good morning to you. it is 6:00 right now here in atlanta, georgia. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. this is "new day sunday." we welcome our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. >> first thing this morning we're learning large numbers of bodies in the crash of flight 17 are being retrieved. >> cnn team on the ground in ukraine say the bodies are put on refrigerated train cars, this is at a station near the crash site of course. international observers say they have been told these bodies are from the downed flight but they cannot confirm that. they say the trains will remain there at the station in place until international specialists arrive. a ukrainian searcher said earlier that they found 196 bodies at the crash site. of course we know the total number of those on board, 298. >> so still 102 people missing.

this comes as malaysian airlines is tweeting that it's retiring flight mh-17 as of july 25. it says it's doing so in respect for the 298 passengers and crew who were on board that plane shot down thursday over eastern ukraine. >> the russian president vladamir putin is coming under growing international pressure over the crash of flight 17 zblcht in a front page editorial in britain's sunday times, this is an outrage made in moscow prime minister cameron says the growing weight of evidence points to a clear conclusion flight 17 was blown out of the sky by a surface-to-air missile fired from a rebel held area f. add. this is the case this isdirect result of russia destabilizing a sovereign state, violating its territorial integrity, backing thuggish militias and training and arming them. >> he is not the only one with strong words. others say russia must act now or face the consequences.

>> when you have a situation where russian-backed rebels appear to have killed australians using it may well turn out to be russian-supplied heavy weaponry, australia takes a very dim view indeed and we want the fullest possible investigation. >> translator: i'm late for this news conference, i mad an intense conference with the russianment. i told him he has one last chance to show the world he means to help. he must show to the netherlands and the world he does what is expected. >> and secretary of state john kerry called russian foreign minister, he told him that moscow must get the rebels to lay down weapons and allow complete access, get complete access to the crash site.

>> ukraine's foreign minister says russia needs to use its influence over the rebels. listen to this. >> now is of course about the group talking to the terrorists but it is of course about understanding how to put pressure on the terrorists and it's up to international community to put relevant pressure on russia because the main back of the terrorists and the majority of the terrorist are russians. >> so let's bring phil black in. he is there at the site in eastern ukraine. >> phil, so glad to have you with us. we're hearing about the bodies being loaded on these refrigerated train cars, wondering what you are seeing at the scene and how it compares the crash site now to what you

saw yesterday. >> reporter: sure. let me talk you through what's happening behind me. i want to show you this. it's a good illustration of precisely who is in control. you can see those men with the weapons, they are members of the pro-russian militant groups, they are here today and you can see they are pushed back a line of control here, pushed all of the international media back to this point. that is because they, this group, is traveling with the observers from the organization for security and cooperation in europe who are traveling across various sites around the crash impact zone today. this is their security detail effectively. our own colleague chris cuomo is traveling with that observer delegation as well. and it is from chris that we've learned that the bodies that have been removed and a lot of them have been removed over the last 24 hours from the site, have been taken to a train station a short distance from here, a few miles, where they are now being stored in

refrigerated cars. it's that location they are expected to remain until more expert investigators arrive here on the scene. i guess that is a point worth making for all of the change that we have seen here at the site the last day or so, and it has been considerable as i say a lot of the visible bodies are now gone. we are not yet seeing that expert investigative presence coming here locking down this zone and beginning that forensic examination to try and determine precisely what happened. >> it's a striking image to see those men lined up there right behind you. when we spoke with you last hour, you told us that the vehicles were not allowed beyond that line but journalists, international journalists on foot were allowed to go in. is there any explanation why they have now pushed the line thus far exactly where you're standing? >> reporter: i think it is the presence of this observer team. that's what -- that is

essentially what this detail behind me is responsible for, they arrived with the observer team, and i guess we'll know fairly shortly whether they are going to leave with the observer team. there is no doubt the level of control has been expanding outwards. access to the site has been coming increasingly more restricted. but, it's incremental as you can see we're still just there, pretty close to areas of the impact zone here. it is not of the standard you would expect for a full-blown investigation into a disaster of this nafrp. improvements on the ground. in terms of control and activity by the emergency workers who are coordinating the recovery effort for the victims' bodies. but there is still a really long way to go. >> phil, you know, victor said it best, that is a striking image of those men behind you standing there with their weapons. can you give us a sense what it's like for you to be there? i mean, do you feel the tension? do you feel nervous at all?

