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hamas says it has captured an israeli soldier. >> hamas supporters hailed the announcement with cheers and salutory gunfire. but israel's ambassador to the u.n. says the claim is not true. a captive soldier could be a valuable bargaining chip for the outgunned and outnumbered militants. israeli soldier gill ad shalit was held for five years before he was exchanged for more than 1,000 palestinian prisoners. >> sunday was the deadliest day yet since israel began its crackdown on rocket fire from gaza. palestinians report 87 people were killed on sunday. that makes at least 501 dead in the past two weeks. and the u.n. believes 70% of them were civilians. israel reports 13 soldiers were killed on sunday. 18 in total. and two civilians have been killed by hamas rockets targeting israel. >> certainly these numbers are dizzying and disappointing. let's get the latest now.
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martin savidge joins us live from jerusalem. and as we just said, martin, this past day has been a day of loss on both sides. here we are again and a new day. >> reporter: here we are indeed. hello, natalie. hello, john. we just had a briefing from the israel defense forces, and the question that was asked repeatedly was whether or not an israeli soldier had indeed been captured as hamas is saying has happened. the israeli military says at this particular point they cannot confirm nor can they deny that a soldier has been captured. it seems pretty clear what's at work here is kind of that fog of war. and it would demonstrate just how violent yesterday, meaning sunday was in that they're still trying to account for all of their soldiers. it was a terrible day. a massive black cloud marks gaza's deadliest day. health officials report dozens and dozens of palestinians killed and hundreds wounded. while israel's military reported its highest number of casualties
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in a single day in years. with more than a dozen soldiers killed battling greater than expected opposition. most of the civilian victims were in the shijaia neighborhood in northeast gaza which has been under heavy fire from israeli artillery, tanks, and aircraft. hamas-run television broadcast images said to be from the neighborhood showing bodies lying in the streets. ambulance services were unable to respond, claiming the danger was too great. panicked residents could be seen fleeing as explosions echoed off of buildings. the israeli military says the neighborhood has been a center of terror activity for launching rockets against israel as well as home to a hub of tunnels through which hamas moves supplies and militants underground. meanwhile, hospital officials in gaza report they are overwhelmed with wounded and almost out of supplies. the international red cross was able to negotiate a temporary cease-fire to allow for the dead and wounded to be collected and for civilians to evacuate.
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but not long after that cease-fire began it was broken by more fighting, with both sides blaming the other. in an interview with cnn's wolf blitzer israel's prime minister defended his country's military operation. >> i mean, we didn't seek this escalation. hamas forced it on us. they started rocketing our cities, steadily increasing the fire. i called for deescalation. they refused. >> reporter: later in the day israeli leaflets were reported falling on other gaza neighborhoods, farther to the north, warning residents to leave. a clear indication gaza may have more violent days to come. the israeli military is saying the shaja'ia military continues to be a main point of friction, that was their words they used, and that there was very close combat overnight with hamas militants. they are also reporting that there was one attempt at which a suicide bomber apparently tried to attack israeli forces. so it is looking like it's going to be another grim day.
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>> and of course one of the problems for many of the people in the gaza strip, martin, is where do they go? one woman was quoted as saying when she was asked where are you going, she said "god only knows." so what is the latest on that situation? what if these people have to get out from the danger zones? >> reporter: you're right. it is an extremely densely populated area that has always been one of the problems when conducting any kind of military operation in gaza. you have close to 2 million people that are caught up there. so there's not a lot of room to maneuver. that's what civilians have been saying. we could leave one neighborhood, but how do we know that we aren't walking into perhaps another military operation? it seems that the u.n. schools that are there are looked upon as the most protected or potentially protected areas, and there are said to be over 10,000 people that have sought shelter in those particular schools. and the numbers continue to grow. and the humanitarian crisis grows worse. >> some reports one of those schools is already full to capacity. so yes, it certainly does grow
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worse. martin savidge for us. thank you. live from jerusalem. for more on the story here's john. >> okay, natalie, thank you. and we have more now on that red cross two-hour-long cease-fire on sunday. it was intended to let palestinians bury their dead and tend to their wounded. but the fighting did not stop for long. here's ben wedeman reporting in from gaza. [ sirens ] >> reporter: for a brief moment, ever so brief, the guns went silent in shaja'ia. just enough time to take away the dead and wounded and for everyone else to leave. >> people are coming out -- >> reporter: or beg for help. >> [ speaking foreign language ]. >> reporter: "my son is in the house," amira heles tells me. he's wounded. i called for an ambulance. i called for help.
