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thank both donna brazile and kevin madden, kind of. >> thank you, kevin. >> i'll thank kevin. >> as well as on facebook and twitter. tune in tomorrow. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> we're all friends. next major political news breaking at this hour. we now know the name of a republican senator allegedly targeted by an irs official. plus a teenager who plotted to bomb his school and kill his family. the chilling audio that goes inside his mind. and how safe is your food? our exclusive "outfront" investigation will make you think twice. this is pretty terrifying, but you must see it. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. so much to get to tonight, we want to begin with the war in iraq spreading fast, growing,
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not a regional war. tonight evidence of syria launching air strikes inside iraq. a u.s. official saying iran is flying drones over iraq and providing guns to the iraqi government. then prime minister nuri al maliki thumbing his nose for the united states' request to share power today. barbara starr at the pentagon. >> reporter: as iraqi forces battle militants west of baghdad there's disturbing evidence the war is now not limited by borders. in the iraqi town of al qaim, the carnage of syrian air strikes inside iraq. 57 iraqis killed, more than 120 wound up and down iraq's border with syria after syria launched air strikes inside iraq. the u.s. doesn't know yet if syrian president bashar al assad, who fights isis inside syria, has formally joined forces with iraqi prime minister
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nuri al maliki's regime. iran also deepening its involvement, flying surveillance drones over iraq, sending in its own military advisers, just as the u.s. does the same. with the iranians now trying to mobilize thousands of shia militiamen, in southern iraq, the war is widening. >> it's been widened in the last days with the reports of some people from iran being engaged in iraq with perhaps even some syrian activities therein. that's one of the reasons why government formation is so urgent. >> secretary of state john kerry is pushing for a unity government to be formed under iraq's constitution. kerry contends maliki is committed to that. but the iraqi prime minister rejected any idea of a temporary emergency government to deal with the crisis. again suggesting iraq's troubles were due to a conspiracy.
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>> translator: it is no secret to all iraqis the dangerous goal behind the call for a formation of a national salvation government as they call it. it is simply an attempt by those who rebel against the constitution to end the young democratic process. >> you know, the real question now, the real urgency is the military lay of the land inside iraq. whether iraqi forces will be able to push isis back from the areas they are controlling, whether iraqi forces can even hold on to what they have right now and, of course, the greatest urgency is for the iraqi forces to be able to hold on to baghdad. erin. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. a closed door briefing with general david petraeus just wrapped up on capitol hill. he was the top commander in iraq. joining me now is a republican congressman from texas. just came out of that briefing. what did the general tell you? >> he said it's a mess. and he went into some detail
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about the complexities. and you just heard some of them with barbara starr's report. the danger of a safe haven for terrorists from which attacks would be launched against us but also the danger of this broader sectarian war going on through the whole region. there are no easy answers. >> did general petraeus say there's a real threat by isis to the united states homeland? >> i don't want to get into quoting him exactly. he needs to speak for himself. there's no question there's a real threat to the u.s. homeland because a number of people with european and american passports have gone to syria to fight there and it will be relatively easy for them to come to europe and the united states and that's different from the way it used to be. it's different from the way it was in afghanistan. >> when you talk about these people that have u.s. passports, but this brings me to the crucial question here which is, i'm not surprised you just had that concern because you have said recently you're concerned
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that these terrorists are going to attack the united states. given that you see a direct threat to the u.s. homeland, are you willing to say that the u.s. needs to put boots on the ground, as many as it takes to stop isis before there's a terrorist attack in this country? >> no, because there's a tremendous cost to that, too. and so if we, the united states, are going to do something militarily, the question is what can we do that would be effective and also not contribute to this sectarian civil war. so in other words, you may think you're helping on one hand and you make the other problem even worse. that's part of the reason this is so complex is there is not a clear answer even to protect u.s. national security interests here. >> so i want to ask you about something else going on in your own caucus. the house speaker, of course, is getting a lot of coverage for this tonight. considering suing the president over his alleged abuse of executive powers and executive orders. i just wanted to play what john
