the answer. >> and there you have it, a friend of one of the flight attendants on board, the majority of passengers on mh 17 were actually from the netherlands, at least 154 according to nationalitys released by the asia airlines were from the netherlands, 45 from asia. we will look at the russian-made missile capable of downing a big triple 7 yet, 33,000 feet above the ground. we'll be right back. you are with cnn. we're trying our best to be role models.dels. we don't jump at the sound of the opening bell, because we're trying to make the school bell.

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welcome back to our breaking news coverage of malaysia flight 17. the u.n. security council will pete in a emergency session a few hours from now to discuss the incident in ukraine. the secretary general of the united nations is calling for a quote full and trance parent international investigation, unquote, to determine who fired the missile that brought down the plane as we were mentioning earlier, the united states says it believes the plane was brought down. the kiev has released separatists in eastern ukraine discussing who sunk down the plane, thinking perhaps it was a military transport and not an aerialer. anderson cooper has more on what ukraine's president is calling a

terrorist act. >> malaysia airlines flight 17 departed amsterdam, 298 people on board, 283 passengers the rest crew members. the flight's path took the jet over central and eastern europe before continuing on into asia. at 2:15, ukraine's air traffic control lost contact with the aircraft while it was cruising. >> a malaysian airlines flight with about 295 people on board has crashed, we are told. >> it's last known location in the donetsk region of eastern ukraine about 30 miles from the russian border, an area rife with fighting between ukrainian military forces and pro russian separatists. this video shows the moment of impact. parts of the plane crashing into a feel, debris scattered for miles, personal belongings still intact on the ground. a reporter at the site described

horror. >> there is bodies displayed out in the field. people said it exploded in the air. everything rained down in bits and pieces, the people inside and the plane, itself. >> reporter: president obama was reached by president putin and pledged his support. >> i directed my national security team to stay in close contact with the ukrainian government. the united states will offer any assistance we can to try to help determine what happened and why. >> a u.s. official confirming to cnn the plane was brought down by a surface-to-air missile. exactly who fired that is unknown. the prime minister quickly blamed separatists. we do not call it an incident orcas that toef, he said, but a trifrt action. there were planes flying over parts of the ukraine. the faa band all flights in

april because of the ongoing connext. no such bans existed for this part of eastern ukraine. >> anderson cooper reporting will. the white house is calling for an immediate cease-fire in ukraine to insure a safe and complete investigation of the crash site and recover sadly and tragically in this case the recovery of the victim's body is something that has to be considered. so, the big question that we have been asking that the world has been asking, what brought down this plane and one of the prevailing theories is a surface-to-air missile system is responsible. here are some details on the missile system that may have brought down malaysia airlines flight 17. the ukrainian administer adviser claims a buc, surface-to-air missile hit the plane. it's russian made, a self propelled missile fired from a launcher, usually mounted on a vehicle like a truck. this is heavy weaponry we are talking about here. it can target a plane up to

25,000 feet in the air or twiefr,000 metres in the air i should say, yes, 25,000 metres in the air about 82,000 feet roughly double a commercial jet. according to jason defense analysts, both the ukrainian and russian militarys have these weapons in their arsenal. cnn's tom foreman has more on this particular missile system. >> if you want to figure out what could have hit this plane, you have to think about the circumstances of the plane at the time. it was about 32, 33,000 feet in the air over ukraine. it was about 30 miles away from the russian border. so you cannot hit this with some shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. they're just not strong enough. what you would need is something much more like this. this is the buc anti-missile system it's one of those that is being talked about in this case. it is a four-man unit. it has four ready-to-fire

missiles up on top. it can set up and fire quickly and move away after firing very quickly. those missiles have a tremendous amount of power. let's bring those in here and talk about. that each is 16-feet long. we are showing it small tore make it fit. it will weigh about 1,500 pouvenltdz it has a 150-pound warhead on it, that means 154 pounds of high explosive. it doesn't have to hit the target but get close to it. with electronic guidance systems it can get very slow and do it in a short period of time, 22 seconds from the time it's radar acquires the target to the time a missile like this can be launched. look at the speed. it trfls at a top speed of more than three times the speed of sound. even if it were fired from 30 miles away, it could have hit a plane like this in 40 seconds or less. that means people on board would

