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first female ceo of general motors, mary barra. check out these questions and answers. >> i'm going to tread lightly here but you've heard this. you got this job because you were hugely qualified, 30 years in this company, a variety of different jobs, but there are some people who are speculating that you also got this job as a woman and as a mom because people within general motors knew this company was in for a very tough time and as a woman and a mom you could present a softer face and softer image for this company as it goes through this horrible episode. does it make sense or does it make you bristle? >> well, it's absolutely not true. you know, i believe i was selected for this job based on my qualifications. >> you're a mom i mentioned, two kids. you said in an interview that your kids said they're going to hold you accountable for one job, and that is being a mom. >> correct. >> given the pressures of this job at general motors, can you do both well? >> you know, i think i can. i have a great team.
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>> so how many male ceos get asked these sorts of question. when the phones lit up and twitter caught fire lauer herself was the first to bring up the work/family balance issue. he would et this. it's an issue almost any parent, including myself, can relate to. if a man had publicly said something similar after accepting a high-level job, i would have asked him exactly the same thing. but would he really? is it perhaps the sort of sexism that men engage in. the former host who anchors "inside edition" yes, balancing work and family. so you heard the exchange. what did you think? >> you know, i'm disappointed. i think a lot of people are. matt is usually a very elegant interviewer and with that aspect of the interview he simply bobbled it. it was not the right question to
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ask. if he had stopped with the question which gave voice to the speculation about the fact that son have suggested that mary barra was put there to put a softer face as he put in the question of all of the problems in the forefront. that's a legitimate question. to go into the mommy juggle question, that is toxic territory and unfortunately he stepped into it. >> the reaction so many people had, certainly i had it, was would you ever see a male ceo of general motors or anywhere else asked that question about raising children. >> yeah. that has, you know, gone on facebook and matt's tried to defend himself and said, yes, i would ask that question. matt has been on television for a great number of years asking many important people a lot of questions and no one can find any evidence that that's a question he's ever put to a male ceo. and if that's matt's defense in
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asking this, then he should just throw up some links and say, yeah, remember the time i asked so and so. he didn't. it was a mistake. i'm sure he wishes he phrased the question differently. if he thought that needed to be asked. the fact is no one has asked alan malawali who was running ford. dan ak kerr son, mary barra's predecessor left general motors for family reasons. his wife was suffering from cancer. no one has pointed a great spotlight at that in any sort of pejorative or questioning way. people have families but we generally don't get asked a lot of questions about them unless you're a woman. >> so is the answer for us as journalists to ask both men and women these sorts of questions or is the answer to ask neither and just concentrate on the business issue? >> look, i think the reason mary barra was there because of the business issues she's
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confronting. matt said he asked the question because of a i small reference that had been made in a forbes magazine interview that he referenced. he actually put the link on his facebook page. the first response that i saw when i went on his facebook page was from the author of that article from forbes who said it was a very, very, very small part of that article. i think the answer to your question is, when it's appropriate, you ask. if cheryl sandburg has just published a book as she did a couple of years ago talking about how she manages her family time and her business time, she's put it out there. mary barra didn't do that. mary barra was there for the exclusive interview with general motors approach to the very serious safety problems that have been ongoing and date back to the time when, dairy say it, a male was ceo of the company. >> those of us who do work on live tv, matt lauer more
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celebrated than me, we make a mistake and wish we could take it back. shouldn't he have said, you know what, i blew it, i'm sorry. >> yeah. that's absolutely the approach. we are all humans. our feet are made of clay and live tv is fraught with peril and sometimes we goof. if matt had simply said, man, that was a dumb question. that was a boneheaded question or simply, gosh, i didn't phrase that the way i wish i had, i'm sorry, i think people would have moved on. >> i'm sorry. you almost never go wrong with i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry is a pretty good thing. spouses should remember that to say to the hubby or wife. i'm sorry is a couple of good words to keep in your back pocket. >> thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you so much. we have to take a break. when we come back, a huge change at one anchor desk. what does it mean for network news now that diane sawyer is
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welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm jeffrey toobin. this week brought news of a major shakeup at abc news. diane sawyer is saying good-bye to the anchor chair. she's being replaced with david muir. sawyer is not leaving abc exactly. >> at the end of the summer i'm moving to a new role. full time, flat out, reporting i love from around the world and
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in depth specials of the stories that matter to all of our lives. i'm going to be telling you more about this in the weeks ahead, but i love every night i get to spend with you. >> so why isn't her job going to george stephanopoulos who is arguably the network's lead anchorman. he is the anchor of "good morning america." abc says he will assume a new role of something called chief anchor handling big breaking news and election coverage. anyway you handle it, the evening news isn't the priority it was. that's a dramatic change. i can't think of anyone better to ask about this than one of the legends of the evening news, dan rather who was the anchor of cbs evening news. he joins me now. dan, thank you for being here. >> thank you very much, jeffrey. thanks for being here. >> david muir is the new anchor of the abc world news tonight.
