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ran aground off tybee island, georgia. there are no reports of injuries. that's it for me tonight. thank you so much for joining us. i'll see you back here next week on cnn. "ac 360" starts right now. good night. hey, good evening. thanks for joining us. there is breaking news tonight. a very brief pause in the israeli bombardment of gaza. and now hamas is saying it will stop firing as well. not soon enough, though, for a group of boys killed by naval gunfire in gaza, or for an israeli man killed from a rocket strike. a look beyond the temporary ceasefire, when and whether the two sides can agree on a longer truth. later, the alleged call girl with a stable of men, who are who now dead. instead, the arrival on our southern border of tens of thousands of undocumented immigrant children is being met with overheated rhetoric and paranoid ranting from
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politicians who only stoke the anger when they should be finding answers to a very real crisis. >> you're just lucky. none of you are better! >> instead, this is what they're countering. they blocked the bus of a few dozen kids to a ranch for troubled youth until hearings on whether they can stay in the country. >> the reason why lady justice was -- >> well, in the crowd making a speech, this guy republican state legislator and congressional candidate adam kwasman. when he saw a bus, he tweeted this is not compassion, it is abrogation of the rule. he tweeted this out, ran to confront the bus, later telling a local reporter about the encounter. >> i was able to actually see some of the children in the buses. and the fear on their faces, this is not compassion. >> it's unclear whose compassion he is talking about there, and whether what that has to do with
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the fear on the faces of children as their bus encounters an angry mob of screaming grownups. the kids might just as well have been puzzled and not scared because -- well, watch. >> which children on the buses were those? >> i saw a school bus with plenty of children on it. i'm assuming that that was the bus that was moving through. >> he assumed it was the bus. but it wasn't the bus. >> do you me that was a bus with ymca kids? >> they were sad too. okay. i apologize. i didn't know. i was leaving -- i was leaving when i saw them. so if that was a school bus, people are not happy down the line. that is an error by me. >> should you be making those kinds of assumptions on such a charged issue and talk about seeing the kids when those weren't the kids. >> i said i saw children. >> but those were not migrant children. >> those weren't migrant children. that's fine. listen, when you see -- i was a mistake that was a mistake. that was not correct, then that's a mistake. >> kids from the ymca. it certainly was. but he is right.
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people are upset. you hear people talk about trojan horses, contagious diseases, even sinister white house plots to turn red states blue or turn the count socialist. keep them honest. plenty of that hyped up language is coming straight from the mouths of not everyday people but elected representatives. >> world english dictionary defines invasion among the definitions is invading with armed forces. but it's any encroachment or intrusion, the onset or advent of something harmful, as in a disease. >> there is the d word again, disease. let's just take a second to insert some fax here. the disease word is getting tossed around now all the time. keeping them honest. according to unicef, the vaccination rate for kids in honduras ranges from 88 to 94% for common childhood illnesses. according to the cdc, the rate for american kids is actually
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slightly worse. now when it's not disease the people are accusing these kids of, it's crime. here is republican florida u.s. congressman richard nugent. >> you know, where do they get the child? and a lot of these children, and the first caller mentioned it, they're gang members. they're gang affiliated. these kids have been brought up in a culture of, you know, of thievery, a culture of murder, of rape, all those types of things. and we're going to now infuse them into the american culture. it's just ludicrous. >> so, again, keeping them honest. while gang violence is a very real problem in central america, and no doubt gang members cross illegally into the united states, there is plenty of evidence that the kids we are actually talking about here are kids fleeing violence there is no good evidence they have come here to spread violence there are other theorys from politicians. republican congressman steve king and steve stockman told world net daily this is all a
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deliberate move by the obama administration which is derived they say by a strategy by radical sociologists to transform america into a socialist state. congressman king referring to the sociologist claimed kloward and piven. i do feel this attempt to flood the border with illegals is the ais a playing out of the clowar-piven theory. to make it into a blue state. that's the open secret, according to him. after cloward-piven, that sounds downright simple. the time for action, for actually passing legislation to address this problem is ticking away. there is just 11 days until congress breaks for the summer. dana bash is there along with republican strategist anna navarro, former huntsman 2012 chair and dan restrepo. dana, let's start with you. you're on capitol hill. every day you talk to the
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members of congress. do you get a sense this kind of amped up rhetoric is actually increasing? >> well, certainly with the members that you put up there, which is unfortunately not that unusual. but i actually had a chance to talk to one of the members, republican richard nugent. and you well know this, anderson. sometimes when we try to chase -- try to talk to members and clarify their comments, i have to chase them down the hallways that wasn't the case with congressman nugent. he and his staff invited us into his office where i asked him if he stands by his comments that some of these children coming illegally are actually gang members. he said yes, and explained why. >> i believe that some members of ms 13 have come across the border. i know that only because of the reports from fox news, from phoenix that reported in an interview with the president of the border patrol union that was talking about just that particular issue.
