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right there to see, still present and coming to terms with it not an abstract discussion, but the daily business of life. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. it was hard to believe that five years ago michael jackson died. his doctor, conrad murray found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, spending two years behind bars. but that is not the end of the story. tonight you're going to hear from dr. conrad murray. there he is, live right here. it is his first and only american interview since his release from prison, and he says he wants to set the record straight once and for all. plus, talk about ripped from the headlines. the army investigating sergeant bowe bergdahl, special forces operatives lure the benghazi suspect into a trap.
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it's almost as if hollywood wrote it. so who better to talk than than the man behind "homeland", howard gordon. and it could be the biggest world cup game yet, team usa versus germany tomorrow. we're going preview it for you. and as always, we want to know what you think about all of this. make sure you tweet us using the #askdon. dr. conrad murray as he sits here right in front of me live this evening. doctor, many people were wondering why we should give you a platform on the anniversary of michael jackson's death. like joe on twitter, why has michael's killer given air time. that's what she said. show some respect on our legends anniversary. i believe if we played by those rules, we would never do an interview. and i believe in transparency and having as much information as possible. dr. murray agreed to do this interview knowing that no question is off limits, and he has promised to answer each of them candidly and honestly. correct? > that's correct. >> let's move on now.
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before we get started, i want to go back to the trial that sent, dr. murray to prison for your role in michael jackson's death. here is cnn's sarah sidon. >> we the jury in the above everyone titled action find the defendant conrad robert murray guilty. >> reporter: dr. conrad murray spent two years in prison, convicted of involuntary manslaughter for providing the king of pop an overdose of the powerful anesthetic propofol. it was supposed to help michael jackson sleep. instead, it killed him. his family and fans were devastated. ♪ never can say goodbye >> reporter: back in 2009, as michael jackson rehearsed for his upcoming this is it world tour, he struggled with his pain and trouble sleeping. dr. murray was his personal physician. a month and a half before jackson died in his bedroom, the star's voice was recorded on murray's cell phone. it was entered into court evidence.
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>> i want them to say he's the greatest entertainer in the world. >> reporter: prosecutors made the case that the drug induced slurred speech was a clear sign that jackson was out of control, and dr. murray should have known that he needed to be weaned off propofol. instead prosecutors say the doctor ordered more. but murray has maintained he was trying to wean the star off the drug, and it was jackson who self-administered the fatal dose. but jury blamed dr. murray for jackson arizona's death, saying he was responsible. dr. murray went to prison, his medical license revoted in texas and suspended in california and nevada. eight months ago, his time served, he walked out of prison. >> this is part of the untold story. >> reporter: murray is vowing to get his medical license back. he has even published his own video to reassert his claim that he was wrongfully convicted. his attorney says he may appeal his case all the way to the supreme court. >> he has been adamant about his innocence.
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and after spending two years on the case, i truly believe in him. and i believe he was wrongfully convicted also. >> reporter: sara sidner, cnn, los angeles. >> joining me exclusively to tell his side of the story is dr. conrad murray. when i said what the person said in that tweet, murderer, you flinched. why? >> well, i'm not. >> killer? >> not. >> not? not. so that bothers you. before we get to the video that talks about dr. conrad murray talks, it's 7:00 p.m. on the west coast, 10:00 on the east coast. five years ago, what were you doing at this very moment? >> oh, my gosh. at this time, it was just monumental grief. an unexpected, surreal situation. i cannot believe the changes that happened within a couple of hours. it was just impossible. it was just unfathomable.
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i could not believe that just hours ago, i was trying to muster all the strength i can to save the life of a friend and a patient, and here i am on to the spotlight, all focus, fingers pointing as though i'm the one to blame. >> were you still at the hospital? i know you went to the ambulance with him. >> i stayed in the hospital until near 6:00, maybe 5:30. >> pacific time? >> yes. >> so at this time were you back at his mansion? where were you? >> this time i would probably be at home. i got home to the apartment. >> let's -- i want to -- what do you remember about that day? because i've done several documentaries, and i start them by saying on the morning, he did everything that he, you know, preparing for a show, that he loved, preparing for a show. what do you remember about that day? >> well, you know, what time of day? talk about the time he came home, which is the night before, around 1:00, just shortly after 1:00. and he just was not able to sleep. >> okay.
