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family feuds, a hit album from beyond the grave and more. we'll tell you about all the players tonight, where they are now. some amazing stories to tell. we begin with what at first appeared to be and might simply be a terrible accident, perhaps a worst mistake a parent can ever make. every year hundreds of parents leave their kids in hot cars. and this year 14 children have died, including 22-month-old cooper harris. that's cooper right there. left in the back of an suv on a broiling hot atlanta area day. the vehicle parked outside the day-care center at his father's workplace. justin harris never took him inside when he went in. by late that afternoon, cooper was dead. if that were all there is to the story, that would be hormone enough. the dead child, the grieving heartbroken but clearly negligent parent, and perhaps that's all justin harris was, a tragically negligent parent on that day. thousands of people think so. the authorities, however, think
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otherwise the medical examiner believes the cause of death is consistent can hyperthermia and suggest the manner of death is homicide. >> supporting a murder charge against the father, justin harris. victor blackwell reports tonight. >> reporter: early wednesday morning, exactly one week ago, justin ross harris was seen at this atlanta area chik-fil-a. the newly released arrest warrant after breakfast, harris was seen strapping his 22-month-old son cooper into his car sheet. drove less than a mile away to this home depot store support center where he works a a web designer. normally harris takes scooper to a day-care center on-site. but not on this day. instead, harris headed inside the office and let left his toddler in his rear facing car seat in the back in the blazing sun. harris returned to the suv at lunch time, opened the driver's side door and placed something inside. he then closed the door and walked off. the temperature outside hit 88 degrees that afternoon.
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the temperature inside the suv potentially exceed 130 degrees. cooper was likely already dead. the arrest warrant says at 4:16 that afternoon, the end of the work day, harris returned to the suv and started to drive home. seven minutes later and about two miles down the road, harris screeched into this parking lot -- >> hopped out of the driver's seat, opened the back door, pulled his child out, laid him on the concrete, tried to resuscitate him. >> reporter: but little cooper was dead. patrol officers were in the area when the 911 calls came. in. >> medical personnel arrived on the scene to determine that a child apparently had been in the automobile, the father's automobile since about 9:00 this morning. >> reporter: harris told police he had somehow forgotten to drop cooper off at day care that morning. you could feel his sorrow and his hurt because of the situation. >> he just screamed what have i done loudly. obviously, it was a bit dramatic, hands in the air, look up towards the sky, what have i
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done type of thing. >> reporter: but police say it was all an act. when officers asked harris basic questions about his story, they say those answers just did not make sense. then police say harris cursed and screamed at them. they took him to police headquarters, questioned him further, and ultimately charged him with cruelty to a child and felony murder. >> he is fully aware of what he is charged with, and he will be entering a plea of not guilty at this time. >> reporter: more than 10,000 people signed an online petition urging the district attorney to drop the charges. >> i think it is impossible for this to have been intentional. there is no way it would have been intentional, especially from the father's reaction. >> reporter: but investigators did agree. a cobb county sergeant tells cnn what i know about this case shocks my conscience as a police officer, a father, and a grandfather. now what investigators want to know is why. >> victor joins us now from marietta, georgia with more. we heard from the police department there a short time ago saying cooper's likely cause
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of death is hyperthermia. what else did they have to say? >> the question so many people have asked over and over again, anderson, where is mom? where is the mother in all of this? the officer said today that the child's mother was here in cobb county just outside of atlanta, and was interviewed by detectives, although they did not characterize that conversation. but i was candidly struck by what was not said during this news conference. so we heard in that report that the new arrest warrant says that harris went back to the car in the middle of the day, went into the car, and then closed the door. did he see the child? did he not? that's for folks at home to decide. well, the officer when asked would not just simply say if harris meant to or did not mean to leave the child in the car. that's one element. the chief here released a letter before the news conference in which he said this was not simple negligence, and there is evidence to prove that. so a discrepancy from what we heard from the officer and what
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was written in the statement by the chief. we also know today that that charge of cruelty to a child in the first degree was downgraded to a second-degree charge, quite possibly because they cannot prove malice, but only negligence, anderson? >> all right, victor blackwell, i appreciate that criminal defense attorney mark geragos and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin. sunny, obviously this goes beyond tragic. what do you make of this? clearly there seems to be details we don't yet know more about this guy's history, about his attitudes there is a lot we still don't know. >> i think that's right. certainly it's a tragedy. and we can all agree about that. but we don't know some facts. i want to know, you know, was there a history of abuse? was there some sort of bitter divorce or custody battle going on? what was his typical schedule? so i think there are just a lot of unanswered questions. >> but you say -- i read something that you wrote on c cnn.com that you have done this.