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and it is about 16 that were identified because of the tattoos they had. it doesn't mean they're all identified. >> but as a sitting member of congress, you also have access to try to get information on your own, not with news reports. >> right. >> have you tried to figure out if what you saw and what you said is accurate? >> well, i mean, i can only go by what the border patrol, the president of the union said. i would suspect that he is being accurate. i have no way of double-checking that. it's not within my district. you do take that at face value, because as a fellow law enforcement officer, i don't think he is going to lie to us. >> now, he mentioned that he is a fellow law enforcement officer, anderson. congressman nugent was actually a sheriff for 38 years before he came here on the republican wave in 2010. and he said that that's why he heard these comments. he believes it. but he also did say he understands that it is likely a
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very small number. this customs union had it is just 16 they had identified. that really pales in comparison to the 50,000 that we're seeing come across. but he is also eager to say he is a parent, he is a grandparent. he obviously feels for these kids, the majority of whom are probably fleeing from terrible conditions at home. >> it is interesting, though. in the headlines-grabbing rhetoric, you know, when people are screaming, that's what they're screaming about. it's not the factual 16 members of ms. and no doubt there are gang members coming over. we all know this. but to paint everybody with a broad brush seems an odd thing. and factually incorrect. it seems like every time immigration becomes a serious issue we get this kind of inflamed talk, particularly those against any kind of reform efforts and just want to focus on border security. and many are republicans. does your party risk being damaged by this, and what do you make of this kind of rhetoric? >> first of all, some of the majority of the congress people who you highlighted in this
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story frankly are the ones who is the only reason they live is to be anti-immigration. it's why they get on tv. they don't get on tv because they're relevant when it comes to any other passing of legislation. really the ironic part here, anderson, that hasn't been talked about much is that the united states when we deported criminal aliens back to these countries, which i think we have every right to do, and anybody who comes here and becomes a criminal should be deported, but we deported a lot of these gang members who had taught themselves and become gang member here is in the united states, exported all those bad things they knew into countries that have broken down justice systems. they just don't have the ability, that they are corrupt, they are inept, they are incapable of dealing with a flow of gang members going back into these countries. and it turned into a very big problem in central america,
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which is now biting us back in this current situation. >> ana, you're exactly right. back when i was with abc news, in '95-'96, i was down in el salvador doing stories on just that, on gang members from l.a., from 18th street, from ms who had been deported and rightfully so because they had broken laws, ended up starting the street gangs in el salvador that have gravitated south. it's become a huge major issue. dan, if you look at recent polling, certainly democrats aren't faring that better either. why do you think that is? >> i think it's two things. one is there is a lot of crisis fatigue, and it's hard to look at what is going on at the border right now and put anybody in the right. i think people see a crisis and have a basic sense that nobody is doing a perfect job here. and then among democrats you have to remember the president was under pressure from advocates and from democrats, and remains under pressure. and from some democrats to do a lot more from the undocumented population that is already in
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the united states administratively. because republicans in congress have decided that they can't or won't do comprehensive immigration reform, he is under a lot of pressure to ratchet back the deportations, ratchet back some of the enforcement that he has been engaged in over the course of the last five or six years. the politics on this on the democratic side of the house is quite different than what we've seen from republicans in that abhorrent rhetoric that you had at the top of the segment. >> it is interesting, dan. we had on sheriff babieu from arizona. i was kind of stunned. maybe i'm naive on this. for a law enforcement guy, he put out a press release saying that no federal immigration laws are being enforced. which is just factually ridiculous. whether or not you agree they're effective laws, whether or not you think they're ridiculous laws, even the way the kids are being treated is based on a federal immigration law from 2008. so there is so much rhetoric that is not factually correct which is inappropriate at a time like, this particularly for a
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sheriff to be putting forward. >> absolutely. this is in the context of a president who is being assailed again by immigration, pro-immigration advocates as the deporter in chief. a guy who what deported 400,000 undocumented immigrants per year throughout his presidency in accordance with man dates of federal immigration law as passed by congress, and monies appropriated by congress. so the notion that immigration law isn't being enforced is ludicrous. but it also shows how detached from reality the voice, the anti-immigrant voices are in this debate. and sadly that. >> tend to concentrate in one political party. and they tend to concentrate within the republican party. and they've held that republican party hostage in the house in a way that doesn't allow a comprehensive solution or part of a comprehensive solution, part of immigration reform to move forward. it's something that is supported by the majority of the country. >> and beyond -- forgetting about comprehensive immigration reform. just in the time before, congress goes away on break, do
