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you do? enjoy. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. i don't know where to begin with that one. i guess if you're alone on the country road you can roll some coal. wow. i don't know. all right. thanks for watching. we'll see you back here same time, same place tomorrow night. time, same place tomorrow night. "anderson 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com president obama unveils his plan for the immigrants coming into the country tonight and this. this is ris sirens as the top cs in iraq come under palestinian targets and later, their son died in a hot car and cooper harris' parents are facing questions about what they said and did afterwards. we'll have full details tonight. we begin with the obama administration's answer to a humanitarian crisis and chaos at
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the boarder. tens of thousands of children from central america arriving illegally swamping the system for holding them determining if they can stay here, if not, sending them home. their arrival bringing protest to the streets of the southern california city of march yietta sparking a brush fire. president obama taking heat from republicans who say the actions caused the crisis and his inaction is worsening it. some are calling this president obama's katrina moment for the western swing and no plans to visit the boarder. a lot of pointing and goes both ways. what there isn't much of is facts. how this reach add boiling point and what to do with the kids. tonight as we layout the white house plan for dealing with it, we'll touch on politics and focus on helping you see past it to the problem itself. today administration asked congress for $3.7 billion in
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emergency funding to beef up the boarder, crack down on immigrant smugglers and counter who officials call a campaign of misinformation by the smugglers promising central american kids who come here can stay. michelle is at the white house and joins us with reaction to the plan. the white house made emergency requests for more funding and requests for power for the homeland security to try to deal with the crisis. tell us the details. >> this money, obviously, is like what republicans are calling a band-aid. it is reactive but there is some proactive piece to that, as well, working with central america but also really just the crisis as it stands is trying to get these kids through the legal process because of this law that the obama administration inherited from the prior administration saying the kids who come from countries other than mexico, prom non-contiguous countries need to go through an asylum process. they need legal representation,
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go through a judge. that system is so backed up, it would take years. the other problem is dealing with the law. the obama administration wants greater flexibility for the department of homeland security to speed it up and use discretion where necessary because the law doesn't allow for that right now and there is concern this backlog is only going to grow and not diminish, anderson. >> let's break down the 7. -- excuse me, $3.7 billion, almost half of it, $1.8 billion is to care for the kids and the other large chunk, $1.5 billion is things like transportation costs, $64 million for more immigration judges and attorneys and $300 million to help them reintegrate in the home country and find back their families and a media campaign to stem the flow to tell them not to come. realistically, what are the chances a request like this can pass congress? >> about a billion and a half of
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that hits on boarder security, surveillance flights. that seems to be answering the piece republicans are calling for, boarder security is what we need. the question, you're right, is this going to pass? we are hearing push back from key republicans. we heard from the chairman of the house judiciary committee saying this is a slap to the american taxpayer, calling this a band-aid and so on. the obama administration says okay, we tried to get through comprehensive immigration reform. it got through the senate in a bipartisan manner but republicans in congress and the house who are keeping that bill from going any further. they say that really would address the boarder security issue more than anything else so it's on you now says the white house to do something about that. >> i think a lot of people don't realize, these are not kids from mexico. this gives special attention to kids from other countries and it
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was originally about to stop trafficking of kids. is there any talk from the white house to get the law itself that gives special attention to these kids to get it repeal snd. >> right, it seems obvious. the law is not exactly fair. it only covers some countries, doesn't cover mexico. similar to wet foot dry foot. you come from one country and get more leeway and another country you get shipped back. there is that problem and the fact that it's keeping the problem going. it's keeping the kids here in some cases for years. so the obvious question, is yours, change the law but the white house says okay, it wasn't even our law but not so fast. the original intent was to deal with children who are being trafficked. they do see a humanitarian value in the law. it's not exactly the law they want to change at the core. that would be a process through congress. what they want to do is ask congress for more leeway and say can't dhs, department of homeland security use their discretion more to send these
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kids home quicker because in reality, even though they have to go through this lengthy process, the vast majority of them will be sent home anyway. you look at it, seems like a huge waste of time and money, but it does protect some kids and that was the cause of it in the first place. >> michelle, appreciate it. whether or not you think administration has the right answer to the problem with the money, it's hard to imagine they did the best job of explaining things. here is josh earnest yesterday. >> these children will go through the immigration court process and if they are found to not have a legal basis for remaining in this country, they will be returned. i mean, it is fair to say that it's unlikely that most of the kids who go through this process will not qualify, it's unlikely that host of the kids who go through this process will qualify for human for yin