absolutely never even see it comin coming. >> justin joins us. the united states is asking for full access to this crash site, i mean, we've had and we've seen, you know, separatists, reporters, walking ul a over this crash site. it's going to be difficult. after all the evidenced that needed to figure out what happened, perhaps. >> this is one of the things that makes it easier for russians who say they support an open investigation, they know the rebels on the ground probably instructed that, but even if not are going to do tear best to obstruct most of the evidence they can on the crash site and because it's a fairly open an shut case. >> when you say fairly open an shut, your teary, it's the theory of many now that

pro-russia separatists in eastern ukraine took this plane down? >> yeah the way the look at it, yes, the ukrainians have this system as well that. i have no reason, because the separatists don't operate aircraft and any in the ukrainian airspace is either civilian, which is proved in this case, tragedy. no reason to fire or potentially russians on ukrainian airspace, which has happened the ukrainians the last thing they want to do is shoot down a russian aircraft. when a single shell crossed the border imagine if they shut down a russian military acre the last thing they will be doing is shoots down surface-to-air missiles. the people using them are separatists in the last couple of weeks. >> how is this going to change things if it, indeed, emerges

with some level, some degree of certainty that pro russia separatists from russia accidentally sought down a special airliner, killing almost 300 people? i mean, this is going to change things on the ground as far as the conflict is concerned. >> it is, you know, this sort of instance is why there has been so many efforts over the last couple of decades to prevent anti-aircraft missile systems around the world. there is going to vastly increase the diplomatic pressure if russia. it is also going to force many european governments which up to now have shown a distinct unwillingness to put more heavy sanction on russia and take it off the line, particularly of germany and france as well. to, you know, take more united and strong stand against russia because there is going to be such international outrage with this with good reason. >> okay him we were discussing the surface-to-air missile system. you mentioned that the ukrainian

military has this, would have no reason to take down an aircraft because they're not fighting an enemy in the air essentially. russia has it the pro-russian separatists we believe have it. so right now, based on the calculation of many as they sort of assess all the information we have right now this is coming from pro-russia separatists? >> absolutely. >> justin bronk thank you for joining with us your expertise an analysis. >> we will have a lot more on this story, including the human tragedy here as we were discussing with justin all the military tal calculations, who has this weaponry, in the end, people lost their lives, we now have pictures of one of the passenger was died in this crash. glen thomas was among a group of world hope employees. they were heading to the 20th international aids conference in australia in melbourne.

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this is a terrible tragedy. we den know the cause but there is speculation the plane was shot down. if that is the case, even unspeakable crime. >> that is julie bishop the foreign minister of australia. by the way, we are awaiting a statement from the prime minister of australia tony abbott. just to remind you of the nationalities we know of the people on board malaysia airlines flight 17, 154 from the netherlands, 45 from malaysia, 27 from australia. but we are still awaiting for 41 unverified nationalities to be revealed and there is a possibility, of course, that any of these total numbers for each individual country might go up. so we'll bring you that when it happens from australia. let get you caught up on the

breaking news out of ukraine where that passenger jet crashed. u.s. officials say it was, in fact, shot down, probably by a surface-to-air missile. ukraine's government is blaming separatist, pro-russia separatists for the eastern part of the country. kiev says it overheard a phone call. 298 people were on board the amsterdam to kuala lumpur flight. this is aftermath am cure video of what we believe to be a plume of spoke rising above the wreckage if eastern ukraine. no sign of any survivors. . let's turn to another story we are following the super typhoon that has made landfall, tiemp rammasun is expected to continue pummeling gaungdong and authorities are on high alert. if you are not a part of that world, our meteorologist is tracking from the cnn weather center for you. ivan. >> if are you if that part of the world, are you probably not

watching cnn, i must imagine power outages abound, which is now taking the brunt of this typhoon. as i see it landfall a few minutes ago right around 6:30 gmt. so what happens is there is the eye clearly discernible t. center of the eye, the storm essentially is where we find the lowest pressure. it touches land, that is technical landfall. at this point the storm was going a little further north to west. you see at the end there, just wobbles to the west which is why these storms are so dangerous and fickle. we have to be careful. 230 kilometer per hour winds. we are getting stronger than that. >> ivan, i will interrupt your apologies, let's go to the