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you see some sort of change or whether to repeal the 2008 law started all this. do you see some sort of actual change or something that will actually take place that can affect all these kids coming over? >> well, we do think that at least next week the house of representatives is going to pass something. likely going to be a change to that 2008 law. and probably some form of the money that the president is asking very unlikely. it's not going to happen that he is going to get the $3.7 billion that he wants. but the issue is then going to be what about the democrats. dan is exactly right. just in the last hour, the homeland security secretary, jay johnson was here on capitol hill, trying to convince not just republicans, his fellow democrats that they've got to change that 2008 law to try to make all of these countries central american and the contiguous countries the same to be able to allow the government, the administration to send people back without these hearing. and that is a very controversial
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thing within the democratic caucus. >> and it is sort of strange there is a different law for people from mexico, for kids from mexico versus kids from central america. >> actually, it was not a law for kids from central america. it was -- >> trafficking. >> it was an amendment that was sponsored by senator dianne feinstein back in 2008. and it was meant to protect victims of human trafficking. so that they wouldn't be immediately repatriated and fall back into the hands of the human traffickers immediately after being repatriated. never having the intent and never foreseeing that this issue would pop up. >> right. >> but, again, look, anderson, we're talking about our neighbors in the region. you know, people that can actually walk over here, ride a train over here, ride a bus over here. so it's very different than if we're doing something with nigeria or some other country where these things are not possible. i think we have to stop the finger wagging. we have to stop the partisan blaming. we have to look at this problem comprehensively.
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look at all the factors, and really be able to address it and do so quickly and also with a degree of compassion. >> ana navarro, appreciate it. dana bash and dan restrepo. you can see the interview with congressman nugent on our website. a quick reminder. set your dvr. you can watch "ac 360" any time. still ahead, undocumented immigrant jose antonio vargas about his recent brush with the law, apprehended along the border. we'll talk to him in a moment. bowe bergdahl is back on regular duty now. the latest on that. we're going to talk to his new attorney who joins us, ahead. nineteen years ago, we thought, "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress.
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tonight one of the best known faces and host honored names in the immigration debate joins us, jose antonio vargas, who is best known for his work "undocumented." now he is known as the guy on video getting busted by federal authorities in mcallen, texas. that happened yesterday. he was detained briefly and release on his own recognizance. he joins us tonight. thanks very much, jose, for being with us. did you have any idea that you would likely be detained? i read some tweets you had sent out when you were down there saying you're in the country illegally. you're traveling without a visa. you sent a tweet saying you aren't sure how you are going to be able to leave. did you really have no idea this
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would happen? >> so, i think it's really important i clear up the timeline. so i flew down there because i was invited by undocumented youth leaders from there and also from d.c. to come down as a way to show solidarity with what is happening with the child migrant crisis. i actually went and visited a shelter, and we filmed in the shelter what is happening with the refugees, what is happening with these children, which is just completely heartbreaking. so i flew down thursday morning. the moment i got there, one of the young women, one of the people who lived there, tanya chavez said to me oh my god, i'm really happy you're here. but how are you going to get out. and i looked at her and i what are you -- what are you talking about? i've been flying around the country with a filipino passport and there has never been a problem. and she said but you're on the texas border. this is basically a trap. this is a trap. when you live in that 45-mile radius, you can't go anywhere
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without there being a checkpoint or without border patrol being at the tsa line at the airport. now in all of my travels across the country in the past three years, there has never been a border patrol agent next to the tsa person. so all of this started sinking in by thursday night. and i talked to my friends. i talked to people at the divine american and try to figure out how am i going to get out of here. they were trying to figure out how they're going to sneak me out. and i'm thinking wait a second, i have to -- you know, have i the agency to tell people when you're undocumented in this country and you don't have a single piece of government-issued id, this is the situation that you find yourself in so i ended up staying a couple more days. >> was this, in fact, a stunt? your critics are saying there was someone with a video camera there when you were actually detained. i talked to supporters of the kids crossing over that you're taking attention away from the very real issue of the kids and the story has become you as opposed to these kids.