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but no one came. can you help me?" we would have gone to look but -- "go back, go back," shouts this man, who said a tank was about to open fire. everybody ran. a few blocks away house after house battered by shelling. an ambulance blown to shreds. another, its windows shattered. with the clock ticking, it's time to get out as quickly as possible. >> disastrous. very bad. >> reporter: "we went to get our things but the israeli soldiers fired at us," this woman tells me. i asked this man why he didn't leave his home after being warned by the israelis. "because we didn't expect it to be like this," he responds. clearly, this is a shaky, shaky cease-fire at best.
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everybody's jumping. even more jumpy when word spread that the cease-fire had collapsed. few people had much time to talk for long, though. holding his year-old daughter, hala, basam tells me he's going to take his family to a nearby united nations school. but a man tells him it's already full. so many searching for safe ground where there isn't any. ben wedeman, cnn, gaza. >> one of the reasons also why a lot of people didn't get out of that neighborhood despite the warnings from israel is that hamas said you should stay. this is part of a psychological war being carried on by the israelis and so a lot of people were misled into staying. it's hard to know how many of course. but that's just another factor in i guess why this death toll is so high. >> absolutely. they've got hamas doing work on one side, israel on the other. and these are just civilians trying to live their life.
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>> as they always have been caught. okay. we will turn to the crash of malaysia airlines flight 17. a pro-russian rebel leader says his men may have found the plane's flight data recorder. we'll have that in a moment. also here amid the wreckage accusations of looting. we'll bring you the response to claims rebels have been tampering with evidence at the crash site. moderate to severe crohn's disease is tough, but i've managed. ♪ i got to be pretty good at managing my symptoms, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. ♪ when i finally told my doctor, he said my crohn's was not under control. ♪ he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. [ female announcer ] humira can lower your ability
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international investigators cannot verify that they've been recovered, and local rebels have so far refused to turn over their findings. with the leader of the self-declared donetsk people's republic says they will be turned over to international investigators, not ukraine. the ukrainian cabinet says search teams have recovered 251 bodies so far. nearly 200 of them are now in refrigerated train cars. the separatists are keeping the remains there until they say experts can examine them. the rebels are refusing to turn the bodies over to the ukrainian government. a rebel leader says he fears the bodies could be used as evidence against his own fighters for shooting down the plane, an accusation he denies. >> the rebel forces are also denying reports that bodies have been mistreated. when asked about people reportedly using stolen bank cards taken from victims, a separatist commander said local residents may have looted
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bodies. >> let's get the very latest from eastern ukraine. senior international correspondent ivan watson is live in the city of donetsk. and ivan, russia's vladimir putin is now weighing in. and if anyone has influence with the guys, with the guns at the crash site, it is him. >> reporter: that's right. and a number of world leaders have publicly urged the russian president to put pressure on the separatists to allow an open and international investigation of the crash site and also to return the bodies of the victims as swiftly as possible. now, he responded, calling this a tragic event. he also said that he wants investigators to come in under the guidance of the international civil aviation organization. take a listen to an excerpt of his statement. >> translator: however, no one should have the right to use this tragedy to achieve selfish political objectives. such events should not divide but unite people. it is necessary that all the
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people who are responsible for the situation in the region would direct their responsibility to their own people and to the peoples of those countries whose representatives have been victims of this disaster. >> reporter: now, the separatists here on the ground, and we're in the self-declared donetsk people's republic. it refuses to recognize the authority of the ukrainian government. and the rebel leaders here insist that they will allow international investigators onto the scene and they have over the course of the past three days improved relations with the international osce monitors who have paid three subsequent days of visits to the crash site. john? >> and ivan, it seems that those pro-russia militants have at least one of the flight data recorders. they say they'll hand it over to investigators. can they be taken at their word? >> reporter: well, the credibility of the separatists has come under question. notably from the leaders of some of the stricken countries whose
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citizens were aboard that tragic flight. the dutch prime minister has come out very harshly against the separatists, accusing them of not treating the bodies with enough respect. and the malaysian authorities have questioned the investigation site, the crash site, saying that it has been compromised there. now, this has come on top of direct accusations from the ukrainian government which has been battling the rebels in this deadly conflict for three months. the ukrainian government, which has accused the rebels of a cover-up and have released recordings of what they claim are conversations over the phone between rebel commanders and rebels on the ground in which they urge the rebels to try to secure the black boxes, the flight recorders as fast as possible and keep them out of other people's hands under the purported orders of moscow. take a listen to this.