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he's not a household name. do you know him? >> i do not know him. i know his work, not closely. frankly, i don't know a lot about him and i don't know a lot about his work, however, to ascend to being the anchor and managing editor of the "world news tonight" he must have been doing a lot right for a long while. you can say he's only 40 years old, but what young mr. muir has inherited is an honor and a great opportunity but in the great scheme of tv news is the diminished medallion. the medallion goes to the morning news which is george stephanopoulos. >> when you and your generation of anchors became anchors, peter jennings had been in london, you covered the white house, tom brokaw covered the white house and had been the anchor of the "today" show. you were at "60 minutes." there was a tradition, a
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progression till you got to the evening news. why is it -- why is it different now? and should it be different now? >> well, it certainly is different now, and i think the reason it's different now is because the leadership of all of the major networks has changed, not only changed in names and faces but changed in attitude. the idea of news being a public service has gone almost completely out of it. the idea that our number one objective for any network said the network executives of not too long ago, we want quality news of integrity. if we can make money, that's fine, the rating, we'd like to do that, but that's not our main purpose. >> let's talk about the morning news shows and their rising importance. they were in your day perhaps thought of as something the farm team for the evening news. now the situations are sort of reversed as the
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muir/stephanopoulos change illustrates. why? why does that happen? >> first of all, the morning news programs, put news in quotation marks to a certain degree, they're really a mix of news and things like how to do a better stir fry and what's the latest hit movie is all about money. it's a two-hour block of time as compared to the half hour block of time and because there's not much controversy with it, the money is there. and because the money is there, that's the reason george stephanopoulos, who i think probably came to abc thinking i'd like one day to step in to peter jennings' role, now they say, george, you're so valuable in the morning, we can't take you out of the morning, but we're going to make you part of the new face of abc and you'll be able to do some big events. >> for people or for people
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who follow news or care about news, should we care that morning shows drive the product anymore? is that something that is just sort of an internal matter or does that tell you something about the kind of news that's going to be available to the public in the future? >> no, i think it tells you something about the kind of news that will be available in the future, and here's the point, jeffrey. i think people understand this when they stop and think about it. to have a free and independent, truly independent, fiercely independent press when necessary, is the red beating heart of freedom and democracy. it serves as a check and balance on power in government exposing malfeasance and corruption. that's journalism at its best. we're getting far less of that today than we ever had it and these events of the last few days, i like all the people involved, i'm pulling for all the people involved, but you get less quality news of integrity dealing with serious subjects and you're going to get lighter fare, you're going to get less
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serious news and you're going to have it dictated from the very top of these corporations a, listen, it's all about the ratings. forget about public service, forget about public trust, it's all about ratings and demographics which equal money. >> that is an important message from an important messenger. dan rather, pleasure to talk to you. thanks very much. >> thank you very much, jeffrey. coming up next, the chaos continues in iraq and dick cheney blames barack obama, right? does he still deserve the air time the media is giving him? we'll debate with two top military analysts coming up next. whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in. with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises.