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>> well, all of these stories, by the way, are intersected in some way. i came there to video. and we actually have it now. what is happening down there with the child migrant crisis, that's what i came there for. i didn't know that the 45-mile radius is basically a military zone. that i didn't know. but here is what i find really, really interesting. what is the stunt? i had to get out of south texas. i had to either get out by car or by plane. if i got out by car, anderson, if you had driven me by car, you would have gotten apprehended for smuggling me out. so it was either i get out by car or plane. that's not a stunt. that's the reality of what it's like to be undocumented in this country. >> do you worry this overshadows, though, the very real issue of what is happening to these kids? i know you went down there to focus on that. but the story the last day for a lot of people has become you getting detained. >> yeah. well, i mean, i think this is just in many ways how these issues get conflated, right? let me give you an example.
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people are saying the border is not secure. i can tell you right now as somebody who spent almost five days in that area that it's definitely secure. i ended up spending actually about seven to eight hours at a border patrol station. it's exactly with some of theki that are just crossed. i don't think it's taking any attention away. it tells you what it's like to be undocumented in this country and what happens when kruer in that area and you're trapped. now i got out. can you imagine living in an area -- i mean, i talk to people who have lived in this area for 17 years, anderson, and never left. can you imagine that? i talked to a woman who is an american citizen, right, a 20-year-old woman, roxy, whose parents are undocumented who have not left that area for 15 years. >> because they're afraid. >> or a guy who couldn't. i mean that's horrible. >> i know you now have to appear before an immigration judge. we'll obviously continue to follow that jose antonio vargas, i appreciate you being on tonight.
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thank you. earlier you heard about a u.s. congressman warning about gang members coming into the country from el salvador and honduras. again, there is no evidence this is happening in any substantial way. that congressman said he had been told there were 16 members of ms cominging out of tens of thousand of these kids there is plenty of evidence, though, of what these kids are running from. you can find it, as rosa flores said in honduras at the local morgue. take a look. >> in this corner building in the coroner's office families come here to claim bodies to find out if their loved one is alive or dead. take a look at this wall. this entire wall is filled with men and women who are missing. overnight there were four bodies that came in to the coroner's office. and that's a decrease. [ speaking spanish ] it didn't take long for us to find a grieving family. these two women are looking for
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jorgeville lobo. >> they had a family pack to go to disney, the entire family. the family went first, the wife and kids. he was supposed to leaf later. he had his visa to go to the united states, his tickets. but they say he stayed only to die. he was killed. she is saying they couldn't find her son. [ speaking spanish ] they found him dead. >> si. >> and they were raided. they couldn't recognize his face. his facial features were destroyed somehow. [ speaking spanish ] she says that people here live in fear. that's how they live. they don't have another option. her nephew, the person that they're trying to identify today actually, she says actually helped her when they were trying to kidnap her, extort her for money. she says she just doesn't know what the future holds at this point. some people don't want to come here to claim bodies because they don't want to be associated with their family member who
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ends up dead because hear this. gang members come here to the medical examiner's office and they case out families to figure out who is next in that family unit that they would be attacking. now, this is the medical forensics truck that actually brings the bodies here. the medical examiner tells us that 48 unclaimed bodies are in this facility at this point in time. now here is the sad thing. a lot of the families in honduras think that their family member is on their way to the united states only to find out that they're here, dead. >> that's rosa flores reporting from san pedro sula in honduras. new information in bowe bergdahl and his disappearance five years ago. i'll talk to his brand-new attorney, ahead.