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a lot of parents do this accidentally. >> yeah. and this story became very personal for me because i did write an opinion piece on cnn. i left my daughter when she was 14 months old in the back of our car. and i was with my husband. and it was a hot july day, and literally, anderson, my husband left her in the car, i left her in the car. we went to get a shopping cart. we took the shopping cart past the car, went into home depot. i went into the garden center, and it was only after about five minutes that my husband came to me and said oh my god, we left paloma in the car. and she was fine. but i will tell you, i'm still ashamed about it. i'm embarrassed. i'm horrified. and i can see how someone could do this. had you asked me these questions prior to when i did this, this horrible thing, i would say no parent would ever leave their kid in the car, even if you do leave your kid in the car, you should be charged if it was negligent. >> this happens regularity. >> over the past ten years
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probably over 600 kids that have died in this way. so i'm just reserving judgment. i'm not convinced that this was murder. it could have been an accident. >> mark, you say this is an example of prosecutors using what you called he didn't act right evidence. what do you mean? >> let me tell you something. the idea that somehow that you've got 11,000 people, the people who are on the scene who saw this and are eyewitnesses to his reaction, and then the officers didn't like his answers to the question and he didn't act right or he didn't do this or that, can you imagine if this is true that it was an accident, how are you supposed to react? what kind of overwhelming sense of guilt would you have as a parent? what kind of distress would you be through? how are you supposed to act? what playbook is there for these cops to come in here and say we don't like his answer, or we don't like how he acted. >> wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, mark. but you're saying, you're basing
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this on how other people thought he was reacting, passers-by. why are they right and the police wrong in this case? >> neither way. i don't think you can base it on either one. i think that you have here at least what has been reported, they haven't at the hearing today, they didn't bring out anything that said there is any history of abuse. they didn't say there was any motive. they didn't say this was a bitter custody battle. they didn't say anything of the sort there is nothing so far at least in the public record to suggest that this was an intentional act. and if it was a negligent act, what more punishment could there possibly be in the world than to have your child die because of your own negligence. how are you going to punish somebody. what is the punishment or the theory of punishment? >> i have to agree with you, mark. and you know i rarely do. and i'm usually hang 'em hostin when it comes to any abuse of children. but this this case, if this wasn't intentional, if there wasn't any i guess evidence of premeditation, i completely
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agree with you. i punished myself every single day when i think about the fact that i left my kid in a car for five minutes. when i got back to the car, the car was already warm. her face was flushed. it would have been a tragedy. and to suggest that if a parent is negligent and does make this sort of tragic mistake that the parent should still be charged, in this instance i disagree. i think the punishment is enough. >> mark, can you explain the cruelty charge? because originally it was a first-degree charge. >> well, that's what is so bizarre about this. both the felony murder and the cruelty, they're eliminating the malice aspect. and for your viewers, the idea that somehow this was premeditated, or there was intent of something of that character. and so they have eliminated that. it's almost a concession that they don't believe that the prosecutors don't believe that they've got the evidence to say that this was intentional or premeditated. if that's the case, why are they coming down so strong? why a felony murder? why are we going to put this
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man -- i mean, i guess the only silver lining here is the one place that i would want to place my client if it was in a situation like this is somewhere where he could be under suicide watch because if this was truly an accident, the overwhelming guilt is something would want to take their own life because how can they live with the fact. look at sunny's guilt and nothing happened, thank god. but can you imagine if this was an accident, what is going through this father's mind? other than the fact they've got him under suicide watch, i can't imagine why. >> if it is -- was an attempt at murder, it does seem a very strange way to try to kill somebody. >> it really does. >> to bring them with you. it seems very odd. >> and to bake your child in car. it just seems unfathomable to me. but people do do horrible, evil things to children. and let me make it clear. if this was premeditated, i think you seek the death penalty in a case like this. georgia does have the death penalty for felony murder and you do seek it.
