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to see their president when there is a disaster. why can't he show up on the border of texas? >> this isn't theater. this is a problem. i'm not interested in photo-ops. >> not at the border but a pool hall? well, that's a made-for-tv toast. "inside politics," the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters, now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thanks for sharing your sunday morning with us us to share their reporting and insights, robert costa, aid rhine carrasquillo, olivia knox of yahoo! news. maybe you think you have little or nothing in common with warren buffett, bill gates, sheldon adelston. running a joint appeal for immigration reform they pose a version of a question i often ask in our staff meetings why do we have a big government if they don't step up and solve big problems. they are paying 535 people to take care of the legislative

needs of the country. we are getting short changed. the three men wrote friday in the "new york times" it's time for 535 american citizens to remember what they owe to the 318 people who employ them. gentlemen, well put and good lucks. buffett, gates and adelson want sweeping immigration reforms, not happening, not this year but the most pressing question is can the president and his critics especially house republicans get past the war of words we've seen in the past week and find common ground how to deal with the pressing border crisis, molly ball, the surge of the undocumented children. they're talking at and past each other. there seem to be some seeds of compromise. will they get it done? >> i think this coming week may be the week we finally start to find an answer to that question. there is a lot of aagreement that something needs to be done and i think this past week was largely consumed with the side show whether the president ought to go to the border and a lot of this partisan finger pointing over why we're in this situation

to begin with. when you get down to it, democrats and republicans agree something has to be done about this immediate crisis. congress has said that, in some ways they don't like the president's request and i think there will be pressure on them this week to say what they do inste instead. >> part of it is the bad blood when the president and conservatives in the house. my question when with will they take yes. they've told the president for years pay attention to the border. they have his attention. he wants to send most or majority of the kids back, so what is the hangup then if the president seems to go through the policy list mostly giving conservatives what they want? >> they're frustrated with the president, not willing to fully engage but if anything happens it will be narrow, incremental, it's going to be a quickening of deportations, that something that coulden an area where they compromise. >> where does he get heat from the left? you've had the hispanic caucus

come out and other members, there's a 2008 law, just about everybody in the congress voted for it, if it you're not from mexico or canada you are guaranteed the hearing. that's part of the holdup. the kids are guaranteed a legal process to make sure there's not some reason, crime or refugee status they shouldn't be sent home. the president says most will go back how much heat does he get from the left? >> you have the humanitarian crisis and the aclu law came out a couple days ago. you have a lot of people saying is that something that's right when the kids are not getting proper legal counsel. you have to actually if you're going to say why they left their country in a place like honduras, had 32 murders of children in june this year, people have to ask why are you leaving? >> cecelia munoz was on "the situation room" with my

colleague wolf blitzer early last week. here's what she said when asked how many children will be sent home? >> we believe a majority are unlikely to qualify for humanitarian relief. >> how do you define majority and ultimately, in the sense of majority, is that half plus one or is it 50%, is it 60%? that would not satisfy the right and ultimately is it in the next weeks or months and years down the road. as a footnote the "l.a. times" did great research in fiscal year 2013, 20,805 unaccompanied children apprehended, 8% of them returned, only 8% of them. >> you've put your finger on one of the biggest problems, the trust deficit. republicans are very, very open about saying the simple fact is we don't trust this president to propose the right policy, we don't trust this president to implement the right policy so that's a huge part of this log jam in washington, d.c. you point out the majority issue is a big issue but the administration would say we

don't know yet, we can't commit to a figure. the last thing we want to do is commit to a figure and fall short. >> correct me if you disagree, part of the problem is some of the statements made by the leaders in this, because we're 114 days from an election aren't very serious. they're more geared toward politics and the base, they're not geared toward trying to get a solution. i want to remind some americans if you forget, here's 2006, there was this guy in the house, he was a leader, and he said look, the president's out there, he's bold. i may not agree with anything, the president, that was george w. bush at the time making the bold promises on immigration. we should try to get something done. >> he has pushed it out into the forefront, he ought to be congratulated for it. that's what presidents do, they lead, and while we have differences of opinion, we've got to find a way to resolve this. >> what happened to him? where did he go? >> i think speaker bainer is under immense pressure head of elections to have a partisan message against the president