we're trying to understand the sense of things there. >> reporter: sure. one of the issues i know we've been talking about the fact it depends on who you meet at what time of day and what patch of territory. the pro-russian militants can vary in their attitude and approach and level of discipline. particularly toward members of the western media, particularly toward representatives of an american organization. and we've seen that evolve not just since this accident but from the earlier days of this uprising here in the east of ukraine. we spend a lot of time in this country in recent months. in the early days of the armed uprising there was often quite a degree of anger and hostility from militants toward members of the western press. in reents days we've seen that i think we've seen a different attitude on the whole. it has been more supportive but that is not universal. it does depend upon who you meet at what time and where because they range in the level of training, discipline and the degree to which they are

prepared to follow to the rule the absolute leadership of the individuals that are ruling, the pro-russian militant groups. there can be tension. particularly at checkpoints. you don't know who you are going to meet. on the whole in recent days, particularly since this disaster, they have generally been more supportive. but one message they have been very keen to make to us, we talk to them, they are not willing to put down arms. they still want to fight. >> phil, we see maybe a half dozen of these rebel fighters behind you. we know that at least the search area, it's called the biggest crime scene in the world, but the search area is essentially 13 square miles, 34 square kilometers. to have control of that area how many of these fighters are there? is the leadership giving you any idea of how deep their ranks are? >> reporter: it does vary because it is such a wide area. you can visit areas that are clearly part of the crash site

because there is the presence of debris. but you see no presence whatsoever of these pro-russian fighters. at the main impact zones, that is where it's most obvious. even then it is pretty light. i think most of that security presence from the militant groups is at the check points on the roads leading into this location. at the site itself the biggest presence is from the ukrainian emergency ministry workers, the people ultimately answerable to the central government in kiev. they are here in the hundreds we're told across this area but still a relatively small group, they are the ones i think have increasing authority on the ground. they are the ones that are really pushing out this area of control that we've been talking about. but they are still being supervised by small numbers of the men we've got. they make it clear that they get to do and they are working there with their permission under their supervision and so forth. so, it is a complex hierarchy if you like, but what we have seen

today certainly i think are the emergency workers expanding their control, expanding their authority and increasingly limiting access to these main impact zone areas. >> all right. boy, phil black, thank you so much for bringing us that scene. a very different one than what we saw just one hour ago. you all take care there. >> thank you, phil. >> we'll be talking to phil again throughout the next few hours. cnn is going to have so much more on this investigation into the crash of mh-17. secretary of state john kerry in fact, joining candy crowley on state of the union today at 9:00 a.m. eastern so hope you can be here for that. kids and moms, dads, grandparents, as we reported, all among the victims of this malaysian airline crash. family members are running out of patience. they want answers and they want their loved ones returned. >> plus, hundreds are injured in heavy shelling overnight in

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bodies are lying in the streets. and the intensity of the attack mean ambulances can't even reach everyone who needs help. >> let's go to cnn's correspondent ben wedeman near the scene. i can see you in a monitor. you just ducked. what's going on? >> reporter: it appears some sort of warning rocket was fired in a building just about i would say 300 to 250 yards behind me. that usually means that perhaps in the next few minutes a much larger missile will be fired. and this is really been going on much of the morning. and this part of gaza is calm compared to what's going on in the neighborhood behind me where there are plumes of thick black smoke rising from that area. by my calculation, the bombardment has been going on about 15 hours and there were

many in that area. but this morning i saw thousands of people streaming out of that part of town, coming to the relative safety, i stress the relative safety of gaza. many of them carrying small children, some with plastic bags with a minimum of possessions. they could keep. they were staying in their homes until the sun rose. now, according to palestinian medical sources, at least 40 people killed overnight in that shelling. more than 400 wounded. but that's just a preliminary number. ambulances cannot reach those areas within the neighborhood so badly hit that the firing is still going on. it's expected the number is going to increase much more dramatically. so really, the last 48 hours here in gaza we've seen sort of constant bombing, constant bombardment. a death toll increasing by the hour at the hospital they told