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relief, which is to say most of them will not have a legal basis, will not be found through that court process to have a legal basis to remain in this country. >> you heard the word process, legal basis, as if there are none. there are plenty of specifics and we have them. >> reporter: 52,000, that's how many unaccompanied children the department of homeland security says have crossed into the united states just since october. it's at double the amount from the same period a year earlier. many are caught by border patrol and placed here at detention facilities where they are helded, screened and catalogs but then what. a 2008 law passed with support and signed by then president bush in the final case of his presidency is complicating the issue. it's called the william will bert force, the law prohibited a quick deportation for children from non-boorlderring countries and requires they receive an
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opportunity before an immigration judge. >> could be a year to a little more than a year before the kids actually end up going to immigration court. they can have several hearings before the process. so it depends on the child and remedies and what is -- if they have representation. >> reporter: it was intended to prevent child sex trafficking but the recent flood of my grants produced unwanted consequences. it's asking congress for charges to help expedite the process. the hearings will determine if the children will qualify for humanitarian relief and be allowed to stay but according to white house officials, most will not but that's not expected to be easy, either. a judge's deportation order must be carried out but immigration and customs enforcement which has a priority on who should be deported. >> children are going to be on the lower end of the spectrum
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because what is a 5-year-old kid, what kind of crime can they commit in the united states versus maybe somebody who drug trafficking or some other undesirable crime. >> reporter: meaning these children could be caught in legal limbo for sometime to come. >> let's get perspective on this policy and politics from don and david gur david. it was pointed out we'll spend $60,000 per child at this point, why not repeal the law that allows them to apply for asylum, mexican kills don't get this treatment, why should other kids get it? >> this is making sure you're not sending kids back who do have legal ability to stay in the united states, whether they have an asylum claim, whether they are entitled to be here. quite frankly, i think there is politics here. administration is facing complicated democratic politics,
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as well, of treating kids from latin american countries in what would be viewed as harsh terms if you don't provide them some process. i think you have both a policy reason for this differentiation and a political reason for why administration is asking for more discretion but not asking for a repeal of the law. >> do you agree, this is a political dimension? tom coburn is saying a repeal is getting passed and two weeks. >> the president is walking not only one fine line but two, one is domestic politics. he wants to be tough about the boarders but compassion et, especially towards the latino community and show he cares about people who have a desperate plate. america's reputation in the world, are we both competent and compassi compassion? people are asking whether we can handle that. we talk about the laws who how they ought to be changed. there has to be an administrative process, and they
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need to be sent back. the program, i think the program, the president's program is as good as it goes. it doesn't deal with the root cause and that's how much violence there is in these countries, honduras, guatemala and el salvador are the highest homicide countries in the world. >> you look at mexico which had tremendous drug violence, mexican kids don't get this special treatment. >> they don't get the special treatment but we have done a better job with the mexican flow. in fact, i think we almost went to sleep on this question over the last two years because the numbers coming from mexico have went down so much, economic conditions have changed that's been helpful. on the question of colombia, there was terrible gang violence. we went in and helped them. they came a long way. we're spending ten times as much on the boarder as trying to help end the violence in these three
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countries. >> do you see that as part of the solution? is it our job to work on the violence problems here in the united states, is it our job to work on the gang issue in el salvador. >> it's partly our job but it's our job to encourage them to work on it. david raises the example of colombia. sure, the united states spent $8 billion over a decade on colombia. the columbian government spent ten, 15 times that amount and stepped up to the plate and sided with the government. a real problem you have in the central america countries is the elites have wallied themselves off and not concerned about the levels of violence and lack of economic development and there is so much the u.s. can do to help them if they are not willing this to help themselves. that's a balancing act. they are trying to engage and work with them and trying to encourage them to do more to help themselves. there is a role for the u.s., but we really need partners in that to make a meaningful difference in countries that are
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violent and quite poor. >> it is interesting, dan. i remember being in el salvador in '95, '96 and there were all these la street gangs, guys deported from la in street gangs that ended up in el salvador having an 18th street gang and that's throughout central america. >> an irony here, is there is a u.s. immigration law. right? these central american gangs, quote, unquote. started in los angeles, spread across the united states and in the 1990s were deported. the 18th street gang tells you they might not have started in central america. it under scores how inner connected we are. it needs to be worked at both ends and in the region. >> all right. david and dan, thank you. set your dvr and watch 360 whenever you'd like. we'll talk about this issue a lot this week because it's not
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going away soon. we'll talk about kids who will be here for more than a year while they go through this process, tens of thousands. coming up next, a couple who made helping some of these kids their life's works, hundreds of times over. they helped hundreds so far. puzzling details in the hot car death of cooper harris. a tragic story. authorities are treating it, looking at all sorts of red flags. the question is does it paint a picture of wrongdoing by his parents? we'll give you the details ahead. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back.
