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while searching for victims last night, the father of two was just honored last month for afternoons a 7-year-old boy. fareed zakaria gps is up next. this is gps, the global public squares. we'll start today's show in the middle evening, and the israelis and palestinians are once again facing off. how does this all end? with new state all together or just unending violence? i'll talk with two great experts on the future of the middle east. then -- >> we will not be sending u.s. troops back into combat in iraq.
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>> so can the united states fight against terrorists with just spies and drones? i'll ask a man who once raesed cia's operations overseas. also, despite being ousted from the world cup, america has become a true soccer nation. ann coulter says it's a scary sign of a new america. then washington, d.c. is broken, but america is working surprisingly well. i will take you to a place with an unemployment rate is half the national average. how does this city do it? i will show you. but first, here's my take. i've always loved july 4th, one of those special american national holidays that are celebrations not of religion, ethnicity or sect, but rather freedom and of america's unique
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national identity that is based on it. but around the world these days, we're seeing the rise of another kind of national identity, one that can be darneller and more troubling. in the recent elections for the xwrurpian parliament, nationalist, pop you list and even xenophobic parties did surprisingly well. the uk independence party beat ute all the established parties. france's national front won handily guess the ruling socialist party. the golden dawn in greece won half a million votes, awarding seats in the parliament for the first time. many commentators have sdribd it as a consequence of the dererelation and slow recovery that still afflicts much of europe, but similar voting patterns can be seen in countries like'sryia, denmarks netherlands, finland and sweden, which are all doing well economically. the parties that do well center their agenda not to economics,
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but on immigration and culture, on promoting national identity. you can see it not just in europe but around the world. look at prime minister abe and his plan to reinterpret japan's pacifist constitution and remilitarize after 70 years. or putin in russia, erdogan in turkey, xi jinping in china, in all cases assertive nationalism is the core part of the leader's appeal. why is this happening? one explanation is as globalization and technological revolutions transform the world, people feel uneasy, uneasy at the pace of change, and they search for something they can hold on to, as a source of stability. looked around the world. people are worried that are country is changing beyond recognition, and that they are being ruled by vast distant forces, whether the european union in brussels, the imf, or
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the federal government in washington, forces that are beyond their control, and by people who do not share their values. the rise of the tea party fits in pattern. after exhaustive research, the scholar values necessaria williamson and peet are scotchford concluded it was perhaps the central issue for tea party members something reinforced by eric cantor as loss. in an abe of sh about political ideology, more government, less government, different government, but as smallium huntington noted many years ago, the force that seems to be moving the world these days is not political ideology, but political identity. everyone is asking the question, who are we? and who are we not? even in america, even on july 4th. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed, and read my "the washington
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post" column this week. let's get started. so let's make sense of all of this turmoil in the middle east and where it's likely to lead. joining me now to do just that, robin wright is a longtime foreign correspondent having reported from an astounding 140 countries. her latest book is rock the casbah, and farwaz gerge is 'tis london school of his latest book is "the knew middle east." welcome back to both of you. rob robin, let me start with you. you had a terrific peet in "new york times" a year ago that struck me in which you mapped out a new middle east based on the realities of the ground. describe for us what you new map of the middle east looks like.
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>> in the aftermath of the arab uprisings, we saw a combustible emerge that allowed ethnicities and tribes and religions begin to fight for their rights with dib indicator absent from the scene and that exploded. syria, of course, lit the match. we're now see syria at least into three different pieces, and that has been explosive in rippling across borders, challenging traditional boundaries established a century ago. we see that play out in iraq, where we see the emergence of at least three different parts of the country, the kurds particularly in the north, almost kind of de facto establishing their own boundary with the rest of iraq by deployideploy ing special in new york. you see unleashing rival tribes,
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and here we seeing in libya, those who live around the capital, looking increasingly toward the western islamic world and those in benghazi looking toward the eastern, and they've been longstand been rivals over resources and power, and you have the south, much more like african than like north africa. so you see these dynamics ripple across the region. >> farwaz, when you have written about it would you have written that the core reason that this is happening is state failure. the failure of the governments to have built any institution, so when the dictators left, you realize there was almost nothing there. i think the syria, the place that you come from, which had, what was it, seveno eight coups between the 1940s and 1970s, then 40 years of highly
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repressive stability and now is back to a period of pure chaos? >> you no, fareed, this is not about sectarianism or tribalism, it's about state failure. it's a developmental fate, the post-colonial state, the existing state has basically delivered neither prosperity nor security, nor human security in the last 60 orals 70 years. has bled societies dry, has destroyed even the fragile institutions that existed in colonialism and replaced it with a cult of personality. i mean, people think of them at least as some of the richest regions in the world, and it is, yet out of the 320 million arabs, 40% of arabs either live in poverty or below the poverty line. you also involved foreign intervention, think of the american invasion on iraq, what it has done to state
