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more breaking news here in the middle east. the u.s. state department a little while ago issuing a strong warning telling all american citizens this is not a good time to travel to israel, the west bank, certainly not to gaza. this happening as the secretary of state john kerry is now in egypt. he's trying to promote a cease-fire. let's bring in our foreign
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affairs correspondent for the latest on what is going on. what is going on? >> wolf, the u.s. is placing the blame for the violence firmly on hamas but as the conflict continues to escalate, washington is alarmed by the mounting civilian death toll. secretary of state john kerry arrived in cairo today to renew cease-fire talks after the bloodiest day in the clonflicco. today the president stood by israel's right to defend itself but warns the situation is spiraling out of control. >> we have serious concerns about the rising number of palestinian civilian deaths and the loss of israeli lives. and that is why it now has to be our focus and the focus of the international community to bring about a cease-fire that ends the fighting and that can stop the deaths of innocent civilians. >> reporter: on both sides the grim task of burying the dead.
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the violence now entering its third week claimed 20 israeli soldiers' lives in the last 48 hours. more than 500 palestinians dead. most of them innocent civilians. israel says many are used by hamas as human shields. the u.n. in gaza says more than 100,000 palestinians have fled their homes and seeking refuge with them. while doing rounds on sunday talk shows, secretary kerry was caught talking to an aide on an open mike showing frustration with the israeli military operation. >> it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. >> reporter: his public comments slightly more balanced. >> no country, no human being is c comfortable with children being killed and people being killed and we're not comfortable with people being rocketed in israel. >> reporter: israel agreed to a cease-fire proposal if hamas stops fighting but hamas won't agree insisting an end to the
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israeli blockade of gaza. >> they need to accept the offer of a cease-fire and we'll discuss all of the issues relevant to underlying crisis. >> qatar has emerged as a new and key figure in the cease-fire effort. hamas leader lives in the capital where he met this weekend with palestinian president abbas and also met with u.n. secretary-general before ban traveled to cairo this evening to meet with secretary kerry about these urgent talks on a cease-fire, wolf. >> at the beginning of that meeting between moon and secretary kerry, secretary kerry announced the u.s. would provide $50 million in emergency humanitarian assistance in palestinians in gaza. $50 million in u.s. aid right now to the palestinians. thanks very much. i asked the israeli prime
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minister benjamin netanyahu what it would take to reach a new cease-fire and for israel to pull out of gaza. he's keeping his options open. we sat down at the defense ministry in tel aviv. >> your exit strategy from gaza is what? >> hamas forced it on us. they increased the fire. i called for de-escalation. they refused. i accepted an egyptian cease-fire proposal backed up by the arab league and u.n. they refused. i accepted a humanitarian lull proposed by the united nations. th they refused. we'll stop our operations when we can bring back quiet to our people. >> some of your cabinet ministers think the only way to do that is to reoccupy gaza, which you evacuated from and gave it up back in 2005. do you support reoccupying gaza? >> i support taking whatever action is necessary to stop this
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insane situation. just imagine, i mean, imagine what israel is going through. imagine that 75% of the u.s. population is under rocket fire and they have to be in bomb shelters within 60 to 90 seconds so i'm not just talking about new york. new york, washington, chicago, detroit, san francisco, miami, you name it. that's impossible. you can't live like that. so i think we have to bring back, restore reasonable sustained quiet and security and we'll take whatever action is necessary to achieve that. >> that includes possibly reoccupying gaza? a lot of your military planners are afraid of what they would call a quagmire, a dangerous quagmire. >> nobody wants to go to extensive military lengths but a what is happening here is excessive. they are not only targeting our cities, they are deliberately firing thousands of rockets. they fired 2,000 rockets in the
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last two days on our cities. you can imagine this. it's not only that, they want to kill as many of our 6 million israelis who were targeted as they could. they haven't succeeded. not for lack of trying. i appreciate the help that president obama and the u.s. congress have given us to develop these iron dome fantastic systems but some of the missiles perforate and they hit our schools. we have to stop that. in addition to the rockets, they've got terror tunnels that they build in palestinian homes in gaza and penetrate underground into israeli territory and terrorists pop up there to kill civilians so we're staking action to neutralize those tunnels and we'll continue the action as long as necessary. >> you see these painful pictures of palestinian children and refugees, thousands of them fleeing their homes, it's a horrendous sight what's going on if you look at images.