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here is the timeline. just to refresh your memory. so 1:00 a.m., murray summoned to jackson's home, right? 1:30 a.m., 10 milligram tablet of valium. 2:00 a.m., two milligrams of lorazepam. >> lorazepam. >> injected into him. 3:00 a.m., two milligrams of midazolam. and 5:00 a.m., more lorazepam, 2 milligrams. and 7:302 milligrams and propofol diluted 25 milligrams. >> so you can summarize, make it simple. 4 milligrams of lorazepam given to him during the time you spoke about and 4 milligrams of midazolam. >> so why -- were you ever worried about administering so many drugs to michael jackson? did you ever think, you know, this person could die giving him so many drugs? >> certainly i didn't think michael jackson would die from 4 milligrams of lorazepam or 4 milligrams of midazolam.
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we do that all the time in the hospital. i was very cautious in terms of giving michael jackson that medication to sleep. before that time, michael jackson was on propofol. and i had warned him successfully off of propofol up to three days prior to his death. he never received propofol. >> but not successfully. why did he go back on? >> he did not go back on. before that i would treat him with an infusion, which was continuous. but the day he died, i did tell the police that i relented after all of the pressure and all of the changes that michael was going through, unbeknownst to me because he was in withdrawal of another substance. >> which was? >> demerol. >> demerol. which was brought about -- which your lawyers asserted in trial that he was on demerol. >> he was on demerol for years and decades. if you see the doses that were given, if you look back into the video, from dr. klein. he made michael jackson a drug addict from demerol.
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>> what were the changes you said because the changes his body was going through? >> it was like michael was a hamster. could not sit down, could not rest, was restless and he cried and craved sleep. >> you said that actually this trial. let's listen to when you said he was like on a hamster wheel. in the video you have, dr. conrad murray talks. watch. >> so in michael's case, what he needed at night was not demerol, it was not propofol, excuse me. he needed to have demerol. but since his supply chain was cut from beverly hills, he was on his own. and he had never shared that with me. so i had no idea why it was so impossible to see michael like a hamster that night. couldn't sit down, couldn't restless, looked as though he was out of the movie "thriller." and i could not imagine that he was doing something like this.
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had i had any knowledge, his treatment would have been different. he would have been taken to a hospital for acute withdrawal from opioids, and he would have been treated accordingly. >> in the video that is posted on your website, that you go through all the evidence in the trial and you knock it down you. refute what you think is wrong about the trial you. said you didn't know that about him. shouldn't you have known as his physician? >> if i made inquiries of michael as far as drug use and he never give the information up, how would i get it? i mean, i would have to depend on my patient to tell me the truth. and i never got the information from michael. >> my question is you say he was like a hamster. why would you leave him alone for any amount of time? >> it was not that i was leaving michael alone. so many times michael left me alone. >> but on that night you did? >> i never left him during that night. he left me. there are two suites, an exclusive bedroom where i am not allowed. his children sometimes are
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invited. and the suite where i treated michael. he was clearly able to wander off. he has a saline bag with a trip on wheels. there was a catheter attached to him because he had some incontinence issues. but he would wander off and come back. >> so what you're asserting is on that evening with all of those drugs that he left where you were watching him and then went to another part of the bedroom. but in trial you said that you left to use the rest room, and you were taking a phone call. >> that wasn't until the next day. that was the next day after around 11:20 in the morning, 11:20, 11:30. >> when did you realize he was in trouble? >> was what? >> when did you realize he was in trouble? >> when i came back into the room after i had gone away, called my office, made some calls. whatever calls i was making was to make sure my registration in england was complete because i had to be his physician over there and i didn't want to go practice without having registration. i was just about getting that done, the time zone, the
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difference, were taking care of that. so part of the telephone calls to my office were related to that situation. i was away from him for 11:25 to 11:30. that was way beyond any medicine that i give him would have had any effect at all. >> so do you take any responsibility in michael jackson's demise, in his death? >> you know, i am very remorseful that michael has passed away. michael was a friend. and he touched me in so many ways that i felt like a father figure to michael, though i wasn't old enough to be his dad. i felt as though i was protecting michael all the time. i did. >> people say they don't seem -- they don't think that you have shown any remorse. is there -- would you like to apologize to anyone? what would you like to say? because they -- why -- as a physician, as michael's physician, you were responsible for him while you were
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administering drugs. you're responsible for the drugs that were brought into his home. you were his personal physician. >> i think you ask a good question. first of all, i met michael jackson with a stash of propofol. the investigation will also show that there are doctors who could have testified that he came to them with a sports medicine bag filled with propofol, vials. the history of the civil trial has shown he was using it for decades long before i was on the scene. i met michael jackson in 2006. >> but you didn't have to stay. you didn't have to take the job. >> i did not have to take michael job. and michael convinced me that i was working so hard saving lives as an acute interventional and cardiology, several lives daily and working long hours, he wanted me to take some time off and travel, read some books with him and just meet a bunch of high-powered kings and queens around the world. but i give michael a sense of confidence and protection that he never had. and he was not about to lose that. >> you were saying it wasn't for the money you wore making?