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welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm jeffrey toobin. quote, rarely has a u.s. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many, unquote. that's from former vice president dick cheney talking about president obama and iraq. and some people are saying, pot, kettle? it's an understatement to say dick cheney is still a polarizing figure, and the questions remain. is cheney a reliable source on iraq? should you listen to what he says? and there's this question. does he damage national security by saying it? joining me now to discuss that is in new york cnn military analyst and retired lieutenant colonel rick francona and here
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in d.c. count injury terrorism analyst phillip mudd. dick cheney's given a lot of interviews lately and one was with charlie rose. here's the exchange. >> you've heard this at every interview. here comes the guy who's responsible for a lot of the bad things that went wrong in iraq, now wants to come in and point the finger to the obama administration for the situation we have in iraq today. and they often even say how dare he step forward to do that. >> i don't hesitate to defend what we did and with respect to whether or not we did the right thing going into iraq, i believe it. i won't argue about it. different people have different views. the reason i'm concerned now is because there was a relatively simple proposition in front of the administration. the president as late as 2011 was talking about what good shape iraq was in in terms of being stable.
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>> so is listening to dick cheney like listening to an arsonist on fire prevention? should we listen to what he's saying? >> look, i faced the vice president when i was at the cia. he's a challenging guy to talk to. the former vice president is seen as someone who's seen as always claiming the sky is falling. when i talked to him in government, and he was very tough for me to deal with in the vice president's office, he visited at cia headquarters, we had exchange. very thoughtful guy. i'm not republican, i'm not democrat, i'm saying let's be careful about ignoring the message because we don't like the messenger. >> rick, i think a lot of people when they hear dick cheney talking about iraq they hear him saying there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq, that the invasion was going to go a certain way, which it certainly did not. isn't there a problem independent of the marist now that his record in the past was
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so bad that people won't listen or shouldn't listen to what he says now? >> yeah. it calls to his credibility. here's a guy that most people pinned a lot of the problems we have in iraq. many of us supported the invasion of iraq. we were appalled by the way it was conducted, all the mistakes it was made. you can question his credibility. if you look at what he's saying today going back to, say, 2008 to 2011 and then 2011 to where we are now, i think he makes some valid points and i think they need to be listened to. you can question his credibility but he still has some valid points. >> what about the argument that, look, you know, these people are -- were involved in making the policy. they are taking responsibility. cheney is stepping up saying, yes, i was involved. and we can learn for better or worse from their experience and the only way we can challenge them is if they speak out. shouldn't we be grateful that cheney is making himself the
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target that he is? >> well, as i've said, he brings up some very important points. we need to have a discussion about what happened in 2011. the failure of the united states to secure an extension to the status of forces agreement, i think that plays a big role in where we are right now. now you can argue about whose fault it was, was it an iraqi decision, an american decision, but the fact is that is a critical decision that's gotten us to where we are now and we need to talk about it. >> phillip, where do you stand on cheney's approach versus george w. bush's approach on commenting on the actions of their success? >> when i watch this play out i think there's a difference between tone and substance. people who lead the white house as president and vice president have to be states men to bring the american country together. you can comment in a tone that's meant to reflect decades of service. i find sometimes that the president comes in or the former president comes in with that tone i find -- >> which former president? >> former president bush.