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institutions. how dismantled state institutions. finally you have, of course, the lack of progressive leaders in the arab world. this is linked to the crisis. where is the nelson mandela of the arab world. >> robin, is there in prospect of leadership that has the authority to, first of all, actually control the country, take control, in effect have a monopoly of force on the borders, then to build the state institutions, make them exclusive, but still strong enough to actually govern the country? it seems like a tall order when you look at the characters, you know, 59 place in iraq, in syria, in libya. >> absolutely, but i think the problem is not as much state institutions as it is the basic principle. it's hard to build an sflugs, when you don't have an agreement on which to found your democracy, to build those institutions, and who is going to do it, how are you going to
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divide up the different responsibilities. this is where we're seeing increasingly across the region, a kind of darwinian evolution, rather than democracy taking flower. it's survival of the fittest rather than trying to develop a common good. that's where iraq has been such a tragedy. in the same what i that when lebanon was when i lived there in the 1980s, when it went through its own civil war, 15 years over the issue of power sharing between christians and muslims. it took 15 years to sort out that basic principle. the danger is iraq becomes will be non-ized. you see this being a prolonged struggle over the basic struggle how they share power. if they can't come up with that basic principle, there's no pros peck of building institutions,
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much less holding these countries together. then we get into the kind of chaos that will have a strong rippling effect on whether it's the patterns of trade, energy flows, security challenges not just for the region, but for the outside world as well. farwaz, what should the united states as the principal outside power, what can the united states do? is what president obama doing right now a plausible response to this chaos? >> fareed, i think what boarack obama is doing is the right thing. you know i'm very critical about american forepolicy in the middle east. barack obama is correct to basically keep a distance from the killing fields in the middle east. barack obama is correct to let the region develop its own instruments of government. the reality is this is a crisis that only people in the region
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should and can resolve. what the united states can do and barack obama can do is to work with multilateral powers, with the united nations, the international community, the european powers, regional pourers, invest leadership capital in order to help build institutions and also bridge the divide between the contesting and contending forces in the region. >> fascinating conversation, sobering, but very enlightning. thank you very much. let's take this issue to the next step. how does the united states protect itself from terrorism and terrorists. can we just stay out and use drones and spies to do the dirty work? i have two experts who answer just that question, when we come back. s a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe if healthcare changes, if it becomes simpler... if frustration and paperwork decrease... if grandparents get to live at home instead of in a home...
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the insurgents have been gaining ground. what if they set up terrorist training camps? will drones do the trick? my next two guests he was think cia for 32 years. an american why master story, and greg johnson is a journalist, scholar and experts on the use of drones. he's the author of refuge, yemen, al qaeda and america's ward in arabia. ultimate and enpiece in which you said you will not be able to do what the united states has done in yemen, which is use drones when you see them in iraq. explain why.
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they're mingling with the population in the cities so i think we have what the u.s. in yemen is trying to bomb al qaeda in the arabian peninsula as a way of containing the groups, so the group doesn't send any bombs to the united states. in iraq, it's different. what you're trying to do is uproot this group. if you don't have the intelligence, if you don't have the spies on the ground to know
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which car to hit, then you're going to hit civilians and we're going to have a problem like we've had recently. what we see is the u.s. has been using drone in yemen for the past four years, but al qaeda is getting bigger. if they try to do do the same thing in iraq, my worry is the same thing will happen in iraq. if you look back and say your job is to make sure the terrorists don't gain strength, bhald you do? >> first of all, i think ahead of time, anticipating a problem. i'm hopeful that's what we have. not at sunnis are supportive of
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isis. there are groups we have worked with before. >> when you want -- you hope that the cia has been putting in place friends, allies informants in iraq. it's only going to be effective if you have high quality intelligence, and that's not the solution. emplgts what you're describing, it seems to me your fear if you use drones, you produce more of a backlash and it grows the insurgency or the terrorist group. if that's the case, why have we been using drones so much over the last five years and proclaiming it a big success? >> in president obama's commencement address at west
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point, he said u.s. actions have to meet a very simple test. right now the u.s. is not meeting that test. and i think one of the problems is that you can't wait and wait and wait and then act. i think the problem the u.s. has had is we've been burned so much that we want a hands-off policy and then it's all or nothing. >> i love the love fest will end right here. when you look at the application
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we have a much more serious prosh that's producing warriors for their side. and one of the big lessons you talk about in your book is a complete recalls tent to leave you with very few options. >> that's when you withdraw, you left behind the agency maintaining the plumbing, adding to the plumbing so that when circumstances require, you're not starting from ground zero.