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>> oh, gosh. >>. no. >> it was out of the goodness of your heart. not everybody is going to believe that. >> first of all, have i taken care of michael jackson for years. out of the goodness of my heart, i have given all my services for him and his children basically free. >> were you ever paid? >> michael jackson refunded me for medicines, but have i never been paid for my service. >> stand by, dr. murray. when we come right back, we'll talk about your trial and whether justice was served. we'll take you thins trial and show you information that you have never seen. >> both "the los angeles times" and cbs news are both now reporting that michael jackson has died. cnn has not confirmed that. but "the l.a. times" and cbs news are reporting that michael jackson, 50 years old, the king of pop, has died. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants,
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this is the fifth anniversary of michael jackson's death, and now the man who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, dr. conrad murray is back with me exclusively. this is his first and only exclusive american interview since he got out of prison. he has agreed no question is off limits and he is going to answer everything honestly. i want to talk to you -- you talk a little bit about why you took the job and stayed on, even though you knew that michael had some issues. did you identify with him? what did you see in michael jackson? that drew you to him and someone
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michael who was scared of his own pain, maybe? >> like a fan, like somebody who got to know michael jackson, michael jackson lived a life of pain. for so many years, decades, his entire life, his existence. and after i learned what all of the pain that followed him, i could not help but be sympathetic to this man. i could not help but be empathetic. i could not help but to wear his shoe and i could not help but to listen to him. >> but do you think that -- you said as fan. did that cloud your judgment because in the end, it seemed that you did him more harm than good, no? >> never. i was hired to make sure that michael jackson stay healthy. but i was also -- i agreed with a.g. and those who were taking care of michael's finances that i would show up about four weeks and wind my practice down easily. however, i was hustled to
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california, because the show was off track. it was going nowhere. >> was this because of michael jackson's health? >> because of michael's performance. he was not rehearsing. he was not doing anything. >> because he couldn't sleep? >> and ag had already spent $40 million. >> why wasn't he rehearsing or doing anything? >> i had no idea. >> so they thought it had something to do with his health or medically? >> i'm not sure what ag was thinking. >> did you think that he was up to this mammoth 50 show extravaganza that he was to star at in london? >> he was not. >> okay. >> michael was offered 31 and subsequently to 50. but no one knows that he was actually offered 100 shows. >> this is something, and by the way, i covered your trial. i was there. i sat right behind the family, right behind the mom and the dad. and i want -- this was very -- when they played it, very emotional in court. when they played it, you recorded michael talking about the show. let's listen. >> people people leave this
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show, when people leave my show, i want them to say i've never seen nothing like this in my life. go. go. i've never seen nothing like this. go. it's amazing. he's the greatest entertainer in the world. >> dr. murray, that is disturbing. anyone in that condition, why would you continue to give him drugs and then give him propofol? and why would you record that? >> well, first of all, i was accused of recording that so i can take advantage of michael down the road. and that was not the case. i did not even recognize or realize that that recording was actually on my phone. michael had asked me could i look back how much he snores at night. and he wanted to record that,
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not only on tape, but on camera. i actually had just learned from my daughter who taught me to do talks and one of the apps on the phone. >> how to work it. but the question behind that, so you were trying to monitor his sleep pattern, whether or not he was snoring. >> that's exactly how that was done. i look back in retrospect, yes. >> so why would you continue? if he was -- >> good question. if you look -- if you listen to that recording, you hear man that is clearly in the sleep state of going to sleep. but he is alert. his conversation makes sense. >> his mind is still active. >> if you look at my statement to the police, i explain to the police all that michael jackson wanted, including children's hospital. michael was just reiterating his dream to me. at the end of that recording, did you hear what he says in the end? he says i'm asleep. >> i'm asleep. okay. let's move on. let's talk about the drugs, more about the drugs. i want to play this bit from my documentary, and then we'll talk about it.