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i find sometimes former president cheney is maybe more willing to engage in a debate that's partisan. whether you're democrat or republican, i think when you hold that you discard party. >> rick, isn't it true that even if you, the policy executors, the people who are actually implementing the policy, are not distracted by the press, your bosses, the politicians, are deeply involved and paying attention to what the press is doing? how does that affect what you do? >> actually, if you've got a good boss, they will take all of the heat and they will let you do the operations. i've worked for some great, great people who said, okay, here's how this is going to work. i'm going to handle everything from here up and you're going to handle everything on the ground. you run the operation, i'll take the flak. that's what you want, somebody who can like phil said answer all the inquiries from the
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executive branch, prepare all the testimony, let you run the operation. i think it works well that way. >> that's the theory. does it work that way in practice? >> that point is critical. we're not here for leadership point. let me tell you, i saw a lot of heat, a lot of heat. there are two kinds of people in circumstances like that, those who reflect it down to the workplace and those who absorb it. i swore i saw that every day. if you reflect it, the work force is going to tense up and respond. if you absorb it the work force keeps focus. >> dick cheney will continue bringing the heat for better or worse and i'd like to thank rick francona in new york and phillip mudd in washington. >> thank you. >> we'll have more "reliable sources" after the break. his shoes! and a third simply doesn't want to be here. ♪ until now... until right booking now. ♪
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all the time under "reliable sources" blog on cnn.com and cnnmoney.com. "inside politics" is next. tea party gets a shellacking including in a big mississippi senate race says it's wrong african-americans made a difference. >> there is something a bit unusual about a republican primary that's decided by liberal democrats. >> but if the establishment is winning big and it favors immigration reform, why won't gop lead injuriers in congress e a vote. >> the legislation is not going to happen under this very cynical and cowardly leadership. plus, the president hits the road visiting the bluest of blue
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states. he's in a mid-term funk and wishes voters would take a closer look. >> by pretty much every measure the economy is doing better than it was when i came into office and in most cases significantly better. and hillary clinton tries to clean up a mess of her own making from her husband bill. "inside politics" now. welcome to "inside politics" i'm john king. thanks for sharing your sunday morning. with us to share the reporting we have several guests. the grassroots conservative conservancy didn't just fizzle, it's flamed out. a half dozen states held primaries including two key senate races, oklahoma and mississippi where the tea party was counting on big wins. chris mcdaniel isn't going
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quietly. >> they called me a racist. they used race-baiting tactics. they scared people to the polls. >> the incumbent thad cochran did win because of african-americans who decided to cast ballots and mcdaniel, well, he sounds like a man ready to challenge the results in court. >> what we're looking for right now is irregularities. we've already found hundreds and going to keep looking. >> robert kosta, you spent time down there. is this sour grapes or do they have evidence of i wir ill lega? >> i think it was frustration. i was with him in cold water, mississippi, after the initial round of balloting. i asked his campaign manager, what was the strategy for the three-week runoff, they didn't have one. they spent three weeks getting outgunned because cochran brought in two top national republican consultants and reached out to democrats and
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republicans while the tea party behind mcdaniel was doing a little bit of grassroots organizing. >> you hear raw protest, amy, saying this was wrong asking democrats to play in a republican runoff. some think it was illegal although state law allows it and they're saying, you know what, if this is the way we're treated by the establish am, we should break off. would chris mcdaniels run as a write in? >> this seems like the heat of the moment. the reality is, if you're a republican, this should be, can't think about it if you're on the losing end, but a good sign for them. where democrats have beaten republicans is on the ground game and on the ability to get that strategic thinking like the thad cochran campaign put together in a big battleground state where every one of those votes matters. they should look at that and say, hey, we should do what the democrats have been doing for us. >> most conservatives are grumbling about this.