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but we really do have to be clear that this wasn't an accident. >> sunny, appreciate it. mark geragos as well. make sure you set your dvr. you can always watch 360 whenever you like. up next, a new sign the mess there is growing worse. later, hundreds of unaccompanied kids coming into the united states illegally every single day now. thousands housed in facilities in the southwest. their numbers swell. a question no one seems able to answer, where do these kids go next? what happens? be right back. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? yeah, we help with fraud protection. we monitor every purchase every day and alert you if anything looks unusual. wow! you're really looking out for us. we are. and if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you're never held responsible. just to be clear, you are saying "frog protection" right? yeah, fraud protection. frog protection. fraud protection. frog. fraud. fro-g. frau-d.
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seems like everyone in the region wants a piece of iraq or have a say in what becomes of it. syria reportedly bombing border towns. isis fighters on the march. new signs the iraqi military could have a hard time defending the one place they absolutely have to defend, baghdad. in the capital, new word from iraq's new prime minister on forming a more inclusive government that word is know. barbara starr joining us, kenneth pollack. nic, a lot of fighting in iraq today on a lot of different fronts. syrian bombed iraq in the anbar province. what the latest you're hearing? >> 57 dead. some of the dead women and children. three places, mostly along the board were syria.
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alwaleed, two of the places believed to be syrian aircraft flying. the syrian government denies it. the iraqi army spokesman says here not at all. they're monitoring their airspace. they can see that nothing came into it. so they don't believe that it was syrian aircraft. but those bombs falling on a sunni population, believed to be syrian, causing a lot of outrage and heartbreak. women and children among the dead. and western officials saying that they believe that these were indeed syrian aircraft. they just don't know how much of a tie-up there would have been between the syrian government and the iraqi government. of course, iraq is denying anything there, anderson. >> and nic, you went to iraqi defenses outside of baghdad today. if isis tries to move into baghdad, i mean, how prepare ready they there? >> you know, they're scattered. it's not a continual front line. interestingly, the tank that we saw on the front line was a
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soviet-made t-54. we asked the commander where were his abrams tanks. he said he was leaving them back at base in case he needed to defend that it does make you wonder why he doesn't put his best kit in the front line. we were in a sunni village that the government forces had said they had taken there was shia graffiti on it and a shia flag on the tank. you get these sectarian overtones on the battle front there. and there just aren't as many troops as you would expect. the line to me appears as if it could be porous if isis made a concerted effort there, anderson. >> that's pretty remarkable. that's one of the main roads into baghdad. barbara, iraq is now getting more than advice and training from iran, yes? >> absolutely, anderson. a senior u.s. official tells me that they now believe iranian drones are flying over iraq, gathering intelligence, gathering information to give to the iraqi shia regime. and also iraqi qods force, the
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iranian qods force commander, the iranian paramilitary force, they are moving some of their commanders into iraq to work to provide advice, but perhaps more importantly, to mobilize shia militia and shia militiamen in southern iraq. another effort perhaps by iran to exploit what appears to be a growing sectarian divide. >> and barbara, kerry has left now. certainly doesn't have seemed to have calmed down tension there's at all. how is the administration reacting to developments regarding syria and iran? >> well, what they are saying here at the pentagon is it just shows the complexity of the situation. you know, within 24, 48 hour-period you have more syrian military activity. you have more iranian military activity. the u.s. having perhaps 130 military advisers of its own on the ground, and as nic points out, much uncertainty. because right now isis is stretched quite thin as we know.