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heart wrenching. what goes through your mind when you see that? >> very sad when i see that. we're sad for every civilian casualty. they're not intended. this is the difference between us. the hamas deliberately targets civilians and deliberately hides behind civilians. they embed their rockets caches and other weaponry which they use to fire on us in civilian areas. what choice do we have? we have to protect ourselves. we try to target the rocketeers. they want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can because somebody said they use -- it's gruesome. they use dead palestinians for their cause. they want the more dead the better. >> prime minister of israel benjamin netanyahu speaking with me. still ahead, a crash site in chaos. could it prevent investigators
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jim, first of all, the russian ambassador to the u.n., what is he saying? >> these are somewhat confusing comments with that caveat when we start. he was asked about the possibilities that pro-russian rebels shot down the plane and were aware of these recordings which seem to show them admitting to it thinking it was a military plane. he says, well, if in fact this was the case, it was not an act of terrorism. he says so if they think they shot down a military jet, this is the russian ambassador to the u.n. speaking, it was confusion. if it was confusion, it was not an act of terrorism signaling perhaps just openness to this being an explanation of why this plane was shot down to this point russian officials denied at every opportunity that pro-russian rebels were responsible. he also said in the same press conference that it's possible that the ukrainians shot this down and questioning some of the pictures put out there showing this russian missile system,
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russian made missile system going from ukraine back across the russian border. he certainly is not giving up on that russian story line, this russian narrative claiming that the ukrainians might still be responsible but it's the first time we've heard from a russian official at least open to the possibility that pro-russian rebels may have been responsible. >> shooting down a military jet versus a civilian jet. they are trying to piece together what happened on the ground. can they really do that given the hostile environment there? >> wolf, if the environment is secure, even if it's the rebels, if somebody there creates a perimeter and a safe place for them to work, they'll concentrate on what they need to do no matter how difficult. in a way right now you at least have good weather at the site. they've done these investigations hostile, weather
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can be hostile, they could be on a mountain top or bottom of an ocean. there are many situations that are very difficult. >> peter, you have been involved in a lot of investigations. we had breaking news this hour the pro-russian separatists had the two black boxes. the flight data recorder. cockpit voice recorder and in a same as phil black skidescribed them handed them over to malaysian authorities. could the black boxes have been tampered with to distort some of the information? >> it's highly unlikely. these boxes -- you can tell whether someone has been in them or not. you can't go in and fool around with the late data and move data points around. these are solid, secure devices. if there was any kind of attempt to alter them, investigators would know immediately. >> do you have confidence, peter, that the malasians have
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the know how to go through the information contained in those black boxes or should they hand them over to an organization that knows what they're doing and have more experience? >> there are only four or five independent safety boards that have capability to download the data. the dangerous part in data recording retrieval is the initial download. if you don't do that right, you could lose data. they should turn it over to the ntsb. they can turn it over to the british, the french or australians. the ntsb is there. it was a u.s. manufactured plane. we should do the . >> let's go back and, i want to really dwell on this new russian statement the russian ambassador to the united nations, he's been there forever, he is a real knowledgeable guy. he knows what he is talking
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about. this is a new fwist in the russian explanation and it could be significant, jim. >> it is. at least it's an opening here. to this point, russian officials have not only denied involvement, denied that pro russian rebels did this but accuse the ukrainians and come up with crazy theorys, including what is widely reported in russian media, that this was an attempt on president putin's life, that his plane was in the area at the same time. that's been the story. but now you have a russian official at least referencing the idea that pro russian rebels shot it down. saying, if it was, it was confusion, his words, not an act of terrorism. in the same press availability with reporters, he also went ton to say it may have been the ukrainians who did it, who he accuses of having this system as well. u.s. officials based on their intelligence determined that the ukrainians did not have any missile system like this in the
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area where u.s. satellites detected this missile launching from. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. thanks to you as well. just ahead, two flights that ended in disaster, one man was supposed to be, on both of those flights. we will meet him, when we come back. . . [announcer] word is getting out.
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tom, tell our viewers what happened. >> amid all the sorrow over this air jet going down, one truly remarkable tale of survival emergeed. a tale of chance, but amazing just the same. >> a plane shot down with 298 people on board. the flight in march disappeared with 239 passengers. and in each instance, one man was missing. dutch cyclist martin dejong was supposed to be on both planes but both times changed his ticket. most recently he was headed to a race in taiwan but wanted to avoid a layover. this is what he posted on his website. how happy i am for myself and my family that i was on this flight and did not take it the last moment. my story is ultimately nothing compared to the misery. attention should be paid to victims and survivors wishing everyone affected by this
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disaster a lot of strength. other similar story appeared. izzy, simm, her husband and child were all supposed to be on the flight over ukraine. >> shaken. i feel physically sick. just thinking about it, i feel i've been given a second clans. >> yet others boarded just as ash you'lcasually unaware of wh would follow. >> our thoughts and prayers continue to be with families around the world. going through just unimaginable grief. >> surprisingly as families wait to recover the bodies of lost ones, that dutch cyclist still plans to board malaysia air for his next flight. saying, despite his two close calls, i got lucky twice. it will go well a third time. >> for all of his luck, that cyclist is not doing interviews saying he wants to keep the focus on those who were lost and
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on their grieving families. wolf? >> and let me just be precise, tom, did you say that he is still actually willing to board a malaysian airlines flight and try a third time, if you will. canceling the first two opportunities? >> yes. no doubt at all. he feels confident he will be just fine. he is moving forward with his plans though a lot of people have trouble wrapping their heads around that. wolf? >> yeah, i'm sure a lot of people after two near misses like that, say, i'll fly another airline just to be on the safe side. tom forman, amazing story. thanks very much for that. remember can you follow us on twitter. tweet me. you can always tweet the show. go ahead, send me a tweet. i'm anxious to hear what you think. please be sure to join us tomorrow. same time, same place. if you can't join us live, dvr the show so you won't miss a
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moment. that's it for me, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from jerusalem. erin burnett "outfront" starts right few. >> next breaking news moments ago pro russian rebels handing over the black boxes from malaysian flight 17. will there be a smoking gun? should commercial passenger planes be equipped with anti-missile technology. two americans killed fighting for israel. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin with breaking news in malaysian air flight 17. rebels standing over black boxes to invst getters in ukraine. could the
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