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when he rode north on the train of death. take a look. >> reporter: from central american countries like guatemala and honduras. they will spend days clinging to cargo trains as they grind through southern mexico up toward the u.s. boarder. human rights groups estimate thousands have died falling from trips like this. some of them mutilated under the wheels. in route to the u.s. boarder, many more have been robbed, raped and kidnapped. the mexican authorities do little to provent them riding, or to detour gangs from praying on them. >> a horrific journey for the kids, very young children in many cases. that's the way many kids have gotten here now. others are born here but because their parents are deported, 817 there is a miami beach couple with a place called home. gary tuchman went there.
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>> reporter: norah loves children. she's given birth to two of her own but she has responsibility for quite a few others. >> you're a guardian to many children. how many children? >> 817. >> reporter: 817 children you're responsible for? >> yes. >> reporter: norah, who gets help from her husband raymond is the legal guardian of children whose parents are kicked out of the united states for immigration violations. the children in most cases are u.s. citizens because they were born here. the parents are told they have to leave but want their children who have lived nowhere but the u.s. to stay in the u.s. >> as a guardian, what do you do for the children? everything as possible to take care of their needs they have like food, education and emotional problems. >> reporter: norah and her husband are from nicaragua but
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u.s. citizens and regularly deliver food to their children who for the most part live with family members and friends who are mostly you can documented. claudia is one of them. her husband was deported. she's a legal guardian of her four children who live in this home because claudia is in deportation proceedings. she can be sent back at any time. norah she says has been the best thing for me. claudia adds she would be skarped for her children to go to nicaragua and can count on norah if she gets deported. how does norah keep track of the children? it seems to be done in an efficient but old fashioned way. in this storage closet with food and juice for the kids, there are file cabinets with 817 files and each file tells one child's life story. there are no state or federal regulations about guard yun ship. parents sign a notarized form and narcotorah is the legal gua.
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she just turned 18. she has been her and her younger brother's guardian for five years. she has dreams of being a doctor or lawyer so maybe she can legally help her parents reunite with her in the u.s. how hard is it? >> it's very difficult. i basically had to grow up without a mom and my brother has, also, so i've been kind of like a parent to him and i had to be extra responsible. >> reporter: norah has gatherings where many children come together but they are all over the u.s. and norah says she has an obligation to know them all. you met all 817 children? >> yes. >> reporter: how do you do that for a child in california? >> i travel. >> reporter: how do you afford to do that? >> everything is so difficult. >> reporter: norah and her husband pay for most of their travel. they do get some donations and that helps but so would more sleep. her phone rings all hours of the night with parents begging for
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her to become guardian and the number 817 will undoubtedly get higher soon. gary tuchman, cnn miami. >> remarkable couple. a note in president obama's meeting tomorrow, cnn will have coverage in what could be an intense end counter. missile fly, people flee, israel warnings a ground invasion of gaza may become necessary. we'll get a live update. ahead a courtroom showdown, sterling versus sterling, donald sterling taking the stand battling his estranged wife as he fights to keep the la clippers.