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in yemen that killed people like the american-born cleric, a former guantanamo bay detainee, who was second in the organization, but they've killed these people, yet the organization isn't crumbling. and so i think what the u.s. is facing is the -- >> think haven't been abled to execute any major terrorist attack in the world for a while. >> they haven't, but they have become very, very close. i think the problem is this is a new type of war for the u.s. this is a type of war in which success may not be best measured by body bags. fascinating. when we come back, there's
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international trade, especially countries where the government and large companies are all part of the same team. take for example china the most notorious players, the government of china will lavish subsidies to make their products more competitive in the global marketplace. it's not just subsidies, last year china's government gave its domestic companies, $111 billion to help them sell their various products overseas. china is just one example. japan's company has $33 billion. south korea $24 billion. by contrast the u.s. total was just 15 billion. this creates a very u.n. even playing field.
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if american firming are struggling to compete, that's bad news for the millions of unemployment. how can america stop these other countries from winning at its expense. national review, usually a staunch supporter of free trade recently ran a cover essay urging washington to threaten trade sanctions against china, but if trade war is a nuclear response, slowing growth everywhere, damaging everyone's economy, somewhat by having a u.s. government to exporters and guarantees to foreign buyers of american goods. guess what? we already have one. but washington is about to shut it down, shut down an agency that has been supported by both parties for around 80 years.
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xm has become joe nosera calls the latest tea party pinata. eric cantor's loss has emboldened staunch conservatives, claiming that it's -- kevin mccarthy, the newly elected rep leaders recently declared he doesn't support the bank's reauthorization and the private sector could perform its functions. the thing is the private sector already cover 98%. but a crucial 2%, crays where there is a bit more risk. the bank says it has helped to sustain more than 200,000 jobs in 2013 here in the united states. much of the opposition circles
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around the fact that u.s. taxpayers would technically so that it creates jobs and makes money for taxpayers, why has the bank become such a rallying cry for the government? the tea party is keen on taking -- it picks winners and losers. welcome to the real world of globalization. where every other major government supports its so cut the one institution that does this for american companies would be unilateral disarmament. it's not as if the chinese will watch america and say, oh, right we should be purists and end all
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our subsidies. no, they will simply laugh all the way to their state funded, well subsidized bank. later on gps, more on jobs. we'll take you to a town where an unemployment rate that's half the national average. but first, do you love soccer? do you hate it? either way, you will want to hearty peter bernard explain how america became a soccer nation, and why ann coulter is right tore worried about it. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america.
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tuesday's world cup match was record breaking in terms of live streams and probably lost productivity in the united states for a soccer game. even though the u.s. has bowed out of the tournament, this country is certainly now a soccer nation t that scares conservative commentator ann coulter, who says the growing interest in the sport is a sign of the nation's moral decay. my next guest sees things a little differently. he is the social professor of journalist and political science at the city university of new york and a contributor to "the atlantic." peter, you say that people like ann coulter worried about this and are distressed about it, because it wears away at the fact that the united states has been a kind of country apart from essentially the entire rest of the world on this one issue,
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on this one sport. >> right ann coulter basically believes part of what makes america great is america is fundamentally different from the rest of the world and she compares soccer to the metric system. if the rest of the world adopts it, per se it's a good thing if the united states stays apart from it. what you're seeing is the willingness to embrace soccer and allow america's new immigrants to remain soccer fans without that compromising their americanism, reflects a shift in the united states. we have a less nativist sports culture, and are more open, at least some groups in the united states, young people, immigrants are more open to liking the same kinds of things that people in other countries do. thing don't have to be ours and ours alone. >> in a sense, part of what the attraction of soccer is, is that you are sharing the sport with the rest of the world, sharing the enthusiasm, you know, following something everybody in the world is following.