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>> two bottles of lorazepam. >> the d.a. added into evidence each vial and bottle found at michael jackson's house. one after -- >> 20 milliliter propofol bottles -- >> after another. >> to take a patient with valium, lorazepam, midazolam, and propofol, and to leave them unattended in that state is medical abandonment. >> did you abandon michael jackson, your friend, medically? are you guilty of that? >> absolutely not. he is way off-field. a clear definition in medicine, and that's not the case. neither did i abandon him on anything he was given. have i said very clearly if michael jackson was in the prop follow infusion that was a drip for three hours as dr. shafer stated from 9:00 until 12:00 and
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i left him with an infusion run, i would be guilty as sin, and i can accept that. but he was not. >> and this bag that was ripped over with the propofol bottle laying inside the bag? >> interestingly. >> you talk than on your video. >> propofol comes with a hanging sleeve. it's almost like you would a can of soda. you pop it open. you hang the bottle. that bottle was discovered with that device being completely intact. why would i take something so simple, take a bag, cut it open, empty the fluid, and then stick a propofol bottle inside the bag and take the bag to become the hanging contraption. >> if you knew all of this. >> yes. >> and everyone kept saying is he going to take the stand? why didn't you do it at trial? were you thinking all of this at trial? >> because they had never proven a case. first of all, they needed to have a drip, a continuous infusion that was not the case. if you look at the numbers -- >> but my question, dr. murray, why didn't you take the stand in defense of yourselves? >> because my attorney and i
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agreed they had not proven the case against me so there was no reason to take the stand that was the legal advice. >> your attorney was wrong. >> well, would it have changed anything, don? if you look at the d.a., district attorney walgreen that altered evidence in the courtroom, tampered evidence outside of the courtroom also, yet still jurors are sitting there watching a prosecutor alter evidence to make his case win, and they would still find a man guilty. >> quickly you go through all of the claims about coercion and collusion of witnesses and all of that. the appeals court said it will not rehear your case. >> they have made mistake. they have toobins. i have never given michael jackson with three tube. and if california does not help me to right this wrong, i'm going to the supreme court, the law of the land.
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i must believe that our judicial system does have integrity somewhere. >> stay with me. dr. murray, in some ways you knew michael jackson better than anyone. you were the last person to see him alive. when we come right back, we'll talk about who michael was behind those closed doors. >> aj, cnn can now confirm from the l.a. coroner that michael jackson is dead. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america.
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michael jackson was loved by millions of people all around the globe, but no one was a part of his world the way dr. conrad murray was. and he is back with me now exclusively. you were the last person to see michael jackson alive. >> correct. >> so i want you to take us inside of that room, and i want you toe tell us about your relationship with him first. but i want you to hear from some of your patients what they said about you. >> he saved my life, and we've grown close over the last 11 years. >> we're all alive today because of dr. murray. he is a great man. >> he is the most compassionate man that i've ever met. the best doctor i've ever had. >> what is your reaction to that? do you miss practicing medicine? >> of course. i have never worked a day in my life because i have enjoyed doing it so much and making the difference in the lives of many. >> you realize that you're vilified around the world, right?
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i'm sure you realize that. >> that may be so. but i'm not a villain. i can tell you -- just let me take you back briefly. dr. shafer stated that i was reckless, that i used propofol at home and that should never be done. all of the doctors who testified in the trial. yet while i was being vilified by dr. shafer, he was protecting dr. robert markman, a doctor who had used propofol 500 times or more over years for general anesthesia for his daughter. and i was using it for three days. he defended that doctor as if there was nothing wrong with him. >> and you talk than doctor again. >> absolutely. all the details a are sure. >> i want to hear about this person you call your friend. you say you knew him better than anyone towards the end of his life than anyone, correct? >> yes. >> did he share secrets with you? >> of course.
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the most hidden treasure trove of his life is with me. but have i protected michael up until now. >> up until now? >> of course. of course. >> i've said nothing that has been inflammatory about my friend. i protected michael. you see, when i had -- the officials and they pointed to michael, the guy who could not pay me for months after taking care of him, and said that he could not pay for the popsicle his daughters were using, the toilet paper that they were using to wipe their private areas, that he was penniless, i was shocked. it was that time when michael came to me trembling and trying to get me away from the a.g. official who was randy phillips. i was shocked. i should have just picked my bottles up and leave if i was looking for money. it wasn't about the money. it was about the love of michael. i have suffered a lot.