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boehner said. >> are you planning to initiate a lawsuit against the obama administration and president obama over the use of executive action? >> i am. >> do you support john boehner in that, sir? >> yes, we have to do something to prevent the president from just enforcing the laws that he wants to and ignoring the laws he does not want to enforce. and by the way, there's a connection back to iraq for a second because if the president wants to take military action in iraq and syria, under what authority would he do so? he couldn't do it under the old authorization of to use force against iraq. that was for the saddam hussein regime. not only does this president seem to think he can bomb anybody in the world he chooses to without authorization from congress, he's -- >> except for syria where he claim to get your authorization but you said you were going to vote -- well, you were against that at the time. he said he was going to come to
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you to vote. >> he didn't. remember, he backed down. and he never came to us. >> that's because so many of you guys said you weren't going to vote for it. >> well, and that's the key. he's a president, any president has got to enlist the support of the country for a military action. and that is reflected through their elected representatives in congress. if a president cannot garner support for taking some action, then probably that action should not occur. and this president has real trouble getting support from either side of the aisle for any course of action in syria or, in this case, in iraq. >> now, what i'm curious about on this, and there are so many parallels in the war, president bush signed an executive order giving him the ability to label someone a combatant which made it easier to kill people overseas. in his first term, here's the numbers, you're no doubt aware of this. president obama has signed 197 executive orders. this is first term.
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i wanted to go apples to apples. carter 320, reagan 213, george bush 166, clinton 200, george b. bush 173. this president doesn't seem to be abusing this more than anybody else. >> to correct a point, a few days after 9/11 congress passed an authorization to use military force against terrorists and the president bush then operated based on that authorization. i think you're right. if you just look at numbers of executive orders, then it's not out of line. what is out of line, however, is saying that he would not enforce certain laws, that he would change other laws like with the health care and so a president who would pick and choose which laws to enforce presents real dangers to our system of government. the question is what do we do about it? and a lawsuit for the courts who are the third branch to resolve these disputes between the other
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two branches seems to make sense. i think that's the path the speaker's headed down. >> congressman, thank you very much for taking time to join us tonight. we appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> out front next, an exclusive investigation into america's food supply. how dangerous your dinner might be. i know a terrible time of day to do it but hopefully we'll have your full attention. hillary clinton on the defense about being called out of touch. and inside the mind of a would-be mass murderer. >> i was not bullied at all. i don't even thing i've ever been bullied in my life. i have good parents, i live in a good town. i think i'm just really mentally ill. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu.
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tonight details from a teen just days away from carrying out plans for a school massacre. john ladue tells police he was looking for, quote, as many victims as possible. planning to kill his family, set off bombs at his high school and shoot countless student. his plan thank god was thwarted. we'll speak with woman who thwarted it, who alerted police, in just a moment. why this boy in minnesota said he wanted to kill. >> i really want to get out of this place. >> reporter: in a chilling interview with investigators,
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17-year-old john ladue is heard revealing why he wanted to kill himself, his family and as many victims as possible at his high school in minnesota. >> if i was not bullied at all. i don't think i've ever been bullied in my life. i have good parents. i live in a good town. i think i'm just really mentally ill. and no one's noticed. i've been trying to hide it. >> reporter: yet it's those good parents and his older sister ladue allegedly wanted to murder. >> there's nothing wrong. i just want as many victims as possible. >> reporter: ladue calmly detailing step by step plans to set off bombs inside the hallways of his school. >> then my plans were to enter and throw molotov cocktails and pipe bombs and destroy everyone. and when the s.w.a.t. comes, i would destroy myself. >> reporter: in the hours-long interview, ladue claims to be different than the rest of the school shooters, including adam lanza who shot 26 at sandy hook
