. we're talking about some of the most dangerous pathigins that exist. they were transporting it from one laboratory to a lower level bio safety laboratory. what was supposed to happen,
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they were supposed to deactivate or inactivate the bacteria before they transferred it and wait 48 hours to make sure the bacteria were, in fact, inactivated. neither one of those steps seemed to happen. the inactivation process did not work. they did not wait 48 hours so the bacteria ended up in another lab where people thought it was essentially dead and it wasn't. so they may have been exposed. >> it's really scary. if someone has been exposed, what are the symptoms? >> well, the symptoms, if it's in -- there is three different types of anthrax. the inhaling one, the one that you breathe in, it can start vague. you can have flu-like symptoms. these anthrax spores get into the lungs and eventually cause significant problems with breathing, someone can develop sort of more wide-spread infections throughout the body, and look, this is deadly stuff. the last time we talked about this in a significant way was, you know, back in 2001. you'll remember back then we
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talked about mortality rates that could be 80 to 90%. people died back then, you remember because of anthrax spores transmitted through the mail. >> the people who have been exposed, they are already being treated, right? >> it's interesting. i talked to the officials over there. what they said, there were 75 people they are concerned about. they are either working in that lower bio safety lab where the live bacteria came or walking in the hallways outside the laboratory but for whatever reason, they were deemed as potentially being many x posed. they are offered antibiotics and they are offered to take it for 60 days, two months. they are very clear and not mandateed to take it. they are offered the anthrax vaccine. typically vaccines are given before an infection, prevent an infection but in this case, they may have some benefit to give it even now after an exposure. >> wow, it's unbelievable. sanjay, thanks very much.
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>> a law enforcement official says investigators don't expect to have an easy time getting information from amed abu khattala. in sea rather than air will give them more time to question them. the truck that rear-ended tracy morgan's limb ho was speeg 20 miles an hour over the speed limit. tracy morgan suffered broken ribs, leg and nose. one person died in the limbo. a judge today heard audio tapes of intimidating voice males that sterling left for doctors that certified him as mentally incapacitated. here is a recording. >> i'm not incompetent, you're an incompetent dr. i'm going to get you fired.
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>> the judge denied sterling's request from preventing sterling to contact the doctors and witnesses over the battle between the clippers. the fight continues. anderson? >> he called the doctor a tramp? that's weird. that does it for us. see you again at 11:00. another edition of 360. the decade that changed the the decade that changed the world starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com it is a mixture of pretty scenery, an ugly event. vietnam reports today of the bloodiest fighting in almost a year. >> we will not surrenderer, and we will not retreat. >> think you can win? i know we can win. >> they are being killed. >> stop ts
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