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>> right. i think this reflects a larger shift young americans are far less likely than older americans to say that america's culture is superior or to say that america is the greatest country in the world. ann coulter may see that as pessimism and defeative. more of a recognition, and perhaps we have to learn from the rest of the world if we're going to remain a successful country. >> now the kinds of people you were describing as soccer fans in the united states, a younger immigrants, children of immigrants it sounds a bit like this obama coalition. >> that's exactly right. if you look at the states where soccer is most popular, they're overwhelmingly blue states, and the place where soccer is least
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popular is the red states the the only difference is that african-americans are right now not such big soccer fans and important parts of the obama coalition, so they have a disproportionate passion to basketball. you can see it's soccer plus basketball. the republican coalition is essentially playable plus golf plus nascar. and football is really bilateral. >> you've been tracking the numbers, the kinds of things that define american exceptionalism. >> if you look at religiosity, you find that among younger people there's much less of a stark divide, not because europe has changed, but because young americans are much less likely to be affiliated. if you look at wes about
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patriotism o. chauvinism, you also find that the gap that exists among older americans is virtually disappeared for younger people. i think this is the openness to the embrace of soccer. it's the same reason that younger people are far much more likely than older to say they like the united nations. it's a willingness to accept the idea that america is one of many nations. yes, we have a special affinity for it, but it doesn't mean in an objective sense that -- in a way that famous and much attacked line of barack obama, where you remember, where i believe america is exceptional, which the conservatives attacked him for, i think a larger and larger number of americans, that's basically their view, too. finally, what do you say to people who say i think ann coulter among them, that soccer is just boring? that they play for two hours, and it's 0-0 at the end of it. >> well, you and i both come
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from families who play cricket. they play five days into a draw. it is hard, if you didn't grow up with your family, your mother, your grandparents watching the game as a child, it's always hard to have the same emotional connection you to do for games that were part of the culture, the fabric of your life. but in a way this is good, this is what americans need to do. americans need to be willing to learn, to put in effort, to realize there are things that don't come naturally to us the i think that's part of the spirit that america needs particularly at this moment of globalization, at a time when the power dinamic is shifting and americans have to learn from the world and compete in a new way. >> all right. soccer today, cricket tomorrow. [ laughter ] >> peter built einart, thank you very much. >> thank you. i will take you to a state where the unemployment rate is so lo the governor's emissaries
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the true measure of economic recovery boils down to just one thing -- jobs. the national unemployment rate, which is hovering around 6%, may be the lowest it's been in more than five years, but about 10 million americans are still without jobs. what's more, only 63% of working
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age americans have a job or are looking for one. that's the lowest level of workforce participation since 1978. but there is a city that's spurring economic development and it has an unemployment rate that is about half the national average. for the next four weeks, i'll be taking you to areas around the country where america works, places where, far from washington's dysfunctions and paralysis, local leaders are making stuff happen. here's my second installment. come with me to an unlikely boomtown, one that has its fiscal house in order as well. >> 3, 2, 1 --. >> floating on the edge of space twice as high as airplanes, balloons like this are being manufactured for google to maybe someday provide internet connectivity to remote parts of the gloam. balloon like this are currently
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can you can'ting surveillance for the u.s. military. >> i think you could ask just about anybody who works here and they would tell you our purpose. >> daniel is the ceo of raven industries, the company behind those balloons. he says his employees understand their purpose is to solve great challenges and their reach is global. >> we get e-mails and other corresponds back from the field of actual lives saved, actual accounts of convoys that could have been under attack and wrnd because of the surveillance we provided. >> but they do have some fun as well. raven makes the starts in new york. all this innovation is happening in decidedly sioux falls, south dakota, the largest city in the rushmore state, population
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164,676. when most people think of the dakotas these days, they think of the energy boom, but there's no oil or fracking anywhere on these 75 square miles. >> we've looked and we cannot find any oil for a long, long way. >> mike huther says sioux falls is a boomtown, nonetheless. we find our gold and our oil in other places, and that's in the hardworking people of this town and yes, those foundations, finance, health care, retail, construction, that is what creates the boom for sioux falls. >> they first struck gold when citi bank moved its credit card operations here more than 30 years ago. . mike worked for the international banking giant. >> citi came here because the bank usary laws were more conducive to banks making money.