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elementary. >> i didn't want to prove that i was a wuss like all the recent shooters like adam lanza who shot himself. i wanted to like get taken down by the s.w.a.t. just to show i wasn't a wimp and like really fight with equal force. >> reporter: prior to his arrest, the 17-year-old posted videos ontube. testing explosive. when someone saw him acting suspiciously and called 911. in this interview ladue claims his father had no idea what's going on. >> he thinks i'm just a good kid because i can lie pretty well and persuade him that i'm just ordinary. >> reporter: he said he planted to shoot students with guns he stole from him. >> i don't think he wants -- he knows he got himself in a strange place and he wants out. >> that was miguel marquez reporting. that's hard to listen to that. now tonight the woman who is responsible for thwarting this
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killer's massacre. chelsea, thank you for coming on. you heard the report there, you know about the self-storage unit. you were there right across the street. you were looking out the window and you saw him and you got suspicious. what did you see? >> well, i was just watching tv, and i noticed someone walking, and i didn't pay much attention. then i looked up. and he was closer to my house, closer to the window. and i mean, it had been raining and snowing that day, so there was large puddles he had to walk through to get through the backyard to the storage unit. and i just kept watching him. and that's when i called my cousin katie up from downstairs and i told her, watch this, it looks like someone's breaking into the storage unit. he had a backpack on. like he planned on staying there. we didn't know if he was homeless or what he was doing there. so i was going to go out there and confront him, mott be rude or anything, just say, hey, there's other resources than
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sleeping on a cement floor in a storage unit. and katie's the one who told me absolutely not. you're not calling. so then i ended up calling police. and i told them it looks like someone has broken into the storage unit and looks like he's staying there. he's inside now. and within a matter of minutes, police arrived. >> and that saved -- if you heard his plans. you know this. here are more of his words i wanted to play for you, chelsea. >> okay. >> then my plans were to enter and throw molotov cocktails and pipe bombs and destroy everyone. when the s.w.a.t. comes, i would destroy myself. >> what's your reaction now when you hear those details, those words out of his mouth about that person that you saw, that you made that call? >> well, it makes you sick to your stomach just the thought of it. you know, he just needs help or
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something just obviously isn't right with him. we all can see that. there's no words to describe it to me. it just -- it makes my stomach hurt. >> your community's hailed you and your cousin as heroes. you did the right thing at the right time. and i'm wondering how you feel now knowing that what you did and the decision that you made probably saved so many lives? >> well, to be honest, it hasn't all sunken in yet. i'm just grateful that he decided to walk through my backyard that day. if i hadn't been there watching, been nosy, you know, we would probably still be mourning the deaths of family, friends, it would be devastating. >> thank god you were there and thank you for joining us, chelsea. >> thank you. >> amazon wants to use drones to deliver your packages.
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the drone, there were reports that the faa would get in the way and ban the devices that would deliver a package in less than 30 minutes. you might have seen the headlines, amman zo drone plan runs into the faa. faa, ama zone's planned drone delivery illegal. but that's not the case. amazon has so much money and power riding on this technology we wanted to get to the bottom of it richard quest is outside to fly such drone first thing you got amazon you got facebook you got google you got mcdonald's want to deliver to people's home. if droens were able to fly and deliver things the sky would be the limit. >> the faa is saying if you're a hobbyist if it's recreational if it's under 400 feet, then the faa's not interested. they're not going to regulate it if you're doing it safely. but commercial operations would not be recreational flights.
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flights for the furtherance of business would not be hobby flights and they are likely to be regulated. >> and who knows what that means. >> absolutely. >> but the ban won't be the thing. >> no, they won't be banned. they'll be regulated. what would that mean in reality. >> there we go. why is it that i'm supposed to swifble in my air while you get tot fly. >> because women shouldn't be driving these machines. >> oh, my god. what country am i in? so many things that i could say. i can feel the breeds over here. i'm getting goose bumps. >> can you imagine this coming down, thousands of them, comie ing down the road delivering 55-pound packages. we've got to be really kale, if i go too high. >> you're chicken, you're not flying it over here because i'm going to grab it out of the sky. >> that's fighting words. here we go. stand by.