australian prime minister. let listen. >> by whether appears to be a russian-backed rebel missile, i can confirm that the nationalities of the victims were as follow, netherlands 154, malaysia 43, ind feiend feesia . the philipines three, canada one. there are still 41 whose nagsally is unconfirmed the advice that i have is that the final number of australians on board is 28. we grieve for all but we particularly grieve and pray for the australians who have lost their lives. i can further inform you that a department of foreign affairs and consulate officer has been dedicated to each of the family

groups of the victims involved. 11 department of foreign affairs and officials are in the process of being deployed to the ukraine. i would urge people who are concerned about the plight of their family members or loved ones to bring those numbers, again, the number here in australia is 1,30055513 eye. i understand over 900 calls have been received by the consular emergency center. the australian federal police is sending a liason officer to kiev to commence discussion on australian assistance with the investigation process, including support for the initial

ukrainian investigation. we do welcome the ukrainian investigation which has been announced by this absolutely essential that there be a full thorough and impartial international investigation which has full access to the site, to the debris, to the black box reporter and to any person was might be able to assist with that investigation. absolutely essential. we are working for abiding u.n. security council resolution to this end. we have spoken already today to dutch prime minister and i will shortly speak to the prime minister i will making a range of calls over the weekend

foreign pinster bishop has spoken to her dutch and new zealand counterpart. she also will be making a range of further calls him i can inform you that the russian ambassador was called in, in sydney by foreign minister bishop and asked for a categoric assurance that russia would fully cooperate with this investigation. i have to tell you that the initial response of the russian ambassador was to blame yukrain this. we all know there are problems in ukraine. we also know who is very substantially to blame for those problems and the idea that russia can somehow say that none of this has anything to do with them because it happened in you cranian airspace, frankly, does

not stand up to any serious scrutiny. i want to say to the australian people that as far as i am concerned when you have a situation where russian backed rebels appear to have killed australians, using it may well turn out to be a russian supplied heavy weaponry, australia takes a very dim view, indeed, and we want the fullest possible investigation. >> how would they do that in. >> i think it's very important at that time we find out the facts and it's very important that we don't allow russia to prevent an absolutely comprehensive investigation. so that we can find out exactly what happened here. i mean, this is not an accident. it's a crime i tres it's not an

accident, it's a crime and criminals should not be allowed to get away with what they've done, so there has to be a full impartial international investigation and russia should certainly not be able to stand in the way of that just because the aircraft has come down over territory controlled by russian-backed rebels. >> if president vladmir putin doesn't help with this investigation, is he still welcome at the g-20? >> that's a very fair question, chris, it's a very, very fair question. i don't want to preempt what might happen in the weeks and months ahead, i just want to say it is absolutely imperative if russia is to have any understanding at all the complete russian cooperation with this, no provocation, no

blame shifting, no protecting of people who may be backed by russia but who might have been involved in this terrible event. >> that would be a decision for you to withdraw the invitation for australia or the decision in the group? >> well, australia would be aktd act intellectually in this, this is an important gathering. it is also very important australia act with the strength and self-respect that you would expect of a country of our standing. >> using slightly harder language and other world leaders in relation to culpability for russian-backed troops, do have you any forces? do you have any particular reason for doing so? >> well, this aircraft didn't come down through accident.

it was shot down. it did not crash. it was downed and it was downed over territory controlled by russian-backed rebels. it was downed by a missile which seems to have been launched by russian-backed rebels. again i want to stress australia takes a very dim view of countries which are facilitating the killing of australian vidz citizens. we take a very dim view of this. >> have you attempted a contact with president putin? >> strong words from the australian prime minister there saying about mh 17. this is not an accident. it's a crime. criminals need to be held accountable, saying russia needs to help with a thorough investigation as to what brought down this plane, tony abbott saying it is looking rightly

that perhaps separatists in eastern ukraine brought down the plane with surface-to-air weaponry. it appears based on many of the analysts you spoken with supplied by russia to these rebels in eastern ukraine asked would vladmir putin be welcome at the g-20? he said that is a very good question. a quick break, our breaking news coverage continues after this. stay with us on cnn. if you don't think "feed the then you don't know "aarp". .

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