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of course, we cannot verify the authenticity of this recording. >> reporter: ukrainian government officials say they do not know where the flight recorders are right now. the same is true for the international monitors here. the self-declared prime minister of the donetsk people's republic, john, he says he's in possession of, quote unquote, technical objects. but nobody really knows where these flight recorders are. you're looking at some video. you have been looking at some video of what might be one of
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the flight recorders. but nobody knows exactly where that is, and that has fed into the argument that the separatists have not been entirely transparent, that they are not sharing all the information, and fed into the accusations that there is some kind of a cover-up under way. of course the ukrainian government, backed by the u.s. government, accusing the rebels of firing the missile believed to have brought down the flight -- malaysian air flight 17 on thursday, claims that the rebels deny. john. >> bit of a problem when the guys accused of shooting down the plane are the ones guarding the crash site. ivan, thank you for that. ivan watson, live for us there in donetsk. natalie? well marx lashz is sending two air force jet transports to ukraine to bring back the bodies of malaysian victims. we'll see if they are successful with that. the planes will also carry extra staff who will help with recovery efforts at the crash site. 43 malaysians perished aboard the flight. cnn's andrew stevens visited a
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mosque where those victims are being remembered. >> reporter: in a neighborhood mosque they pray for the soul of the captain of flight mh17. wan amman was a regular here. and friday prayers allow this close-knit community a moment to remember. this group, this country is in shock. grappling with the appalling fact of a second aviation catastrophe in less than five months. "this is a test from god for us and for all malaysians," the imam of the mosque tells me. "i advise everyone to keep calm and face the test with patience." grief-stricken families of victims of flight mh17 gather at kuala lumpur's international airport in the day after the jet was shot down. candlelight vigils have been held in the city, and ordinary malaysians cope with the shock of what's happening, partly by turning to their faith. >> i think this event has brought people in some sense closer to religion because there
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are so many questions that they cannot answer and they seek solace in faith. >> reporter: abraham suffian monitors malaysia's pulse through his own polling company. >> what we're seeing is a very traditional conservative society that's very steeped in religion looking for answers for questions that are beyond their control. and i think we see people turning to faith, turning to sorrow, and i think turning to discussions among their friends. >> reporter: but not anger? >> not anger. >> reporter: malaysians, if anything, seemed resigned to their loss. >> i won't say unfair. unlucky. >> unlucky, yes. >> i feel it's very unfair. why it happen to malaysian airlines. there are so many airlines in the world. >> reporter: but acceptance is not stopping a growing outpouring of sympathy for the families of the victims. the enduring mystery of flight 370 is still raw in the minds of so many malaysians.
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but now it's being overlaid by this tragedy. five months ago these condolence walls were common right across the city. and in a bitter sense of deja vu they're starting to reappear. andrew stevens, cnn, kuala lumpur, malaysia. >> it's just really unbelievable that malaysia just so happened to be the victim of this. >> it was stunning when that news first came through. >> absolutely. >> and still unbelievable. >> it really is. they don't deserve it. no one does. but certainly not them. we are going to turn back to our other top story next here on "cnn newsroom." >> after the bloodiest day in the two-week-long conflict between israel and hamas, the u.n. holds a security council meeting amid growing international pressure for a cease-fire. more on that when we come back.