and knows after the election he'll be up for the gavel again, wants conservatives behind him. you have the speaker emotional and volatile in his message against the president and the president seems to be campaigning. >> i picked on john boehner saying where'd he go, i don't see leadership right now and i get the dynamic in his party. some people say it's because there's a democrat in the white house. listen to the president saying he doesn't understand why today's republicans won't do what their hero once did. >> ronald reagan passed immigration reform. you love ronald reagan. let's go ahead and do it. i mean, what changed? i'm just sayin'. >> he knows, molly ball, what changed and that's not helpful either. republicans remembered the reagan bill where they granted amnesty to a lot of undocumented people and said they'd improve border security and the second

part never came. if the president wants to get a deal that language isn't going to help. >> it's almost silly that we're even still having this conversation whether the president can get a deal. this has been over for a long time. it's coming up again because there is now a border crisis, but i think immigration reform has been off the table for basically the better part of this year, and so that's part of why i think the president feels liberated to go off on the republicans when he made his speech about the executive actions that he was planning to take, feels like a century ago but really just a couple of weeks ago, the reason he did that, he had finally given up hope and finally been told the house republicans weren't going to do it. they've been stringing along their allies in the business community but this wasn't going to happen, and i think despite or more intensely because of what's happening on the border this isn't going to happen. >> you see on the senate side

saying let's rewrite the 2008 law, guaranties that process they want to take that process away or make sure it happens more quickly. if you get that done, that opens the gateway to how much money the president won't get $4 billion but something. if the president and speaker boehner are talking past each other, who emerges to be the voice of reason to get us a deal? >> yesterday you saw a voice of reason, the republican congressman of florida, working on the undocumented portion of the house bill and wanted to do something to give some sort of status, guest workers, whatever, for the undocumented people and he was talking about yesterday this is the border crisis is a reason for reform, not for republicans to say you see this? >> the speaker told him to go away, right? >> wasn't happy about it and also the dreamers, the idea maybe you should deport the dreamers and he's saying that's not helpful. >> the president says no because

of roberts calculation keep the tea party and the base happy. does the president back off from a broader deal if someone available and more aggressive deal if one is available because of the left and the same concern, if if you alienate latinos you downplay democratic turnout. >> the president hammers away the democratic controlled senate passed a xlenive immigration bill. it's a strong talking point couples with on the more modest side you want speedier enforcement of the law in some cases. he doesn't back off. he certainly doesn't back off between now and the midterm elections not on the rhetoric or private dealmaking. >> i think there is going to be maybe a breaking point, either boehner or the president has to back off with the current talking points. the issue on the border is festering and it will be a problem for both parties. i don't see ballardo ryan or others taking the reis. boehner or obama, who is going

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welcome back. republicans may have some secret information about lebron decided to hold their 2016 nomination convention in cleveland, hoping it will put ohio in the xwop column in 2016. we thought good use of our puzzle this week, take a tour through history to see whether your convention location really affects the election. 199, george and barbara bush in houston won texas but didn't win the election. bill clinton and al gore chose

new york, madison square garden. the timing helped there, that's when ross perot was getting out of the race. 2008, you betcha, the republicans thought going to minnesota might help them in the rust belt but it didn't. minnesota was blue in november. team obama will tell you they believe going to colorado in 2008 did help put that state in the democratic fold that voted for bush in 2004. 2012 barack obama went to north carolina, he won it in 2008 but not in 2012 so that didn't work. the republicans knew they needed florida, they went to tampa, nope, that went blue. so it doesn't always matter where you hold your convention. why would republicans go to cleveland, ohio? maybe you know the history. no republican in modern times has won the presidency without winning ohio. this was the map in 2012 when barack obama won it for the second consecutive time. what the republicans hope for in 2016 is if they're in cleveland,