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their lines are stretched over many, many miles. and the question is can the iraqi forces take advantage of that, push back, push isis back, and also maintain their hold on baghdad. >> and yet we've seen actually no evidence that iraqi government forces are able to actually retake territory that isis forces have taken. i mean, can the prime minister there, al maliki rejected today, calls for an emergency unity government. you have met with him a number of times. i doubt you were surprised by that. >> no, not at all, anderson. in fact, when i saw him just a couple of months ago in march right before the iraqi elections, i found a prime minister who was very confident of his position, expecting to win big in the elections, which of course he did. and not really planning on making any concessions to anybody. in fact, mostly talking about his rivals as all being agents of foreign governments. >> does he really believe that? does he see no need to reach out to sunnis, to kurds? >> he seems to really believe
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that his rivals are traitors, are agents of foreign governments. you know, it's hard for us to believe it, but prime minister maliki really does seem to believe that he is the only iraqi nationalist. he is an iraqi democrat. and everything that he does he truly seems to believe, at least in my experience is actually what is necessary for the good of iraq that makes it very hard to convince this guy to do anything other than what he thinks is best. >> and last week, maliki blamed the saudis, saying that they were the ones supporting isis. the saudis warned iran not to get involved in iraq. we now have iranian arms flowing to the shia government. the idea of iranian drones overhead and the shia government perhaps bombing targets. this is no longer just iraq. this is a regional war, isn't it? >> right. first of all, we need to recognize the iraqi civil war, the syrian civil war, they have merged. and already you had seen the saudis, the turks, the iranians already being drawn into the syrian civil war. it's no surprise they're now being drawn into the iraqi piece
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of it. the problem is of course that could get worse. we've seen lots of other of these intercommunal civil wars that start out as a civil war with different neighbors backing different sides. but then when somebody's proxy starts to lose, it's great power its neighboring backer has a choice to make. do we let them go down the tubes or do we double down and invade? think about lebanon how that provoked a war between israel and syria. >> nic, i want to make sure. have you seen any evidence of iraqi forces able to retake territory that they have already lost to isis or to baathist or other sunni groups? >> no. the short answer we haven't seen them able to do that, anderson. >> all right, nic, barbara, ken, thank you very much. i want to go now to david kilcullen who served to general petraeus in iraq. david, our nic robertson was just outside baghdad, looking at sort of the iraqi military
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defenses on the way into the city. and found them basically lightly defended, not even with their best abrams tanks out there. they didn't even have the abrams tanks throughout. what is in your estimation wrong with the iraqi military? >> it's a combination of things. i think the most important two iraqs are firstly that a lot of iraqi soldiers don't necessarily want to fight for the iraqi government that is currently constituted. so they're basically bailing and leaving positions which they probably have the equipment to defend. but they just don't want to. and then the second issue is over about the last six months, isis, the islamic state of iraq and the levant has been building alliances with the former baathist regime. and a lot of the people that were senior within the iraqi military have been reached by that group of people. so that there is potentially some issues of loyalty and competence within the senior leadership within the iraqi military. >> is there any chance for the iraqi military as it currently
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is serving the government that they are currently serving to roll back any of the advances that isis has made, unless they're able to or the government is somehow able to peel off some of these baathist or sunni groups which have also joined up with isis. >> i think it's highly unlikely that the iraqi military or this iraqi government is going to be able to recapture a lot of the ground that they have lost. so i think we're looking at a sort of de facto facts on the ground partition of iraq into three parts. a sort of sunni area in the west of the country, the kurdish region to the north and the east, and then the area that the shia government currently controls. and i think that's about as far as it's going to go. >> that's clearly something that some politicians in the united states, joe biden among them, had talked about or suggested years ago. was that inevitable, or do you see this as a result of a number of factors, perhaps leaving too soon, the war in syria, and
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maliki's unwillingness to reach out to sunni groups? >> yeah, that's exactly right. this has been coming for a very long time. and i think it's not inevitable, but it's now a reality on the ground. and the three main factors are firstly that we pulled out too early. we stopped the job of training the iraqi military halfway through. we drew down our intelligence capability. we pulled out from any kind of leverage over the iraqi government. secondly, the iraqi government basically didn't go through with a lot of the deals that were made with the sunni and the kurdish community as part of stabilizing iraq between 2007 and 2010. and so alienated the kurds and the sunni community. and then thirdly, isis has been able to grow and to recreate basically the son of al qaeda in iraq over in syria as part of the conflict that has been going on since 2011.