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security, is not stopping this killing against our people, where should we go in order to seek justice, in order to seek stopping this aggression against our people? >> israel's envoy to the u.n. says his country has no choice but to protect its citizens, but it is being widely criticized for the civilian casualties. >> some in the international community say that israel has a right to defend itself. but when we exercise that right to defend ourselves, we're being condemned. so how do you do this stuff? how do you have the right to defend yourself on the other hand and on the other hand when we exercise the right to defend our citizens from rocketing and fire, thousands of missiles, we're being condemned? >> so how many more people have to die on both sides of this conflict before there is a
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cease-fire? for more on that rami kouri joins us from beirut. he's director of the institute for public policy at the american university. mr. kouri, thank you for being with us. there has been so little condemnation of israel during this military operation. i guess one of the reasons is because hamas rejected that egyptian-backed cease-fire. so is israel right now when it says it does have international backing to continue with this assault on gaza? >> that's very debatable. i think there's been huge outcries of anti-israeli, criticism, demonstrations, if you look in europe and other places there's been tens of thousands of people demonstrating. the governments basically have been saying that any israeli response should be proportional and should respect the rules of international humanitarian law. but israel has strong backing in the united states, which can block security council resolutions, at least in the u.s. government, and that seems to set the tone for the israelis, who believe they can do anything they want. but the criticisms against
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israel's overreaction have been really quite prevalent all over the world though they're not often reported on the international news media very efficiently. >> certainly i will agree with you there have indeed been protests against the israeli operation. there's also been protests in support of the israeli operation as well. i guess compared to past israeli operations we've seen in gaza in 2012 and 2009 there was a lot of outcry from governments around the world and those governments which the palestinians and hamas have relied on in the past, the silence has almost been deafening. why is there not the same sort of diplomatic pressure now being applied by those previous governments which could be counted on before? >> you mean in the arab world or -- >> yeah. >> -- around the world? >> especially in the arab world. >> well, i think in the arab world you have a situation which has become clear with the uprisings of the last three years where most arab governments do not fully represent the sentiments of their people. and we know this very clearly, that the palestine issue is a very, very strong issue that
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resonates with public opinion from all kinds of surveys and polls that have been done year after year by western and arab pollsters. governments are much more careful. they don't like islamist movements. they don't like revolutionary movements. they don't like movements that fight back against the status quo. and hamas represents all three of those things. arab governments are mostly trying to stay in power, one thing. and they feel that they can do this best by being friends with the united states and kowtowing to what the israelis want. it's a very sad situation. >> okay. >> and it creates tension within the arab world. >> i've got time for one more here. there seems to be a fundamental change right now. this time the israelis going much further into gaza than they have before. the israeli prime minister actually recently said, it kind of went unreported, that he would not give up security in the west bank as well. it seems the whole paradigm has changed here, at least on the israeli side. >> well, i don't think very much has changed at all on the israeli side. they've been occupying the west bank and gaza in one way or
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another or laying siege to gaza since 1967. the israelis ran gaza for like 25 or 30 years. they occupied it. they were there. and so this is not going further than they've gone before. they've gone much further before. in their formal occupation and colonization and settlement of gaza. that's what gave fwoirth hamas. the israeli policy is totally ineffective, and they have to do this every two or three years, and the proficiency, the technical proficiency of the resistance groups in palestine and gaza especially is getting greater with every round of fighting. so this clearly shows there must be a political resolution. this is a political problem. it's a problem with israeli occupation and laying siege to gaza. and the palestinians are resisting. and therefore you have rockets being fired in both directions. you cannot only talk about israel's right to protect itself when israel is laying siege to gaza and has been for decades. so unless there's a political process that is fair to both sides there will never be peace for either side. >> i think many, many people
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agree with that point. there has to be a political process to this. but it seems that we're going in the other direction right now than we were maybe ten years ago. we will have to leave it there, sir. but thank you so much, rami khouri who is there in beirut with the institute at american university. thank you, sir. cnn's wolf blitzer spoke with the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu about the crisis in gaza. he asked him what will it take to end the conflict and if israel plans to reoccupy the palestinian territory. stay with "cnn newsroom." that interview is coming up in about 15 minutes from now. in the meantime we will turn back to malaysia airlines flight 17 next on "cnn newsroom." >> yes. ahead here, mourning families demanding answers. we'll have a live report from amsterdam.