their standing in the suburbs about go up a little bit more. see this blue here and see this blue here, what they're hoping for is that it looks more like this, if they show up in ohio that's george w. bush in 2004. robert costa, the guy who would like to be celebrated in cleveland is rick perry, among the republicans seeking the nomination. he did seize the national platform this week to get in a fight with the president on immigration. >> we see rick perry trying to rehabilitate his political career and i think he's become a different politician since his failed run in 2012. he's more easy going, more willing to engage with the president directly, a lot of republican also not do that and perry is one of the players who is under the radar but someone to be taken seriously. >> a harder tone on the surface but will rick perry on the debate stage in 2016 change his views from 2012. he was for a texas version of

the dream act, in-state tuition for some undocumented. will he go to the right on those issues or just on his tone? >> back then he said you have to have a heart when it comes to immigration and it looks like for him to make a play in the primaries he's thinking he has to be maybe a little tougher on imfwrags and the border is what he knows and so now the president is being pitted against him and makes him look good. >> is it olivier a moment in time or are we seeing rick perry to use this to become a serious player? >> i apologize in advance, time will tell. he looked pretty promising speaking in the previous cycle. he gave a couple great speeches to some conservative groups, looked like possibly the front-runner if you walked n governor of a big, important state with an interesting economic record and then we're facing that same question with him this time. clearly the border issue is much more relevant to the governor of texas running for president than some of the others. >> but if he goes hard right and

abandons his support for in-state tuition for example, something like the dream act allowing the younger undocumented who had no idea a parent or relative was bringing them across the border to allow them to stay and give them some path to status. if he abandons that, can he win in november? can republicans win in 201. f they have the same hard line on immigration when they lost two-thirds of the latino vote in 2012 and 2008? >> rick perry knows as well as anyone and probably better how bad the long-term politics of a hard line on immigration are for republicans. it's interesting if you look at the way the sort of texas republican party moved away from rick perry, rick perry when he entered the 2012 race remembered the rap on him he was a crazy anti-washington tea party right winger but yet a moderate position on immigration, the texas republican party had a moderate position on immigration but this year we have seen the new lieutenant governor nominee

in texas and all the way down the slate of the republicans who are now in power in texas are much more hard line. the party moved way to the right and that's going back to the convention part of the reason that the national republican party does not now want to be associated with the brand of the texas gop is because they have now taken this very hard stand on immigration. i think rick perry has made a smart political tunistic move on this particular issue because there's such a vacuum. nobody wants to stand next to the pictures coming out of the border, not president obama and really not any republicans and so this is an issue that rick perry can own and try to get himself taken seriously >> a lot of republicans won't even stand in a picture with president obama. rick perry, the president comes to your state, you should respect the office whether he's democrat or republican. he met with the president, he took the risk maybe behalf did we learn about the president? republicans all week long and even some democrats said mr.

president, you should go to the border. you're going to be in texas, you have to go to the border. the president said i'm not going, this isn't a game. >> this isn't theater. this is a problem. i'm not interested in photo-ops. i'm interested in solving a problem. >> he does a fair share like any politicians, olivier, a fair share of photo-ops when he thinks it suits his purposes. >> it's a tool, my reporting indicates he was particularly interested in avoiding one kind of photo-op. i talked to a congressional democrat who is fairly close to the white house, he goes to one of the facilities with these teenag teenagers, kids who are coming across the border and the images that go back to central and south america are if you send your kid illegally to the united states, the president himself will welcome you here. this person said i don't have a lock on what the white house was