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>> unless, unless there is major change among the government in iraq in baghdad and government that is more inclusive and willing to reach out the kurds, willing to reach out to sunni groups, how do you see this continuing or resolving? or i assume you don't see it resolving? >> well, i think there are a number of scenarios. but firstly, i don't think it's very likely that the shia government under maliki will agree to a government of national unity as it's being called. he has already rejected that idea a couple of times, including most recently today. >> today. >> so i think it's highly unlikely that's going to happen. on the other hand, the shia community don't particularly like prime minister maliki, but they've got no alternative at this point. and neither do the iranians. i think he is seeing himself as reasonably stable in his leadership role, even though the country is looking pretty shaky. >> david kilcullen, i appreciate you being on. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. >> as always you find out more about this story and others at cnn.com. just ahead, the crisis that is getting worse by the day.
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investigators to texas to prosecute human smugglers, stopping the flood. that's one thing. what to do with the kids who are already here is quite another. joining me tonight is cnn contributor dan restrepo as w.h.o. served as senior director for western hemisphere affairs. and custom border patrol commissioner ral basham. ralph, dealing with the staggering amount of unaccompanied kids coming across the border, you called this an almost impossible mission for dhs. what do you mean? >> first of all, anderson, it's like the perfect storm. you a situation here where these children coming from countries that are literally out of control in the violence. and the gang issues there have driven their parents to the point where they are willing to risk these children's lives to get them out of that situation and get them to the united states. and then you take into consideration these facilities that were built basically to
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house mexicans for a temporary period of time to hold them for 24 to 48 hours and send them back to mexico. it's just not capable of handling this number of children and their needs. >> so, dan, as you see it, what is the answer here, long-term and short-term? >> i think it's a combination of things. there is no easy answer here there is no real solution. you have to manage a series of challenges. you have to manage how you treat these kids humanely, how you process them in a way that respect theirs rights and send those who need to go back, back. that's part of the solution set here, part of the management is returning those who aren't eligible to stay, which sends the message into the system, into these countries in particular that this perilous journey is not worth the risk. >> but that takes a long time, that system of determining that right now. >> it takes a while. and i think one of the challenges that is in front of those who are managing this is
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trying to speed that up and speed it up in a way that doesn't trample on anybody's rights. >> and ralph, it's a little hard to send the message to parents in central american countries, look, don't send your kids because it's dangerous. most parents know it's dangerous, but are doing it even with that knowledge. some in congress have asked for more agents or even the national guard to be deployed along the border. you see that as actually exacerbating the situation? >> i see that. first of all, the border patrol, cbp in general that. >> need additional resources. just to handle their current mission assignments, setting aside this current crisis that exists down on the southwest border. but they need to -- i think maybe they're look agent the wrong group of people to bring to bear against this problem. they need additional facilities. they need additional care takers. they need additional immigration judges. they need the judicial system to be ramped up to deal with these
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people. and as dan said, sending this message back to the countries of origin, to send a clear message that these people, these children are going to be returned. >> but i mean, dan, what about the argument that some republicans are making that people are lured to the u.s. by the obama administration's deferred arrivals act which suspends deportation for many immigrants. >> look, there is obvious lay need to make sure that misinformation is not out there to be exploited by the criminal syndicates. and unfortunately criminal syndicates are trying to create the impression that there is some sort of golden ticket in the united states there isn't. i think the administration has been pretty aggressive in terms of its messaging both in the countries of origin, in the spanish language media particularly here and there to make sure that that is clear to remove any doubt that may exist. and i think the real challenge right now here, anderson, is that people work the problem and not the politics. >> dan, ralph, i appreciate both of you being on. it's obviously no easy solution on this.