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i'd like to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. you're watching "cnn newsroom." i'm john vause. >> and i'm natalie allen. the headlines this hour, there was celebration in gaza sunday as the military wing of hamas announced the capture of an israeli soldier. israel's ambassador to the u.n. has denied that claim. but the military said a short time ago it can neither confirm nor deny that report. >> and the hamas claim came on the deadliest day yet in this round of violence. palestinians report 87 people killed on sunday at least. 501 are dead over the past two weeks. israel reports 13 soldiers killed sunday, 18 in total, plus two civilians who were killed by hamas rocket fire on israel. the ukrainian cabinet says
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251 bodies have been recovered from the crash site of malaysia airlines flight 17. they're being held in refrigerated railroad cars there. separatists are keeping the remains apparently until they say international experts can examine them. >> and those separatists are also refusing to turn over information about flight data recorders that might have been pulled from the debris. these images here from the reuters news agency shows a worker with what appears to be one of the plane's so-called black boxes. international investigators have not verify that the recorders have in fact been recovered. the continuing uncertainty surrounding the investigation into the downing of the jetliner is adding to the frustration for those who lost loved ones on that flight. >> can't imagine. that is particularly true in the netherlands which was home to 193 of the passengers. later today the family members will meet with the dutch king
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and queen. sima, you were in kuala lumpur covering the missing malaysian airliner. now you're there with a whole new set of victims and families. it must be unbelievably agonizing for them. >> reporter: yes. two extraordinary circumstances for people flying, for malaysia airlines. for people all across the world. people from around the world were on board both of those planes. very different, natalie, in the early stages of malaysia airlines' mh370 going missing of course there was still some hope. here hopes have been crushed. and added to that, as you mentioned, still more frustration, people are unable to get to that crash site. the dutch prime minister speaking over the weekend saying that it's imperative that the international independent investigators, dutch investigators get to that site. now, he did also say over the
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weekend that now the passenger list has been released but just adds names, faces, making this trauma and this event all the more horrible, as he puts it. and throughout the weekend, actually, natalie, even though this is a country that doesn't have a very public way of outpouring of grief, we've seen a memorial site here, very spontaneous one, at the airport grow. we've seen people bring flowers, teddy bears. balloons. someone's attached a flag there over the weekend as well. and people queueing now to sign this book of condolence. we've seen them coming throughout the night. we've seen them queueing early morning here. of course this is an international airport. people flying in and out 24 hours a day. we've seen airline staff. we've seen passengers. and people just traveling here to pay their respects and say a prayer. later today we do understand there will be a gathering as well where the dutch prime minister, the king and queen will be meeting with victims'
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families, next of kin. that will be a private gathering, we're told. they're not describing it as a memorial service but a private gathering, a time to reflect, for them to meet, obviously offer their condolences as well and probably explain what's happening with the latest on the investigation as we do understand now this morning a dutch team has been able to fly to ukraine. they are hoping, but still hoping to gain access to that crash site. natalie? >> hopefully they will. saima mohsin live for us in amsterdam. as we were reporting earlier, john, also malaysian officials are arriving there in the ukraine. the next step will be will they be allowed access? >> a very big investigation team from malaysia on the ground there. obviously they have a huge stake in all of this. >> absolutely. well, the 15 crew members aboard flight 17 were all malaysian nationals. among them flight attendant sandus fing. >> kyung lah spoke to the parents of this man whose last-minute decision cost him his life.
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>> reporter: this is a crash that should never have happened, and sanjid singh's son sandu should not have been aboard. >> he was not supposed to be on. >> and he swapped his flight just to be back home. >> reporter: sandu took another flight attendant's spot, trying to get home early to see his parents. >> fate has played a very unfair hand against us. >> reporter: fate that once favored san duchlt. he and his wife are both malaysia airlines flight attendants. last month she was scheduled to work flight 370. sandu's parents say she swapped shifts at the last minute, so she did not board what would become the missing plane. a brush with death then that has arrived to claim another. >> are you angry? >> internally, we are angry, yes. we are angry that this thing
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happened to us. he was our only son. >> reporter: and leaves behind not just his wife but a 10-year-old son, hans, who told his grandfather -- >> he said don't worry, i am here. i will take over from your son. he said i am now the man of the house. >> you can tell what's coming, can you? >> the head of the flight attendants union in malaysia says the unprecedented, to disasters for one airline just months apart, have shaken flight crews to the core. >> it really hits you really deep. and seeing the faces of the people that you know, the friends that you flew with for the past many years ago and some who called me just before that flight. >> reporter: sandu's parents say after this crash their daughter-in-law may never be able to fly again she left a public message for her husband in chinese on facebook. "we know you are gone and you won't be coming back. i wish you a safe journey, and i
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know you will go to a much better place." but there's no such comfort for sandu's parents. >> i beg the rebels to please be human for one reason. at least release the bodies. they want to fight, they can go ahead fighting. >> reporter: but at least give these families some measure of peace. kyung lah, cnn, panang, malaysia. >> okay. the world's aids research community is also reeling from the loss of malaysia flight 17. six of the passengers on the downed airliner were bound for the 20th international aids conference in melbourne. delegates mourned their colleagues' loss at the conference's opening ceremony. >> for the next minute let our silence represent our sadness, our anger, and our solidarity.
