end this crisis seems to be going nowhere. please be sure to join us again tomorrow right here in "the situation room." you can watch us live or dvr the show so you won't miss a moment that's it for me. thank you very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." live tonight from jerusalem. for our viewers in the united states, "crossfire" with van jones and newt gingrich starts right now. lawmakers are working on a plan to shut down the flow of immigrant children at the border. >> and they had the nerve to call this plan the humane act. tonight, governors refuse new immigrant immigrants. what will happen to the kids? on the left, van jones. on the right, newt gingrich. in "crossfire," charlie rangel,

a new york democrat. and michele bachmann, a minnesota republican. let them stay or send them home? plus, the outrage of the day. tonight on "crossfire." welcome to "crossfire." i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> and i'm van jones on the left. in the "crossfire" tonight, we have two of the most outspoken members of congress. now, neighbors taking in neighbors. that's what you do in a crisis. we have a refugee crisis right now. kids in our hemisphere, in other words, our neighbor's kids are in trouble. they're running for their lives. the question is, are we being good neighbors? not all of us. two governors, governors now are in effect sending out the message, children in trouble? no room at the inn for them in my state, keep them out of my state that. is shameful. and worse, over the weekend,

this graffiti popped up on a former military facility in maryland, where it was just rumored that some of these kids might be sent there. it says, no illegals here. wrong spelling, wrong values, and wrong for america. maybe we should just ship the statue of liberty back to france. >> we're delighted tonight to have democratic representative charlie rangel of new york, and republican representative michele bachmann of minnesota. charlie, you're an old friend. i have to ask you this. you've heard our good friend van here who is worried about these governors. would you recommend to governor cuomo, you know, president obama has about 60,000 children available that he can send to new york. new york could become the exact example. you could fill up the adirondacks with children. would you feel comfortable saying governor, i have a great opportunity for you?

>> i'm glad you haven't lost your sense of humor, newt. this is a great time for america to stop talking about what a great country we are and just show the compassion that we have. compassion that it is not just american but what the american people really are. i can't imagine how michele bachmann would be if she saw a kid in the department store crying his heart out and you embracing him, can i help you out little one? americans do more of that i think than anybody in the world. do we have a complex legal immigration problems? you bet. but if you think for one minute that little babies -- you know, god does good work. the older we get, the worse we screw up his work. >> would you be comfortable if governor cuomo -- >> come on, what does he have to do with this? are you afraid the canadians are

coming across the border. >> he could offer to take the 60,000 children. >> why should we offer? if we don't have the resources to take care of these kids, i'm in the wrong country. >> let me get you in here congresswoman. you are probably the most compassionate person in the u.s. congress. you have taken in 23 foster kids, is that right? if you saw these kids, and to the congressman's point, if you saw these kids, they're hungry and scared, wouldn't you take them into your home if >> we've taken 23 foster kids. we raised them and graduated them from high school. these children were legally in the united states of america. i want to frame what we're talking about. since april, we've had an invasion of 300,000 to 500,000 is the estimate foreign nationals penetrating and coming across america's southern border. yesterday, i spent the day over at the national counterterrorism

center. i sit on the intelligence committee. our own government is extremely concerned about who is coming across the southern border. we have foreign nationals that are coming across the southern border from countries like yemen, iran -- >> but the children -- >> no. the estimate is 57,000. >> just answer my question. >> van, it's important that viewers understand what we're talking about. >> yes, children. >> since april, 300,000 to 500,000 foreign nationals at their election have invaded the united states -- >> are you talking about children being invaders? >> you left out the whole story. these aren't all children. there are 57,000 children but the total number of people coming across are 300,000 to 500,000 foreign nationals

penetrating and are in the united states to date. >> listen, we have all kinds of problems in the country. but there are 50,000 who are children, who are young people. are you calling them invaders? you're saying these children are invaders? >> foreign nationals that have come into the united states are between 300,000 to 500,000. my heart is broken for a female college student in minnesota who was raped, murdered, and mutilated by a foreign national who came into our country. these are illegals who came into our country, and we had a school bus full of kids in minnesota. four children were killed on that school bus because an illegal alien driving a van -- >> hold on a second. that are lines that can't be crossed here. >> if you want to talk about compassion -- >> i'm sorry, but are you going to -- >> my tears are crying for -- [ all speaking at once ]