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appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> this weekend on cnn, don't miss the debut of "documented", a powerful film by immigration activist jose antonio vargas. it airs at 9:00 eastern this sunday. up next, hard to believe, but five years ago today, the world was absorbing the news that michael jackson had died just as he was about to begin a concert series. his three kids are now growing up without him obviously. we'll show you what the last fife years have been like for them and the family. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters shopping online is as easy as it gets. and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles. start shopping from a list of top-rated providers today. angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today.
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five years ago tonight, we were covering the breaking news about michael jackson. >> this is the ambulance actually leaving his home. now all we know for certain right now is today on the west side of l.a., something happened. michael jackson's heart stopped. he stopped breathing. medics were called. efforts were made. but despite those efforts, jackson died. jackson of course one of the best known people on the planet, dead at the age of 50, survived by his three kids. details that night were still sketchy. it would be months before the details leading up to his death
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emerged. many came to light at the trial of jackson's private physician conrad murray. he was convicted of manslaughter and went to prison. hard to believe that five years have now gone by. jackson's youngest child is now a teenager. conrad murray is out of prison now. randi kaye looks at where some of the people in jackson's life are now. >> reporter: paris jackson, just 11 years old and broken hearted when she shared this with the world. >> ever since i was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. and i just wanted to say i love him so much. >> reporter: today the pop star's only daughter is 16. life without her dad has been a struggle. in june last year, she attempted suicide, cutting her wrist with a kitchen knife. >> she has been getting intensive psychiatric help since then, in fact sent out of state to a boarding school.
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>> reporter: and her brothers? prince is now 17 and a self-described nerd. he is an honor student who has done some acting. he is now preparing for college. and remember blanket jackson? this was him on that now infamous balcony scene. he is now 12. he was just 7 when his father died, even carried a michael jackson doll to the memorial service. today he loves to make movies. >> blanket seems to be the one who is the most like his father as far as his personality. he is a shy young 12-year-old, still home schooled. >> reporter: paris and her brothers recently made a documentary about their dad with grandmother katherine. the trailer was posted on youtube. >> he promised me he would teach me how to moon walk. never got around to it. >> sometimes i would go in his room and watch. he was a very good dancer. >> my brother, the legendary king of pop michael jackson passed away on thursday, june
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25th, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. >> reporter: katherine jackson still struggles every day with the loss of her son. she lives in a $10 million mansion in calabasas, california, with her grandchildren, apart from her husband, joe jackson, who lives in las vegas. >> michael jackson gave his mom a bus that she still uses to go every year in august on his birthday she goes to gary, indiana for a celebration of michael jackson's birthday. >> there is not a day that passed that i don't think about my child. and he should be here. right now. but it was negligence of a doctor. >> reporter: dr. conrad murray was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in 2011 and sentenced to four years for michael jackson's death. murray got out of prison in october after serving about two years. he is no longer licensed to practice medicine in either california or texas. >> this is part of the untold story. my story.