thinking but that's part of the problem here. >> the republicans say stupid not to go, not leadership not to go. if that's the case, then it might be smart not to go. >> perhaps but i think the president at some point has to get down there. this is a national troers and it's looming over his presidency, and he may want to avoid political theater and may for a long time be able to put the blame on republicans but this comes down to him and speaker boehner, who will get there and have a solution. >> rick perry tried to connect to his katrina. you have the images george bush that didn't look good. >> have we learned anything about the president? one knock is he doesn't have the relationships to bring people together in a moment like this. i think they all share the blame. is there something missing from, it's mostly speech giving, it's not deal making. >> the message has already gotten down to guatemala and honduras if you get here we'll take care of you because it's true. we aren't going to let the kids starve to death in the streets, this is america, and so what i

think we have learned is that this is a white house especially in the second term that is not particularly receptive to outside pressure, wherever it comes from, whether it's from their own allies, whether it's from their opponents. they have chosen their course. they're going to stick to it and they decreasingly feel that anyone else ought to be telling them what to do. >> we'll see if they stick to that and the week ahead as they start to negotiate some of this. up next, tomorrow's news today as our reporters give you a head start on the big political news just around the corner. when you run a business, you can't settle for slow.

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let's go around the table and ask our great reporters to get you out ahead of the curve. molly ball? >> this may finally be the week that we learn what the administration is going to do with the long-awaited nondiscrimination executive order that was promised several weeks ago and then delayed when this troefs erupted after the hobby lobby decision about the tension between religious liberty and gay rights. in hobby lobby it was about contraception but this has set the administration back on its heels. they didn't expect there to be

such a difficult decision between the gay rights groups calling for there not to be religious exemption in this order and the religious groups saying there has to be religious exemption in this order. >> big test for the president. olivier? >> let's say the heavens open up and our elected leaders see the light and they agree on this short term $4 billion measure for the border, just say that. the problem is not going away any time soon. the latest figures for immigration court are pretty startling, a backlog of about 375,000 claims, and the average wait time, if you're in the system, before you see an immigration judge is 587 days. gives you a sense of the severity of the policy problem. we like to relate things pack in politics, that's natural but it gives you a sense of how long the problem has been neglected and how long it will be with us. >> adrian? >> if you thought this week was

interesting, next week will be about the kids, the stories of the children. the "new york times" went down to central america, why are these peeping loo everything? i reached out to different organizations. the debate is easy when it's about murrieta, california, there's protesters, two sides, an easy story for the media but there's been a quick jump at the political narrative and forgetting there's children now at the border. not everybody is against them. not everyone is just saying get them out of here. there's people that are trying to help them. i reached out to one organization, united with he dream, did a vigil at the border and went to a bus station where they're helping out some of the kids. i have them sending me photos and other groups along the border to do a photo story so you can see what the kids look like >> it will be interesting to see the faces missing from the debate, whether it will change the political debate. >> one of the more memorable images in presidential campaign history, bobby kennedy in the west virginia primary, trying to have a populist message.

on monday senator elizabeth warren will head to campaign for the democratic campaign there. this is a test for warren. can she go into a red state and resonate with working class voters and paul ryan will be there training for the republican. >> i'll close with this, rand paul continues to get most of the buzz among those taking an early look at the 2016 republican presidential maneuvering. he continues what one activist calls a relentless courting of an establishment skeptical of him because of his foreign policy issues and his dad. marco rubio, remember the freshman senator from florida has given a number of policy speeches in recent weeks and months and also using his political action committee to dole out money to key republicans in key states and key races, so more of a buzz brewing about rubio, but remember it was the immigration te bait in the senate a little more than a year ago that caused his start of fame, a lot of

people seeing if he wandering into the immigration debate. thanks for sharing your sunday with "inside politics." "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. more children weighed on to american soil while washington idles over what to do with them. today arizona senator john mccain on stopping the kids from coming and dealing with the 52,000 who have arrived since october. >> i have seen these children and they are being treated humanely, but it cannot continue. >> and the scene at the rio grande, as viewed by unof the u.s. border guards who works it. then -- >> he's been president for five and a half years. when he's going to take responsibility for something? >> i'm the guy doing my job. you must be the other guy. >> frustration paves the two-way street between the white house and the