my colleague carl penhall, that they are running out of medicine, running out of supplies. the doctors are really stretched to the limit. they are trying to send the wounded to other hospitals in gaza. but no road is safe in gaza. there is not a square inch in gaza where any one can be assured they are not going to be harmed. now, many people who fled have gone to u.n. schools, more and more are opening up. yesterday we were told by the u.n. that 62,000 people had sought refuge in u.n. schools but that number clearly has increased by thousands as people flee that neighborhood behind me. >> ben, quickly we hear so much about the civilian death toll there. do we know if anybody from hamas has been killed or injured? >> reporter: overnight in the neighborhood the son of a hamas leader was killed. the israelis are saying that they have killed 70 hamas

members. that's the number on the ground here, it's very hard to ascertain. what's interestings i have been in gaza when there have been -- there has been street fighting between the israelis and various other palestinian groups. not just hamas. and this time around you see nobody in the street. i have not seen one man who you could clearly identify as a hamas fighter. they are keeping a very low profile. but as i said, the israelis are saying 70 but it's not altogether clear how many have actually been killed. >> all right. ben wedeman, do stay safe please. you and your crew there. thank you so much. >> we'll have more on the crisis in gaza later. wolf blitzer will interview israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in our 8:00 a.m. eastern hour, just shy of two hours from now. also, again, secretary of state john kerry is candy crowley's guest on state of the union at 9:00 a.m. eastern.

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we saw a few moments ago the top of the show with phil black the scene very tense there at the crash site. armed militia members escorting international monitors all over the site, well, in some areas of the site. let's bring in mary scalvo and tom puentes. >> have you ever seen a crash scene like this where militia are preventing monitors from the investigation? >> well, no. i mean i've seen crash scenes that look like this but not where armed guards are pointing their weapons at persons there to perform their jobs and take care of the crash scene. seems to me the wrong people are staring down the barrel of a gun. so no, i have never seen a scene like this. usually the persons are being protected are doing the work, so it's shocking. it's utterly shocking. >> tom, the important questions about russia's role here.

the foreign minister, russian foreign minister said that russia wants an independent investigation and they are willing to make a contribution. what if any contribution will russia offer to this independent investigation? >> good morning, victor a and christi. that's a good question what they are going to offer or which investigative agencies would be allowed to eventually come in there by these rebels holding the territory. i think that when you have every major western government starting with the united states and now australia and the netherlands and others, basically saying you rebels did this with at least some support from the russian federation and oh, by the way, allow our investigators to go to the crime scene so we can obtain the evidence of your guilt, i think it's going to be difficult for most of these countries including the u.s., including the european agencies, including australia, that have the

expertise, to be able to be seen by these rebels and russia as independent transparent investigators. it's going to be hard to find the expertise worldwide that's not involved with this have victims from their own country. >> tom, would you assume that perhaps president putin may give a scapegoat to this investigation? that maybe he's got somebody in the rebel forces that he's willing to sacrifice or put out there to try to get the attention in the spotlight off of himself? >> that's a great question. you would have thought he might have done that earlier to get the pressure off to do that. the only problem with that from his standpoint probably is he doesn't want to show that he controls the people on the ground in eastern ukraine. so he's trying to in one sense keep a distance and say look, i had nothing to do with this. the russians had nothing to do with this. these guys are on their own.

so if he exercises too much control here he disproves his own statements. >> mary, there is this statement that was released by the spokesperson for the state department and she cites reports of parts of the plane and other debris being hauled away. what's your concern going into day three, four of this, that the international community is not moving fast enough, if they want this independent investigation, the evidence possibly is disappearing. >> that's right. and both ukraine and russia have long history of cooking the books in investigation. for example, when ukraine shot down a siberian commercial plane full of civilians, they initially admitted it and paid reparations back in 2001, then when it went to court they denied it. they said no, nothing to do with it. by the way, they wouldn't even pay tor the plane. we look at the former soviet

union, russia in the investigation of kl-007. they thwarted them looking for the plane. in that case it was in the water and put out fake pingers to throw off the searchers, tried to ram search boats, so both have a history of not delivering clean investigation. so, i think that's why the world needs to be suspect and put pressure on them. >> we've been hearing, mary, that they are waiting for experts to come in. we see that some of them are there now. and at the scene we saw those rebels again with their guns. how much security do you believe those experts will have? because if you've got them coming in with men behind them with guns, and you've got men waiting with guns, that seems like you're starting -- you could set certainly incendiary situation up but you can't send those guys in without security, right?