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one, senator rand paul, he told the washington post, i'm for more people voting, not less people voting. >> this is incredibly, incredibly smart. we've talked about this. the way rand paul has gone after african-american votes, whether it's comments like this, traveling to historically black colleges and universities, he's not the candidate that the average voter will support. these make people pause and take a second look. who wants to hear people say black people shouldn't vote especially if you're a black voter. that's not what you want to hear. >> the insurgency might be upset but the establishment is thrilled. they look at the new york congressional race, they look at oklahoma, they look and think we don't have any todd akins on the ballot. they have the president. they are not talking about obama care. they'll come back to that in the fall. the va scandal, irs. they're suing the president in
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court. the republicans think in terms of momentum and mojo, they have it all. >> you name a lot of issues which are important but they're not everything. amy made an excellent point where she talked about organization. we are in a situation where it's not clear it will be a nationalized election. it's not clear a lot of republican leaders want it to be nationalized. they've been avoiding putting out a national platform. that means it's about organization. so republicans want to have the right people up front, want to have the organization behind them. they were able to do it to some degree in mississippi. >> if you're the chamber of commerce, you support the export/import bank. you have spent tens of thousands of dollars to help. the house stripped out funding for the export/import bank. they won't bring immigration reform to the floor this year. you hear people saying they won't do it at all. we're going to wait until the next presidential election. let me ask the question this way. joe carr is a tea party
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challenger. nobody thinks he has much of a prayer. he's on tv with this. >> there's a crisis in america. thousands of illegal aliens are overrunning our borders. president obama created this crisis only after lamar alexander voted for amnesty. he is responsible. >> are they that afraid? i mean, john boehner was for kennedy, mccain, bush. mitch mcconnell as well. dead? >> it's dead. it's not so much that that one out is going to make the difference. eric cantor loses, it sends shock waves and a chill throughout the conference. the bigger problem is when you dig down in the numbers, you look at the people that turn out the vote. they're angry people. i'd love to think that people who are just full of hope and love and joy turn out vote but really it's angry people that vote. in this case the angry people are the people who don't want to see -- >> in a mid term year, you
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believe now -- i thought this would be the 2015 plan because are republicans going to go into a presidential election having done nothing, having done nothing to make a downpayment on it. >> they're going to do that before they go into a presidential primary season? >> that's a great point. their own candidates would go like they did last night. if you look at the dem graphics, they may be able to keep the house majority for a long period of time. if they have a big year in 2014 they may be able to protect themselves in 2016 but can they win the presidency, robert? do john boehner and mitch mcconnell care about them and not whoever the nominee is? >> i look at all of these elections and you see the establishment saying they're winning these victories over the tea party. sure, they may be out organizing the tea party, but where are they challenging the tea party. when i spoke to david brett i told him, kantor hasn't brought
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the dream act to the floor. it's the idea that he could that's the threat. this idea is keeping republicans to not do anything. >> mitt romney got one in ten not white votes. the next nominee -- the population is only growing. >> from 2008 to 2012 there was a study that found the electorate shifted measurably in one election cycle. giving the democrats several percentage points, perhaps more than they would have at least according to this one setting. you had romney campaign people in 2012 saying we are the last presidential campaign ever that's going to try to have a white -- primarily white coalition. >> let me play contrarian. they have a majority in the house, they think they have a majority in the senate. do they like hillary clinton in the white house where they can raise money and run against her? >> no. >> taking it a little bit too far? >> there are a lot of democrats who say if we have to lose the senate, fine. let those people come in and now
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they have to be the governing party. that's going to be a great platform to run against in 2016 for our candidates and they can't get it together to not over reach. >> once jeb bush or chris christie going to come out and run against ted cruz? who is their leader? i don't know. >> they're doing it by not not saying we're going to be the opposite, we're going to co-opt these issues and move to the right. >> everybody stay put. up next, pay back is the key piece of our political puzzle. as bill clinton returns, more crucial favor. first this week's installment of "politicians stay the darndest things" watch them lip sync an old favorite. ♪ ♪
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welcome back. another week and for me another clinton flashback. i was standing a few feet away super bowl sunday 1992. hillary clinton comes to her husband's defense. she steps up. >> you know, i'm not sitting here some little woman standing by my man like tammy wynett. i'm sitting here because i love him and i respect him and i honor what he's been through and what we've been through together and, you know, if that's not enough for people then, heck, don't vote for him. >> this has been for three decades now a political partnership.