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breaking news where you can't call what is happening between israel a crisis tonight, simply called, it's war. [speaking foreign language]. >> sirens going off in cities across the country, whether it's special events like this wedding or just the day on the beach, people fleeing from gaza. the defense system seeing a lot of action into the night there. authorities saying militants sent more than 130 rockets their way. protective edge is in full swing, 150 terror sites have been hit. armed forces put this video online. they say this is hamas fighters coming ashore set to be armed. a short time later troops, air
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and naval forces opened up killing all five according to the defense force. from jerusalem where another 40,000 reserve troops may get the call to action. one israeli official says possible ground maneuvers may become necessary and an echo or louder echo of what happened in november of 2012. two media centers -- >> that was a rather large explosion. that occurred in gaza back then. ben is standing where i stood back then. ben joins us. the israeli military ramping up the assault on hamas today. what is the latest? >> yes, what we've seen, anderson, it's not like it what it was when we were here. the approach seems to be much more targeted. today, this evening what we've
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seen is specific targeting of leaders of jihad military wings the central and northern part of gaza. they seem to be much more focused than they were before. in audition to hitting the leaders when they were out and about, they have been striking at their homes, as well. we were at one house where this is a family affiliated with hamas. we saw seven people were killed there, including two children when apparently the head, the woman who heads the household there got a phone call from a man called david speaking hebrew telling her to leave the house immediately. peel fr people from the neighborhood gathered around the house as human shields, so to speak and israelis struck killing seven. the real focus is not on large targets but rather individuals.
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>> the israeli cabinet proved for the military to call as many as 40,000 reservest. a ground attack while possible is not imminent, is that correct? >> yes, and first of all, it takes a long time to mobilize those 40,000 men to get them down around gaza with the right ammunition and hardware for a ground operation. i was in gaza in 2009, january, when there was a ground incursion. it's a big operation. there is a lot of challenges because it's one thing to do air strikes but when you send men inside gaza, some on these ally ways and refugee camps, there is a high probability of a, many casualties among israeli forces and of course, among the palestinians themselves who don't have bomb shelters or protected rooms, so there is some hesitation among israeli
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military leaders to sort of take that step at this point despite the fact the government did authorize the callup if necessary of 40,000 men and women. >> appreciate the reporting. be careful for your and your team. there is more we're covering tonight. susan hendrix has the bulletin. a powerful typhoon is headihea heading towards japan. the storm weakened and could dump heavy rains on tokyo this week. the defense rests in the oscar pistorius trial. the judge will decide if the former olympic athlete accidently or dill libry lit killed his girlfriend. a combative donald sterling takes the stand where he's battling his estranged wife shelley. at one point sterling teared up
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but said she can't run all the corporations he runs. a judge will decide if mrs. sterling acted properly when removing him from the trust. that had herschel the la clippers for $2 billion. brazil's world cup dreams are over. they got eliminate in a stunning game, the final score 7-1. germany will face argentina or the netherlands. germany a power house here and really the team to beat, anderson. >> brutal, thanks very much. they called the parents' reaction startling. what is raising red flags? we'll look at that tonight and plus the video authorities say justin harris, the father watched twice days before his son died before he left his son in a car. how dangerous a car becomes on a trialing day. that's what the video is about. we'll show it to you ahead.
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crime and punishment. lee anna harris visited her husband justin harris. she stayed for about 36 minutes. justin harris is charged with murder and child cruelty in the death of their son cooper. the child died two months shy of his second birthday. he was strapped into his car seat for seven hours. harris says it was an accident. authorities combing his electronic footprints. he did serarches how long it takes for an animal to die in a car and how to survive in prison.