>> at this point absolutely not. you cannot send them without security. and you know, in a situation like this ha they have to do is go in quickly and have to go in quietly. if i was on the team working this crash i would keep everything, all the findings close to the vest and ha they have to do is document as fast as they can. i suspect what's going to happen they are going to be given limited access, maybe a few hours a day, maybe a few days or a week or two. so they have to work quickly and have to look for key pieces. pieces like the tail part that probably have traces of the explosive device on that tail. the bodies have been removed. they would have traces of it too including the metal probably the metal piercings from the missile. but they are going to have to be strategic. i doubt they will have a long time to scrub the site. >> under these circumstances considering all that's happening is this the best way to conduct this, just hope that you get an hour and a half this day, hope you get three hours tomorrow.

all of these statements coming out from around the world, why are people i guess following the rules of these few hundred militia members? is this the way it's supposed to happen? >> no. it's not how it's supposed to happen but the few hundred militia members have guns and everybody else involved doesn't. and also it's being generous to call the people experts that are at the scene. the european team are observers, they are not qualified crime scene investigators, so they are not in a position to gather evidence. and even if a team goes in that gets the evidence, yes, this plane was shot down by such and such missile, we found the trace evidence of the explosives, they are never going to find out in my opinion who pushed the button. i think there will be enough obstruction from the rebels and the russian federation that that degree of chain of evidence i don't think is going to be established. >> unbelievable circumstances in this situation here. thank you both for joining us. >> thank you. >> you're welcome.

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are put on refrigerated train cars at a station there in eastern ukraine. international observers say they have been told that these are the bodies from the flight but they cannot independently confirm this. and they say the train cars will remain in place until international specialists arrive. >> it's not clear when that's going to happen. our reporters say armed pro-russian rebels are giving observers a little more access to the site. the observer team is going over the site right now with armed guards who watch over them. >> erin mclaughlin is live at amsterdam's airport where this mh-17 flight took off. and more than half of those who died were from the netherlands. >> i know you spoke to a grieving mother who lost her son in the tragedy. tell us about that conversation. >> reporter: that's right. i spoke to solena fredricks.

they were here to lay flowers and sign a condolence book at the make shift memorial over my shoulder. that way she told me how she lost her son just 20 years old, his name bryce, and his girlfriend daisy who was just 23. they were on board mh-17 on their way to bali on holiday. she told me just how horrified she has been to see the news reports and hear some of the accounts from the crash site in eastern ukraine. she says that it's a mother's human right to have the body of her son back, and to be able to bury him. take a listen. >> mr. putin, must take care of my son. >> who knows where the bodies are. >> i can do nothing but wait for their bodies. >> do you have any idea of where

your son's body -- >> no idea. >> maybe they took it. >> i don't know. >> maybe it's in one piece, maybe thousand pieces. >> are government officials telling you anything? >> no. they don't know. the only thing we know is from the media. how do they know? we still don't know. the officials don't know. >> they can't give us any answer. >> it must be horrifying. >> it's horrible. >> no doubt about that. >> it's one bad movie. >> reporter: it's impossible to imagine their pain. she was the one who purchased their plane tickets, daisy's mother passed away about 2 1/2 months ago. the trip was meant to have been an escape for them, escape that turned into an even greater family tragedy. christi. >> erin mclaughlin at the

airport in amsterdam. >> there are so many other families in the same situation. herone lost two nephews. >> 19-year-old and a 10-year-old were on their way to vacation with a grandmother. he is an aviation attorney and says he has fought for a lot of victims of -- crash victims' families and it's surreal now that his own nephews have been killed. he joins us by phone. first our deepest sympathies to you and your family during this time and we appreciate you taking a few moments to speak with us. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> how are you doing this morning? >> it's hard to say. i'm still in shock. it's very surreal. it's so different to be here as a family member versus being here as an attorney trying to help your family. so it's just very numbing. >> how is your sister?