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there is no doubt about it. i don't hate michael. michael did not do me wrong. he did not want this to happen to me. whatever happened to michael when i was not there is probably his own misjudgment. and i believe that that clearly happened because he was illogical, he was irrational and he was in the withdrawal state of demerol that dr. klein was feeding him. >> you believe he gave himself the final dose? >> the premises wasn't breached there was no one else in the house int the upper chambers with michael and myself. i was away from him. the record shows that. >> but again i ask, should you have been him? >> no. that's a good question. because i gave michael jackson 25 milligrams of propofol over three to five minutes. all of the doctors, seven doctors in the test trial assured there could be no propofol effects after ten, maximum 15 minutes by rogers, which is what i told police. if i give michael jackson between 10:40 and 10:5025
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milligrams of propofol, the effect would be gone by 11:00. >> you believe according to medical standards you were reasonable with that. >> absolutely. >> so you said you haven't shared any secrets of michael's until now. do you plan to? is there anything you want to tell us? >> i would not share with you any hidden secrets of michael. not that time. >> how long you going to be silent? >> how long am i going to be silent? as long as i wish to. i really -- >> one day will you tell? >> i can't answer the question to be totally honest. and i don't know. i still protect michael. >> what is your life like now? everywhere you go, today you went somewhere, and i saw a picture of you getting milk, and they said oh, that's what michael jackson called propofol, milk. and that must be some sort of, you know, there is a message that you're sending. >> tabloids will twist anything, milk. they have called michael all kinds of names. have i not. my life is certainly a struggle.
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i'm doing the best i can to put it back on track do. >> you get depressed? >> me? no. >> how do you take care of yourself? >> family and friends, the goodness of family. >> kindness. so you have no job and you're working for the trinidad medical -- >> i am not working for trinidad medical government. i have volunteered to bring cardiac surgery for the pediatric children more available. >> so you have no income? >> none. >> none at all? >> none. >> have to ask you this. michael jackson's children. >> yes. >> some of them are doing okay. some are suffering horribly. his girl tried to commit suicide according to reports. what do you say? they were there that night or that afternoon watching their father, if not dying, already dead. >> yeah. >> what do you say to them? >> oh, my gosh. the loss is monumental. i grieve for michael every day. and i grieve for those children.
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i was the only person that michael brought to his attention of all his families and friends who were still hugging his children. they would come into my arms every day. that warms his heart. his father had never done that his mother and sisters were never embracing the children. i was at the hospital the day that michael passed away. and they did not put an arm around the children. the only time i saw an arm around paris is when she cried on stage and i saw her aunt place her hands over. was she trying to shut her up or really trying to comfort her? i don't know. but i love those children. and you know what? maybe there will be a day when they would like to speak with me. and i am quite open. have i nothing to hide. >> do you have anything to say to his family, to his mother? >> michael loved his mother of the only other relatives he had. prior to his death he announced to me he had four family members besides himself -- paris,
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michael, and prince michael, blanket and dr. conrad. that was his family. everyone else was totally absolved from his life. he used his mother only because she may be the only chance of maybe having some way to pacify things between the differences in the family. but not -- but he did not have a relationship with any members. >> and you're the only one people hold responsible for his death, and you went to prison. >> you know, have i been hurt. there is no doubt about it. but i carry no anger. i would not allow them to do that to me. i would like to hopefully one day use my testimony so that it can prevent others who have undergone injustice, innocent men go to prison all the time. maybe they should wear one of the shoes. now let me say something about the fans, for example. there are all kinds of fans. there are those who are diehards and have their reasons, and there are many who have. i am michael's fan.
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>> right. >> but regardless. >> okay. >> do you think you deserve a second chance? a new beginning? you would like to practice medicine again. >> absolutely. >> sometime second chances are new beginnings. you can't go back and do what you did before. maybe you'll have to do something else. >> i will serve humanity. >> thank you, dr. conrad murray. appreciate you. best of luck. >> thank you. next the stranger than fiction stories of bowe bergdahl and the benghazi suspect. and it is hot in here or have we all got world cup fever? we're going to preview team usa's big game against germany tomorrow. make sure you tweet us using the #askdon. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yeah. everybody knows that. did you know there is an oldest trick in the book? what? trick number one. look-est over there.