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>> delegates paused for a minute of silence. and that was followed by a number of emotional speeches. >> dear delegates, colleagues, frien friends, it's great and inspiring to see so many of you here. the room is almost full. i do see a few empty chairs. one over there and there. over there. a few empty chairs. which were supposed to be occupied by six of our friends who lost their lives last thursday. >> and the dutch ambassador did note that five of those six were actually from the netherlands. the flight malaysia 17 took off on thursday. so obviously very sad for everybody there in melbourne as well. >> we lost some renowned experts
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in the study of aids. >> much has been lost. still to come on "cnn newsroom" there is a mass exodus from eastern gaza after heavy shelling has been pounding the area. >> now palestinians are forced to find shelter, however they can. not easy. the cadillac summer collection is here. ♪ ♪ during the cadillac summer's best event, lease this 2014 ats for around $299 a month and make this the summer of style. ♪ so i get invited to quite a few family gatherings. heck, i saved judith here a fortune with discounts like safe driver, multi-car, paperless. you make a mighty fine missus, m'lady. i'm not saying mark's thrifty. let's just say,
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palestinians scrambling to get out of harm's way. >> scrambling. there seems to be like a new word for what they're trying to avoid. our karl penhaul has been watching the exodus and talked with civilians who are terrified. [ yelling in foreign language ] >> reporter: fleeing for their lives. few belongings. just the clothes on their backs. as they go, israeli bombs blast their neighborhood. this man says he had to abandon his own mother. >> she lived here. >> reporter: since first light thousands of people have been streaming down el mukhdar street. this is one of the roads that the israelis in a pamphlet drop told civilians they could transit safely along without fear of being bombed. but as they walk we're hearing
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explosions all around. israeli tanks, artillery, and planes pounded eastern gaza throughout the night. but hamas militants were fighting back. >> allahu akbar! >> reporter: a human tide just trying to cling to life. on foot. in cars. on donkey carts. any way. just out. "they're just hitting us, hitting, and hitting," he says. and when they leave, where do they come to? well, one of the united nations schools that has been opened to shelter the displaced people. i just talked to a united
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nations official. he has no time to speak on camera, but he said this is a critical situation. overflowing but a safe haven for now at least. at gaza's main hospital no more space for the wounded. no choice except transfer the bleeding and the dying to other clinics. others may still be lying in a combat zone. >> many people are still underground. you see, those people, we couldn't arrive those people and extract them. so surely from those people are dead people, injured people, and those who might die if we didn't something very urgent. >> reporter: for those who didn't make it, a resting place on the blood-soaked floor at the morgue. no need to understand arabic to
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understand this man's pain. he says he saw a missile slam into his brother and mother. no time for a full autopsy. no time except to pronounce time of death. karl penhaul, cnn, gaza. >> the images of desperate palestinian civilians running for their lives are not lost on israel's prime minister. benjamin netanyahu spoke with our wolf blitzer about the civilian toll take nen gaza and what's required to end this conflict. >> your exit strategy from gaza, what is it? >> sustainable quiet. i mean, we didn't seek this escalation. hamas forced it on us. they started rocketing our cities, steadily increasing the fire. i called for deescalation. they refused. i accepted an egyptian cease-fire proposal, backed up by the arab league and the u.n. they refused. i accepted a humanitarian lull, proposed by the united nations. they refused.