>> right now she's being interviewed even as we speak by two dutch police officers from the forensic team, so she's -- you know, she's fine as fine as can be in a situation like hers but she comes and goes. just so poignant to see her in this state. >> so, when you look at this scene and we've talked a lot about the hope and the effort to bring the bodies back to those families. what are you feeling now as there is all of this confusion about where these victims are and if they will be returned to their families? >> i feel so much sorrow for all of the other victims and my deepest condolences to everybody including of course my own family. it's so heart breaking to see how apparently there's not been a very well concerted effort to safeguard the crash site, to prevent contamination, to allow

international investigators access to the site. the standard protocols that ought to be -- ought to govern in a very awful situation like this ought to be respected but apparently they are not. so it's heartbreaking to see what's going on. >> maroun, you said your sister was being interviewed. has your family been getting information either from malaysia airlines, the netherlands government, anybody about how things are proceeding? >> no. the two police officers just informed us that their team has landed, i think at 5:00 a.m. this morning, in kiev and they were taking a bus to donetsk, which is a five or six-hour drive. they didn't have updates as far as their investigators having access to the remains. but that's all they could tell me. malaysian airlines, we briefly

met with a caretaker that's how he identified himself, and i asked the same question, he said we have no answers or updates. our team is on the ground and they are trying to make their way to the crash site. but we don't have any unfettered access to the site. that's what he shared with me. >> haroun, you are an aviation attorney. do you think that the relatives of those who lost on mh-17 should take some legal action? >> in due course, yes, they should be cautious in who they seek assistance from. but of course, yes. i mean, in every situation i hate to put my professional hat on at this time but you know, it's second nature but yes, of course. it's been proven in any crash, aviation crash, that those that have competent legal representation will always supertheir interests better secured than people that are

dealing prose on their own with the aviation authorities, with the government, with the carrier, yes. >> haroun, tell us about your nephews, how you want them remembered and what you would say to some of the other families that are grieving. >> again, my most profound and deepest condolences to all of the 298 lives that are lost. they are all beautiful lives. of course i did not know the other victims but i'm sure that they are all very, very decent and good human beings, and they never deserved this. this is such a shocking incident. people were on holiday, they were there to see loved ones, there to work, to attend seminars, go on vacation. this is the last thing that they expected. and this is i mean, unfathomable. i don't even have words to explain what these people must be going through, what i'm going through with my sister and my

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will stop firing into gaza for the next two hours, this is at the request of the red cross which wants to get to those who have been injured in an overnight assault. it's for humanitarian purposes. >> look at this scene a few hours ago. the skies lit up. you see this is the result of israeli military says it's stepping up its ground offensive in gaza trying to eliminate hamas's fire power and destroy the so-called terror tums from gaza into israel. >> martin savidge is there. what can you tell us about this cease-fire? >> reporter: good morning. we are about well, 20 minutes into what's described here as a humanitarian pause. cease-fire might give the impression that this is some sort of long lasting. it's only to allow for as you say it was brokered by the red cross, for them to retrieve those injured, perhaps retrieve

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the breaking news in that field there in eastern ukraine, malaysian flight 17, the crash site. reuters released video that appears to show a ukrainian man there at the scene with recovered black box. we're still learning who found it, who currently has it, where it's headed. we'll bring you that information as soon as we get it. but this could be a big

development and it's now appears in the hands of ukrainian officials, finding exactly what was said, what was done, in the last moments of flight mh-17. >> now i want to point out, i'm hearing somebody correct me if i'm wrong, i believe this video that we are just getting in from reuters, it was video from two days ago. so, that's why we know according to what we're seeing, something that looks to be a black box has been found by a ukrainian official there. but where it is now and what they have learned from that has not been released. we do know now that large numbers of bodies are being collected right now and loaded on refrigerated train cars near the crash site in eastern ukraine according to a cnn team traveling with a convoy of international observers. observers say they cannot independently confirm if the bodies are from the downed flight but the train is expected to stay in place there until international specialists

arrive, not clear where the bodies will be taken from that point. >> the recovery teams on the ground are still facing considerable pushback from the armed militants there making it difficult to reach the debris. co-host of cnn's new day chris cuomo is on the ground with more for us. good morning, chris. >> reporter: this is an active civil war going on here. so, within the tragedy of this plane being taken down you have complete hostility all around it including the fact that the scene is controlled by men in the circle of suspicion for who caused it in the first place. so it's very difficult to travel. there are tons of checkpoints. there are very heated up, they wanta show of force. they fire in the air. so it's not an easy place to get around. yet, all of that disappears when you get here and you see how raw this scene is and how little dignity to this point has been given to the victims of this crash. there are so many families