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funerals. official says the death toll in gaza is now more than 200. in israel, a 37-year-old civilian killed in a hamas rocket attack this week. he was buried today. he is the only israeli fatality so far. wolf blitzer joins me from jerusalem. what do we know about it and what has israel said about it? >> the israelis say they're very disturbed by it. they say they have launched a full-scale investigation to try to determine what happened. the prime minister netanyahu's spokesman mark regev told me his general now has been asked to lead this investigation. they think it was probably some sort of major mistake. they want to review it to make sure it doesn't happen again. the same time, they also point out,they say these four little palestinian boys would be alive right now if hamas accepted the ceasefire yesterday, the one the israelis accepted, the egyptian-sponsored ceasefire. indirectly they're blaming hamas. but they acknowledge they may have blundered by somehow in that operation. and they say they feel horrible
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about that. >> the pause in the air strikes tomorrow, israel has been very clear that it's not going to hesitate to resume them if that window is exploited by hamas, right? >> right. they say they're going to intensify their activities, their military action. a lot of people are in fact bracing for at least a limited israeli ground incursion if these ceasefires don't hold. the israelis say they'll accept that six-hour humanitarian pause that the united nations put forward. as we speak right now, anderson, we're still waiting for an official response from hamas. one of their spokesman told me earlier that they have questions that need to be answered, and they'll get back to us whether they're going to respect that u.n. proposal. >> any kind of a ground incursion into gaza is obviously a incredibly difficult thing and dangerous thing. it's going to result in a lot more fatalities. does israel think it can actually achieve its objectives without invading gaza? does it seem inevitable that they're going to do some sort of a ground operation? >> i've spoken with a lot of israeli military analysts and people the military.
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and they say there is certainly a lot they can do with these continued air strikes. but there are certain things they can't do because a lot of the hamas infrastructure, if you will, military infrastructure storage of rockets is deep underground. they have a whole network of tunnels. and you can't simply do that, especially in the heavily populated areas of gaza that would require boots on the ground, as they say. it's still a tough decision that the israelis have to make, because there will no doubt be a lot more palestinian casualties, including a lot of civilians who will be killed. and there will be israeli casualties as well. israeli troops who will go in there. some of them will be killed as well. so this is a very, very difficult decision for prime minister netanyahu and his inner security cabinet. >> all right, wolf blitzer, i appreciate it, from jerusalem. thanks. turn now to army sergeant bowe bergdahl whose disappearance and homecoming have sparked such intense debate. he is back on the job for three days now, returned to regular duty this week at fort sam houston in san antonio. as you know, he was released by the taliban six weeks ago in a
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controversial prisoner swap. now he could be facing a court-martial. his lawyer joins us shortly. but first, ed lavandera has the latest. >> release me, please. >> reporter: the army has already conducted much of the investigation into bowe bergdahl's disappearance and capture. but those investigators have never heard directly from the 28-year-old army sergeant. that's to be change. now that sergeant bergdahl is back to regular army duty, his lawyer says that in the next two weeks, he'll meet with major general kenneth dahl, the man appointed to lead the bergdahl investigation. according to u.s. army regulation, the general has about a month left to present his findings and make recommendations to the army on whether bergdahl should face criminal charges. >> the army is going to look at this to make sure that they don't get embarrassed. >> do you see any way that bowe bergdahl is still in the u.s. army a year from now? >> i don't. i don't think that anyone is going to want to work for him or under him. and i think that he is probably ready to get out as well.
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>> reporter: army officials say bowe bergdahl has completed the official reintegration program and that he has now been assigned administrative duties for a unit at fort sam houston in san antonio, texas. all of this while he waits to hear what army investigators will do next. in the meantime, army officials insist he is being treated like any other soldier working as a sergeant. >> what they typically do is assign them to some kind of a special project, and that's code for not really doing anything. he is probably doing some sort of administrative work. maybe at a desk job. >> reporter: in the days after bowe bergdahl was turned over to u.s. forces by his captors, the soldier's friends and hometown of haley, idaho, anxiously awaited the emotional reunion with his family. >> you are free. freedom is yours. i will see you soon, my beloved son. >> reporter: army officials have said that a reunion would be arranged any time bowe bergdahl asked for it. but that reunion hasn't happened, and there is no sign it will happen any time soon. army officials and bergdahl's
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lawyer say it's a private family matter. in recent weeks, army officials say bergdahl has ventured into public. he has gone to grocery stores and restaurants and even been recognized by civilians on the streets. his future, though, is still very much in limbo. ed lavandera, cnn, dallas. >> eugene fidell joins us. he is bowe bergdahl's attorney. i understand you met sergeant bergdahl for the first time in san antonio last week. what can you tell us about the visit? i know because of attorney-client privilege there is a lot you can't say. what can you say about him? >> well, i can tell you, anderson, that i liked him immediately. and part of the -- without going into any confidential conversations, part of the thing that a lawyer hopes for in an initial meeting with a client is that there be, you know, a symbiosis. in other words, that one gets