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>> reporter: murray, who is still appealing his conviction, posted this power point presentation online last month, his attempt to prove his innocence. another of jackson's doctors, dermatologist to the stars arnold klein is also in financial straits. his health failing. his business took a hit after it was disclosed at trial that jackson had received large doses of demerol from klein's clinic, even though klein denies giving that to him. debbie rowe, michael's ex-wife still living on a horse ranch outside l.a. she gotten gauged earlier this year to one of michael's closest friends. four of his brothers are on tour again. la toya jackson's reality show is in its second season, and janet jackson got married to a qatari billionaire. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> joining me again tonight cnn legal analyst and defense attorney mark geragos. at one point he was one of michael jackson's attorneys.
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you defended michael jackson in the child molestation charge in 2005. he was acquitted of all charges. you recount meeting him for the first time in vegas. you say it was like a tom clancy novel. in tend, the ideas you had about him, your preconceived notions were kind of out the window. >> yeah, i think that's -- i think that's absolutely true. the kind of caricature that developed prior to his death actually and surrounding that whole time period starting in '93 with the original accusations and going forward for the next ten years, i think really did a disservice to michael. he is obviously everybody knows how talent head. but i think he gets short shrift when it comes to how bright and incisive and what a wonderful father he was. you know, during the entire investigation by the department of children services that kind of flurried around during the time period of 2003 and 2004, i was always, always so impressed
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by his attention to the kids and how great those kids were. and he really was remarkable when it came to being a father and i think he gets not enough credit for that, frankly. >> that trial, did you get a sense of how it impacted his life? because obviously a lot of people did not accept the verdict. >> well, i remember when we were at the arraignment, and he jumped up famously on to the suv, and i turned to ben rothman and said i can't imagine how anybody at that age could do that. ben then turned to me and said if we don't do something, this guy is going to come to the trial wearing pajamas. and he famously later did. i remember i ended up testifying in that trial not once but twice as a witness. and i remember looking at the jury during the trial and knew then that it was going to be a not guilty. they weren't buying anything that the prosecution was selling in that case. i always worried immensely that he would not make it through the trial.
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you have to -- number one, a trial is so stressful. number two, a trial like this with this accusation is so horrid. and for him, it was just so devastatingly hurtful. >> mark geragos, i appreciate you sticking around. thank you very much. up next, the alleged bite seen around the world. soccer officials are on the case. what they could do to team uruguay's superstar, ahead. thank ythank you for defendiyour sacrifice. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel.
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tonight soccer's governing body is investigating the moment that was seen live by millions around the world. that's uruguay's forward luis suarez allegedly biting an italian opponent's shoulder before uruguay scored the winning goal. schwarz has a history of biting his opponents. he has been punished twice before by fifa. if he is found guilty again, what kind of punishment is he looking at? for that we go to john berman who joins me now. >> so fifa says they are investigating the incident. they issued a statement. what did they actually say? >> they basically said we want all sides to present their evidence by today. we're going to take a look at it as expeditiously as possible, which means by saturday. uruguay plays again on saturday against colombia. fifa saying we're going to make this decision very, very quickly before the next game, because suspending luis suarez is a
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distinct possibility. >> what kind of evidence can uruguay present? the video is the video. i'm not sure what else you can present. >> it's a bit problematic, isn't it? because so many millions and billions of people are seeing it on video. they also said by the way in their statement is they will consider luis suarez's past incidents that is what could be a problem for him. look, he has done this twice before. >> he is claiming that he just nudged the guy with his head. >> it was inadvertent. it was a mistake. i didn't mean for my mouth to come down on this guy's shoulder. his shoulder was coming up into my mouth. he says he is being framed by european soccer fans who don't want to see him play as the tournament moves on. >> he was suspended in the past for doing this twice. >> twice before. once when he played in holland. once when he played in england. it's crazy to think about it there is a guy with a record for biting people on the soccer field there is one thing this guy can't do in this tournament. it's bite somebody. and he went and did it in this big game. and fifa has made clear they're investigating. they will take the past into account here. and i got say a lot of people think there will be a
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punishment. >> people are calling you the cannibal, you really want to go out of your way to avoid anything to do with your mouth intersecting with somebody's body part. >> duct tape. next time bucket tape. >> a lot of people are saying it could be from a year suspension to a lifetime ban. >> it's complicated. the maximum could be two years. but there are issues. if they give two games, he can't appeal the suspension you. might see a few game suspension to take him out of the world cup, give him no chance to appeal. it gets complicated if he goes for a longer suspension. people do want to see him pushed out of the game for a while. but you also have to remember, being pushed out of the world cup, that is such a big punishment for one of the best players in the world. he is one of the best players in the world with a lot of fans in south america want to see him play. they will all be very upset when and if he doesn't play. >> getting a lot of tweets from fans. look, those pictures are photo shopped. it's not true. he didn't do the biting. >> how could they photo shop the video of his mouth coming down on a shoulder there? >> obviously, the game is
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saturday. >> saturday against colombia. and i have to tell you, when we're talking about conventional wisdom, i think the conventional wisdom is he will not be playing in that game. >> john, thanks very much. appreciate it. all right. we'll see. the ridiculist is coming up. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america.