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welcome, so glad to have you with us. breaking news to tell you about. we're getting our first pictures of what appears to be the black box from flight 17. >> we have new video in of what appears to be a searcher picking up the black box, that orange thing, it's actually orange. this video was taken two days ago. there has been a lot of concern and confusion really over what happened to the black box, one of them we see here. there are actually two. flight data recorder and the digital voice recorder. it's hoped that it can reveal of course more about what happened when malaysian airlines flight mh-17 was shot out of the sky. we know that you see it here, that that, again, happened two days ago. who has it? >> has it been examined? >> and why haven't we heard about the collection, the recovery of the black box over the last 48 hours?

of course questions that i'm sure the international community leaders from all over the world will be asking. do we have mary on the phone? >> we do. >> we've got her in front of the camera. your first reaction as we see this video, apparently ukrainian officials have this black box. your thoughts? >> well, that's good that it's been found. it's apparently was -- they are in the tail section so that suggests to me that was the tail was blown off and the black boxes were recovered from that section. the biggest question is when were they recovered and where have they been and why are we just hearing this news now? it sounds like the authorities that have them in ukraine know you can't just open them up. you have to be careful on the download and you preserve the evidence so that's good news and good news that they are found because they will reveal pretty much everything about the last moments or minutes of the flight including very much like

kao-007. the missile blew off, damaged the tail and made the tail uncontrollable, but it still continued to fly, had both engines and there was recording on the cockpit voice recorder in addition to the data recorder after the strike. it will contain myriad amounts of information. about 1,000 different parameters that it records. >> mary, you mentioned that it takes time and it's a delicate process to get that information off of the black box. how long -- usually, on a general basis would it take? >> it doesn't. in the right hands, and there are only a few agencies i trust with it, obviously the ntsb, the aeib of australia, the bea france, the british authorities, they can all do it. and they have the expertise to do it. i probably would not trust others that the point and certainly neither ukraine or russia to do the proper download. but once you do, once you have

the equipment and the proper equipment it doesn't take long. it's a computer download and you bring down the data. what take as long time is then you print it out and you look at the data and you have to analyze it. there is so much data now because of an advanced plane with an advanced black box that you will have parameters, everything from you know, engine controls, flight controls, setting, any announcements made on the cockpit voice recorder, anything that was recorded even if the pilots had awareness that they had, had an ordnance flight. if they continued to fly. that's all on there. >> so we're learning about this two days after it happened because reuters is releasing this video over the last two or three days, we've heard from not only the ukrainian officials but the malaysian officials, actually the transport minister said that he had no information, no confirmation of where the black boxes are or who had them

if they had been recovered. what is your experience tell you about that statement? does that seem like something that an airline would purposely not be honest about? or, is it quite possible that he had no idea that the ukrainians had recovered the box? >> well, i think he said that to richard quest the night before last and i was there when he did. it seemed a little bit intentionally evasive so it was ukrainian minister, not the airline that actually had that or had possession of it. at that point i doubt that the airline knew it. but another thing i have to point out there actually is an owner of these things at the crash site. technically own bid the airline and at this point probably the airline's insurance company. so you know, in addition to the fact they will have to get the data off and somebody owns all of this stuff. you can't just cart it off. so it's good that ukrainians have it. it's bad that it's not in the right hands yet to be analyzed and hopefully they will make

sure that it gets in the right hands to have it analyzed and not in any way attempt to download or distort data. >> can a black box, quickly, can it be compromised easily? >> oh, yes. if you don't open it and do the download correctly you could destroy or harm the data. and then of course once the data is downloaded, usually what you work off of is a printout. you print out these parameters and it looks like -- almost like an ekg. it's like an ekg for the plane and you have long running tallies and lists of data, numbers really. from the different things that it records on the plane. if you wanted to you know, not release anything like for example the cockpit voice recorder, if it will clearly show, i think it will show that they made no attempt to contact the plane or identify it and find out if it was a civilian plane beforehand, so there will be an absence of that kind of information. and on the data recording, you

know, if they wanted to change parameters once you do the printout somebody could do that. they have to proceed serve at least in the united states, they do have to preserve that original equipment because as i mentioned, technically it belongs to the airline. >> all right. >> thank you so much. >> we happen to have one on the desk if we can show it. after flight 370, after the months that search continued, we have one here. and this is as mary described, all of the technical information. in the video you really can't get a close-up look on what that man is carrying but this is one of those flight data recorders, there is this one, also the digital voice recorder. one would call it the black boxes. back in the 60s when that term was coined it was because there wasn't a lot known about technology and they were called black boxes because they thought there was some black magic inside, something that could record all of this information. you see what's in that video, much like what we have here live