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whoa, whoa, no, no! whoa. oh. now, what's your next question? >> my next question is if these things -- forget the fact that obviously you're a bad pilot, if the sky were black with drones, 100,000 drones a day in new york city delivering 55-pound packages, wouldn't they all about dropping packages on people's head and killing people? >> magic's broken. >> it's upside down, richard. he needed a woman to tell him that the drone was upside down. there you go. >> you were saying. >> what if they -- if there's serious risk in droens
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delivering things from amazon. >> yes, a serious problem if there were thousands of people doing this, but as you can see, as long as i can see the thing, they're happy with it. if you can't see it, it's commercial operation. once it starts getting -- >> and this model that we're looking at here which has four little fans on the top, this is what it would be like. this is what drones would look like? >> look at that, beautifully in control for the time being. >> see if you can land it. >> that's fighting words. >> if i were driving the drone it would have circled the room beautifully and come in for a perfect landing. oh, you missed. are you tired? distressed. what's your bottom line here on how much it would cost? if amazon was going to do this and i wanted to buy a 55-pound
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book, how much for delivery? >> we don't know yet. nobody has come up with numbers that make any sort of sense. the device is there, it works, it exists. in time it is going to be part of the future. get away from any idea that it's not. they'll find a way to make it work. >> i believe you on all that. but i can't believe how out of breath you are for running a remote control. thank you, richard quest. >> i'm going home. >> still to come, hillary clinton admits she made a mistake and our exclusive "outfront" investigation into your dinner. lawmakers are running for cover over this. >> excuse me, senator jackson. >> yes. >> are you doing all right? >> doing fine. >> i was hoping to talk with you, sir. >> i don't have anything to say to cnn. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well:
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political groups. now the chairman of the house ways and means committee is accusing her of targeting charles grassley for scrutiny. what's the alleged proof? >> erin, a series of e-mails released by republicans on the house ways and means committee suggests that in december of 2012 lois lerner asked another irs employee whether to refer for examination, another word for audit, an invitation for grassley to attend a speaking event. lerner wrote that it looked like they were inappropriately offering to pay for his wife, perhaps we should refer to examination. the official wrote back, he was not sure and suggested the invitation was not prohibited by law. congressional republicans are taking the position that lerner was attempting to get grassley audited. but it doesn't indicate whether she was talking about auditing the organization or the senator or more. >> there's confusion as to why the chief of the irs would be
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receiving an invitation for a senator to begin with. can't really add those pieces up yet. but what is chuck grassley saying? >> it sounds like envelopes got mixed up, but senator grassley said it was about him. this kind of thing fuels the deep concerns many people have about political targeting by the irs and by officials at the highest level. it's very troubling that a simple clerical mix-up could get a taxpayer immediately referred for an irs exam without any due diligence from agency officials. the irs told dierdre walsh that it can't comment on taxpayer matters but that it does have checks and balances to ensure fairness in the audit process and that audits can't be initiated solely by personal request, erin. >> joe, thank you very much. obviously very troubling when you consider, of course, that thousands of e-mails from lois lerner are now supposedly missing forever. paul, you just heard joe's reporting. what do you make of this?
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>> it's stunning. first off, it's incomplete. >> fair point. >> joe's the best in the business. but we don't have all the facts yet. i say that because when the first irs story came out that said they were unfairly targeting conservatives, i went ballistic. now we learn they're also targeting progressive groups. they're equally unfair, but still fair. nobody should be above the laws, not a senator, not anybody. but holy smokes, i never practiced law, but i'm trained as a lawyer. sending an invitation to someone and asking if their wife can come to a speaking engagement even if it's far away, it can't be a crime. it really does seem outrageous. let's wait and hear her side of it. she's taken the fifth which is her constitutional right to do. just as a political matter, good lord, how could it get worse? >> how could it get worse? we really need to get to the bottom of this, you can't just call for a special prosecutor. day after day, the chairman and the house ways and means
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committee and day after day this story gets worse and worse. everybody has a vested interest in making sure that the irs is a fair organization that abides by the letter of the law. it is time for a special prosecutor to be appointed. >> does this make this -- this becomes an issue where democrats thought the president was being targeted. republicans said there was a big cover-up. this is now another example. does this make this again something that everybody has to say it's time for a special prosecutor? >> i think so. i am trained as a lawyer, this is smelly, legally smelly in my view. when we were talking off camera about the e-mails that can't possibly be retrieved. that sounds kind of strange to me because i practice law and i know that you can retrieve e-mails from a hard drive that has been shot at, burned and thrown in the ocean. so the fact that all of these e-mails disappeared and now you have this which also looks like governmental overstepping, i think it is time to dig into