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martin savidge join us us from georgia. >> reporter: anderson, we don't do too much more about the visitation. we don't even know if there was a visitation. we saw the wife go in and 30 minutes later she comes back out but it's the policy not to say anything about anybody's visitation so we don't know if husband and wife actually spoke. lee anna harris' steadfast support of her husband seemed odd to a number of people and in the court of public opinion, odd is seen as a spasuspicious. what does it add up to? here is what we found. lee anna harris so far has shown very little emotion publicly even after hearing her son was left in a sweltering hot car for hours. >> she didn't show emotion when they notified her of cooper's death. >> reporter: police called the behavior strange but still, she's not considered a suspect. >> we have ideas in our head what the appropriate way to react to a tragedy like this is
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but, you know, the truth is people react in different ways. >> reporter: and those different ways aren't necessarily an indication of guilt far from it. after the body of meredith was found slayed, her roommate amanda knox became a prime suspect. while police searched the crime scene, knox was spotted kissing her then boyfriend outside. >> while he kissed me because outside in that courtyard and i was standing there looking lost and he felt bad for me. he kept close to me and was just trying to comfort me. >> reporter: the image of them kissing was shown all oefrt italian media and the public turned against knox calling her callous. knox served four years in prison and released before her murder conviction was upheld in january. in 2008. casey anthony was photographed partying with friends days after her daughter kaley went missing.
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her apparent lack of grief of her daughter's disappearance was a red flag investigation and she was charged with murder. a grief counselor for the defense explained her behavior on the stand. >> in younger adults, certainly among college-age kids, they have a tendency, reluctant grievers. they have a tendency to buy into the grief issue. >> reporter: casey anthony was found not guilty of murder. >> the behavior of a defendant after a mysterious death is often a very bad clue about whether they are guilty of anything or not. you need a lot more evidence than simply an odd reaction. >> reporter: but sometimes an odd reaction can indicate guilt. scott peterson's behavior after his pregnant wife lacey went missing on christmas eve of 2002 raised the suspicion of his friends and family.
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peterson put on a show of attending vigils and searches for his wife but those close to him say he seemed indifferent. because of inconsistencies in his story, and in part because of his behavior, police charged peterson with first-degree murder. his sister spoke to matt lauer in 2005. >> he didn't bring up lacey's name. he stayed away from the entire top pick. >> she's been missing for three weeks. >> yes. >> there are vigils all over the place, and he never brings up her name at dinner? >> no. >> scott peterson was found guilty and is currently on death row. >> martin, i understand you have details of one of justin harris' social media profiles. what is it? >> yeah, we did digging and found a site called scout. it was said on the day his son is dying in the parking lot, justin ross harris is communicating with a woman he met on scout. we found a man that looks like justin ross harris, only he's
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identified in his profile as rj, the photos certainly look like him and some of the information is accurate. he says he's married, by the way, and says he's 27, that's not correct, he was 33, and then it says he's from smyrna, georgia, he's not. there is a haunting quote that says just looking to talk, message me, i'm harmless. that certainly seems ironic given the circumstance he finds himself in right now, anderson. >> i want to bring in our legal analyst, sunny hostin and paul kalin. paul, it is dangerous to judge guilt or innocence by how a parent reacts. i mean, some parents freeze up, some parents, there is no one correct way to react. >> no, there isn't and as jeff toobin said, if there were the only bit of evidence, it would be a bad piece of evidence but as a prosecutor, every case that i prosecuted. every murder case.