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>> due to strict laws, the amount that banks could charge was lower than they were paying to their depositors, with banks unwilling to make loans, south dakota saw an opportunity. in 1980, the state passed legislation that exempted banks from such caps on interest rates. so citi moved in and others followed, transforming this town on the plains. >> opportunities for a young college graduate with a economics or finance degree back in the early '80s were limited. when citi bank game, it was just the beginning of something huge for folks like myself. >> he would know. he runs this town. >> right now this town is rocking. >> that's right, mike is now the mayor of sioux falls, and he's brought his business skills to government. mayor has added to the city's piggybank for the past four
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years. his predecessors did similarly, now sioux falls boasts a reserve that's 32% of its operating budget. that's a sizable rainy day fund. >> this is the midwest, this is south dakota, this is sioux falls. here we value prudence, we value caution. >> so prudently the mayor decided to invest in infrastructure. since 2010, the city has repaired or rebuilt 290 miles of roadway. in 2013, sioux falls broke its construction record for a single year. >> to me if your infrastructure is not rock solid, you would go to the more visionial grand things that are hanging out there on the edges. >> like building a talented workforce, sioux falls has an unemployment rate of about 3%. that's good, but it also means
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there aren't enough people to fill the 2000-plus jobs currently available. the problem is statewide. >> put down your experience. >> so the governor of south dakota actually set up a kiosk in minnesota's mall of america to lure workers to his state. >> i think crews -- >> governor dennis due guard is a republican. >> i'm proud of this state. >> mayor mike is a democrat, but hugheser insists it's a win-win relationship. >> one out of every four tax dollars generated in the state of south dakota is generated out of sioux falls. the governor and i know that when south dakota does well, sioux falls wins. when sioux falls win does well, south dakota wins. >> he says they are winning because they were able to do on a state and local level what washington is failing to do, providing certainly to businesses and families.
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>> it's pretty simple. you infuse compromise, you communicate, you find common ground, and then you get things done. how much more basic can that be? that is absolutely what's not occurring in washington, d.c. >> we'll have more of these installments in the next four weeks. up next on gps, change we can believe in. in turkey of all places. the cadillac summer collection is here. ♪ ♪
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independence day on july 4th? a the philippines, b rwanda, c ireland, or d, australia. this week's book is a novel. it is the british author edward st. aubinf. "lost for words." the portraits of the people, the quirks, vanities, weaknesses are brilliantly rendered. comic novels are hard to do well. this one does it effortlessly. now for the last look. this week turkey's justice and development party announced the prime minister erdogan would be its presidential candidate in the august elections. his campaign began immediately, and his logo caught my eye. take a look. it's a red rising sun.
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the party said it symbolizes hope, the birth of a new turkey, unity and togetherness, the winding road they say symbolizes erdogan's journey of life, but people quickly pointed out the logo look familiar. yes, it is very familiar to president obama campaign logo. at the time the logo was chosen as a symbol of hope and a new day and of course because it has an "o." this isn't the only logo people have compared to obamas. in 2008,ed south african's democratible alliance party unveiled this logo. the solidarity logo look like this, and this is the symbol of egy egypt's party. david axelrod, the top obama campaign adviser in 2008 and 2012 is crossesing the pond to advise labor party leader ed
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miliband's campaign in the parliamentary elections next year. obama's most recent manager will advice the other team, david cameron's conservative party. many elected officials around the world are asking for help, understanding microtargeting, messaging, and the dynamics of social media. but can one really transplant america's strange hyper charged political campaigns to other parts of the world thousands of miles away? i guess the answer is -- [ chanting ] the correct answer to the challenge question was a. the philippines declared its independence from spain, but that declaration didn't work. it was then sold to america for $20 million. on july 4th, 1946, the united states officially granted the philippines independence, and they celebrated independence day on the fourth of july until the
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filipino president changed the date to june 12th in 1962. he said that the anniversary of their independence from spain represented a greater struggle and was more inspiring. if you guessed rwanda, it was a good guess, it's their liberation day, commemorating the end of the genocide. happy day to all who mark this as a holiday. thanks to all of you for being part of the program this week. i will see you next week. hello, i'm alexandra field. a terrifies moment caught on camera as a swimmer is bitten by a great white shark. what shark was hooked on a fishing line and was being ruled in when the swimmer, the man was
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pulled out of the water and rushed to the hospital. he has been released and recovering. wee talk to him coming up at 2:00. the teenager beaten in jerusalem last week allegedly by, 15 years old tarik khdeir said his was attacked. he's under house arrest for nine days. it's unclear what possible charges he might face. pope francis will meet this week with victims who say they were abused in the catholic church. it's his first time he's done that since becoming pope. the meeting will take place at his private residence. officials won't give more details until after the meeting takes place. i'm alexandra field, "reliable sources" starts right now. good morning from washington. we have a lot for you ahead on this holiday weekend, including
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how facebook toys with your newsfeed and your emotions, and how the hobby lobby ruling was spawned by red and blue media outlets this week. but let's best gin with pie brand-new reporting of diane sawyer and her replacement. you've heard the story about the big transition, sawyer abc says will want to step down to focus on --, sawyer was on vacation all this week, so he was filling in. as for george stephanopoulos abc's story is he was not passed over, rather listen the chief anchor for the whole network, coming in whenever there is big breaking news. but i don't believe it, and neither do a number of my most reliability sources at abc. for example, here's a big question they are asking -- why isn't diane being guaranteed a certain number of