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we'll stop our operations when we can bring back quiet to our people. >> some of your cabinet ministers think the only way to do that is to reoccupy gaza, which you evacuated from and gave it up back in 2005. do you support reoccupying gaza? >> well, i support taking whatever action is necessary to stop this insane situation. just imagine. i mean, imagine what israel is going through. imagine that 75% of the u.s. population is under rocket fire and they have to be in bomb shelters within 60 to 90 seconds. so i'm not just talking about new york. new york, washington, chicago, detroit, san francisco, miami. you name it. that's impossible. you can't live like that. so i think we have to bring back, restore back reasonable sustained quiet and security, and we'll take whatever action is necessary to achieve that. >> but that includes possibly reoccupying gaza?
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because a lot of your military planners are afraid of what they would call a quagmire or a dangerous quagmire. >> nobody wants to go to excessive military lengths. but what is happening here is excessive. they're not only targeting our cities. they're deliberately firing thousands of rockets, they've already fired 2,000 rockets in the last few days on our cities. youcan imagine this. it's not only that. and they wanted to kill as many of our 6 million israelis who are targeted as they could. they haven't succeeded not for lack of trying. it's because we've developed with american help, and i appreciate the help that president obama and the u.s. congress have given us, to develop these iron dome fantastic systems. but some of the missiles perforate and they hit our schools. so we have to stop that. but in addition to the rockets, they've got now terror tunnels that they build in palestinian homes in gaza. they penetrate underground into israeli territory. terrorists pop up there, try to murder civilians, kidnap
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israelis, as they did with gilad shalit. so we're taking action right now to neutralize those tunnels. and we'll continue the action as long as it's necessary. >> you see these painful pictures, though, of these palestinian children and these refugees, thousands of them fleeing their homes. it's a horrendous sight what's going on right now if you look at the images. heart-wrenching. what goes through your mind when you see that? >> i'm very sad. when i see that, i'm very sad. we're sad for every civilian casualty. they're not intended. this is the difference between us. the hamas deliberately targets civilians and deliberately hides behind civilians. they embed their rocketeers, their rocket caches, their other weaponry from which they fire, which they use to fire on us in civilian areas. what choice do we have? we have to protect ourselves. so we try to target the rocketeers. we do. and all civilian casualties are unintended by us, but actually intended by hamas. they want to pile up as many
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civilian dead as they can because somebody said they use -- it's gruesome. they use telegeneralically dead palestinians for their cause. the more the better. >> the argument your critics are making is that you're overreacting right now, overkilling. >> look, i want to say this. there are very few examples of history of countries that have been rocketed on this scale. if you look at our response, it's actually very measured and trying to be as pinpointed as we can. but i think when people say that -- i appreciate the support we've seen from president obama and many world leaders for israel's right to self-defense. but others are saying, yeah, you have the right of self-defense as long as you don't exercise it. what can a country do? what would you do? what would the people of the united states do if your cities were rocketed now, 2,000 rockets falling on american cities? you know, people would say in the united states, as they're telling me, obliterate the people. you don't obliterate them.
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we don't want to -- we don't have any battle with the palestinians in gaza. >> it is brutal there now. >> it's very difficult because hamas is using palestinians as human shields. we develop anti-missile systems to protect -- we use anti-missile systems to protect our civilians. they use their civilians to protect their missiles. that's the difference. so against safe cynical, brutal, heartless enemy we try to minimize civilian casualties. we try to target the military targets. and unfortunately, there are civilian casualties which we regret and we don't seek. they all fall on the responsibility of hamas. >> another factor in this, we haven't confirmed, is a report that perhaps hamas has caught an israeli soldier. no confirmation on that. so perhaps we can learn today if that indeed happened and what that does to this conflict. >> that could be a game changer. the israelis always pay a high price to get their soldiers back.
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they did it with gilad shalit back -- they traded 1,000 palestinians for shalit, who was held for five years by hamas. >> well, we'll continue to follow developments of course. it is a new day there in the middle east. still to come here on "cnn newsroom," a powerful typhoon takes its toll on southern china. >> the damage estimates are coming in. they're pretty daunting. we'll have the early numbers. am. my social circle includes captains of industry, former secretaries of state, oil tycoons, and ambassadors of countries known for their fine cheeses. yes i am rich. that's why i drink the champagne of beers. been all fun and games, here at the harrison household. but one dark, stormy evening...