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east-based drama. and howard gordon joins me now live. you are a busy man. i don't know if it's life imitating art or art imitating life, but you're right on top of it. i wanted to get your take on the supreme court decision just this morning that unanimously ruled that police cannot search the cell phones individuals, any criminal suspects or anyone without a warrant. what do you think of this? >> i'm going to plead the fifth. i haven't read enough about it to comment intelligently. what do you think about it? >> i think it's great. you should always have a cause and always be able to get a search warrant. i think it's in the right direction. i wondered if you thought it was step in the right direction because you talk about terrorism and counterterrorism in your shows so much. but we'll move on. let's talk about the recent release of taliban captive bowe bergdahl, right? it's got people talking about the similarities with your hit show "homeland." were there any similarities in your eyes, gordon? >> yeah. surprisingly, and i think coincidentally, but i think, you
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know, we really do tell stories from the same ether that we're all living in. and i think it was kind of uncanny some of the similarities, sure. >> so i call you gordon like people call me lemon. i know it's howard. >> it's a hazard of having two first names. >> do people do that all the time? >> all the time. >> it's funny, because people either call me lemon or no one ever calls me just don. it's either don lemon or lemon. "homeland" is headed into its fourth season this fall. it's a huge success. "tyrant" takes place in a fictional country in the middle east. do you think the american audience is going to care about a story set so far away about an arab family? >> i hope so. but we certainly recognize it kind of defied the conventional wisdom which is no one is ever -- no american audience will be interested in a show set not in america. so i think what really intrigued
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us and certainly fx when they decided to take it on is this really felt like the story of the time. it was happening, if you look at the "new york times," half of the ink is spent on libya, egypt, syria, israel, and palestine. so clearly there is a big story happening, and this felt like a way to tell that story in a way that people hadn't seen before. >> why don't we let people see it. i want to take a look at "tyrant," a show that had a bidding war between fx and hbo. let's take a look. >> after everything i've given the people, they're still not satisfied. >> do you have any idea what is happening here? >> your father claims that he is defending us from a brotherhood of zionists. >> what do you want? i'm a pediatrician. >> they're you're family. >> yes. that's why i left. >> so when you're creting and writing these shows, it is
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simply about the creative storytelling or do you hope that an audience is going to walkway with a bit more than just the entertainment? is there a political message? >> you know, i think the moment you start writing from the point of view of a polemic or trying to tell a message, i think audiences smell that pretty quickly as counterfeit or as polemic. i mean, you really start with something that makes you curious. what are characters who intrigue you whose stories you want to create and explore further. so sort of one thing leads to the other. in the case of "tyrant", as i said, it was really the the fact that this story was happening across the world and evolving. and wasn't going to stop being told any time soon that really led me to want to tell the story circumstances there anything controversial? you were filming in israel. >> uh-huh. yeah we shot the pilot in morocco. you know, i can't say it's
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probably the optimal thing considering the subject matter, but it was the most expedient. and we actually shot "homeland" in israel. so i was familiar with the crews. it was a more practical way to get the color and the light and the faces and the music of the story we wanted to tell. >> yeah. gordon, howard gordon like bond, james bond. >> don lemon. >> i appreciate it. i hope i get to meet you in person sometimes. i think what you do is fascinating. i love what you put on television and on the screen. i appreciate it. he is a busy man. "tyrant" airs tuesdays on fx, 24: live another day mondays on fx. legends premiers in august on tnt. and then of course homeland returns to show time in september. howard gordon, you're a busy man. thank you very much for coming on cnn. i appreciate it. >> thank you, don. all right. coming up, four years of
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training and dreaming for the u.s. national team come downs to one very big game tomorrow. we're going to preview it for you. that is in just a moment. first i want to tell you this, cnn's original series "the sixties." make sure you watch tomorrow night nine p.m. eastern. >> i say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. ♪ something happening here ♪ but what it is ain't exactly clear". >> hundreds and thousands of negro citizens of alabama denied the right to vote. >> we're willing to be beaten for democracy. >> we are confronted primarily with a moral issue. >> do you think you can keep birmingham in the present situation of segregation? >> i may not be able to do it, but i'll die trying. >> i thought i was going to die. ♪ stop, hey, what's that sound,