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remember, he did go on to win the presidency. this is the health care debate back in 1994, remember that. how she was critical again as a character witness in 1998 in the middle of the monica lewinsky scandal. bill clinton left the white house. hillary clinton was elected to the senate. 2008 she ran for president. she became secretary of state for barack obama. now she has a book out. she's thinking about running again. she's had i few missteps talking about we were dead broke talking about all the money in speaking fees. this time it's his turn. >> she's not out of touch and she advocated and worked as a senator for things that were good for ordinary people and we've got a good life and i'm grateful for it, but i feel we go to our local grocery store on the weekend, we talk to people in our town. we know what's going on. >> it is remarkable whether you
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like them or not, whether you support them or not, to watch this partnership through the years. the question now, see this. she said it was sweet for her husband to come to her defense but that she can defend her own record and defend herself. she admits she's made some mistakes. has she cleaned them up? >> i don't know that she's cleaned them up. it would make a greater difference if she ran against a middle income candidate. everyone that runs is well off and exceedingly well connected at the least. i don't know what context she would get in that much trouble. it is interesting to see president clinton defending her. i'm remembering that in 2012 many times when president clinton got in trouble was when he was defending his wife. >> one of the key tests of any politician is how they clean up their mistakes. it's what we call a pivot. you give one sentence and get to an issue. hillary clinton by the time she
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was done with this week, she learned how to pivot. >> i shouldn't have said i think five or so words that i said but, you know, my inartful use of those few words doesn't change who i am, what i've stood for my entire life, what i stand for today. bill and i have had terrific opportunities. both of us have worked hard but we've been grateful for everything that we've been able to achieve and that's not true for most americans. >> it's that last part. she tries to make that connection. i've been lucky and it's not true for people. i get them and i want to represent them. you can make mistakes in politics but somebody's got to beat you. someone has to be against you. martin o'malley is going against new hampshire. is there anyone on the horizon who has a realistic chance as of today of beating hillary clinton? >> that's a tough one. i don't know if i see that happening. one thing that stuck out to me in this cleanup where she did an interview, she made it not about
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her and the words dead broke and about her finances and her life and her tremendous wealth and privilege, she made it about people. i think that that is really the key here. that's what hillary clinton has to do if she wants to be successful. while i don't see anyone frankly right now with a fighting chance, that could easily change. they could come to define her particularly as you get closer and closer to a primary. >> does this wealth matter? we'll put the graphics up on the screen. in "the washington post" looking at the financial disclosure forms. $106 million in speaking fees after leaving the white house. $57 million of that from speeches overseas. we've had wealthy presidents in the path. do people begrudge the wealth or how you get it or how you explain it? >> i think it would be a bigger problem for hillary clinton if she were running against a republican party that has been putting policies forward that talk about how we're going to help out the middle class. her biggest asset is that republicans for the last few
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years have been running on everything this they're against or putting out the same old tired we're going to do tax cuts, we're going to do regulation reform, that's going to bring growth. voters don't buy that. the middle class issue is one in which democrats still own, it was inartful what she said, but at this point democrats have the advantage. the bigger problem is the economy in 2016 may not be much better. it's not that she's been making so much money, it's that regular people haven't been making money. >> republicans are trying to figure out a way to address those issues. one of the most interesting features, jeb bush in new york city where he spoke excludsivel about the fact that a number of people are stuck at the bottom. he's trying to figure out how to address that. the question is how do you address that in a republican way. >> marco rubio tried to talk about that. rick santorum is talking about that. the economy is the most critical issue especially in a presidential year.