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attendant working from san francisco to chicago recently put his own little bedazzle on it. >> since you haven't invented a automobile since 1960, flight attendants still have to tell you how to fasten a seat belt. low and tight across your hips just like the speedo i'm going to be wearing when i get to the hotel hot tub tonight. >> hey, girl! your move, sully sullenberger. i love the woman in front of him silently doing the demonstration. apparently he is the penn to her teller. seriously, who couldn't love this flight attendant? >> in the event that our captain designs to turn the love airlines southwest airlines into the cruise today, we're going to instruct you how to remove this life vest from underneath the seat. folks, please, it's a life vest, not a toilet seat cover. >> the trick is to use humor. worried about landing in the water? not anymore. now your worried about someone
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pooping on the life vest. tempted to sneak a cigarette in the bathroom? not so fast. >> it's $2200 for tampering with the smoke detecter in the lavatory. and you know, if you had $2200, you would be in united airlines in first class. >> all right. hold on. i just realized who he reminds me of. remember the hbo cult favorite "the comeback" starring lisa kudrow? if you don't, you should. it's a great show. it's actually coming back. and on the she had a friend named mickey, her hairdresser. >> avon calling. >> oh, very good. this is mickey. he is funny. >> all right, if the producer to "the comeback" which i think is returning on hbo does not give the flight attendant as a three episode arc as mickey's cousin, i'm done. the best flight attendant ever is reminding people about those pesky oxygen masks. >> in the event of a
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decompression, a yellow buttercup mask designed by gucci and martha stewart, they're going to drop from that compartment overhead. you continue wearing that mask until otherwise notified by one of your three uniformed crew members. >> do you notice he said uniformed crewmembers? are we sure this guy actually works for said airline, or is he someone in khaki shorts and a flag tie who happened to grab the mic? either way, i like his style. he is a best showman. like the best showmen, sinatra, lou dobbs, this guy knows you need to have a big finale ♪ we love you, you love us, we're much faster than the bus, we hope you enjoy your hospitality, mary one of us and you'd fly free ♪ >> all right. you got to love a crewmember who is not afraid to burst into song and casually fish for a marriage proposal at the same time. peanuts and mini bottles of vodka, it has mile-high club written all over it. in all seriousness, with or without on board jazz hands, it is refreshing to see someone
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care about their job and try to make their customers smile. that's how the passenger who posted it on youtube felt. so we send best wishes to the best flight attendant ever. and anyone who doesn't think he is good for air travel is going to have a bumpy flight on the ridiculist. hey, that does it for us. that does it for us. anthony bourdain parts unknown starts now. ♪ some time ago something crawled or slithered or grew like a fungus. something that started small, got bigger, lurched like a swamp thing out of the mud and moist earth and humid nights of the delta. then it took over the world. so, next time some smartass ferner horrified by our latest ham-fisted foreign policy blunder
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