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this just a little bit further. this kind of behavior seems really, really, really outrageous. who doesn't hate the irs? i mean, you know, the agency has just so much power, subpoena power even when you look at that. i think there's something that needs to be done. >> the other big story today before this breaking news happened that we were very eager to talk about, but i still am is hillary clinton, coming out and talking all right, i made a mistake. she claims she and her husband were dead broke when they left the white house in 2001 and she talked about other people who were really wealthy unlike them with their 100 million in pennies, anyway, here's how she's just responded to that. >> i shouldn't have said that i picked five or so words that i said, but my inartful use of those few words doesn't change who i am, what i've stood for my entire life, what i stand for today. bill and i have had terrific opportunities, both of us, you
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know, have worked hard but we've been grateful for everything that we've been able to achieve. and sadly, that's just not true for most americans today. >> she's talking to gwynn eiffel there, sunny. did she explain this away? >> maybe she was watching your show because if you remember last week i said the words were inartful. and they certainly were. i don't think she explained it away appropriately. the notion to say, look, maybe the words were inartful, but you know me, you know my history. well, no, the average american is not going to take that at face value. the african-american, latino voters aren't going to take that at face value because they heard all the other messy stuff already. they're now saying, you know what, hillary, i'm not relating to you. you already made these comments. so you need a little bit more. i think she really needs to explain. >> she also had said we pay -- this is her quote to the "guardian" newspaper which caused this whole discussion. we pay ordinary income tax unlike a lot of people who are
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truly well off. first of all, there's the estimates of their wealth being $100 million. then there's the fact that we all know, which is most of that money is invested, not ordinary income. they're paying much, much lower tax rates on that. so the statement probably isn't even true. >> well, i'll leave that to you. i'm sure you've investigated her tax returns. >> i'm simply saying -- >> but don't make -- look, if she runs, she will have to release her tax returns, not by law, but by custom. mitt romney didn't. but i'll call on her to do it. everyone running for president should release their tax returns, going back tofor years. i totally disagree with sunny. i watched those clips. i've been with her, traveled with her the last few years when i worked with the president. she looked right there at the cnn town hall meeting the other day, she was completely engaged with them, talking about everything from iraq and
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immigration all the way to marijuana and being a grandmother, she was completely relating to that audience. it's more difficult for her. she's a middle class girl from the midwest, that's how she grew up. it's difficult for her to talk about money and her personal walth. no doubt. that's why she fumbled the ball there. voters relate to her. when she ran against barack obama a pretty good politician, she whipped him amongst middle class voters in the pennsylvania primary which i only looked up. i don't think she'll have a problem. >> there's another reason she may have done well in the rust belt and west virginia and these other areas. she had particular inroads there for maybe other reasons. look, what's really interesting is that the clintons are definitely in damage control mode. he had to speak up, she's spoken up. now they bring out the big guns like paul begala. >> no, cnn brought me out. >> i read your op-ed on cnn.com today justifying a wealthy president. you make good points. >> which was requested by cnn.
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cnn contacted me and asked if i would write that. >> okay, okay. but the point is her favorability has actually gone down five points in the last few weeks. this has suffered. they realize that he hit a road block here. there's a narrative solidifying that is she going to be relatable? she hasn't driven a car in 16 years. she's been driven around because she's the first lady or a secretary of state or a senator. >> which is a pioint she made herself. >> this goes to what her largest vulnerability will be if she decides to run. she's a washington insider. the country is going through a throw the bums out phase, this won't be hillary clinton's moment. >> and is it necessarily like the average middle class american, and she needs those votes. she needs the african-american votes. you know that, paul. >> isn't that the whole charade they always play, i'm like you
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but really i'm not. i'm elite, but i'm not going to admit it. >> if you want to become the first female president, you have to get the female vote. you have to get the vote of the single mother who is trying to make ends meet who is working maybe a minimum wage job and is still having trouble finding day care for her kid. when you say i'm really not that wealthy, that woman is going to say, wow, you aren't going to do for me. i don't care what you did in the past. you'll get into the white house and you won't help me. i cannot relate to you, you may not get my vote. that's something, paul, she has to suggest. i like hillary clinton. i want to see a woman in the white house. i want to see her in the white house. but she's got to relate to people like me. she's got to relate to those moms who are going to say my vote isn't guaranteed. >> paul, final words. >> she does have to relate to them, and she has and she will. i give those voters a whole lot of credit. they're going to look at her ideas and issues.