on set, and could hold the answers to the last technical moments of flight mh-17. >> let's go to cnn's phil black at the crash scene in eastern ukraine right now. >> we're hearing about bodies being loaded onto these refrigerated train cars nearby. walk us through what's going on where you are right now, and how this compares to what we saw an hour ago when we saw those militants standing right behind you at that orange and white tape. >> reporter: on that point, they are still there, they are around the other side of the vehicle you see behind me. they are still policing the line, not letting anyone beyond that point. when you came to me an hour or so ago it was the point they had drink at any media beyond that line. the situation relaxed a little bit now but i can tell you the men with the ak-47s are still there. elsewhere on the ground we've seen significant change in the last 24 hours. when dawn broke yesterday

morning, we were surrounded by bodies still in these fields. since then all of those visible bodies have been packed up and taken away. the ukrainian government says they recovered 196 bodies, they have been taken as you say to a refrigeration car attached to a train at a town a short distance from here. the next destination for the bodies is unclear. we heard that they are going to be kept locally, when experts arrive and begin this investigation properly, the search for the remaining victims is still going on. at the point where the biggest pieces of wreckage had what were clearly the largest impact, there was clearly a great fire, we can see emergency workers there now still going through there, trying to find what remains they can. otherwise we can still see lots of volunteers, fanning out through these fields involved in this search, looking for those remaining victims.

it is an improvement in terms of the restriction to the site, which will concern i think some of -- will answer some of the international concerns and in terms of dealing with bodies, getting them out of the son and in refrigeration where they can be stored more appropriately and examined, that is something that will no doubt be of some consolation to the families of these victims. >> phil, i know that you may have been listening to us talk earlier. reuters releasing this video that appears to show a recovered black box found by rescue workers. this video that was shot two days ago, wondering if you hear any rumblings about where it might be or whose hands it's in at this point? >> reporter: on the ground here and when we're listening to the leadership of the pro-russian rebel groups that control this territory, they are based a short distance from here action they insisted they don't know where it is. their official line all along has been that they have not interfered with the site, the wreckage, the victims. that's the official line from

the pro-russian rebels. we know that here on the ground it's been different. so in terms of the location of those cockpit voice and data recorders no, we don't know. no one here is talking about them. no one that we spoke to is claimed to have spoken about them or know where they are. the same claim from the ukrainian government a little m ambiguo ambiguously. they believe they are on ukrainian territory. >> thank you so much, phil black. we appreciate it. i want to go to diana right now in moscow. >> how is russia responding to this growing pressure and we're seeing statement after statement released about russia and its need to do something about the rebels at the crash site. >> reporter: right. there have been -- there is more and more pressure from world leaders on mr. putin, david cameron tuk prime minister tweeted that he and chancellor merkel of germany had a

conversation and that they are very concerned about the limited access to the site and that mr. putin must do more he says in that tweet. russia's position has been pretty much to stand back and say we want an independent investigation which we will contribute to but this is fundamentally kiev's responsibility. if you look at the newspapers, for example, here, they are all sorts of lines about how this was probably an act -- it was probably the kiev military, ukrainian military responsible for shooting this plane down. that perhaps it was even that they were trying to bring down mr. putin's plane, that is one line that you'll hear in the media. so, you know, the argument from the u.s. is that mr. putin must bring his influence to bear on the pro-russian separatists so that he -- opens up the site to international investigators, and that he uses his influence to try and reach some kind of

peaceful solution to this conflict that is now in its eighth month and getting worse and worse. mr. putin hasn't really brought his influence on the rebels in a meaningful way to date. and it's questionable about whether he will now. now, though, you have many, many more countries internationally turning to him and saying do something. so, the pressure is on. that said, he knows that the russian economy is so bound up with the global economy, and sanctions to date have not been all that tough, that you know, he can risk the global international pressure and that they won't strike really, really hard against russia and he still has very strong populous support. >> diana magnay in moscow, thank you for the latest this morning. >> thank you. and cnn will have more about the