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along with the client and vice versa. and i certainly had that feeling. i consider this an important case. it's one that i was very happy to be asked to participate in. >> did he express gratitude? >> to me? >> no. to the united states, to the administration for being rescued? >> oh, that's -- what he told me was, and i'm saying -- i'm disclosing this with his consent, that he is deeply grateful to president obama for having saved his life. >> i know you said you spoke to general dahl. he is leading this investigation. he is high level. do you have a sense of the timetable for this investigation? and has the military spoken to your client yet about the details of him leaving, or is that something that general dahl will do directly with sergeant bergdahl, and obviously that would be something you or the
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military attorney would be present for? >> right. i'll be present for those interviews. >> but as far as you know, no conversations have taken place up to this point between the military and sergeant bergdahl? >> that's correct, aside from the debriefs that have occurred before the reintegration process ran its course there have been a number of government agencies who have been interested in talking to him. and my understanding is he has cooperated start to finish with the authorities. >> and finally, obviously, i'm not asking about the circumstances of him leaving or whether or not he has talked to his parents, because i know you won't answer those questions for your own attorney-client privilege. do you have the answers, though, in terms of has your client -- have you talked to your client about the circumstances of his leaving or at this part of representation you haven't even gone that far? can you say? >> i've had substantial conversations with my client
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about the -- there was a judge who used to say the meat of the coconut. >> the meat of the coconut. okay. >> it was the late judge charles richie in washington, d.c. i think i have a very good sense of the core facts. we'll learn more. i still haven't seen the original report that was done several years ago which is classified. i'm going to see that in due course. and obviously, we'll get a chance to see general dahl's report. but i have a pretty good sense, i believe, of how events actually unfolded on the ground. >> eugene fidell, i look forward to learning more. i appreciate you being on. thank you. >> thanks for the opportunity. coming up tonight, accidental overdose or murder by heroin? that's the question for an alleged high-priced call girl charged in the death of a google executive. ♪ ♪
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was found dead on his yacht in september. at the time his death was ruled accident. but now the prostitute, alix tichelman has been arrested and is in custody. kyung lah has the story. >> reporter: shackled, her tattoos visible under her red jail jumpsuit, alix tichelman stood before a judge, accused of being a paid prostitute, a heroin addict and killer. >> you know, what is particularly shock manage this case, though, is just the glacial callousness and coldness that she showed toward the condition of the victim. >> reporter: her alleged victim 51-year-old forrest hayes, a google executive and father of five. he was the so-called sugar daddy on the website seekingarrangement.com. police say he met tichelman, a silicon valley prostitute with 200 clients on the site. last november, police say surveillance video shows tichelman giving him what would be a lethal dose of heroin. hayes began to overdose. >> she immediately started to walk around. she gathered all of her personal
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items. she cleaned up the drugs. she walked around with her glass of wine in her hand as she stepped over the body a number of times. >> reporter: this crime and even darker image than the one she portrayed on social media. the heavily mascaraed 26-year-old openly shared her love of the underbelly of society, shock rocker marilyn manson, the tv serial killer show "dexter." her tattoo displayed on twitter reads "till death do us part." sex the undercurrent in her pictures, flaunting her body in numerous provocative images. >> it's called peach fuzz. >> reporter: a self-described exotic dancer was openly struggling to find her path in life, a distant cry from her apparently privileged upbringing. her facebook says she attended expensive private schools as a child. her father seen leaving here in court could afford it. he is the wealthy ceo of a tech company. but his daughter was seemingly struggling, something that wasn't just confined to
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california. in georgia, tichelman had met nightclub owner dean riopel who died from a heroin overdose last september. >> i think my boyfriend overdosed or something. he won't respond. >> reporter: that's alix tichelman calling 911. >> why do you think it's an overdose? >> because that's -- there is nothing else it could be. >> is it accidental or intentional? >> definitely accidental, accidental. >> reporter: police in georgia agreed, ruling the death accidental. but now they've reopened the case. >> the similarities, basically, the deaths of the two men by heroin overdose. and the common denominator being miss tichelman. >> the case is sad. five children no longer have a father. but to demonize and sensationalize and totally blame alix tichelman is simply wrong. >> reporter: tichelman's public defenders say she is a heroin
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addict. she was hayes' prostitute. but that they say was it. thinking case is about two adults who gotten gauged in a consensual and mutual drug use affair. it was all in the context of a sexual encounter that he initiated, he encouraged, he wanted. and it went awry. it went bad. but it was unintended. >> that was our kyung lah reporting. up next, john f. kennedy jr., 15 years after his death, his life, and how he is being remembered, next.