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the behavior was a big thing in the case. and if the other evidence is strong, the behavior post killing will often sink the conviction -- >> so the fact you had the dad making a call while his son is lying on the ground and didn't call 911. >> not only that but another theory, if he came back to the car at noontime and knew the child was dead, all of his other actions he was faking. he was pretending when he pulled in he discovered the child. that is consciousness of guilt. a an odd behavior after a killing is a sign someone is guilty. you need more evidence but it's good evidence. >> you're particularly drawn to the wife's comments. >> as a mother myself and has a former prosecutor, i look at some of the things she said. what she said at the funeral, if i could have my son back, i wouldn't want him back. no mother, no mother says that. when she goes to the daycare center and finds that her son is not there, her immediate thought and what she says is well, he
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must have left him in the car, justin must have left him in the car. those inconsistencies or reactions just don't ring through and it look it from a juror. >> can those comments be brought into a trial if she is charged? >> they will come in if she's charged but in georgia you can force and compel another spouse to testify because the victim is a child. >> that's a special case. >> that's a special case. i suspect that may happen. >> as weird as they are, you can't make a criminal case out of that. you can't show she participated in the killing of the child. >> you cannot, i agree with that but i think a jury can hear the evidence. i think it's relevant because it happened in time. i think it could go to some sort of conspiracy and could go to motive. >> it wouldn't be relevant. >> also, the details about the rear-facing car set. his parents bought a front facing car seat he was too big
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for this rear-facing car sent several inches too big but they were using it that day. >> this is strange. when i read about this, i was trying to figure out how this would prove guilt or innocence, the theory is he wanted to use a rear facing one because it would support the claim that he didn't see the child where -- >> i think that -- >> you know, i think if they go down that road it's a bad road to go down. it was probably hard to put the new one in the car. >> it's harder to prove premeditation as opposed to reckle recklessness. >> even though i now have proof of motive, i think the prosecution did a great job and saying they are just scratching the surface in terms of financial did i have difficulties and living a child free life. i'm having trouble with the premeditation and intentional act, the nature of the act because we know that these accidents happen, happened over 40 times last year, anderson, and if he intentionally baked his boy in the car.
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that makes it the worst, it makes him the worst among us. what juror is going to believe that? >> there is a difference murder. that is he knew that he was leaving his child behind in the car. he was running inside to finish up his sexting and forgot to come back. that's depraved indifference murder. >> i could buy that. the sexting maybe is the thing we need to be looking at. maybe he's so obsessed with internet porn and sexting that he forgot. >> appreciate it. the video justin harris allegedly watched not once but twice days before cooper harris' little boy died in that car. it shows how quickly a car can become deadly in the heat. we'll show you that in a minute. m sea captain: there's a storm comin narrator: that whipped through the turbine which poured... surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price
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the day that cooper harris died, the temperature in marietta georgia topped 92 degrees. it was 88 degrees when the toddler was pronounced dead. a detective testified five days before his son died, harris watched a video how bad it is to leave pets in hot cars. here is a clip of the video that he watched. >> okay. so i'm your pet and i'm now in the car. i've got all four windows cracked down about an inch, so let's start a timeer and let's see exactly how hot it gets in here. the thermometer is reading at right about 94 degrees. 95 degrees. so it's pretty hot in here but we're just getting started so
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let's sit back and see how it feels in here. okay. i'm at five minutes in. it is unbelievably hot in here. we're nearing 100 degrees already, and i can tell you that it is stifling in here, and ten minutes in. i'll tell you, it is almost unbearable. at this point, the temperature is about 106 degrees, so i mean, it's getting to the point now where i can barely stand it. if i were a little dog left out here, maybe i'm barking, very nervous, i can only imagine what the core body temperature must be. as i mentioned, it's 106 in here at ten minutes in and i'm beginning to wonder if this was a very bad idea, indeed. okay. i'm at 15 minutes, now, and it's about 110 in my car. at this point, i would imagine if i were a small dog or a dog
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that is older, i'm going to be in serious trouble. it's been 20 minutes now at this point, and it is right hovering around 110, 112, it's going back and forth here depending on when we look at it, but needless to say, it's incredible hot. 25 minutes it's now, oh, gosh, what is it, 113 degrees. it's awful. the only thought that's going through my head right now is i want out of the car. you know, it's just everything in my body is saying get out, get out, get out. i can just feel sweat just going down my body. i don't know if you can tell, i'm fully drenched now. i have sweat just completely cascading down my face and nose,