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request of the red cross so the group can reach the dead and wounded in a neighborhood to the east of gaza city. >> and this is what people there have been dealing with, the red cross especially with the aftermath of more than 15 hours of shelling and bombing. at least 40 people were killed overnight. and that number could grow as the red cross heads in. >> carl is inside gaza city now. wondering, carl, if you can feel the relief over the cease-fire announcement. is the cease-fire only for that particular neighborhood or is this gaza as a whole? >> reporter: yeah, we can't speak of any relief at all here, christi. civilians here are absolutely shell shocked. this cease-fire is now by my calculation about 45 minutes in. it has another hour and 15 to run. it is just for one neighborhood, a large neighborhood of eastern

gaza. you look over my shoulder that is on fire. you can see plumes of smoke coming up from that neighborhood. why have they called a brief cease-fire there, because according to medical staff and to the ambulance men, there are dead, there are wounded still trapped under the rubble there. they need time, they need a lull in this shelling, they need a lull in the bombs to get to the dead and also if they can get to any casualties who may still be alive under the rubble, to pull them out before they bleed out. but no relief at all. we were down there this morning just after first light as thousands of civilians with few possessions in their hands at all, basically the clothes on their backs, fleeing for their lives. they were literally trying to cling to life, looking for any way out. some were crammed into cars, others on foot, some of them not even wearing sandals. others riding on carts to get

out. a man we asked he said to us that through the night he heard the houses all around his own being pounded by apache helicopters, being pounded by tanks, being pounded by strikes from the f-16s. but this morning at first light was the first time he dared to venture out. i talked to another man fleeing with 40 members of his extended family but said to me he said my mother said that she would stay behind. she said save yourselves. i will stay in the house. i will die here. another man down at the morgue, you didn't have to understand arabic to understand his pain. he said that he had seen a missile sloom inam into his motd brother. it's a human tide fleeing from eastern gaza right now, christi and victor. >> karl, you watched more than a few of these rescue efforts and you mentioned there are wounded beneath this rubble two hours may not be enough time to rescue

the people who need rescue. is there any indication that the neighborhood that has this humanitarian pause as it's called, will be hit as it was overnight again as soon as this two hours ends? >> reporter: i believe there is every indication that it is, the israeli military certainly took to targeting this neighborhood, launchers in that area. rocket - they say that they also are looking for tunnels in that area. they certainly have their sights fixed on this neighborhood. at first there was a fear maybe that the israeli military wouldn't agree to this pause. once one side has a military advantage they really need to push it especially in the type war that is being fought here in gaza, what the israeli military undoubtedly is afraid of is that hamas could use this two-hour period to withdraw its own fighters, perhaps reposition rockets. but that really beyond that two

hours little likelihood right now of any further cease-fire, and every likelihood that the shejaia neighborhood will be targeted. it's only that neighborhood. even as we speak there is artillery fire going on a little further south, not sure if that's coming from tanks or airplanes, but other parts of the gaza strip continue to be pounded while one neighborhood at least, the artillery has fallen silent for another hour now. >> a few minutes more. karl, thank you so much. we'll have more on the crisis in gaza later in the show. next hour wolf blitzer will interview israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu live here on cnn. of course you want to see that. we'll go to martin savidge later as well. >> victims' families are outraged in amsterdam this morning over what they call the botched handling of the crash

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shift memorial over my shoulder that way. she told me how she lost her son bryce just 20 years old, and his girlfriend daisy who was 23. they were on board mh-17 and she also talked about how she's absolutely horrified at some of the news reports that have been emerging from the crash site in eastern ukraine. she said that it's a mother's right to be able to bury her son. and she had a strong message for russian president vladamir putin. >> mr. putin, must take care of my son and my daughter. >> who knows where they are. who knows where the bodies are. >> i can do nothing but wait for their bodies. you have any idea of where your son's body -- >> no idea. >> maybe they took it. >> i don't know. >> maybe it's in one piece. >> no one knows. >> are government officials telling you anything?

>> no. they don't know. the only thing we know is from the media. how do they know? the officials don't know. the officials don't know. >> they can't give us any answer. >> must be horrifying for you. >> it's horrible. >> no doubt about that. >> it's one bad movie. >> reporter: it's impossible to imagine just how they must be feeling. she also told me how it was she who purchased the tickets, they were on the way to bali. daisy's mother passed away about 2 1/2 months ago and she saw this as a vacation for them, a sort of escape that has only added to this horrendous family tragedy. >> erin, thank you so much. if flight mh-17 was shot down as many believe, what is the responsibility of malaysia airlines?

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