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four years of world cup dreams are on the line in brazil starting tomorrow. well, team usa will take on the heavily favorite germans, a little over 12 hours from now. joining me now is in brazil, michelle herera, and cobi jones, three-time u.s. world cup player and sports broadcaster. okay, so fred, we know you're in recife. and it's kind of hard sometimes to get a signal there. the u.s. team plays its crucial game tomorrow. what is the confidence like there? recife? >> well, don, the u.s. confidence is very high. they say after the two good games they played against ghana and portugal as well that they feel that they have what it takes to beat germany. of course team usa and their
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coach jurgen klinsmann say it's going to be very, very tough. but we all know there are all these story lines, don, klinsmann who used to be the coach for the german team. the current coach of the german team was klinsmann's assistant. so it really is a game of david versus goliath as well as the master against his apprentice, if you will. there is a lot of excitement here many this town. but certainly the confidence level in the u.s. team is very high, don. >> cobi, you played in three world cups and you're the record cap holder. you actually played against germany in the finals of the world cup back in 2002. what is going to be going through the players' minds tonight you think? >> there is obviously going to be a lot of pressure for this team, because they know that they have to get some type of result. the last thing you want to do is leave everything in the hands of another game that is going on. so right now what they're thinking is okay, they look at the game against portugal there was mistakes at the very beginning, mistake at the last few seconds of the match. what is important is how they played in between.
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that period of time, that 80-plus minutes, if they can play like that, they're thinking they can go out and they can beat germany, because that's probably the best they have played against coach jurgen klinsmann. >> so i have to ask you about this. luis suarez, the biting italian player. i heard someone go ouch. have you ever seen anything like, that cobi? >> no, not personally. we know that suarez has a history of unfortunately biting players. and for me, you know, there is no place for that in the game. and i'm waiting to see what fifa does. i think they've got to come down quickly and they need to come down significantly harsh on suarez. shea role model. >> and he does have some big teeth too. michelle, u.s. soccer has taken off here in the united states in an unprecedented way. what can you attribute this to do you think? >> well, i think everybody is so excited about seeing the american rebel taking on the world stage.
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we're not really known for soccer. so for us to be doing this well and come out of the gate with so much personality, and you really see american personality out on the field with all the hairstyles and the neon sneakers. i've even seen guys like thinking about getting dreads for the first time because of kyle beckerman. >> but you're a latina. why do you think women are so interested this time? >> because these guys are hot. they have perfect bodies. they work out. they have endurance like you couldn't believe on the field. and they just have the perfect sample sized body. >> okay. give me a prediction. you first. >> usa. usa all the way. >> cobi? >> usa of course, come on. >> and fred, you're german. what do you say, buddy? >> well, you know my allegiance. i think that germany is going to win 3-1 this time. >> oh, jeez. >> but i also have to say i predicted that portugal would beat the u.s. and i was wrong as well. one of the things we've seen here is if the u.s. fights as hard as it is and puts its mind to it, it can beat anybody.
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and one thing i will say, the weather is going to be a major factor. something we haven't talked about yet. if you look behind me, there is a major storm going on. going to be going on tomorrow. >> got to run. i'm going to unfriend you on facebook and i'm not longer going to follow you on twitter. thanks, everybody. appreciate all of you. we'll be right back. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive and they're them. -yes. -but they're here. -yes. -are you... -there? -yes. -no. -are you them? i'm me. but the lowest rate is from them. -yes. -so them's best rate is...
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this is the only story you're going to be talking about tomorrow. the world cup. usa battles germany at noon eastern. millions can watch at lunch. your boss is going to give you a hard time. the u.s. soccer team tweeted this. a note signed by their head coach asking your boss to excuse you from work. get your copy, make sure you go to our twitter page at cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. thanks for watching. good night. "ac 306" starts now. >> reporter: good evening, everyone. tonight a story that has stunned much of the country. you would think it's the ultimate how could you. how could a parent leave a toddler in a hot car all day, killing the toddler? tonight late details. what we're learning in the death of the toddler goes far beyond that one terrible question. also tonight, between reports of syrian air flights and drone flights is iraq now completely up for grabs? and what role if any is left for the u.s.? keep iraq in one piece before, talks about whether it's possible to hold it together now. and later, it's been five years since michael jackson died, and five
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