>> we should not scapegoat every one of these kids. you know better as a congress person -- >> don't scape the american people -- van, don't scapegoat the american people right now who are losing jobs. look at chicago last weekend. there's a huge protest last friday from african-americans on the south side of chicago who said, president obama, why don't you pay attention to the kids who can't get jobs here? we can't get jobs, we're homeless, we have fatherless youth who are subject -- >> do you think it's fair to pit african-americans who are -- >> i would like to come to her defense, because this is two beautiful ladies. one is a republican, the other is a mother and a compassionate person. what you're trying to do is mix the two. she's never going to say anything against beautiful, young children. she'll talk about all the invaders coming across the

country. but there's one thing that was recorded that you said, and i don't want to believe that either, is that we should not do anything for these children, and i said oh, no, not in my house she didn't say that. another thing that you said, god forbid if we should pass an immigration law, it would be the end of ever having a republican president. i said, that doesn't sound like her, it sounds like a candidate for president, but not my michele. but she would not know how in her christian body to say something against these children. but she's against immigration, period. >> and you think it's fair for her to pit the african-americans who are suffering in chicago against these children? do you think that's fair? >> some of the people in her party have said about the president, i think anything along that line is now accepted.

ten years ago it was ridiculous. >> chicago is an interesting problem. 82 people were wounded, 17 died, which is by comparison, the st. valentine's day massacre in the '20s was seven people. so in one weekend in one american city, 82 people wounded and 17 died. shouldn't we be more concerned about americans in chicago? >> newt, that is a serious problem in chicago, and i would want to discuss it. but there's no way you can stretch your imagination to talk about children that come here, escaping torture, victimization, poverty, and manage to get to the boarders of the united states of america and we turn our eyes away from them and now we're going to talk about kids killing kids. don't do that.

i don't see the connection. what it is, these kids in chicago, it's hard for me to believe that they manufactured these guns. it's hard to believe they started off in life with the same opportunities as you and us. it's hard to believe that most of these kids are going to end up dead or in jail or unemployed. we've got a lot to talk about -- >> what i would like to say -- >> you have and reverend sharpton have done a lot toward dealing with that. if you can bring this back to the boarders, these little kids, there's a guy that carries a bunch of kid's pictures. i told him once, my buddy dave, every murderer, terrorist that you ever see looked as cute as that. he hasn't talked to me since. so don't get her to talk about those children. >> this is no joke. we've never, in 236 years of this nation's history, had a

situation where our southern border has been erased. effectively what we have is a president of the united states who has decided, what laws? we don't have any border security laws. so he's not enforcing the boarders. there's a reason why we have border security guards. we've increased the budget for border security guards by 54% since barack obama came into office. we have 22% more border security guards than before. it's not lack of money but lack of political will. what i care about are the people on this side of the border, the american people being disadvantaged. >> okay. we're going to be back in a minute. the 2016 race for president is about to get much more interesting. not on the republican side, but among the democrats. but first, today's "crossfire" quiz -- how far was hillary clinton ahead of barack obama in december of 2006? was she 14 points ahead, 22 points, or 35 points?

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mistake after mistake. and you read that there's now a ready for -- how can you not sit there drinking your coffee thinking, after five or six self-destructive weeks, it's happening all over again. and what would you and bill talk about at that point? so charlie, you went through that whole campaign. i think if i remember correctly, you were loyally with hillary. >> she was my senator. you bet your life. >> i'm curious, don't you think there has to be a little sense of deja vu all over again with this current last couple of weeks of bad reporting? >> if indeed it's true as reported that hillary clinton is looking forward to running as president, you bet your life she should be looking at everything around her. but if she had charlie rangel in her corner and she was concerned about senator warren, i would tell her, darling, they haven't got anyone to run against either one of you two, and they should

give her such small comfort. >> i'm not sure she's worried about the republicans yet. >> what is your view? elizabeth warren is apparently able to take this populist message into red states. do you think this is somebody who might be able to pull away some republicans? >> i don't see her as necessarily taking republican votes, but i think she will be an extremely attractive candidate for the democrat voters in 2016. if she chooses to mount a run for the presidency, i would agree with newt, i think that if i was mrs. clinton, i would be extremely concerned with what i see. it's interesting what i'm seeing in all the national journals. it's a swoon fest right now over elizabeth warren. they're salivating over her, because she represents a progressive view, people want to go that direction and i think there could be some trouble.