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if anybody believe that 2 1/2 years before the election that there's a road block for any candidate, that's nuts. they're going to look at her record, which is terrific on fighting for middle class, do exactly what sunny says, are you for minimum wage, child care, equal pay for women, guess you are on my side, even if you're rich. >> stumbles like this don't get washed away. ask chris christie if bridgegate was a stumbler or not. >> bridgegate? she was embarrassed to say how rich she is. that isn't exactly screwing up people for hours. >> chris christie didn't shut down the bridge. >> we don't know that. >> come on, you guys. >> we also don't know whether that's going to impact him or not. that's a question. >> some say it will, some say it won't. >> but in terms of narratives. >> thanks very much to all. this is a conversation which will continue, there's no question about that.
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now anderson has a look at what's coming up on "ac 360." sorry. >> that's okay we change the name constantly. cooper harris strapped in the back of his dad's parked suv in the hot atlanta sun while his dad went to work. inside work all day, left him there in the car. cooper harris is now dead. the question authorities are asking was it a terrible accident or something much more sinister. did his father intend to kill him? victor blackwell has details on the ongoing investigation. another disturbing sign out of iraq. two neighbors countries violating the country's air space with syria launching deadly air strikes killing civilians. nic robertson reports. even the capital itself could be vulnerable to attack. all that and tonight's ridiculist. >> that story about that toddler is just horrific. >> unbelievable.
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>> this year millions of pounds of meat have been recalled because it's not safe for human consumption. e. coli to salmonella. for years one of the only ways that we the public has actually found out this, gotten the truth, seen the unsafe handling of animals in our food supply is through undercover video shot by activists. what you are about to see in this cluesive investigation is very graphic but we feel the images are crucial to the story. now the agriculture agency wants to stop this kind of undercover work so the public will never see that video. >> reporter: this undercover video given to cnn shows chickens being buried alive. workers at prince poultry, a north carolina chicken farm, toss sick, injured and unwanted chickens into a pit filled with decaying birds, leaving them to die. listen to what this farmhand says to an undercover animal rights activist.
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>> theers still alive. should we hit them? >> no, we'll drop them in the pit just like they are. mother nature takes care of the rest of them. >> oh. >> you go here in the summertime and it smells real nice over there. you look down in there and it's like a gravy that's simmering and squirming. >> even more outrageous, the employee knew he was breaking rules by not killing the chickens humanely. >> if you got buckets and buckets, are you going to stand there all day? you're supposed to do it. >> reporter: the activist recording the video was posing as an intern. she didn't want her identity revealed. >> i saw cruel practices from the first day to the final day. i'd say everything that you see in the footage is standard there. >> reporter: animal activists have used undercover video to document illegal abuse and neglect for years resulting in criminal charges, fines and even the largest meat recall in
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american history. but their most important tool is under attack. the agriculture industry is pushing legislation that would essentially outlaw these undercover investigations and the videos they produce. in the last two years three states have passed so-called ag gag laws and 14 should scar every american because americans have a right to know what is happening with their food. they have a right to know where their food is coming from. >> reporter: in north carolina where this disturbing video was shot, brent jackson introduced a bill that would make shooting this type of video a crime. we wanted to ask why. senator jackson? >> yes. >> reporter: are you doing all right? >> dog >> doing fine. >> reporter: we were hoping to talk to you. >> i don't have anything to say to you. >> reporter: i was looking for tim prince. >> you got him.
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>> reporter: he's the owner of prince poultry where the chickens were buried alive. he's surprised to learn his former intern was an undercover. >> she took the my newt things we done wrong. >> reporter: when other folks look at this and they see live chickens get dropped into a pit, they might not call that my newt. >> you're probably right. >> reporter: he admits the chickens should have been killed before being thrown in the pit but he does take care of the birds. they are his livelihood. >> i try to run a clean business, and, you know, there was a few things on there i saw that shouldn't happen, yes, sir, i'll agree. >> what we documented is so bad that we hope that state authorities will get involved and prosecute this case for burying birds alive. that was his choice in terms of how to operate his facility. >> reporter: prince grows about a million chickens a year for pilgrims pride, the second largest chicken producer in the
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world. pilgrim said in part, out of an abundance of caution, we retranled the grower in question and his employees. pilgrim's priorities the welfare of our chicken whether under our direct care. there is little federal oversight of these facilities so undercover watchdogs are often the only way abuses are uncovered. at another farm in wisconsin, an activist for peta captured this undercover video. the group says they documented pigs so sick, their intestines were hanging outside their bodies. others seemed unable to walk. we tried to get reaction from the farm owner. the company's veterinarian didn't want to appear on camera but said the allegations were untrue, even before he said the video. >> any allegations are false because i know what goes on in the barn. >> reporter: eventually he watched the video twice and said
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it was taken out of context. later, a third party audit of the farm in question is being conducted. based on the findings, we'll make appropriate corrective actions if needed. in both cases, it was the activists undercover video that brought apparent mistreatment to life but if supporters of ag gag laws are successful, these would be out lawed and the abuses they uncover kept behind closed doors. >> it is really difficult to watch, chris, incredible reporting. what would be the argument for making those videos illegal? >> erin, if you lookperspective. here is a north carolina chicken farm and he's working on land his family owned for generations. he said this activists came and took video out of context. he thought he was helping a college intern and finds out that it's really an undercover animal rights activists from washington d.c. based group.
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so some of these ag gag propels would make it illegal to misrepresent yourself when applying for these jobs and make it illegal not to disclose you work for an animal right's group for instance. the activists say if they don't go in there undercover, there is no way people will expose it to >> good point. not like anyone else was taking those videos. chris, thank you very much. well, next, the science of slapping. jeannie mose is next. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein.
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began things like first sniff. and now first kiss is taking it in the kisser. >> oh my god. >> reporter: the slap is not meant as a slap in the face to first kiss. >> oh [ bleep ]. >> reporter: you got hit a lot of times. >> i got hit a total of 50, 55 times. >> reporter: director max landis asked 40 of his friends to slap each other. some were close. >> have to take off my glasses before hand. >> reporter: some were strangers, 15 of them were actors. >> hailey, nice to meet you. >> nice to meet, you, too. i'm excited to hit someone. >> reporter: someone she's excited to hit is hailey joe osbon from the "sixth sense." now he's seeing stars.
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>> can i do it again? >> please. >> reporter: that's what most of them intended to say. >> harder. >> reporter: are you going for deep philosophy here or funny? >> i was going for funny and i found a little bit of deep philosophy. the theory i had is that violence minus aggression is intima intimacy. >> reporter: here i thought violence minus aggression was is masikism. he says a slap without aggression is a hug but don't tell cher that. there were patty cake slaps. one said i want to slap myself for reading this nonsense but we know who would approve.
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some think men slapping women is creepy. >> this isn't domestic violence. >> reporter: slaps from one set of cheeks to another, at least no one was injured in the making of this video, just slapped silly. >> i can't hear now. >> reporter: jeanne moos cnn new york. >> thanks for watching. >> thanks for watching. anderson starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, how would a pararent leave a toddler in a hot car all day killing the toddler. l late details, what we're learning goes beyond that one terrible question. syrian air strikes and drone flights, is iraq completely up for grabs? role, if any, is left for the u.s. one top expert that helped keep iraq in one piece before talks about whether it's possible to hold it together now.
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