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the president is out in min n minneapol minneapolis. trying to raise money and get out of the bubble. he's walking a very delicate line because he knows to amy's point, people don't buy it. he's trying to convince them, you know what, things aren't as bad as you think. >> what we do is they focus on what i do worry about is that right now we've got a is republican party that seems to only care about saying no to me. >> there are so many things in that are delicious. number one is the economy part. and he said this in the town hall, too. things are getting better. look at the statistics, look at the statistics. look at the polling just last week. is the economy going to get better? 27% say get better, stay the same or get worse, 72%. an incredibly tough sell for the president. even though if you've got a 401(k), you've done well. george h.w. bush got this in
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1992 and he couldn't convince anybody that the recession was over. is that why democrats are running from the president? >> i think the president's become a nonfactor for a lot of democrats. if anything, they're trying to run away from him. and they're not running from the president himself but his administration at large, irs and benghazi. and i think as hillary clinton grapples with the future, she's looking at the president right now who is really not a force. but this is also the year of elizabeth warren being a force in the democratic party. i think hillary clinton's trying to figure out where she fits between obama and war and all of those forces. >> al franken, and the democratic senator of minnesota came out for day two. a lot of people saying he's running away in minnesota. al franken came out, we'll see if the others come out. one other point i want to make, what struck me in that fight with george stephanopoulos. chip away at it. how different was he when he
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said he was going to change washington, make democrats and republicans work together on big things. now his goal is to chip away at it. >> this sounds nothing like the obama you heard in 2008 campaign. i think part of that is just the reality that being the president of a country where you have this type of economic recovery, all of these factors at play, it's a hard thing to work at. and i think that's something he's had to come around to. and this is different than the obama, i think, than we heard in 2012 on the campaign trail. >> polarized politics with the republicans. >> of course. >> everybody stay put. tomorrow's news today is next. as our reporters get out ahead of the big political stories just around the corner. are feeling the love, too. by offering things like on-the-spot data upgrades -- an idea that reduced overcharge complaints by 98%. no matter how fast your business needs to adapt, if hp big data solutions can keep wireless customers smiling,
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and before we go, let's go around the table and ask our greater reporters to get you out ahead of the big political news. >> you heard congressional officials testify on education department officials testifying, rather and talked about how this has been swept under the rug for too long. i don't doubt there's will to deal with this issue. the question is, what do we do with it? we're going to see what other solutions come out. what will come out of these complaints. still, dozens of schools being investigated by the education department of justice on violations. >> stay at it. that's important. >> one of the lesser told lessons in mississippi is it's okay to be a hawk for you're an
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incumbent. yes, he reached out to democrats, but really played up his military record. he brought up john mccain in the final days of the campaign. i saw that helped him with veterans and military personnel and i think across the country, some other republicans may be taking that as a lesson. >> i want to talk about a military conflict, iraq, which of course has been in such crisis in recent weeks and i've been talking to analysts who suggest to me it's going to be with us for a long time. isis is just too weak to do very much more than they have. but is too strong to be easily dislodged. and that raises the prospect of a war that goes on for several years that overshadows the ends of obama's presidency, that is some kind of a factor, potentially in the presidential campaign or will be left to the next president to decide. >> iraq is still with us for many, many years. >> i'm going to go back to the economy and turnout. we know they have a turnout problem, especially in a midterm year, they are voters, young people minorities tend to not
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get out and vote. i'm starting to dig into the polls and talk to consultants out there. is this economic pessimism we were talking about earlier in where it's really hitting minority voters. when you look at nonwhite voters in 2012. 70% of them said i don't think things are good now, but i think they'll be good a year from now. now only 50% of nonwhite voters think things are going to be better a year from now. that, when you're talking about the midterm election, that's the kind of voters that democrats really need. >> i'll close with a footnote. again, some money for turnout operations, they pay for that, infamous brett favre at the end. i'm told between the election results tuesday night, close of business, they raised $3 million more for the voter education fund. what to do with that money, watching tea party challenges in tennessee.
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right now, they see no reason for alarm or big spending but to hold out for this possibility. they're thinking about turning the tables and maybe trying to take out a house republican, tea party incumbent, that decision will be made soon. that's it for "inside politics" again. we'll see you soon. "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. the missing irs e-mails, for the first time on tv, meet the man who says he knows exactly what happened. former irs official lois lerner won't talk to congress, but today her attorney is talking to us about the scandal gripping washington. plus an exclusive with the republican chair of the house oversight committee, darrell issa. >> i'm sick and tired of your game playing. we have a problem with you. did you hope you could run out the clock on this scandal?
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