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15 years ago today, the sad another sad page in the kennedy book is written. john f. kennedy and his wife killed when the small plane he was piloting crashed off martha's vineyard. tonight we remember. from the moment he was born, john f. kennedy jr. was in the spotlight. a little boy from a famous family who experienced tragedy at far too young an age. his third birthday the same day as his father's state funeral. his move out of washington didn't diminish the public's obsession with his nearly every move and expectations the young charismatic member of the kennedy clan. he spoke of his father's
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political legacy to the history channel. >> i think he would have wanted both his children to live their own lives and not try to mimic for the sake of public expectation his life. >> so john went into magnificent publishing instead of politics. >> "george" is a magazine that understands that culture is more powerful than politics. >> in 1996, he married carolyn bessette, a publicist in new york city. she was beautiful, stately. they were in the eyes of the public the perfect pair. less than three years after they married, john, carolyn, and her older sister lauren boarded a single-engine plane at a small airport in new jersey. they were going to john's cousin rory kennedy's cousin in hyannis port and were going to drop off lauren at martha's vineyard along the way. it was july 16th, 1999. the pilot was john himself who had just gotten his pilot's license 15 months earlier. visibility was poor that night, but the plane was cleared for takeoff at 8:38 p.m., 12 minutes
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after sundown. after about 48 minutes of flying, the plane suddenly turned right towards the open ocean and started descending quickly for reasons still unknown. kennedy may have been trying to avoid the haze. the martha's vineyard airport was only 20 miles away, but the troubles for the plane continued and it ended up hitting the water. >> a plane believed to have been flown by john f. kennedy jr. is now being reported as overdue and officially missing. >> the search for the missing plane began. >> the water temperature is 68 degrees. survivability in those water temperatures has been exceeded. but i think those are only statistics, and they're just factors in terms of all of the things that we look at. >> on july 21st, the bodies of john, carolyn and lauren were found. carolyn and lauren were near the fuselage. john was still strapped into the pilot's seat. an investigation later found that pilot error was the probable cause of the crash. the three passengers died on
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impact. if he had lived, john f. kennedy jr. would be 53 years old today. but like so many other members of the kennedy family, his life was cut short. at his funeral, john jr.'s uncle ted kennedy said we dared to think that this john kennedy would live to comb gray hair with his beloved carolyn by his side. but like his father, he had every gift but length of years. 15 years ago today. we'll be right back. did you know, your eyes can lose vital nutrients as you age?
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building in maryland to house some of the undocumented children who crossed the border. that plan reportedly was scrapped, but someone armed only with a strong opinion and a can of spray paint left a message on the building anywhere. and there it is in all its glory. no illeagles here, no undocumented democrats. you notice the creative spelling of illegals. some might argue if you can't even spell the word illegal you shouldn't weigh in on the top or a quick investment in spell check might be a wise use of time. maybe ill-eagles really does refer to under the weather birds. i mean who would want a bunch of sick eagles hanging around? certainly not me. not in my backyard. or maybe somebody doesn't appreciate the styling of ill eagles, the facebook band. it doesn't seem like they have been playing a gig in a while. but there are posters and photos from a few years ago.
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maybe may have broken up due to creative differences. we're not sure. in any case, must graffiti be spelled perfectly to maintain its impact? if those request to vote lib libetarian or ronny 2012, would you take them more seriously? doubtful. however, if you can't spell, perhaps you to should step way fry the spray paint and twitter. i'm talking about the always relevant sage who returned to impart his wisdom once again, weird al. ♪ ♪ hey hey hey ♪ if you can't write, in the proper way, if you don't know how to conjugate ♪ ♪ maybe you flunked that class and people mock you ♪ >> he's still got it. that's weird lines.
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the whole thing is worth a listen. look it up and watch your spelling, people, especially if you abide by the spray it, don't say it philosophy of injecting your opinion into seriously debate, be careful you don't end up scrawled on the ridiculist. thanks for watching. "anthony bourdain parts unknown" starts now. ♪ pity the salary man. tokyo's willing cog in an enormous machine requiring long hours, low pay, total dedication. and sometimes what's called karoshi, death by overwork. here in a society of tight spaces and many expectations, the pressure is on, to keep up appearances, to do what's expected, to not let the interior life become exterior.