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a look at the world's weather. >> this is another big story too. >> officials still calculating the economic blow dealt by tie phan rammasun on southern china's guangdong province. >> local officials put losses at more than $2 billion. the powerful storm dropped 400 millimeters of rain on some places. homes damaged or destroyed and large areas of farmland ruined. almost 3,000 people were evacuated. no casualties are reported in guangdong but state media say at least 17 deaths are being blamed on the storm elsewhere in southern china. thavg that of course is on top of the death toll in the philippines, which i think was around 60, ivan? >> yeah. >> and now we've got another typhoon heading to the area? >> deadlier than typhoon rammasun. which was the second. we had nigori which hit japan.
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and now we have a third one. let's show you what's happening. busy. this is not unusual, actually. this is the typhoon season and we really ramped things up in this part of the world this time of year. but there went niguri. also a super typhoon. incredible winds that weakened before it slammed into japan a couple weeks ago. then rammasun. this one curved up and went right through the philippines and into china. and now we have this third one. that's typhoon matmo. and that looks to be bisecting both of these tracks here. it's going down the middle here. and that means taiwan will have to watch this one very closely over the next couple of days. that's all we have. 48 hours before it hits. quick check on rammasun. that's all that's left. just a remnant low at this point with some tropical downpours which they do not need, as you saw some of the flooding there. that will continue for a couple of days. but here is the typhoon. and i must say in just the last six years, this is now beginning to look better organized. it has not been too well
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organized over the past couple of days thankfully, but now it's moving off to the north and west. the winds aloft in the upper areas of the atmosphere relaxing a bit. and that will allow it to continue to organize. it's also moving from warm to even warmer sea surface temperatures, which is what these things feed on as well for intensification. so that is there. the ingredients are there for this to continue to intensify. what we have to do is hone in on the track here. look at taipei, right down the middle. about 48 hours with 185-kilometer per-hour winds. we're talking about a category 3 storm, perhaps category 4 if it continues to intensify. that is matmo. 48 hours for taiwan. most vulnerable would be up to the north and west. a lot of mountains across the east. and yeah, look at this. upstream, down the pike. another one. this is going to be a tropical depression. this one will likely take a more southerly route, and that means the philippines will be in on it here. i think we'll be busy here at
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the weather center. mostly covering the tropics. but in the next hour of "newsroom," we have fires that are unbelievable. out of control in washington. we'll take you there in the united states. >> absolutely. a lot of storms. a lot of fires have actually come together, which is one of the main problems they're still facing there. we'll catch one that next hour. thanks, ivan. brief pause for a little sports. look-see at the british open for you. a six-stroke lead that dwindled to two wasn't enough to dampen rory mcilroy's elation over his victory sunday at the 143rd open championship in britain. >> the 25-year-old from northern ireland struggled in the final round at holy lake, england. he finished at one under par for the day but he managed to maintain his lead over spain's sergio garcia and rickie fowler of the u.s. who tied for second. mcilroy spoke with cnn's shayna donahue about his highs and lows as he pushed on trying to get these big major wins. >> i think every major win is different. you know, congressional was, you know, maybe silencing some of
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the doubters or battling some demons i had in my own head. kiowa was coming off a bit of a slump in form but still having a good year. and sort of -- it was almost not expected but i felt like in '12 the only thing my year needed was to win a major, and i did. and this year in 2014 it's been a difficult 18 months at times since the start of 2013. and obviously winning the claret jug makes all worthwhile. but it's a very special championship, and obviously very honored to have won it. >> did you have a feeling that you could do this this year? >> i did. i felt like my game was in good shape. i had the win earlier in the year at wentworth, and i felt like my game was just coming
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into form. i just needed something to click. luckily, everything sort of clicked this week. >> and mcilroy joins jack nicklaus and tiger woods as the only players to complete three of the sport's four grand slams by the age of 25. i'm john vause. >> and i'm natalie allen. we'll be back with an additional hour of "cnn newsroom" coming up right after this.
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