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my lips and i can do that. a dog can't. a dog can't perspire. i mean, this killing, and it's a lousy way to die. >> that was 30 minutes inside a hot car with the windows cracked. that little boy cooper harris was trapped in his car seat for seven hours. joining me now is dr. sanjay gupta and the father of three. as you watch that video as a doctor, dad, it is amazing and scary how quickly that temperature shoots up in the car. >> it's serious. it's deadly. it's fast and the car is an oven. it's so morbid to think about, around so anders anderson, i will say your body, your normal body temperature is around 98.6 degrees. that's the average body temperature. what is happening often times is your body can compensate to a certain point. it can cool itself and puts these various mechanisms in
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place to cool itself but at some point when those mek anymochani fail, your body temperature shoots up and you get an idea, they were measuring the temperature in the car but within the body in a short period of time, you can suddenly spike your temperature up to 105, 106 degree temperature and that's deadly. >> i mean, i don't want to get to morbid, but how does somebody die in a situation like that? >> well, you know, at first, someone, you know, will be trying to compensate for the additional heat. eventually they will obviously will be sweating, eventually the cooling mechanisms fail. instead of sweating, the skin becomes dry. that's a terrible sign, but a person becomes agitated, confused and ultimately lethargic. they are just sort of unable to do anything, but ultimately, that type of heat, your body's basic machinery, cells and various organs can't work
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anymore. the cells break down and lice, the cells burst open and that can lead to organ failure and it is morbid to think about but that ultimately is what happens and ultimately someone's heart just fails. >> so the heart actually fails and obviously, an adult in a hot car in 30 minutes is different than a child. >> it can be with a child, a young child like this, it can be three to five times faster in terms of how quickly the body temperature goes up and the reason in part is because their cooling mechanisms aren't as efficient. as you get -- when you're in the prime of your life, your cooling mechanisms are at your best, when you're younger and older they don't work as well. so the young people and old people are particularly at risk. you saw how quickly the temperature rose in that car, even with the windows cracked. if the windows were not cracked in this case, you can imagine, 10 to 15 minutes the most
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dramatic increases. >> we know there were 40 deaths of kids in cars last year alone and one thing we keep trying to mention every time we do the story is other ways to kind of remind yourself your child is in that rear facing car seat, put something important in the backseat. sunny hostin used to put her shoes in the backseat so she wouldn't leave her car without her shoes, to remind herself is one idea. appreciate you being with us. thanks. >> coming up with more ahead. we'll be right back. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities.
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>> yeah, but we don't know how to do it. >> do you need help. >> do you know how to do it? yeah, this is our stuff. >> so i don't know where to begin. the two of them are trying to dismantle that canape. were they serious? clearly, not the masterminds. second of all, i don't know what you're do when you're caught in the middle of a summertime robbery. when jeff toobin tried to left with the set, i just got the heck out of there. not these ladies, apparently. no, the two there decided they will talk their way out of this one and keep the stuff, as well. >> this is yours? >> yes. >> wait a minute. >> this is ours. >> no, it is. this is all ours. >> not there. >> all of it, the chairs, the bag, this is all our staff. >> not the chairs. >> this wasn't part of the plan. this wasn't part of the plan. i love how they started pointing
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to everything as if it were theirs. the canape is ours. it's not? it's ours. the chairs they already loaded up on a cart, by the way, and when that didn't work, these two women with a child in sight pointed to a kid's plastic toy. >> that's okay. we'll let it slide but i'm glad i made it in time. >> i'm not making it slide. i'm telling you -- >> [ bleep ] him. >> no, step away from my [ bleep ]. how about that? >> they got annoyed. i like that she's like i'm not letting it slide. things are getting real down in florida. unbly, rich wants them to get away from his stuff. >> i will and then i'm going to take that camera and put it in the grass. do you like that? step back. >> stop it. >> stop it. >> seriously? >> seriously? she's going to throw his phone in the grass. by the way, they are on a beach, lady, there is not a lot of grass around. is that -- anyway, rich said the
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altercation continued after he turned the video off getting even more bizarre. the women eventually left the scene, rich declined to press charges. we have no idea of what handed, whether it was a misunderstanding as the husband, whatever the ladies said, this is buried up to its neck on "the ridiculist." that does it for us. we'll see you at 11:00. good edition of 360. "weed 2, cannabis madness" "weed 2, cannabis madness" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com there is real science now out. >> flat out wrong about weed. >> a year-long journey that changed what many of us thought about marijuana. myself, included. >> i think we've been terribly misled. >> we used to only picture this. then we showed you this. medical marijuana treating seizures, pain,
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