>> you could be in a situation where democrats have two women running. you as a woman ran. you said that elizabeth is a progressive, but a lot of the stuff she's talking about is majority opinion stuff. the majority opinion wants to be tougher on wall street. don't you think she could run up the middle? >> no, she's a progressive. good try, van, but she's as progressive as hillary is. >> you represent new york city and you understand wall street and all this. >> good try. >> and you know the clintons pretty well. i think hillary has done a lot in the last few weeks to make us realize she's in the 1%. isn't she going to have this challenge that warren is going a reform wall street, not just get money from it. and isn't hillary's all speeches from those kind of places going to become an anchor that makes

her campaign harder? >> you know, people who don't have money, don't hate the 1 percenters, for reasons i don't understand. but, you know, roosevelt, bloomberg, all were millionaires, billion and millionaires. and i really don't think the fact that she has been a recent recipient of wealth has anything to do with where she would go in order to bring about some fairness and equity and justice to people, when you think of the disparity between incomes. >> as close as you are to the democratic base, i think you're whistling a little bit past a certain graveyard here, in that maybe it's not because she's got money, but when you talk to base democratic voters, there is a concern she's been too close to wall street, too cozy with wall street and that elizabeth warren has been tough. >> oh, vann. >> doesn't that open up a door? come on, you're one of the best politicians. >> look, i don't know how much money has as a result of his back, but he's not linenox aven

poor, and if you take a poll right now, the clintons and the obamas would win automatically. so i really don't see how you really -- this is good stuff for the tv, she's talking about being broke, and then it turns out she has $300,000. these are the issues that will go away. it's not going to be a bump -- >> they go away, unless elizabeth warren gets into this race. now, you know and i know that elizabeth warren gets in this race and starts pushing hard, elizabeth warren, by the way, and you love young people. elizabeth warren has been banging away on this question of -- >> what do you mean win love young people. we love young people. >> but i do think the point that mrs. clinton has presented herself in a light that just doesn't ring true rubs people the wrong way. because they do wonder if maybe mrs. clinton has lost touch with the average person. and they look at somebody like an elizabeth warren, and she's got fire in her belly, and she is connecting with people when

she's on the stump. and that's what people want. they saw that in barack obama. that he was connecting with people on the stump. so the question is, who's going to connect with the hearts of people, the minds, but the hearts. and i think elizabeth warren has been edging out mrs. clinton on that -- >> you know, one of the reasons i'm reluctant to vigorously endorse hillary clinton is because, that's all you have to talk about. but i would rather talk about, you know, the last we had this issue, in the presidential election, i was so ashamed to foreigners, for them to believe that that was the best that my country hadded to off ed had to. >> are you talking about the republican party? >> no, there is no republican party, that's my problem. if there was, if there was a republican party, democrats and republicans would be able to vote on all of the issues, immigration, jobs. right now, there's the tea party, and what's left of the

republican party. so, no, there's no republican party. >> you know, i've had a hard time, vann, tracking even -- with all due respect -- what charlie said in the last four minutes. the fact is we have a vibrant, growing republican party that the democratic party has been scared to death of this fall. oh, man! >> i know you, and you're right, but they won't let you vote. that's the problem. >> vote? i don't even get what you're talking about. >> we'll get to that when we come back. also, for the outrage of the day. i'm outraged because there is a prize winning journalist whose life story has been featured on cnn who was detained today by immigration authorities. we want you to weigh in on this at home. should jose antonio vargas have been detained today. tweet yes or no. give those results right after this break. moderate to severe crohn's disease is tough,

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vargas was released today by the border patrol, but his detention was a total waste of time and a total waste of money and a total outrage, newt. >> i'm not sure it's a total outrage. i think it poses a very serious challenge when you're asked for your documents by the border patrol, you don't have them. and now you're saying, oh, but as long as he's famous, we should go ahead and break the law. our fireback results showed jose antonio vargas being detained today. right now, 64% of you say yes. 36% say no. what do you two thing? should he have been detained? >> vegas, i think if he has a latin speaking name, he ought to be detained -- i mean, that's ridiculous. there's a part of america that no one wants to talk about, and that's presumptions that are made not on your -- >> but i think the one thing we should talk about is the fact that no man should be above the law. the law needs to apply equally to every person there is.

>> well, listen. i want to thank both representatives charlie rangel and michele bachmann. this debate will continue online because you're both wrong. we'll continue on cnn/crossfire as well as on facebook and twitter. for the left, i'm vann jones. >> and from the right, i'm newt gingrich. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. next, breaking news, the middle east cease-fire, dead. should the united states do more? plus, a growing terror threat. dozens of american citizens could be planning attacks against america. and the alleged killer call girl about to face a judge in connection with the death of a google executive. tonight, the growing popularity of the website that brought them together. let's go outfront. good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking